You couldn't pay me to eat beef or chicken....my health is too important to me. Post osama bin bush....information about our food supply is surfacing.....your diet is making you sick and/or killing you.
Actually you have Ronald Reagen to thank for the loosening of rules on food safety. The almighty dollar was and still is so much more important to corporate owned farms than consumer health.
Yes, I do eat the chicken produced in the plant that I work, and so do hundreds of others that work here and there children. You cannot possibly know what responsible processing plants do to keep the public healthy.
As for the start of this article, it should have been titled "What your local restaurant is doing to harm you!" Campy would not have harmed the young woman if the chicken had been cooked properly in the first place.
You kid yourself if you think only meat products contain bacteria. All vegetables contain bacteria as well. Let's not forget the recent salmonellae contamination cases involving Tomatos and Jalapena peppers this past summer/fall.
You say you worked in a beverage company without quality control. The product produced must have varied greatly in taste for each batch produced. I doubt this! Or this is why you don't work there now, the company must have gone out of business. I believe you must be speaking about Biological Pathogen Laboratory testing. Pathogen tests take from 24 to 96 hours to process. In all but rare instances, the results are negative. In those instances where the results are positive, a second test is ordered using the same sample and more often that not come back negative. By the time test results return, the product produced is likely already on a grocers shelf, or already ingested by the consumer.
Cooking foods to the proper temperature will eliminate the likelyhood that any consumer would become ill.
With regard to arsenic, have you tested your garden soil lately. All plants take in trace elements, arsenic is a trace element in most soil! Beware you Vegans!
The only acceptable and sustainable way to raise chickens and other farm animals is free range. When agriculture becomes localized again, which it will as soon as the oil runs out, the quality of food in America will come up again.
I don't think i have the time left to see our food supply go back to "quality grade". The big corporations have become nothing but money counters,,,safety does not mean a thing amymore, (peanut butter of recent). The more money to be made the better, what a shame !
Just another affirmation that supports my own decision to boycott meat - vegetarian for years and this makes me so glad. I know no eating plan is perfect, but I reduce my risk.
Proper handling and cleanliness prevent you from getting sick when eating meat and poultry too!
I'm an Omnivore and have never gotten sick from food I've prepared. I have gotten sick from a salad at a restaurant. I didn't eat it. I saw a small worm/caterpillar in it and felt sick to my stomach.
National Chicken Council? Are you kidding me? Will they show pictures of thousands upon thousands of chickens slammed into a tin building living in their own @!$%#, eating their food from the crap covered floors, being fed antibiotics so they don't get "sick" and breathing in their own ammonia laced air? They are genetically modified freaks of nature that couldn't live outside the "sanitary" environment they "grow" in.
Next thing you will tell me is I should eat beef because the "National Beef Board" tells me how good it is.
GO organic. Go free range. Get away from the factory farms and shop locally. Meet a REAL farmer.
It is all lies and propoganda.Do your OWN research.
Hey, that being said, eat what you want. It is called "culling" in the farm world.
Let's not forget that they remove the chickens' beaks so they don't peck each other. This story is truly disgusting. I think my family and I are going vegeterian.
I always wash chicken before I cook it, and I test the temperature before serving it. I rinse vegetables and fruits in water with a drop or two of bleach in it (mostly because I've seen what people do to them at the store ---- who knows if that carrot rolled across the floor), and scrub root vegetables well. However, there's only so much we can do, and bacteria are a fact of life. Just use common sense. If we don't want to ingest any bacteria, then the only choice is to stop eating and drinking, period.
bad idea, to wash chicken, good microbiologists know better...tiny droplets of potentially bacteria containing water can splatter all around your sink and on nearby counter surfaces. That is what good cooking will do.. kill all bacteria if present. the meat should go straight into the cooking container.
if you need to remove skin, or pound the chicken, be sure to wipe down and wash everything well.
another important factor is just keeping a strong digestive system...consuming probiotics and avoiding an inflamatory diet - too much sugar, processed grains, etc. our systems should be able to handle the occasional "bad bug"
the chemicals added are a different story..only buy organic raised chickens and eggs. demand local restaurants serve it, if not, cook more meals at home.
You're 100% right, and yes, I immediately disinfect things, including my hands. The French don't wash their chicken, they say it doesn't taste as good, but I prefer to. Organic chicken is the best, but can still harbor bacteria. Oh, and if you (generic you, not you personally) do wash chicken, use cold water.
No, it doesn't. The cooking temperature is what kills the bacteria. Washing will reduce the amount of bacteria; it's the friction that removes most of the undesirable elements, like washing our hands.
I think its rediculous not to wash you meat. You have to wash the blood and remove the blood clots from inside your chicken other wise that chicken and the water you cook it in will be yucky.
Nice article, some of it might even be factual. My wife has been in this industry as a food microbiologist for over 28 years and we both eat chicken, all of it produced at the plant she works for. The testing that is done by her lab covers Salmonella, listeria, and campy as well as anything else that might compromise the finished product. Seriously, do you think a major company wants to put out a dangerous product which could result in their being ruined in the market place? Not likely. Cook your meat, poultry, lamb, pork, or whatever animal you might consume to the proper temp and enjoy a safe meal.
Isn't this exactly whats happening with the peanut butter? They even knew it was bad but yet shipped it out. Food producers are not in business to put out bad products I agree but it does happen.
Here is the NCC's response to the 'supposed truth' put out by SELF magazine:
"The January 2009 issue of SELF Magazine presents a picture of the safety of chicken that would be alarming if it were true. Fortunately it is not. Consumers can continue to enjoy chicken with confidence that it is safe and wholesome when it is handled and prepared in the customary and recommended manner.
The article is written with an obviously alarmist slant. The writer took all the criticisms that are occasionally lodged against chicken and jammed them together in one piece with six sidebars. Let’s try to set the record straight on some of the main errors, omissions, misstatements and exaggerations:
ARSENIC: Some chickens are given animal health products that contain the organic form of arsenic as one of their chemical building blocks. These products are used to control coccidia, which are microscopic parasites that can otherwise colonize the chickens. They are used at extremely low concentrations in the feed, in keeping with label directions and U.S. Food & Drug Administration regulations. A withdrawal period of at least five days before harvest is also required. The U.S. Department of Agriculture operates a sampling program to monitor food animals for arsenic and many other products, and chicken consistently has an excellent record in this program. FDA says the presence of arsenic at very low levels is not harmful to human health.
The article misstates a study that attempted to quantify exposure to arsenic from chicken. The author uses the outside estimate based on an “extreme assumption” as stated in the study – an assumption that is incorrect anyway. The estimate she gives is simply wrong. There is not one iota of evidence that the use of these products in live chickens is any threat to human health. Arsenic-containing compounds in the feed are used in a safe and responsible manner.
SALMONELLA: It must be remembered that chicken is a fresh, natural agricultural product. Chickens are raised on a farm, not stamped out in a factory like microchips. Raw poultry can carry a variety of bacteria, and some of them can potentially cause foodborne illness. Fortunately, the heat of normal cooking (not high heat) will destroy any bacteria that may be on the chicken. A minimum internal temperature of 165 degrees Fahrenheit is recommended for cooked poultry. At that temperature, dark meat will not even be cooked yet – but bacteria will be destroyed. So there is no need to overcook chicken. Just make sure it is cooked through. Since no one eats raw or undercooked chicken, it is difficult to understand why simply cooking chicken is considered an extraordinary precaution. It’s also important to follow common-sense handling practices. These are stated on the label of every package of fresh poultry and meat sold in the United States.
REGULATION, INSPECTION AND TESTING: USDA’s regulatory standard is that no more than twenty percent of chickens being processed in a plant should test positive for Salmonella at any level, no matter how low that level may be. Nationwide, the industry’s average is about ten percent of raw chickens positive for Salmonella, which means that ninety percent have no detectable level of Salmonella at all. For all practical purposes, USDA has moved the performance standard to ten percent, a standard that is by no means easy to reach. But, as noted, normal cooking destroys any bacteria that may be present. To suggest that consumers should print out and carry the results of USDA’s testing program is to carry things to a preposterous extreme.
The article gets facts mixed up. For example, a consumer advocate is quoted as saying there are “6,000 processing plants in the United States,” and in context, the reader might assume this figure applies to chicken processing plants. In fact, there are fewer than two hundred chicken processing plants in the country. All of them operate under inspection by USDA or an equivalent state agency. If you can’t get a simple fact like that straight, why should the reader believe anything else in the article?
CONSUMPTION: The article’s recommended limits on consumption of “conventionally raised” chicken are pure fiction and are based on . . . nothing. The article is billed as an “investigative” piece. The “investigation” seems to have consisted of a collection of negative commentary on the industry, some far-fetched speculation, and misunderstanding of some simple facts. The article is misleading and paints a false picture of an industry that produces safe and wholesome food for consumers in America and around the world."
Does anyone think it is an outrage to feed our main food sources arsenic? A known carcinogenic? How in the hell do these people get away with this stuff? Like we don't have enough chaos to deal with already. Makes you wonder what is really going on here, doesn't it. Intentionally putting arsenic into the food source. Is that like feeding people rat poison (Cumadin) pharmaceuticals to thin the blood? Or maybe its like using aluminum on everything that leeches into your brain. Or putting mercury fillings in your mouth and calling them silver amalgam, then your gums shrink and the mercury leeches out into your body. How about DDT from foreign foods which settles in the thyroid. I could go on and on.......but whats the use. Pay attention people or you will pay with pain and pain is a reminder that you are not paying attention.
WAKE UP AMERICA.We freeked on irradating our food some Idiot thought the proscess turned our food nuclear and we would die. Well guess what I have been drinking and eating Irratated food sence 1979. I didint die and all of you are still getting sick. Suck it up or kill the bactiera rethink irratateing your food it just kills bacteria and gives food a superlong shelf life.
I work at a poultry farm and we harvest/package eggs. Would I eat them? Absolutely, and I do frequently. Make sure that your food is USDA regulated. Our USDA grader has to be on the premises whenever we package eggs and watches very closely. Never got sick from it. Media likes to put fear into people. You can eat chicken and live!
I don't know who to believe anymore... Is there anything safe to eat out there? When you research this kind of stuff, one source contradicts the other. Maybe it is time to start patronizing the small mom and pop shops (ie: local butcher, farmer's market) again to eliminate the risk of being poisoned by eating dinner. Crazy... Way to scare people MSNBC! Like we already don't have enough to fear.
This is yet another example of sensationalism at it's best and downright stupidity at it's worst. I'm far more comfortable eating chicken that I've cooked to proper temperature than I am eating raw vegetables that have seen how many hands from how many fields rinsed with cold water (not a great Bacteria killer) by we don't know whom or in what part of the world. I have a question to ask - If the poultry industry was required to test every piece of chicken or turkey before shipping it (an impossibility), who could afford it but the recipients of Merrill Lynch bonuses? One other thought, if the slaughter plants, did, for example, irradiate (Uh Oh - another dirty word) and kill all the bacteria, what's to prevent it from recontamination by distributing, shipping, retailing, scanning, and even by our own two hands? The answer is a four letter word--- COOK!
I would love to ask the owners and workers at food manufacturing plants and farms,
"Do you eat the food produced by this facility? Do your children eat it?"
I'm so afraid that the answer is no, they don't eat it or won't feed it to their children.
(I worked for a short time at a beverage company. There was no quality control. I know I won't drink any of those products!)
You couldn't pay me to eat beef or chicken....my health is too important to me. Post osama bin bush....information about our food supply is surfacing.....your diet is making you sick and/or killing you.
Actually you have Ronald Reagen to thank for the loosening of rules on food safety. The almighty dollar was and still is so much more important to corporate owned farms than consumer health.
Having been a proponent of organic food and farm practice for over 20 years. I find most people just don't care.
Yes, I do eat the chicken produced in the plant that I work, and so do hundreds of others that work here and there children. You cannot possibly know what responsible processing plants do to keep the public healthy.
As for the start of this article, it should have been titled "What your local restaurant is doing to harm you!" Campy would not have harmed the young woman if the chicken had been cooked properly in the first place.
You kid yourself if you think only meat products contain bacteria. All vegetables contain bacteria as well. Let's not forget the recent salmonellae contamination cases involving Tomatos and Jalapena peppers this past summer/fall.
You say you worked in a beverage company without quality control. The product produced must have varied greatly in taste for each batch produced. I doubt this! Or this is why you don't work there now, the company must have gone out of business. I believe you must be speaking about Biological Pathogen Laboratory testing. Pathogen tests take from 24 to 96 hours to process. In all but rare instances, the results are negative. In those instances where the results are positive, a second test is ordered using the same sample and more often that not come back negative. By the time test results return, the product produced is likely already on a grocers shelf, or already ingested by the consumer.
Cooking foods to the proper temperature will eliminate the likelyhood that any consumer would become ill.
With regard to arsenic, have you tested your garden soil lately. All plants take in trace elements, arsenic is a trace element in most soil! Beware you Vegans!
Sheesh. And I thought it was just China trying to kill us.
Another thing to panic about...not. Stop spreading fear, corporate media!!
It´s not fear, it´s reality. Fear reality. Face it.
The only acceptable and sustainable way to raise chickens and other farm animals is free range. When agriculture becomes localized again, which it will as soon as the oil runs out, the quality of food in America will come up again.
Daniel you are right.
When we have humane practices again instead of this business-based torture system for slaughtering sentient beings will come back around.
RN Lizzie,
Sentient?
I don't think i have the time left to see our food supply go back to "quality grade". The big corporations have become nothing but money counters,,,safety does not mean a thing amymore, (peanut butter of recent). The more money to be made the better, what a shame !
Just another affirmation that supports my own decision to boycott meat - vegetarian for years and this makes me so glad. I know no eating plan is perfect, but I reduce my risk.
What about those pesky tomatoes, spinach and peppers last year? And let's not forget about the peanuts currently and on and on.
Ahhhh, makes me so glad I'm vegan. I wash all my veggies, with soap and water, and have never, never, NEVER gotten sick from eating them.
Glad I'm vegan, too. Never gotten sick from my food. I eat peanut butter every day and I'm fine.
Proper handling and cleanliness prevent you from getting sick when eating meat and poultry too!
I'm an Omnivore and have never gotten sick from food I've prepared. I have gotten sick from a salad at a restaurant. I didn't eat it. I saw a small worm/caterpillar in it and felt sick to my stomach.
This story is ridiculous fear-mongering. For the facts, check out:
This story is ridiculous fear-mongering. For the facts, check out the web site of the National Chicken Council.
I just have to laugh when I hear the term "National Chicken Council."
Dear NCC,
Last night, I saw my chicken **** and then ****. Now, I don't think that's normal, but what should I do?
Signed,
Desparate in Arkansas
National Chicken Council? Are you kidding me? Will they show pictures of thousands upon thousands of chickens slammed into a tin building living in their own @!$%#, eating their food from the crap covered floors, being fed antibiotics so they don't get "sick" and breathing in their own ammonia laced air? They are genetically modified freaks of nature that couldn't live outside the "sanitary" environment they "grow" in.
Next thing you will tell me is I should eat beef because the "National Beef Board" tells me how good it is.
GO organic. Go free range. Get away from the factory farms and shop locally. Meet a REAL farmer.
It is all lies and propoganda.Do your OWN research.
Hey, that being said, eat what you want. It is called "culling" in the farm world.
Richard,,,,i have a seafront home site for sale in Arizona, are you interested?
Let's not forget that they remove the chickens' beaks so they don't peck each other. This story is truly disgusting. I think my family and I are going vegeterian.
Soylent green is people, you have to tell them they need to know, they are breeding us like cattle.
I always wash chicken before I cook it, and I test the temperature before serving it. I rinse vegetables and fruits in water with a drop or two of bleach in it (mostly because I've seen what people do to them at the store ---- who knows if that carrot rolled across the floor), and scrub root vegetables well. However, there's only so much we can do, and bacteria are a fact of life. Just use common sense. If we don't want to ingest any bacteria, then the only choice is to stop eating and drinking, period.
Amen!
Sounds like alarmist vegetarian libs trying to SAVE THE CHICKENS. Say, I'm getting hungry!
Rainman:
Not all vegetarians are liberals, you know. I'm quite the leftist, and I love meat as if it were a gift from God.
Just calls em as I sees em. Percentages you know. Just as all conservatives are not mouth breathing morons Eh?
Are you sure about that comment rainman?
I just wonder what Catydid?
have some peanut butter to tide you over untill the chicken is almost done lol
cflor -
bad idea, to wash chicken, good microbiologists know better...tiny droplets of potentially bacteria containing water can splatter all around your sink and on nearby counter surfaces. That is what good cooking will do.. kill all bacteria if present. the meat should go straight into the cooking container.
if you need to remove skin, or pound the chicken, be sure to wipe down and wash everything well.
another important factor is just keeping a strong digestive system...consuming probiotics and avoiding an inflamatory diet - too much sugar, processed grains, etc. our systems should be able to handle the occasional "bad bug"
the chemicals added are a different story..only buy organic raised chickens and eggs. demand local restaurants serve it, if not, cook more meals at home.
You're 100% right, and yes, I immediately disinfect things, including my hands. The French don't wash their chicken, they say it doesn't taste as good, but I prefer to. Organic chicken is the best, but can still harbor bacteria. Oh, and if you (generic you, not you personally) do wash chicken, use cold water.
It doesn`t hurt to rinse of all the meat and veggies that you are going to cook.I even rinse off my ground beef a little too.
Water doesn't kill anything
No, it doesn't. The cooking temperature is what kills the bacteria. Washing will reduce the amount of bacteria; it's the friction that removes most of the undesirable elements, like washing our hands.
I will risk it, rather then give up real food, ie meat.
I think its rediculous not to wash you meat. You have to wash the blood and remove the blood clots from inside your chicken other wise that chicken and the water you cook it in will be yucky.
Ahh the U.S.A land of fear media. It's all crap.
Nice article, some of it might even be factual. My wife has been in this industry as a food microbiologist for over 28 years and we both eat chicken, all of it produced at the plant she works for. The testing that is done by her lab covers Salmonella, listeria, and campy as well as anything else that might compromise the finished product. Seriously, do you think a major company wants to put out a dangerous product which could result in their being ruined in the market place? Not likely. Cook your meat, poultry, lamb, pork, or whatever animal you might consume to the proper temp and enjoy a safe meal.
Bond
Isn't this exactly whats happening with the peanut butter? They even knew it was bad but yet shipped it out. Food producers are not in business to put out bad products I agree but it does happen.
More terrorism from within. What will they dream up tomorrow?
Is ther ANYTHING we CAN eat anymore?
I can see extreme personalities quit eating chicken because of this article. The same people probably will continue to smoke.
Here is the NCC's response to the 'supposed truth' put out by SELF magazine:
"The January 2009 issue of SELF Magazine presents a picture of the safety of chicken that would be alarming if it were true. Fortunately it is not. Consumers can continue to enjoy chicken with confidence that it is safe and wholesome when it is handled and prepared in the customary and recommended manner.
The article is written with an obviously alarmist slant. The writer took all the criticisms that are occasionally lodged against chicken and jammed them together in one piece with six sidebars. Let’s try to set the record straight on some of the main errors, omissions, misstatements and exaggerations:
ARSENIC: Some chickens are given animal health products that contain the organic form of arsenic as one of their chemical building blocks. These products are used to control coccidia, which are microscopic parasites that can otherwise colonize the chickens. They are used at extremely low concentrations in the feed, in keeping with label directions and U.S. Food & Drug Administration regulations. A withdrawal period of at least five days before harvest is also required. The U.S. Department of Agriculture operates a sampling program to monitor food animals for arsenic and many other products, and chicken consistently has an excellent record in this program. FDA says the presence of arsenic at very low levels is not harmful to human health.
The article misstates a study that attempted to quantify exposure to arsenic from chicken. The author uses the outside estimate based on an “extreme assumption” as stated in the study – an assumption that is incorrect anyway. The estimate she gives is simply wrong.
There is not one iota of evidence that the use of these products in live chickens is any threat to human health. Arsenic-containing compounds in the feed are used in a safe and responsible manner.
SALMONELLA: It must be remembered that chicken is a fresh, natural agricultural product. Chickens are raised on a farm, not stamped out in a factory like microchips. Raw poultry can
carry a variety of bacteria, and some of them can potentially cause foodborne illness. Fortunately, the heat of normal cooking (not high heat) will destroy any bacteria that may be on the chicken. A minimum internal temperature of 165 degrees Fahrenheit is recommended for cooked poultry. At that temperature, dark meat will not even be cooked yet – but bacteria will be destroyed. So there is no need to overcook chicken. Just make sure it is cooked through. Since no one eats raw or undercooked chicken, it is difficult to understand why simply cooking chicken is considered an extraordinary precaution. It’s also important to follow common-sense handling practices. These are stated on the label of every package of fresh poultry and meat sold in the United States.
REGULATION, INSPECTION AND TESTING: USDA’s regulatory standard is that no more than twenty percent of chickens being processed in a plant should test positive for Salmonella at any level, no matter how low that level may be. Nationwide, the industry’s average is about ten percent of raw chickens positive for Salmonella, which means that ninety percent have no detectable level of Salmonella at all. For all practical purposes, USDA has moved the performance standard to ten percent, a standard that is by no means easy to reach. But, as noted, normal cooking destroys any bacteria that may be present. To suggest that consumers should print out and carry the results of USDA’s testing program is to carry things to a preposterous extreme.
The article gets facts mixed up. For example, a consumer advocate is quoted as saying there are “6,000 processing plants in the United States,” and in context, the reader might assume this figure applies to chicken processing plants. In fact, there are fewer than two hundred chicken processing plants in the country. All of them operate under inspection by USDA or an equivalent state agency. If you can’t get a simple fact like that straight, why should the reader believe anything else in the article?
CONSUMPTION: The article’s recommended limits on consumption of “conventionally raised” chicken are pure fiction and are based on . . . nothing. The article is billed as an “investigative” piece. The “investigation” seems to have consisted of a collection of negative commentary on the industry, some far-fetched speculation, and misunderstanding of some simple facts. The article is misleading and paints a false picture of an industry that produces safe and wholesome food for consumers in America and around the world."
Does anyone think it is an outrage to feed our main food sources arsenic? A known carcinogenic? How in the hell do these people get away with this stuff? Like we don't have enough chaos to deal with already. Makes you wonder what is really going on here, doesn't it. Intentionally putting arsenic into the food source. Is that like feeding people rat poison (Cumadin) pharmaceuticals to thin the blood? Or maybe its like using aluminum on everything that leeches into your brain. Or putting mercury fillings in your mouth and calling them silver amalgam, then your gums shrink and the mercury leeches out into your body. How about DDT from foreign foods which settles in the thyroid. I could go on and on.......but whats the use. Pay attention people or you will pay with pain and pain is a reminder that you are not paying attention.
There's another article blocking my view of reading this full article.
WAKE UP AMERICA.We freeked on irradating our food some Idiot thought the proscess turned our food nuclear and we would die. Well guess what I have been drinking and eating Irratated food sence 1979. I didint die and all of you are still getting sick. Suck it up or kill the bactiera rethink irratateing your food it just kills bacteria and gives food a superlong shelf life.
I work at a poultry farm and we harvest/package eggs. Would I eat them? Absolutely, and I do frequently. Make sure that your food is USDA regulated. Our USDA grader has to be on the premises whenever we package eggs and watches very closely. Never got sick from it. Media likes to put fear into people. You can eat chicken and live!
I don't know who to believe anymore... Is there anything safe to eat out there? When you research this kind of stuff, one source contradicts the other. Maybe it is time to start patronizing the small mom and pop shops (ie: local butcher, farmer's market) again to eliminate the risk of being poisoned by eating dinner. Crazy... Way to scare people MSNBC! Like we already don't have enough to fear.
This is yet another example of sensationalism at it's best and downright stupidity at it's worst. I'm far more comfortable eating chicken that I've cooked to proper temperature than I am eating raw vegetables that have seen how many hands from how many fields rinsed with cold water (not a great Bacteria killer) by we don't know whom or in what part of the world. I have a question to ask - If the poultry industry was required to test every piece of chicken or turkey before shipping it (an impossibility), who could afford it but the recipients of Merrill Lynch bonuses? One other thought, if the slaughter plants, did, for example, irradiate (Uh Oh - another dirty word) and kill all the bacteria, what's to prevent it from recontamination by distributing, shipping, retailing, scanning, and even by our own two hands? The answer is a four letter word--- COOK!