Everybody in the pool: Mandating insurance

Like MSNBC will publish anything contrary to the POTUS's plan for us all. I wonder who gets the list of dissenters? What a joke...

Did anyone else think this was a little creepy? And by the way. . .the opening line "as healthcare reform gains steam in the United States." Do these people belong to the same planet as I do???? This debaucle of legislation is not gaining steam but the air is being let out. . .that is why they have to rush everything and not let anyone read the bill!!!! Does the media believe we are total idiots??? I long for the day when the media was government watchdogs instead they are sipping from the progressive kool-aid.

Amen, Chuck!

Q: When can a FREE country make it "mandatory" for someone to pay for health insurance you NEVER voted on?

A: They can't! It must be a Socialist/Fascist/Communist Nation in order for that to be true.

Hey! I'll pay for it in wooden nickles. That ought to be fair, right? Useless money for useless care!

So you say you want a revolution? - The Beatles

Well they better get my cell ready because I'm not going to pay for crap that I don't need so somebody else has it free, they can kiss my azz ...........

the same approach was used in the mandatory mandate for purchasing auto insurance.when i resided in new jersey from 86 to 97 they created the "joint underwriting pool" which was a surcharge on law abiding citizens who played by the rules and carried insurance.

the purpose of assesing a surcharge on all policies written was to pay for the monetary damages inflicted by those who chose to operate a vehicle without insurance.this was a much smaller portion of one's assets so if the same basic form of human nature unfolds then the results should be quite disastrous.

all those pesky unintended consequences keep rearing their ugly little heads........look how well the dispersal of the h1n1 virus is going.and the thought of these self-loving idiots taking over the health care industry just curls my toes.....

yea thats how i feel Richie

I or my family and friends should not be FORCED to by a service from others like health insurance. that car insurance analogy is nonsense even that makes it hard for many to drive and if you have no car you don't need too. I would be eligible for free health care should they pass this but i feel and know with all my heart it wrong to force citizens to do it. there are better ways and if its good folks will be begging to get in .

If you all allow a Government to Dictate to you without you putting them in check they will rule all aspects of your life.

when it was income tax they only did it for the war effort and said it would be stopped, But never did now you have NO right to your paychecks without the government 1st taking what they feel you "owe" them. that goes for gifts interest earned money you are trying to save so as it grows they chop it down with taxes.

Here's the problem with not wanting to pay for "crap" you don't need: someday you will need it and then who will pay your bills? You? Not likely. People that actually use the health care system a lot will never be able to actually pay for their own care. So why should people be able to get insurance only when they need it? Can anyone imagine people opting out of social security and then whining to get back in when they get old and need it? I don't necessarily think the govt should be in the business of health care, considering what a bang up job (sarcasm) it does with medicare but I actually don't have a problem with some type of mandated insurance, depending on the details, which I guess is always where the Devil is..... Somebody's got to pay the bills, whether it's govt or insurance and everybody benefits from "socialism" whether it's your grandma that's on medicare

You can't live on social security anyway. I hope your planning for your retirement. S.S. will probably be broke when I retire, so my money is wasted. I want it back!! I can manage my money and my retirement better than the government can. I can manage my health and health care better than government can. I'm not gonna pay for deadbeats and don't expect anyone to pay for me.

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wait so you have bought the lie that those that use emergency rooms without insurance are your downfall and raise your rates? like immigrants are why you cant find jobs cleaning toilets, being servants, cutting grass, ect ? Scapegoats are awsome. the best political tool to dived and concor. whats the excuse when we are all on the plan and prices are still skyrocketing to use their term? stop looking for the monster in the poeple and acknowledge you monster in big government. as if they don't right off the losses and then are subsidized by tax dollars so please don't tell me the people need to pay for more and if not be forced to do so. go to England if you like that kind of Gov. and yes damn right my grandma can collect if not give me and my family and friends all we have ever pad in with interest. but that's not what they want it control its not for your better or mine.

as for opting out of social security! I would and tried and they said no there is no option they pool our money invest and keep the winnings. or am i wrong ?

f it let me manage me you manage you Enough is Enough

Don't use the word revolution. It will automatically make you a "terror suspect". It's @!$%# like what has been going down the past decade or so that makes me wish I'd never been born.

Mandatory insurance... does this mean hospitals will be able to turn away the 20 million illegal immigrants without insurance?

No you will pay for them with what is left out of your paycheck after this admin is finished

MSNBC the only news media endorsed by Prez Obama.

Not only will you pay for them, they get to go BEFORE you because you are a filthy capitalist pig!

Why not ask Veterans what they think about their government funded health insurance. It might be fine while you're in the service, but when you get out...

BO-HICA!!!

MANDATORY health insurance - without a choice in the matter - is intolerable and unacceptable. I do not intend to play - but it remains to be seen if I can avoid it.

Comparison to mandatory auto insurance isn't a good fit: you can own a car without insurance, you can choose not to use public roads - but drive your car on public roads and you must have it. The mandatory requirement still chafes - I believe insurance is a good idea, but being mandatory is not necessarily a good law - but there are choices that include not getting insurance.

This measure goes too far.

On top of that, there are no guarantees that employer subsidies (whole, or in part) will be continued. The incentives are more conducive (cost effective) to dropping the benefit. Along that same line, the incentive is also in favor of government; they get steady revenue from the "penalty tax", PLUS the increased burden on the People will have a large portion clamoring for relief, aka public option. The next inevitable step, when costs and accountability suffer (regardless of reason) will be to institute a single-payer system.

There is also no guarantee of 100% coverage (80% of reasonable and customary, anyone?), nor that your "necessary" treatment will be covered, or your "new" prescription is covered 100%. Co-pays are not eliminated.

In fact, you will get basic coverage at a higher price, with the option of purchasing greater coverage. Some folk will need to do just that, to get close to what they are getting now.

Passage of this healthcare/insurance "reform" puts us squarely on this path - and at no point does it show solid savings. Nor does it show better coverage. Nor improved efficiencies.

It shows - in effect - nothing significantly different than now, save the redistribution of monies so as to include "everyone" - whether they want it, or not.

If the People allow the government to mandate to individuals in this fashion, they had better get used to doing as they are told.

This is the path that passage will set for us. It will be much easier to avoid this path altogether, than attemt to change farther along.

I have a real problem with the government telling me that I have to buy health insurance. Did I wake up in China or something?

Can somebody pinch me because I must be dreaming.

My Congressman thinks this is A OK and refused to answer my question as to why Congress wants this - in a telephone town hall. My Congressman said - hey - you have to buy car insurance.

I am NOT a car. I DO NOT want to be forced to acquire health insurance. I get it from my job now and if I need a new job, I don't want the expense of health insurance to tie me down, especially since I take care of my health UNLIKE most Americans.

It seems everyone on this thread HATES THIS IDEA.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - write to your Congressman and Senators and tell them NO THANK YOU.

They need to hear from you because they think they have a mandate from the public.

To find your rep:

http://www.house.gov/

to find your senators:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

All right all you Chicken Littles, calm down and smooth your feathers. The sky is not falling anytime soon.

The system can only work if everyone is signed up. What if you find yourself seriously ill, or in need of an operation? Is it fair that you can sign up the day before a doctor's visit to take advantage of the coverage, then drop it when you're cured?

I don't think so.

Try to get private insurance to agree to something like that. Good luck.

There could be a proviso for those who are seriously against signing up for insurance that they are left to their own devices should they require medical care. Do you feel confident enough about your health to risk everything you own on that? Think about it.

Liz, I won't pay in even if you do mandate it. I value my spare time just about as much as I value money, so if it is mandated, I will just cut my work time down to the level where the government (you guys) pays instead of me. I will spend my freed up time doing art (painting) and fishing, and you guys will go to work to pay my medical. I will never pay for this and I cannot be forced to. I think it is time for many of us to take nice long vacations (without retraining other people to do our jobs) and see how the socialist economy does without us pulling our weight.

They have to choose the appropriate candidates in order to sufficiently write the proper fluff piece. It's important in today's world of journalism to make sure you highlight all of the good parts of any legislation coming out of this administration and disregard anything that be viewed as undesirable. If there is nothing good, feel free to make something up. MSNBC has a penchant or a knack if you will, for living up to the modern definition of journalism. If I know MSNBC, they'll be able to conclude definitively that this stipulation won't even affect 105% of the population.

But your operative word is "private". Big Brother is not private.

Big Brother is not private.

Oh its not? So tell us all whats going on in Harry R.'s and Nancy P's. locked room as they hash out how to spin this lemon to the general public? What pork and other shady deals are they making to get votes from the other members of Congress? Who are they going to exempt for their endorsement of this fiasco?

Not Private maybe but definitely secretive and underhanded.....

For a Bill like this that effects 100% of Americans, there should be a Nation Wide Vote for or against this Bill. It should not be left up to these Career Politicians to decide our fate when we know they have never had our best interest in mind for decades!

technically they are not private......

exclusive is a more appropiate term in that americans as a whole are the "excluded" class that constantly get stuck with the bills.......legislative and financial.

Just_Another and maddog...

Yep, I call them the elected-elite. There's another phrase that comes to mind as well...

"us and them"...

The Corporation of the United States of America? It's a private corp just like the Federal reserve.

Elected? That's a good one. More like elected via MOCK elections.

So you say you want a revolution? - The Beatles

Chris Mack - So were you so terribly worried about loss of liberty when Freedom of Speech, Freedom to Assemble, Equal Protection Under The Law, were in peril?  I'm talking about things that are actually in the Constitutiion here, my friend, not some drivel about non-defined rights being violated.  Healthcare for all? Yeah, we need it.  It comes under the heading of General Welfare, also in the Constitution. You should read it some time.

cantakenomore;

No - the operative word is "FORCE". It is immaterial whether the institution you are being forced to contract with is public, or private - if you do not want, you should have the choice, without penalty.

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Aleuicius...

Agreed...

That makes three times in the past year someone agreed.

I'm losing my touch :-D

Looks like everyone that has commented so far is against all this. Those in favor must be taking their time filling out the survey. Hehehe

It wont take them long. Most of them can skip over anything that has to do with a job or personal income since it does not apply....

I have a feeling this will cost a lot of money just to house all the people that will not pay like me, and they better get a lot of cells ready I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one that tells them they can kiss my azz .....People need to take a stand against these out of control people thinking they have a right to our money ....

easy with the exlamation points there dude. maybe a glass ofwater or liedown for a while.

So when you get cancer, or get in a car wreck that puts you in the hospital for years.... I am supposed to pay for your medical bills right? Don't say no, because that is exactly what happens. We pick up the tab. It is nice that you are healthy, but there are other things that can happen.

jp, it will go through the court system. One of the reasons it will not be implimented until 2013.

So basically verno, you're just wanting to make it official. I agree with pooch for the most part on this. I have health insurance and I'm glad that I have health insurance but I really don't think that the government should be forcing the people to buy anything. Also, pooch never said he/she would not pay the hospital bills.

verno

Why are we paying for you? no one said they would not pay their own, I've been paying for all the free loaders for all the years I've worked and Now I'm expected to pay their health care too, hell no you and the government can kiss my azz, I'll pay my own way but not for free loaders which you probably are one of them ...

many folks who have never had a car wreck still have car insurance. does this offer a clue? or am I being too literal?

Hey Verno,

That's just the typical response. Can't you come up with something original?

BTW, it's also a load o' crap.

Live well and thrive, dude!

Richie,

Well said, my man!

Screw the government and this silly horses**t!

tbart -

I agree with having insurance in order to drive a car, I draw the line at forcing people to have insurance in order to live. In my opinion, that is the lamest talking point that the libs have yet to come up with. You might just be too liberal; or am I being to literal?

Simple, those that do not want to work to get an education or work period need the rest of us to pay into the system so they can get free health care.

I wonder if this is a trial balloon put out by the govt through MSM to see if the people are that stupid to just submit this info. Maybe this is of what is to become.

Well, it's obvious from the posts here that conservatives will not participate.

Woops, if the Conservatives do not participate, there will be no money to spend on the rest.....

Just_Another...

I meant participate in this stupid questionaire/comment sponsored by MSNBC. You are right, however, Obamacare will bite us all in the behind!

right after the arm and leg

Hooridian, not Obama's intention, but the people who he serves. He is only a puppet.

Now if everyone would think back in History. Remember one of the most important events that took place that your teacher spent a lot of time on that helped start the American Revolution. It was the Boston Tea Party. This was caused by England wanting to raise revenue by taxing the colonists for one of their staple drinks - "Tea"

Now fast forward to this Administration. You do know they are hell bent on taxing our Carbonated Beverages to help pay for this Health Care Bill? This should be shocking and send the hair on the necks of all Americans standing on end!

Mr. Obama promised that no one in America making less than 250K per year would see one sent in increased taxes for this bill. We should all feel lucky only people making over 250K per year drink sodas!

vote every incumbent out on his a$$ until the morons understand that their jobs depend on their performance......just like the rest of us.

lord gawd girl, read some history...this is so very far from what the Brits were doing in pre-rev america.

Nobody flippin' knows...especially our elected-elite. They don't even read the damn thing before voting...

You have to remember they are voting on an ideology and not a bill that has the specifics you are looking for.

grinspoon 97 what do you think?you think their going to mix the peasants with the aristocrats? you'll get everything alright! right at the bottom of the barrel.you can bet it's going to be crap!of course i won't get anything because i'll be in jail! we're talking about violating your rights!

Just_Another_Sheep

The Bill is specific enough to have costs of $1 trillion. The money is buying health insurance? So, what is covered to cost that much money?

Well - I don't recall dental coverage

or catastrophic illness

cancer

well visits

short-term disability

or anything so specific; just that there must be "coverage" - - but we WILL be able to purchase additional coverage.

We will also get to pay the additional administrative overhead for all this: increased costs to insurance companies will add a little (while they still offer health insurance, anyway), but the numbers of new government employees required to handle regulation and compliance should be impressive - and grow even moreso over the years.

OK, let's turn it around. "They" say there will be a penalty for not getting coverage. There are so many plans - what is the minimum "they" will accept? That might give us an idea of what must be covered.

Just seems so weird everyone is so concerned about getting insurance - They don't care what insurance. Maybe I could start an insurance company charging $100 a year that covers some kinds of hangnails. Fine print applies. Would that meet a persons " social obligation" to get health insurance - and me a few bucks!

What?? They charge MORE for smokers?? OMG how could that be? Or maybe the smokers should just grow up shape up or pay up.

Don;

The "sliding scale" provisions will accomodate those who otherwise cannot afford it, depending: on your actual income and financial status.

All you have to do is provide all sorts of personal and financial data.

Probably medical data, too - to see what insurance(s) you qualify for.

BTW - RE:

maybe the compassionate conservatives will decide that we do not deserve to live and just shoot us.

It is historically the "liberal" factions that promoted such concepts as eugenics and population control - as you find it is today.

Hope for a compassionate liberal.

Don't bother giving them your ideas, they'll just twist and spin it!

The government could have created a law YEARS ago that simply stated:

No Illegal aliens will get free healthcare, and their offspring born in this country will not automatically become american citizens. They will be caught, shipped home and THEIR government will be sent a bill for THEIR citizens illegal activities in our country!

Short, simple and to the point!

Ship them all home. Sounds good. How do we go about this? It will require administrators. It will require transportation. It will require humane treatment for the individuals involved. That will cost moolah, folks. IOW, easier said than done.

They WILL come for you!

They will have to tell us - AFTER their long and expensive - and numerous - legal hassle.

THIS is one of those subjects the SCOTUS should review before it gets enacted. It is far too big and complex an issue to wait. It should go immediately after the POTUS signs it.