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from:msnbc.comTens of thousands of American adults die each year from pneumonia, influenza and other infectious diseases that could be prevented by routine vaccinations, according to a report.
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I had problems posting before so if you get this twice sorry.
My numbers may be off but isn't seasonal flu deaths as follows 93% are over the age of 70 years old and the other 7% are immune-compromised?
I think this is pharmaceuticals trying to make more money. I would like to see the research numbers on this and what kind of adults they are speaking of.
Poor on the vaccine propaganda, msnbc.
As weird as this may sound, it's true, I really really know my own body and feel that a lot of illnesses are brought on my psychological fear. The only immunizations or medicines I've ever taken were required ones for school and such. I don't do prescription meds/pain relievers/flu shots/h1n1/r2d2 or any other nonsense
I knew you'd be here, Robert. Propaganda? Hardly. The facts are right in the article. PEOPLE DIE FROM PREVENTABLE ILLNESSES BECAUSE THEY SKIP VACCINES. You just can't admit that diseases can be prevented by vaccines, can you, Robert? I'm sure these foundations and think tanks are just lying about it, right Robert? Puhleez.
You just refuse to accept fact.
Kills more people in one year than vaccines have ever killed COMBINED THROUGHOUT HISTORY, Robert. And that's just one disease. Preventable illnesses. Sad that these people died because most didn't have access to vaccines. Sadder still that some of these patients could have been saved if only they'd have gotten routine vaccines.
Meningitis kills college students every year. One shot is all it takes to prevent it. Sad to know that your child, Robert, will be ill-prepared (pardon the pun) to handle a new environment full of disease-carrying youths when he/she goes to college. And to think it could've been prevented...with a single shot that daddy forced him/her NOT to get. You like playing God and telling people who lives or dies, Robert?
So Kallie, that means that 0% (i.e. no one) dies from seasonal flu if they're not over 70 or immune-compromised? That doesn't seem right at all. You're saying NOT ONE PERSON who was otherwise healthy or not elderly dies of the flu? Where'd you get this statistic from anyway?
Pretty close to it. And she got those numbers from the CDC charts. You have to do the math yourself. What's the matter, you don't believe her?
I would like to see numbers from deaths of seasonal flu, etc. reporting how many DID have the vaccine related to the cause of death.
The recession is hitting drug companies hard don't let them fool you. They still have greater profits than the rest of us could dream of but they have dropped from astronomical to just obscene.
I laugh when I hear statements like you "need" to take a specific vaccine.
The best defense against all communicable disease is a strong immune system.
Vaccines are not 100% safe that is why there is a federal fund to compensate those who are injured by vaccines.
Sell your snake oil elsewhere big pharma.
The big question? How many can vaccines prevent? Turns out not that many. It's scientific voodoo and fraud.
But the marketing rakes in the millions because grandma and grandpas line up at the clinic.
I challenge ANYONE to show me that vaccine strain influenza causes 36,000 deaths per year. It's a CDC deception designed to sell worthless vaccines with side effects.
Care to support this with facts and figures, Robert? Or is this just your OPINION? Methinks the latter.
I challenge you to show me that vaccines cause this many deaths per year. Tit for tat, Robert. EVERYTHING has side effects, Robert. Some of the side effects of NOT taking a vaccine include illness and death. Same as vaccines. Do you not like to compare things evenly, Robert? It's not as if no one dies from those illnesses that vaccines prevent. The evidence actually shows that more people die from preventable disease than from vaccines. Care to argue that point, or just concede?
Penguin, penguin, penguin,
Can you see the fallacy in your logic? Are you saying that all preventable disease can be prevented with a vaccine? I hope not. So the question is how many?
Why would I pay $200 for a shot that "might" help me not get sick?
Like 40% of Americans I have no health insurance.
Thank you Repubitards!
I can't remember a doctor ever recommending vaccines for tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough. And strangely enough, at 33, I've never had any of them.
Like Chris Rock said, whatever you got, just take the 'Tussin.
You can't remember a recommendation for a vaccine for tetanus? Seriously? Diphtheria and whooping cough (pertussis) are administered at a very young age, so it's more likely that a doctor's never recommended it because he thought you would've had one already. But tetanus -- let's put it this way: You step on a rusty nail. The bacteria enter your body not on the surface of the wound, but deep inside. You're not going to get rid of that bug by washing the wound, some neosporin and a bandaid. That bacterium could cause a host of needless injuries, including lockjaw.
Tetanus is not a person-to-person disease, so you're not going to see an outbreak. But one false move on a fence or nail, and you'll suffer. While the tussin may work for cold and flu, nothing's gonna help with tetanus. It's nasty, and rather than go through all that pain, I'll "suffer" with a shot every now and again. One bout with a preventable illness is all it takes to completely switch viewpoints on that. Anyone with tetanus could tell you take the shot.
All fences and nails can give you tetanus?
I'm 64, make it free and I'll get them.
Fear mongering Rockefellers at it again. Research out of Canad this past summer showed that you are TWICE AS LIKELY to get the swine flu of you get the seasonal flu shot! Furthermore,
Dr. Chris Shaw, a PhD neuroscientist of the University of British Columbia has solid research showing that male mice (reflecting gulf war syndrome populations) injected with proportionately same amounts of aluminum as the flu vaccine developed loss of motor function (ALS like) and many motor neurons in the brain were dead.In the squalene injected group they had memory failure and cognitive deficits. Large levels of neural degeneration. He noted on the vaccine label; No clinical testing for most targeted groups. No testing of vaccine interactions. Presence of tow proteins. Industry animal studies had terrible design and methods-samples were tiny, no control groups, no internal (surgery) analysis at end of experimentation...He was amazed at how sloppy the industry vaccine research has been. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJD69mH7gpU&feature=PlayList&p=6FFB11BDCEB3680E&index=0&playnext=1 also here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBDbUBujes&NR=1
Germany just released its swine mortality number of 86 dead. We (supposedly) had 10,000 dead from swine. We have a population of 308 million, whereas they have a population of 82 to 83 million. Yet ONLY five percent of their population got the vaccination and 60 million(about 20 percent) of us got it!! (hummm...). It would appear that of these two counties, the country with higher vaccination rates had higher percentage of swine flu deaths! What better proof is there that the VACCINATIONS IN THE U.S. DID NOT WORK!
Also, there is a great Town Hall article on how mild this has been compared to other flu seasons. http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelFumento/2010/01/18/swine_flu_epidemic_ends_with_a_whimper?page=full&comments=true
First off, most of those 10,000 dead from swine flu came BEFORE the release of the vaccine, so you cannot use those figures to say it didn't work. You must compare the number of deaths between the two countries AFTER widespread use of the vaccine, which would then compare apples to apples.
After October and November (when the U.S. vaccine was distributed), how many U.S. deaths due to swine flu were there? Exactly...hardly any. Didn't work? No. Worked to virtually eliminate the disease in less than three months? Yes.
If you're going to use statistics, at least make them meaningful...don't lie with them! Those 10,000 deaths were from April to October, BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS EVEN AVAILABLE!
I had the Swine Flu last September. My, elderly, parents moved in to help take care of my 12 year old son, but mostly me. Guess what, NONE of them got sick. Even after very close contact and me breathing and vomiting all over them. NONE of them were vaccinated. I'm convinced that the 'so-called' flu epidemic is being WAY over blown and probably, not as easy to catch as the government wants the public to believe...
It may not have been as easy to catch as anticipated, but would you rather have had a state of overpreparedness or underpreparedness? Also, your parents and son were aware of your illness, and took precautions that a normal person unaware of the situation would not have.
I'd rather be overprepared for a bug like this than underprepared for a superbug any day of the week.
10,000 is NOT a confirmed number its a modeled estimate. I'm still waiting on that timeline. It should vindicate all of your rantings.
What? This is the SAFEST pandemic in the history of the world! You're unbelievable.
My family members took no 'special' precautions. I vomited, a lot, and they had to clean that up for me. I couldn't get out of bed unassisted. Going to the restroom EXHAUSTED me, I need help. My Mother insisted I drink (and I was extremely dehydrated) and had to put the glass/bottle of water/juice to my mouth as I had trouble holding a glass/bottle.
I agree, that being over prepared is better than under, but I'd not give my child, my parents or myself an unproven and possible dangerous vaccine. I'm old enough to remember the Phen/fen episode from the 90's...
Show me your proof that the vaccine killed more than the virus. You can't. You have no evidence. I GAVE YOU THE TIMELINE ALREADY. It's in the "Goodbye Swine Flu" Newsvine post. Stop harassing me here when YOU YOURSELF RESPONDED TO THAT VERY TIMELINE. Another lie from Robert.
I have yet to see you answer me as to the reason why the swine flu all the sudden stopped infecting people, Robert. After multiple requests, nothing. AFRAID TO HANDLE THE TRUTH?
Angela, I understand that there have been scares in the past. But would you rather have been healthy than near death during your experience with swine flu? Wouldn't one simple shot (or spray up the nose) be better than the hassle you went through?
Unproven and possibly dangerous? Not any more than any food or substance we ingest on a daily basis. Vaccine was tested for safety and efficacy before it was even mass-manufactured. It's safe. So far, 41 people have died after taking the swine flu vaccine, and every one of them had previous medical conditions (one died of lung cancer -- how is that vaccine-related?). More than 11,000 according to the CDC have died of swine flu. You do the math to find out which is worse.
I'm sorry for your experience, Angela, but your child almost lost his mother -- isn't that enough to convince you that vaccines are better than the alternative? Or do you or does someone close to you have to die from a preventable illness to make you see the light? All my sympathy is with you for your hardship, but at some point, you have to get over one simple word: FEAR. It'll make you distrust health officials. It'll make you think the new healthcare bill will put you in a "death panel". Isn't a near-death experience enough?
You're still talking but I don't see a time line that will prove your baseless claims. Sorry but that pitiful guess you gave is not a factual timeline. I gave you the specifics that would vindicate you. Why can't you come up with it?Because you'll have to face the fact that you're wrong. That's why. But If you believe the vaccine wiped out the epidemic of H1N1 you should be able to give strong indication with an accurate time line. Just admit that you made a mistake and the vaccine couldn't possibly be the reason.
Timeline?????
Penguin, did you and your family get the swine flu vaccine? Were you really afraid of the swine flu? Did you think you were going to die without the vaccine?
eat right diet exercise get vaccinated
DIE ANYWAY
Vaccines are for spreading the disease, not preventing it. Don't trust anything contained in a vaccine. God knows what it will do over time. Remember thugs are running the show.
...says the person who didn't develop whooping cough, measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, polio, etc. because she was vaccinated as a child.
It's like snotty rich kids in the U.S. complaining and protesting against capitalism, when it's the very thing that's given them all that opportunity in the first place.
He claims to have 2 college degrees and is a pharmaceutical scientist formerly working for Pfizer.
I have my doubts on all of the above. He is not a very good representative of vaccine science or common sense. He has a logic deficiency with a strong sense of pharma propaganda loyalty. The discontinuity in his thinking process makes me doubt he even has a high school degree. Lots of emotion, zero understanding of medical science. An immunology professor he is not.
Tell us how dangerous childhood mumps and measles are, please oh please. Accurate statistics with citations please. Without CDC propaganda quoting.
Then tell us why they are recommending a 3rd vaccine because of vaccine failure.
And you claim to know "everything about medicine and vaccines". Direct quote from you, btw. At least I'm telling the truth. Bachelor's in biochemistry, and an MBA.
You have yet to discredit anything I've said. Just keep throwing your opinions. Nothing factual, though. Pathetic from someone who swears to know "thousands of people" who don't vaccinate. BS.
Never claimed to be. However the person in the article I cited in a different post that IS an immunology professor agrees with my point of view, not yours. So someone who IS knowledgeable about vaccines and medicine says you're wrong. And you can look up her credentials...just read the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumps
Easy. And I really hope you don't think these are shills for the CDC. That's quite a stretch. Look at the "Prognosis" section. Very enlightening. All avoided with A SINGLE SHOT. Easy to do. If you're not fearful of anecdotal myths from fear-mongers like Robert.
Haven't seen this one. Can you give me a citation? The reason's probably in the article somewhere, yet you avoid citing it. Why? Scared of the truth?
Context please. because I know that I've not said such.
I've cited soooo many things for you it's not worth my time. Besides you should already know what I'm talking about.
Quote from prognosis section:
"Death is very unusual. The disease is self-limiting, and general outcome is good, even if other organs are involved."
And if you've read the literature, which you obviously haven't, you'd know that vaccine failure has called for a revaccination strategy and immunity still wanes. So your "a single shot" line doesn't work here.
You should really do your homework before you speak about something you know absolutely nothing about.
This penguin person obviously works for big pharmaceutical
Nope. I work for a company that has no drugs of its own. Nothing in this discussion relates to the work I do. I just am wondering why people treat science like it's fiction, and instead believe people like Jenny McCarthy over people who have worked with diseases and treatments for their entire careers.
If it's one thing you should be afraid of, it's people like Robert, who routinely state their objections and opinions on vaccines, etc. but never cite any evidence. And the articles they do cite are op-ed pieces that raise questions but offer no facts.
Just another endless string of logical fallacies by the penquin, the scientist.
Just because someone doesn't have the same beliefs, fears, and values that you do doesn't mean they treat science like fiction or use Jenny Mccarthy as an authority.
Do you understand what logic is? Do you understand what truth is?
.....hmmmm...sounds like Mr. Penguin15 is quite the apologist for the pharmacult...!!!
Yep, I think so too....Looks like Robert-1126350 is having a good time sparring with this one.
Too bad he can't cite any sources for his "facts". His posts are all manipulated statistics. Look at his bungling of the "vaccines cause autism" debate. He states that these children (he routinely cites Banks & Poling cases) are getting autism from vaccines, yet the court documents from these two cases specifically state that while the vaccines may have resulted in brain damage, they are not, and were not, autistic children.
These kinds of bone-head moves by Robert always make me wonder -- why do people agree with his logic? He can't cite any factual evidence that supports his point of view.
BUT...if you want to be sheep and be on the "big pharma is bad" bandwagon, go for it. Just at least have the facts to back it up. It's heroic to believe in something. It's quite another (bordering on lunacy) to believe it in the face of a mountain of scientific evidence against your point of view. All I ask is that you weigh the facts, and go to an unbiased source to do it. Visiting conspiracy websites will not get you the information you need to make a rational decision.
too bad all one has to do is look at the history of my posts to prove you're wrong. Tsk. Tsk. It's that easy penguin.
Read the history of penguin posts and one can see the lunacy in logic. Although you are in favor of force mass vaccinating everyone, you are a poor representative of that view. There are much better arguments by much better people than you. And I'd have to assume that they'd have to disagree with your logic even though they agree with your view. You logic is absurd and delusional.
The deaths and symptoms probably came from those who follow the propaganda and end up getting vaccinated and can spread the sickness.
How do you expect sheeple to act? They are warned and told someone got sick so they create vaccines/drugs to help Innocent people from getting ill then boom, suddenly more people suddenly come down with or contract the very thing they are being vaccinated/drugged for.
Look at it this way, how do cattle get branded if they do not get herded through the turn stiles or gates or forced to the ground? Cattle will not get branded if they are not herded by the controllers and the sheeple can not get branded/vaccinated/drugged if they are not herded through the hoops.
Talk about being a cash cow.
Sorry, but tens of thousands died before the vaccine was even available. Talk about propaganda, you're spreading it! Maybe you should research the fact that over 10,000 died before the very first vaccine was distributed in this country. The vaccine didn't cause the sickness, it stopped its spread. Get a clue!
Hey waddles, Why don't you enlighten everyone on how Baxter and the WHO sent deadly SWINE flu vaccines for research to 16 different Countries and how the swine flu outbreak of the 1970's was released causing that outbreak?
Oh yeah, vaccines may have HIT THE MARKET after the outbreak last year but it was AFTER the virus was let out. Why do you think Baxter filed for a swine flu patent over a year before the scare.
Not as many people have died or got sick from this man made out break as we were propagandised to believe was going to happen. Is that why they are warning again for the third time? Not enough people believe in quackery?
I guess if a penguin waddles like a duck........
See reply below. You really don't understand science, do you?
Completely different strain in the 1970s, sorry pal. And as to 16 different countries, I would HOPE that the vaccines were sent out to different populations for research! That's how you prove it's effective! You don't just guess and administer mass doses of vaccine out to the general public before testing it out first! I don't get what you're trying to say here.
Wow, so many fallacies here. How to tackle them all:
1. Patent issue: A patent is applied for and issued for any drug (vaccine or otherwise) when it is first created in a lab. This is to avoid copyright / trademark / patent infringement in the future. You don't start selling something and then get a patent for it. You get the patent first so no one steals your ideas (or in this case, vaccine). Whoever patents the idea first gets the rights to it, so a defector from your lab submits a patent for your idea before you do, then it's no longer yours.
2. The research was done at a time when the POTENTIAL for this swine flu outbreak existed only in the minds of the CDC and other health bodies like the WHO. You identify viruses that may be deadly in the future, and people create vaccines. So it's not as if some guy in a lab has a deadly bug and releases it unto the world. The bug was out there, albeit in very small portions of the world population. The CDC said "oh my god, the annual flu vaccine doesn't cover this strain", and orders research to be done. The H1N1 strain existed before a vaccine was ever dreamt of, my friend.
3. To tackle your point about hitting the market after "letting the virus out". What good does it serve to infect people with the virus to sell them the vaccine? They can't get the vaccine after contracting the virus! Swine flu really didn't hit a fever pitch until the summer, LONG after the few manufacturers of the vaccine were in production and getting product out the door. Remember, two kinds of vaccines had to be made (one for the U.S. and one for the rest of the world -- our country wanted the more conservative version of the shot to alleviate the fears of people like you. If you don't believe me, look it up. The U.S. version is different). So it's not as if they "released" the bug to scare up customers. Any infected patients are LOST customers. Your argument is voided then.
You know why? THE VACCINE! The bug just didn't stop infecting people on its own. The vaccine stopped the spread of the virus because fewer people were available for the bug to infect, and it died out to almost negligible levels within 3 months. No microorganism out there just dies out like that without some reason. It's not as if it has a brain and just stopped. Most of the 11,000 dead in this country from swine flu died BEFORE the vaccine was implemented. That tells you that it WAS a panic stage before the vaccine, but because of the vaccine usage, it stopped.
Swine flu died out BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE, not in spite of it. How do you not get that?
GOVERNMENTAL CONSPIRACY?
To become informed about the facts that the CDC, FDA and other governmental leaders know that vaccines are harmful, read http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf and http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/
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SUMMARY
§ Don’t forget that the best prevention for viral illnesses is to maintain normal levels of vitamin D. It blocks the area on the cell membrane where viruses enter.
§ The elimination of polio and smallpox occurred by better sanitation. Most of the people that died in epidemics had been vaccinated against polio or smallpox. Vaccination did not overcome poor sanitation.
§ Taking the measles vaccine increases your risk of getting measles 14 x.
§ Diphtheria was nearly wiped out in Europe before 1940. Once mandatory vaccination was begun, diphtheria once again killed many people.
§ Those that are vaccinated often excrete viruses in their stools for weeks after the vaccination. They are effectively spreading the disease around to all they come in contact with.
§ In general, more people die from the side effects of vaccines than from the illness they are being vaccinated for!
§ Vaccination has been a disaster for everyone except those that profit from making and supplying them (and the governmental authorities that mandate them).