This is pretty horrifying. If a teen needs botox for migraines or a similar reason, well then maybe. But to let an 18 yr. old put such emphasis on her appearance that she feels she needs botox injections is not good. Wouldn't these girls be better off in the long run if they were told that they were beautiful as they are? What happens when the real wrinkles appear?
This is pathetic. Mothers and Fathers, as well as the doctors who do this are plain pathetic. There is no need to get a teen a botox shot for "appearance" sake.
We've all seen what happens when its done wrong (IE: Kate Gosslin). All we need now is to have a news story about a teen and her parents filing a lawsuit because they had a botched botox injection that their daughter shouldn't be having in the first place.
The problem is a woman with a face full of wrinkles actually isn't beautiful anymore. She may have other nice qualities if she cultivated them over the course of her lifetime but beauty fades. It's a sad and cruel fact of life but there it is.
And there should not be lawsuits because botox only lasts 3-6 months tops.
However, teens should not be getting botox because they should not be getting wrinkles at that age. Here's a thought kids...quit drinking alcohol, using pot, meth and lying out in the sun all day without sunscreen.
And making ridiculous faces constantly doesn't help either. I don't have any lines on my forehead at 36 because I don't raise my eyebrows every 5 seconds.
This is great give girls another way to be even more shallow, insecure and rely solely on looks until the ripe age of 30 when they reach their expiration date and then no longer know what they should do with their lives.
I hate to be the first to say this, but even though men do want an attractive woman, they aren't obsessed to the point where a woman with a few lines is going to be unattractive. I think we have to move beyond the assumption that men are enslaving women to this artificial view of beauty and understand that women do it to themselves. It isn't men who demand the uncomfortable underwear, the incredibly painful high heels, and in fact, men's magazines (out of the "adult" magazines) aren't the ones plastering unnatural images of women on their covers and throughout their pages. Men's magazines also don't promote "85 new sex techniques to drive him wild" and "23 new styles that will make your man drool" or "lose 20 pounds in three weeks!!" on their covers. If you were also to read the many many articles on what men want, you'd fine most of us are happy with a girl who looks great in jeans and is comfortable with themselves. Just like what women proclaim they want, men want a confident woman who knows who she is and what she wants, and if anything is alluded to in the physical realm, they tend to want a woman who tries to keep fit and active. (In other words, though they don't want plastic little dolls, they also don't want some fat a$$ slob that sits around the house eating bags of potato chips and "you're beautiful just the way you are" may be fine for the majority of women who try to at least take care of themselves, there's still a noteable percentage of people, both men and women, who use this as an excuse to let EVERYTHING hang out, which nobody wants).
As a man it concerns me because my gender gets a bad rap for something that we, in general, aren't really trying to do, (though I'm sure someone out there has a bad experience with some guy telling her she's ugly and that she needs breast enhancements, etc., but there's always a few bad apples out there).
It is blatently obvious that SOME women. ( like the ones this articles mention mainly) judge themselves and eachother much more harshly then any man ever will.
fellow gentlemen, how many times has your significant other come to you looking great, and you say they look great honestly, only to hear "no i don't i look terrible!!" and gone to try on something else only to repeat the cycle.
what most want is really jsut a woman who cares aboutt the way they look, and makes an effort to look nice, that's all, it's more about personality, if you have the personality of an old boot, i don't care how good you look, you won't have a guy for very long.
no man would ever want a "girlfriend so self conscious taht she gets botox at 16
I know an 11 year old girl who uses an anti-wrinkle cream every night...especially around her eyes because she doesn't want crow's feet. I guess Botox will be in her teenaged future. Sad. So sad.
Botox does work on some migraines. You obviously have been lucky not to have ever experienced one. Please do not speak about things you have no concept of. Migraines are a real disorder and while "stress" can bring one on, it is not the root cause of a migraine. I hope you never have to experience what a real migraine feels like. I have and if my teenager had them as well and Botox would help I would gladly take them to get the shot.
Wow, the beauty industry wins again. one of the many things I don't understand about the female half of the human population is the obsession to look like a manufactured magazine girl.
I agree with Jen. Ask any young man under the age of 21 what female they find most attractive and please believe it will be a celebrity and not the female next door.
Good point, Alex. My comment was based on the assumption that most people mature beyond a teenage view of the world when they reach adulthood. The parents should know better than to encourage such thinking by paying for these procedures, not to mention doctors practicing responsibly
A lot of men have unrealistic view of women and beauty. Women get breast implants for other women? No. How many of you single guys over 50 look only to date women who are 50 or older? Didn't think so.
The most beautiful girl in my high school (which was years ago) had a deep scar across her cheek. Not sure what it was from or why it added to her beauty, but when she got rid of it, she wasn't beautiful to me anymore. Something about her just seemed artificial.
Again, women do it to themselves. If 19 out of 20 men were to tell a woman she was stunning, she'd probably end up obsessing over the 1 that didn't.
It's like how there's always this complaint from the women I know about how all the men they have dated have been a$$holes, and therefore, all men in general are a$$holes, instead of realizing that it's their poor choices that have resulted in the type of men they've been with.
The scar was part of who she was. I thought she was beautiful as she naturally was. Getting rid of it was like denying a part of her face and denying a part of herself (and she was quite popular with other people in school so I highly doubt many people noticed it).
My point in bringing it up is that what one may find to be a disfigurement may be beautiful to someone else. And that by getting rid of it she kind of made more apparent her insecurities. Not to mention it wasn't from some emotionally scarring event if I remember correctly, just a childhood accident.
Some things are in fact made more beautiful because of their flaws, and not "perfection". Sometimes it's just a small thing that denotes them as standing out from a crowd, a beauty in their individuality and singular oneness that makes them shine. In a physical beauty sort of sense, she removed what set her apart, and became common, a pretty face much like tens of others I attended classes with...
Though perhaps it's just me. I can remember most of the women I've been attracted to, and though none of the others may have had such physical "differences" there's always been something about them, at the very least, personality wise, that made them stand apart in a crowd. One because of her kindness, another for the ferocity with which she lived her life, a third for her curiosity about everything she witnessed... whatever it was that set "her" apart was what I loved the most about them...
I agree that "flaws" or imperfections are attractive in the sense that they make us unique and when you love someone, these can be very beautiful. But there is a big difference between getting rid of a scar, or having reconstructive work done after an accident, and altering your appearance to meet some arbitrary standard of beauty that isn't even based in reality.
because the male half of the population is convinced that women really look that way?
Huh? Since women DO NOT dress for men but for other women, how did you ever come up with that conclusion?
Ah but yes we females DO dress to outdo the other women for more attention from the men. Not all females, have that mindset, but that is the general mindset. Women want to look better than the other women to get the attention mainly from guys. Guys do it too, but women just end up more visually conscience due to what we think we have to look like shaped by the entertainment world.
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"because the male half of the population is convinced that women really look that way?"
So women are feeble minded?
Depends on the woman, but no more superficial than men. The entertainment society has kind of dictated how women are supposed to look, but that is also partially dictated by society in return.
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Big boobs gives you status?
Depends on the size. Teens are HIGHLY impressionable and don't really think a personality or brain is as important as the body. Again not all teens, but the general thinking.
I knew a girl that got a boob job because she was rather concave. Girls can be made fun of if they have small breasts they are called mozzie bites, er mosquito bites. That plays on the self esteem. Guys would be just as self conscience if they have small penises, would they not.
I am not against plastic surgery - have had a tummy tuck myself (children - appendix & tubal ligation that cut stomach muscle that no matter how many sit ups I did - was not going to have a flat stomach). It is the extremism of it all - Heidi Montag and teens getting botox for wrinkles that I find outlandish.
Though you won't get a flat stomach from merely just doing crunches and sit-ups. What it does is build up the muscles underneath yes, but you will have the fat layers on top. You would need to do some real cardiovascular exercising and eating right to cut out the stomach fat to then have the flat stomach.
I do not accept teens getting surgery for superficial cosmetic reasons.
kshark - listen to what smallbusiness said. Her previous surgery and children changed the stomach muscle and the way the fat sits on it. I always had a very flat stomach until my c section. I, like you, believed it was my fault I couldn't get rid of it... until I spoke with a doctor who said it was from the surgery. My stomach could look lean if I was extreme, but it would never be like before.
Guess what? I don't think my husband cares (yes to my weight, not the tautness of my stomach). He's just happy that I'm healthy and relatively good looking ;)
Really - can you imagine - pretty soon 30 year old women will be walking around with that frozen look from botox overuse. The 19 year old that is training her forehead not to wrinkle with botax - wanna guess what she will look like after 10 - 15 years of constant botox use. Have they done any studies on this?
just look at the picture of the girl at the head of the article... with that frozen face, she looks far older than 27 years old... some fountain of youth....
I just called about getting it done. Get bad headaches and the first thing to show with the pain is right between the eye brows - hate it cause I look mad all the time.
I had the same thing done because I used to frown constantly. I didn't have the horizontal lines at all but the vertical "11" lines.
If you stick with it for 2 or 3 times the lines will likely disappear completely. The only trick is you have to keep doing it and you can't move your forehead anymore.
Not that I care, I don't see what good comes from moving your forehead around.
If you get botox for the elevens, you have a very good chance of getting bad headaches a week afterward. I don't know about medical use, but I would assume that they inject it differently and at different dosages.
pathetic and sad indictment on the narcissistic generation of kids we are raising. Imagine all the good we could do if we used that $ spend on anti-aging products to help others. at last count it was over $12 BILLION a YEAR.
one of the negative impacts of modern technology - CGI/Photoshop of the human image.
besides, why is so so wrong with aging? its a natural part of life. but we are a culture afraid of death. notice how obituaries stopped using the term "natural causes." no one dies "naturally" anymore, their life is "stopped" by some medical reason as if something went wrong and they were supposed to live forever.
I feel sorry for women that think removing a wrinkle with poison makes them look better. Tracy looks horrible, all the way from the breast enlargement to the injections, she looks like a deformed plastic doll.
Girls, here's a little advice I think most men would agree with-
The best looking girls are the ones with natural beauty and healthy self esteem. I wouldn't go for a girl who thinks she has to pump chemicals into he skin to look good. Too high maintenance.
agreed...some of the shop work done by women does enhance first look appeal...like shinny chrome on a car....but after that it is the natural attributes (not just physical) that make a longer term attraction work.
They (who go to the body shop)...do it for themselves, not for other....imo
I hope she realizes that it only lasts 3 months (not the 6 months that the drug company says) at 300 bucks a pop. $1200 a year for botox on a teen without wrinkles. CRAZY!
For a young girl, is she afraid she looks "older" with the "elevens" or is she trying to look like a photoshopped magazine cover? I don't think natural facial contours take away beauty, but obviously in this culture, anything that whispers "aging" is tantamount to ugliness.
Sad, sad, sad. Society puts so much pressure on females to be "attractive" and "normal" isn't normal anymore. Men can age, but women can't. Shame on us!
Not true. Men can age as long as they have high social status. Is that easy? Depends who you are I guess.
Old women aren't attractive to men just as poor old men aren't attractive to women.
But 90% of women are having sex with 10% of the men over and over again. The average man is for all his bravado not getting any but nobody cares about that.
Even ugly women can get sex with an attractive man but an lower status attractive man can often have to settle for an ugly woman in a pinch.
Yes, of course. Lots of ugly guys getting laid. They're well known or and/or have a ton of money or just super in the peronality department (read popular) but yeah.
And an attractive man can sit at home for years if he doesn't have the right personality or portfolio.
I'm a fairly attractive, itelligent, and funny guy who owns a small house and just barely getting his bills paid. So guess what, no woman even gives me a shot.
not as much as women, but there has been increased pressure on men as well. rogan, dye for facial hair, body waxes for men, male mani's/pedi's, hair products, more and more men's body image magazines, etc.
we've become over obsessed with superficial appearances (us) than what's more important (others). this generation is the most narcissistic - the idea that everyone is a celebrity, thousands of websites that are geared for posting self-gratifying material based on the idea that everyone else is truly interested in what I'm doing every minute of the day. thank God that reality shows are on the downswing...because we all know that's not reality at all...
and when the reality of no one really cares what you did all day long, the fear that something is wrong with me sets in, when in reality that what is normal. close personal relationships are waning and having the most acquaintances is on the rise.
If you want to keep your skin looking young try Retin-A cream over an extended period. It's a prescription Vitamin A cream, not OTC.
Do some research with google and see the results people get.
Closest thing to a fountain of youth there is, it lightly peels your skin and forces stimulates collagen growth. You'll see the results coming in 6 months or so.
But different products work only for different ppl just because it reacts differently to their body or skin type and i'm not saying racially its part of your genes. Two british women could use the same neutrogena soap or cream at the same time with the same amount used, but it could help one of their skin and not the other one just simply because it just works that way(cant do anything about that).
Besides there is a reason there are different products for men and women, something along the lines of it really will work differently on their skin, the mens product (unless states its for gents and ladies)may clear one mans face, do nothing for the other man, but it might cause the womans skin to react with oversensitivity or rash or sumthin.
Dont always use a skin product a friend says works for them because there is a chance it wont work for you.
is this the same cream they use for acne? If so I thought this was dangerous to use if you expose yourself to any sunlight? so you can use this "miracle" cream as long as you are in the dark, which if you are in the drak I dont think the other person can see what your face lines look like. IMO: Everyone needs to get over themselves and just exercise and eat healthy everyday. No wonder our Divorce rate is over 50%!!!!!!!
anuther won - a lot of people exercise and eat a balanced diet and they have lines on their faces as you will notice. If you make faces you will get lines where you make faces as the muscles get stronger and you start to lose collagen. No diet can stop that.
usa is great - yes it is the same. It DOES increase sun sensitivity so you need a good sunscreen. As with anything you have to do your own research and you will find this out. Your derm will tell you this.
And the sun is probably the no. 1 thing that ages you so you shouldn't be laying in the sun if they care about their looks anyway.
That's just if you want to look young, if you don't mind looking like a troll when you're 35 that's your biz.
Don't worry so much about those lines! They're natural, and it happens to every single person on this planet who doesn't die young. Besides worrying makes you old and grouchy before your time. I don't think a few lines make a person look old or ugly. Again, the best way to keep your skin looking young (young, not wrinkle free, mind you) is to eat a balanced, fiber rich diet. Don't forget to stay hydrated.
How is that a medical professional does not know the word "no" when it comest to treating teenagers for cosmetic purposes only?
This article disgusts me--the emphasis on physical appearance is horrifying. Better the money spent on Botox be put toward a college education. And "Godaddy" I can only say that you must not know very many older women, because they are beautiful--but you are apparently too blind to see it.
Some older women are thanks to botox and regular exercise occasionally "still" beautiful but the majority are not in very high demand for relationships by most men so it isn't just me.
I might have sex with a 50 year old woman but that's all it is. I've had a couple relationships with older women who used to be very beautiful and still had a great body but only because they were exceptional in other areas.
Incidentally lots of attractive but shy or poor younger men end up in relationships with older women.
So many older women are in fact passing up their lower status counterparts in favor of younger men who often can't attract girls their own age.
It's hypocritcal to blame "society" when that's just the breaks.
Your ageism prejudice is showing. It will be interesting to see how your attitude changes as you age.
Frankly, you are making judgements about the beauty of a person based on the outside. You have succumbed to society's will rather than making your own thoughtful choice based on people, not appearances. I feel sorry for you and anyone you know.
I find this trend very sad. It means that young women have bought into the deception played out in the magazines and television. Perfect women, perfect looks = perfect lives. Fake is the new natural.
Look mommy The emperor isn't wearing any clothes.. the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. And his face is frozen from Botox... How horrible and terrifying . Botox is a toxin, who knows what the long term consequences of using it are. Hmmn.. she died very young from a rare cancer but she has no wrinkles... not one damn frown line on her face.
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Like it or not we are what we are. Men are attracted to looks and women to status. It is all to do with having healthy young and providing for them. No different from the female robin who picks the male robin with the best song.
That said we have created an unreal look for women and now some teenagers feel the need for botox-I think a self-esteem class would be more appropriate.
That's changing. Woman with status can afford to look for guys who are more attractive. A guy propositioned me the other night on one of those dating/social networking sites (I go on because I'm curious and bored), and was very offended when I told him I wasn't interested. I suppose it broke some norms to tell him that he wasn't my type as he was chubby. He wanted to know what my type was and I said pretty boy, ask a honest question get a direct answer. (Girls are not supposed to be honest). He got very upset that I was as superficial as he was, despite him coming over to my profile because I was a hot chick that he thought he might have a chance with. When women have their own stuff going for them they don't have to settle. He knew he wouldn't have had a chance with a girl who looked like a model (high matenance) and so by messaging someone who was pretty but more normal he thought he was safe, but he wasn't attractive enough to get someone of equal status (or higher) who was more attractive than he was and certainly not for a one night stand.
Normally I am not that bitchy, it's just I was getting tired of all the guys who thought they could have sex if they asked for it. The polite thing to do would have been to ignore the request but I do accept chat invitations as I thought it would be a good networking tool. There are lots of people in my area who are well educated who would be good to know. I am not sure how well the evolutionary arguments are going to survive the coming generations as gender norms are changing somewhat, guys might just have to get used to not being the only game in town with regards to status.
CDB i don't believe in evolutionary (it's a new & non- experimental based) psychology. It has nothing to do with offspring - don't believe those articles based on theory. If we cared so much about offspring, we would not be giving it out for free (sex) and we would not be doing abortions. And ugly rich guys would not be getting cute young uns.
This has everything to do with culture and status. If fat women were the idolized symbol, we'd be putting them on pedestals and they'd get all the guys.
This is a pretty horrifying commentary on our society. Only in America. It's obvious the majority of the "way too young" are NOT doing it because of some extreme and unusual deep lines. I think it's awful even for adults — to be injecting this toxin. It's a societal sickness.
And the results are far worse than wrinkles. Talk about selling snake oil. P.T. Barnum got it right, "there's a sucker born every minute."
Tracy's one of the "suckers." Tracy dear, you already look freakish! How can you look in a mirror and find that startled, frozen, icky look to be attractive? A few lines would do you good. You look well on your way to Joan Rivers.
So do you color your hair? I have no problem with older women doing it... it seems on the same level as hair coloring (there is almost zero risk with cosmetic dosages).
This is really sick.....you have to put things in perspective. Kim Kardashsian is a ZERO. She offers nothing.....she not a singer, actress, Doctor, dentist, lawyer....she doesn't work..... The only thing she has is a big ole butt, which in time is going to hang lower and grow wider.....Maybe use her Botox on that ....Its really sick that teenagers emulate these ZEROs.
Wrinkles are caused by three things: too much sun, smoking, and a calcium/magnesium imbalance. None of them need botox. A Tissue Mineral Analysis (TMA) every 90 days will track your cal/mag levels and keep the wrinkles at bay. I've had a TMA every quarter since 1991 and still have no wrinkles. I was born in 1952. People guess I'm 40 and I'm facing 60. Just watch what you eat!
This is pretty horrifying. If a teen needs botox for migraines or a similar reason, well then maybe. But to let an 18 yr. old put such emphasis on her appearance that she feels she needs botox injections is not good. Wouldn't these girls be better off in the long run if they were told that they were beautiful as they are? What happens when the real wrinkles appear?
This is pathetic. Mothers and Fathers, as well as the doctors who do this are plain pathetic. There is no need to get a teen a botox shot for "appearance" sake.
We've all seen what happens when its done wrong (IE: Kate Gosslin). All we need now is to have a news story about a teen and her parents filing a lawsuit because they had a botched botox injection that their daughter shouldn't be having in the first place.
The problem is a woman with a face full of wrinkles actually isn't beautiful anymore. She may have other nice qualities if she cultivated them over the course of her lifetime but beauty fades. It's a sad and cruel fact of life but there it is.
And there should not be lawsuits because botox only lasts 3-6 months tops.
However, teens should not be getting botox because they should not be getting wrinkles at that age. Here's a thought kids...quit drinking alcohol, using pot, meth and lying out in the sun all day without sunscreen.
And making ridiculous faces constantly doesn't help either. I don't have any lines on my forehead at 36 because I don't raise my eyebrows every 5 seconds.
This is common sense.
This is great give girls another way to be even more shallow, insecure and rely solely on looks until the ripe age of 30 when they reach their expiration date and then no longer know what they should do with their lives.
Good job America.
Show me a study which indicates pot ages skin.
Show me a good looking pot head past the age of 30.
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Good looking pothead over 30
I hate to be the first to say this, but even though men do want an attractive woman, they aren't obsessed to the point where a woman with a few lines is going to be unattractive. I think we have to move beyond the assumption that men are enslaving women to this artificial view of beauty and understand that women do it to themselves. It isn't men who demand the uncomfortable underwear, the incredibly painful high heels, and in fact, men's magazines (out of the "adult" magazines) aren't the ones plastering unnatural images of women on their covers and throughout their pages. Men's magazines also don't promote "85 new sex techniques to drive him wild" and "23 new styles that will make your man drool" or "lose 20 pounds in three weeks!!" on their covers. If you were also to read the many many articles on what men want, you'd fine most of us are happy with a girl who looks great in jeans and is comfortable with themselves. Just like what women proclaim they want, men want a confident woman who knows who she is and what she wants, and if anything is alluded to in the physical realm, they tend to want a woman who tries to keep fit and active. (In other words, though they don't want plastic little dolls, they also don't want some fat a$$ slob that sits around the house eating bags of potato chips and "you're beautiful just the way you are" may be fine for the majority of women who try to at least take care of themselves, there's still a noteable percentage of people, both men and women, who use this as an excuse to let EVERYTHING hang out, which nobody wants).
As a man it concerns me because my gender gets a bad rap for something that we, in general, aren't really trying to do, (though I'm sure someone out there has a bad experience with some guy telling her she's ugly and that she needs breast enhancements, etc., but there's always a few bad apples out there).
This article exhibited the difference between Eugene, OR and New York, NY, that's for sure.
i completely agree with bob,
It is blatently obvious that SOME women. ( like the ones this articles mention mainly) judge themselves and eachother much more harshly then any man ever will.
fellow gentlemen, how many times has your significant other come to you looking great, and you say they look great honestly, only to hear "no i don't i look terrible!!" and gone to try on something else only to repeat the cycle.
what most want is really jsut a woman who cares aboutt the way they look, and makes an effort to look nice, that's all, it's more about personality, if you have the personality of an old boot, i don't care how good you look, you won't have a guy for very long.
no man would ever want a "girlfriend so self conscious taht she gets botox at 16
Because they are naive, ignorant, ridiculous, and have no confidence.
Kshark, I want to add to that: Their parents indulge these behaviors.
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More so than before, yes. *nodding*
I know an 11 year old girl who uses an anti-wrinkle cream every night...especially around her eyes because she doesn't want crow's feet. I guess Botox will be in her teenaged future. Sad. So sad.
Maybe not, maybe her anti-wrinkle cream will work well.
These young girls need to take classes in self respect and self esteem, they obviously have 0 of either!
kim kardashian is not a role model or anything to want to aspire to be.
any doctor that would allow teenagers so use botox should lose his license, it is ridiculous to even think about giving it to them.
botox is not for migraines, if they have a migraine its probably stress caused by their own insecurity.
why is kardashian a celebrity? really.
there are many accomplished females out there.... why her?
Botox does work on some migraines. You obviously have been lucky not to have ever experienced one. Please do not speak about things you have no concept of. Migraines are a real disorder and while "stress" can bring one on, it is not the root cause of a migraine. I hope you never have to experience what a real migraine feels like. I have and if my teenager had them as well and Botox would help I would gladly take them to get the shot.
Wow, the beauty industry wins again. one of the many things I don't understand about the female half of the human population is the obsession to look like a manufactured magazine girl.
because the male half of the population is convinced that women really look that way?
"because the male half of the population is convinced that women really look that way?"
So women are feeble minded?
I agree with Jen. Ask any young man under the age of 21 what female they find most attractive and please believe it will be a celebrity and not the female next door.
Good point, Alex. My comment was based on the assumption that most people mature beyond a teenage view of the world when they reach adulthood. The parents should know better than to encourage such thinking by paying for these procedures, not to mention doctors practicing responsibly
Agreed. I will venture even further to say that my previous comment includes males 25 and younger.
A lot of men have unrealistic view of women and beauty. Women get breast implants for other women? No. How many of you single guys over 50 look only to date women who are 50 or older? Didn't think so.
Yes. I would say that is a reasonable assumption. Most of the women I know who have them did it for status and money.
Big boobs gives you status?
Among the demographic of women (strippers, trophy wives etc.) that tend to get boob jobs, yes.
The most beautiful girl in my high school (which was years ago) had a deep scar across her cheek. Not sure what it was from or why it added to her beauty, but when she got rid of it, she wasn't beautiful to me anymore. Something about her just seemed artificial.
Again, women do it to themselves. If 19 out of 20 men were to tell a woman she was stunning, she'd probably end up obsessing over the 1 that didn't.
It's like how there's always this complaint from the women I know about how all the men they have dated have been a$$holes, and therefore, all men in general are a$$holes, instead of realizing that it's their poor choices that have resulted in the type of men they've been with.
So you thought she was "artificial" because she was able to get rid of a scar that she (most likely) saw as disfiguring?
The scar was part of who she was. I thought she was beautiful as she naturally was. Getting rid of it was like denying a part of her face and denying a part of herself (and she was quite popular with other people in school so I highly doubt many people noticed it).
My point in bringing it up is that what one may find to be a disfigurement may be beautiful to someone else. And that by getting rid of it she kind of made more apparent her insecurities. Not to mention it wasn't from some emotionally scarring event if I remember correctly, just a childhood accident.
Some things are in fact made more beautiful because of their flaws, and not "perfection". Sometimes it's just a small thing that denotes them as standing out from a crowd, a beauty in their individuality and singular oneness that makes them shine. In a physical beauty sort of sense, she removed what set her apart, and became common, a pretty face much like tens of others I attended classes with...
Though perhaps it's just me. I can remember most of the women I've been attracted to, and though none of the others may have had such physical "differences" there's always been something about them, at the very least, personality wise, that made them stand apart in a crowd. One because of her kindness, another for the ferocity with which she lived her life, a third for her curiosity about everything she witnessed... whatever it was that set "her" apart was what I loved the most about them...
I agree that "flaws" or imperfections are attractive in the sense that they make us unique and when you love someone, these can be very beautiful. But there is a big difference between getting rid of a scar, or having reconstructive work done after an accident, and altering your appearance to meet some arbitrary standard of beauty that isn't even based in reality.
Tired_of_Extremists--
Ah but yes we females DO dress to outdo the other women for more attention from the men. Not all females, have that mindset, but that is the general mindset. Women want to look better than the other women to get the attention mainly from guys. Guys do it too, but women just end up more visually conscience due to what we think we have to look like shaped by the entertainment world.
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Mark-423819--
Depends on the woman, but no more superficial than men. The entertainment society has kind of dictated how women are supposed to look, but that is also partially dictated by society in return.
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smallbusinessforMcCain--
Depends on the size. Teens are HIGHLY impressionable and don't really think a personality or brain is as important as the body. Again not all teens, but the general thinking.
I knew a girl that got a boob job because she was rather concave. Girls can be made fun of if they have small breasts they are called mozzie bites, er mosquito bites. That plays on the self esteem. Guys would be just as self conscience if they have small penises, would they not.
I am not against plastic surgery - have had a tummy tuck myself (children - appendix & tubal ligation that cut stomach muscle that no matter how many sit ups I did - was not going to have a flat stomach). It is the extremism of it all - Heidi Montag and teens getting botox for wrinkles that I find outlandish.
smallbusinessforMcCain--
Though you won't get a flat stomach from merely just doing crunches and sit-ups. What it does is build up the muscles underneath yes, but you will have the fat layers on top. You would need to do some real cardiovascular exercising and eating right to cut out the stomach fat to then have the flat stomach.
I do not accept teens getting surgery for superficial cosmetic reasons.
kshark - listen to what smallbusiness said. Her previous surgery and children changed the stomach muscle and the way the fat sits on it. I always had a very flat stomach until my c section. I, like you, believed it was my fault I couldn't get rid of it... until I spoke with a doctor who said it was from the surgery. My stomach could look lean if I was extreme, but it would never be like before.
Guess what? I don't think my husband cares (yes to my weight, not the tautness of my stomach). He's just happy that I'm healthy and relatively good looking ;)
jennyct-1271081--
Perhaps I am wrong, but how I read her post was that she had her surgery after she had kids and what not.
I simply read it differently than you did.
This is crazy! I wonder what the long term damage will be when they are older. I'd rather have a few lines then look like a freak later on in life.
Really - can you imagine - pretty soon 30 year old women will be walking around with that frozen look from botox overuse. The 19 year old that is training her forehead not to wrinkle with botax - wanna guess what she will look like after 10 - 15 years of constant botox use. Have they done any studies on this?
just look at the picture of the girl at the head of the article... with that frozen face, she looks far older than 27 years old... some fountain of youth....
I just called about getting it done. Get bad headaches and the first thing to show with the pain is right between the eye brows - hate it cause I look mad all the time.
I think you'll be happy with it.
I had the same thing done because I used to frown constantly. I didn't have the horizontal lines at all but the vertical "11" lines.
If you stick with it for 2 or 3 times the lines will likely disappear completely. The only trick is you have to keep doing it and you can't move your forehead anymore.
Not that I care, I don't see what good comes from moving your forehead around.
If you get botox for the elevens, you have a very good chance of getting bad headaches a week afterward. I don't know about medical use, but I would assume that they inject it differently and at different dosages.
....and botox was the only thing she had done (or overdone) right?
Why do you think teenagers are worrying about aging already?
Likely a combination of neurosis, boredom and waaaayyyyy over inflated sense of self importance.
pathetic and sad indictment on the narcissistic generation of kids we are raising. Imagine all the good we could do if we used that $ spend on anti-aging products to help others. at last count it was over $12 BILLION a YEAR.
one of the negative impacts of modern technology - CGI/Photoshop of the human image.
besides, why is so so wrong with aging? its a natural part of life. but we are a culture afraid of death. notice how obituaries stopped using the term "natural causes." no one dies "naturally" anymore, their life is "stopped" by some medical reason as if something went wrong and they were supposed to live forever.
I feel sorry for women that think removing a wrinkle with poison makes them look better. Tracy looks horrible, all the way from the breast enlargement to the injections, she looks like a deformed plastic doll.
Girls, here's a little advice I think most men would agree with-
The best looking girls are the ones with natural beauty and healthy self esteem. I wouldn't go for a girl who thinks she has to pump chemicals into he skin to look good. Too high maintenance.
Agreed. Ditch the caked on make-up too.
agreed...some of the shop work done by women does enhance first look appeal...like shinny chrome on a car....but after that it is the natural attributes (not just physical) that make a longer term attraction work.
They (who go to the body shop)...do it for themselves, not for other....imo
I hope she realizes that it only lasts 3 months (not the 6 months that the drug company says) at 300 bucks a pop. $1200 a year for botox on a teen without wrinkles. CRAZY!
For a young girl, is she afraid she looks "older" with the "elevens" or is she trying to look like a photoshopped magazine cover? I don't think natural facial contours take away beauty, but obviously in this culture, anything that whispers "aging" is tantamount to ugliness.
Sad, sad, sad. Society puts so much pressure on females to be "attractive" and "normal" isn't normal anymore. Men can age, but women can't. Shame on us!
Not true. Men can age as long as they have high social status. Is that easy? Depends who you are I guess.
Old women aren't attractive to men just as poor old men aren't attractive to women.
But 90% of women are having sex with 10% of the men over and over again. The average man is for all his bravado not getting any but nobody cares about that.
Even ugly women can get sex with an attractive man but an lower status attractive man can often have to settle for an ugly woman in a pinch.
It balances out, I don't feel sorry for women.
What? you mean an ugly man can have an attractive woman because women care about more than looks?
Yes, of course. Lots of ugly guys getting laid. They're well known or and/or have a ton of money or just super in the peronality department (read popular) but yeah.
And an attractive man can sit at home for years if he doesn't have the right personality or portfolio.
I'm a fairly attractive, itelligent, and funny guy who owns a small house and just barely getting his bills paid. So guess what, no woman even gives me a shot.
Cory, that's my point exactly.
And you'll hear so many complain they can't find a decent guy, that men are pigs and can't see that they are beautiful.
The truth is they do not have what it takes to get Mr. Big but since he will have sex with them they think that is what they deserve.
Meanwhile you have a very different view of things that they probably don't consider.
godaddy72 -- you are clueless, and that is putting it kindly...
we put pressures on ourselves...blaming it on others is convienent. It's not that easy I know, but try standing out rather than fitting in
not as much as women, but there has been increased pressure on men as well. rogan, dye for facial hair, body waxes for men, male mani's/pedi's, hair products, more and more men's body image magazines, etc.
we've become over obsessed with superficial appearances (us) than what's more important (others). this generation is the most narcissistic - the idea that everyone is a celebrity, thousands of websites that are geared for posting self-gratifying material based on the idea that everyone else is truly interested in what I'm doing every minute of the day. thank God that reality shows are on the downswing...because we all know that's not reality at all...
and when the reality of no one really cares what you did all day long, the fear that something is wrong with me sets in, when in reality that what is normal. close personal relationships are waning and having the most acquaintances is on the rise.
I´m sure that if I someday go bald, I'll be depressed cuz that's what they say on the T.V. commercials...
jugdishe - I would think if you had a point to make you could explain it better than that.
It's not just about looks; you have to have a brain.
Funny how women complain men only care about their looks when that's all they have to offer.
Saying "you're clueless" without being able to back it up with a reasoned position doesn't qualify.
If you want to keep your skin looking young try Retin-A cream over an extended period. It's a prescription Vitamin A cream, not OTC.
Do some research with google and see the results people get.
Closest thing to a fountain of youth there is, it lightly peels your skin and forces stimulates collagen growth. You'll see the results coming in 6 months or so.
But different products work only for different ppl just because it reacts differently to their body or skin type and i'm not saying racially its part of your genes. Two british women could use the same neutrogena soap or cream at the same time with the same amount used, but it could help one of their skin and not the other one just simply because it just works that way(cant do anything about that).
Besides there is a reason there are different products for men and women, something along the lines of it really will work differently on their skin, the mens product (unless states its for gents and ladies)may clear one mans face, do nothing for the other man, but it might cause the womans skin to react with oversensitivity or rash or sumthin.
Dont always use a skin product a friend says works for them because there is a chance it wont work for you.
If you really want to keep your skin looking young, eat a balanced diet. Fiber is especially important.
is this the same cream they use for acne? If so I thought this was dangerous to use if you expose yourself to any sunlight? so you can use this "miracle" cream as long as you are in the dark, which if you are in the drak I dont think the other person can see what your face lines look like. IMO: Everyone needs to get over themselves and just exercise and eat healthy everyday. No wonder our Divorce rate is over 50%!!!!!!!
anuther won - a lot of people exercise and eat a balanced diet and they have lines on their faces as you will notice. If you make faces you will get lines where you make faces as the muscles get stronger and you start to lose collagen. No diet can stop that.
usa is great - yes it is the same. It DOES increase sun sensitivity so you need a good sunscreen. As with anything you have to do your own research and you will find this out. Your derm will tell you this.
And the sun is probably the no. 1 thing that ages you so you shouldn't be laying in the sun if they care about their looks anyway.
That's just if you want to look young, if you don't mind looking like a troll when you're 35 that's your biz.
One more thing, and it's very important:
Don't worry so much about those lines! They're natural, and it happens to every single person on this planet who doesn't die young. Besides worrying makes you old and grouchy before your time. I don't think a few lines make a person look old or ugly. Again, the best way to keep your skin looking young (young, not wrinkle free, mind you) is to eat a balanced, fiber rich diet. Don't forget to stay hydrated.
Teens...and adults...should be concerned about so many more important things.
Gorgeous teeth and smile is any teens biggest and most important asset! (physically)
Now, hit the books for your future.
Who decides what it means to be beautiful?
Why is being beautiful so important to so many?
How is that a medical professional does not know the word "no" when it comest to treating teenagers for cosmetic purposes only?
This article disgusts me--the emphasis on physical appearance is horrifying. Better the money spent on Botox be put toward a college education. And "Godaddy" I can only say that you must not know very many older women, because they are beautiful--but you are apparently too blind to see it.
Some older women are thanks to botox and regular exercise occasionally "still" beautiful but the majority are not in very high demand for relationships by most men so it isn't just me.
I might have sex with a 50 year old woman but that's all it is. I've had a couple relationships with older women who used to be very beautiful and still had a great body but only because they were exceptional in other areas.
Incidentally lots of attractive but shy or poor younger men end up in relationships with older women.
So many older women are in fact passing up their lower status counterparts in favor of younger men who often can't attract girls their own age.
It's hypocritcal to blame "society" when that's just the breaks.
You are so full of it, really.
Your ageism prejudice is showing. It will be interesting to see how your attitude changes as you age.
Frankly, you are making judgements about the beauty of a person based on the outside. You have succumbed to society's will rather than making your own thoughtful choice based on people, not appearances. I feel sorry for you and anyone you know.
hmmm...I think Godaddy thinks he is gods gift to women....it will serve you right if you wind up old wrinkly and lonely!
I find this trend very sad. It means that young women have bought into the deception played out in the magazines and television. Perfect women, perfect looks = perfect lives. Fake is the new natural.
Look mommy The emperor isn't wearing any clothes.. the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. And his face is frozen from Botox... How horrible and terrifying . Botox is a toxin, who knows what the long term consequences of using it are. Hmmn.. she died very young from a rare cancer but she has no wrinkles... not one damn frown line on her face.
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Like it or not we are what we are. Men are attracted to looks and women to status. It is all to do with having healthy young and providing for them. No different from the female robin who picks the male robin with the best song.
That said we have created an unreal look for women and now some teenagers feel the need for botox-I think a self-esteem class would be more appropriate.
That's changing. Woman with status can afford to look for guys who are more attractive. A guy propositioned me the other night on one of those dating/social networking sites (I go on because I'm curious and bored), and was very offended when I told him I wasn't interested. I suppose it broke some norms to tell him that he wasn't my type as he was chubby. He wanted to know what my type was and I said pretty boy, ask a honest question get a direct answer. (Girls are not supposed to be honest). He got very upset that I was as superficial as he was, despite him coming over to my profile because I was a hot chick that he thought he might have a chance with. When women have their own stuff going for them they don't have to settle. He knew he wouldn't have had a chance with a girl who looked like a model (high matenance) and so by messaging someone who was pretty but more normal he thought he was safe, but he wasn't attractive enough to get someone of equal status (or higher) who was more attractive than he was and certainly not for a one night stand.
Normally I am not that bitchy, it's just I was getting tired of all the guys who thought they could have sex if they asked for it. The polite thing to do would have been to ignore the request but I do accept chat invitations as I thought it would be a good networking tool. There are lots of people in my area who are well educated who would be good to know. I am not sure how well the evolutionary arguments are going to survive the coming generations as gender norms are changing somewhat, guys might just have to get used to not being the only game in town with regards to status.
CDB i don't believe in evolutionary (it's a new & non- experimental based) psychology. It has nothing to do with offspring - don't believe those articles based on theory. If we cared so much about offspring, we would not be giving it out for free (sex) and we would not be doing abortions. And ugly rich guys would not be getting cute young uns.
This has everything to do with culture and status. If fat women were the idolized symbol, we'd be putting them on pedestals and they'd get all the guys.
Is this a problem mostly for white women?
I would say probably 50% are white ladies and the rest are other races. Why do you ask? Remember Kayne West mom died from botched plastic surgery.
I would imagine it is probably mostly white women because women of other skin tones are smart enough to stay out of the sun.
This is a pretty horrifying commentary on our society. Only in America. It's obvious the majority of the "way too young" are NOT doing it because of some extreme and unusual deep lines. I think it's awful even for adults — to be injecting this toxin. It's a societal sickness.
And the results are far worse than wrinkles. Talk about selling snake oil. P.T. Barnum got it right, "there's a sucker born every minute."
Tracy's one of the "suckers." Tracy dear, you already look freakish! How can you look in a mirror and find that startled, frozen, icky look to be attractive? A few lines would do you good. You look well on your way to Joan Rivers.
So do you color your hair? I have no problem with older women doing it... it seems on the same level as hair coloring (there is almost zero risk with cosmetic dosages).
This is really sick.....you have to put things in perspective. Kim Kardashsian is a ZERO. She offers nothing.....she not a singer, actress, Doctor, dentist, lawyer....she doesn't work..... The only thing she has is a big ole butt, which in time is going to hang lower and grow wider.....Maybe use her Botox on that ....Its really sick that teenagers emulate these ZEROs.
But, like, she's so cool! just look at all the awsome things she duz on tv!
lulz!!!1!
No parent should allow teenagers to have this done, period. This is ridiculous.
Wrinkles are caused by three things: too much sun, smoking, and a calcium/magnesium imbalance. None of them need botox. A Tissue Mineral Analysis (TMA) every 90 days will track your cal/mag levels and keep the wrinkles at bay. I've had a TMA every quarter since 1991 and still have no wrinkles. I was born in 1952. People guess I'm 40 and I'm facing 60. Just watch what you eat!
Smoking and ALCOHOL/DRUGS are the worst culprits of all.