I'm curious as to how well they think their research efforts will hold up in court when people start litigating over 2nd and 3rd degree burns and skin cancer claims. If they KNOW that their product really doesn't work as advertised and they make the research look as though it does work, I can't help but believe that they are very liable for any damages incurred by the public.
As a member of the cosmetic industry, I was dismayed to see the writer pass this off as a beauty product when in actuality it's an oral supplement. Once I got to the description of the supplement materials - "The pill combines lycopene and beta-carotene — the red and orange substances in tomatoes and carrots, respectively" - I began to get a strong impression someone had an ax to grind against this product. Lycopene and beta carotene aren't just "red and orange substances", they're among the strongest of the plant-derived antioxidant group known as carotenoids. Downplaying an ingredient's activity is a common ploy among journalists seeking to sway the reader's opinion against the research being reported. Since there's so many clinical studies available on true topical beauty products, my question is "why pick on this study, and only this study, for your article?" followed by, "who put you up to this? Did it come from a press release put out by one of L'Oreal's many competitors?"
As a member of the science community, I'm appalled at this article even calling this kind of research 'science', albeit 'shaky science'. There is no such thing as 'shaky science'. You are either following the scientific method, or you aren't.
There is NO scientific research showing that ingestion of lycopene and beta-carotene is beneficial in preventing skin cancer due to sun exposure. The lack of rigorous double-blind tests means that no science was being applied here at all. And 'clinical studies' performed by the company's own lab workers (I won't call them scientists) are beyond questionable.
L-Oreal is surely not the only company participating in this kind of sham. But it DOES deserve to be called out on it - as all companies touting similar 'clinically-proven' products based on pseudo-scientific tests do.
yeah that is true, major brands do give out free samples of their popular health products best place to check is http://bit.ly/9UAtgc send it to your friends
Rebecca - is there evidence somewhere that ingested lycopene or beta carotene (or a combination of these) has the ability to reduce the effect of UV rays on skin?
Please cite any references to research that shows a benefit from ingestion of lycopene or beta carotene (or a combination of these) in regards to protecting skin against cancer. I have not been able to find anything, and checked with my PhD bio-organic chemist friend (who has spent more than 35 years in the Consumer Products industry) before posting.
Dear "Physicist-retired", I Likely Doubt That You're What You Claim And That Of Your Friend, Because Lycopene Itself Is VERY Well Know To Reinforce The Skin's Natural Defences When The Person Is In The Sun. What I'm Really Trying To Say Is That Not Only Does Lycopene Fight Free Radicals It Also Combats UV Damage As Well.
Hmmm....I Wonder Why This Article Lacks To Suggest This Nature?
Another Thing I Must Add Is That There Is So Many People Criticizing How This Product Is "Harmful", When It Has Been In The Market For A Few Seasons, Now.
Hypocrisy- That's What It Is People.
Okay Mr(s). So-Called "Physicist-retired" What Else Can I Answer For You?
Sorry About The References; It's A Widely Accepted FACT!
Then it should be very easy for you to supply scientific literature references. Your lack of such references seems to support my position, not yours.
And I don't misrepresent myself. Or my friend, whose PhD thesis from Cornell University was on Mechanisms of Ribonuclease Action (1970). Then 35 years in consumer products, mostly in the area of product safety.
If people are upset about this they need to pressure the FDA and the FTC to pay attention to and required full disclosure about the "research" conducted and truth in advertising. The cosmetic industry runs poorly designed trials, the nutritional supplement/diet industry claims their products are based on research that is not done at all (when there is "scientific" evidence, it's based on peripherally related research not done on their products. The EMEA is starting to crack down, it's about time our agencies beef up their staff and crack down as well
It is a very interesting article, but the claims are a stretch for sure. They did show an increase in the MED at mid study in the treated group of ~20% but by the end of the period, it appears the placebo group and the treated group had the same color of skin end essentially the same MED. They did not compare the placebo and the treated group statistically. Bogus.
Perhaps folks should just stop believing the BS companies put out about their products. Or, perhaps a company like Underwriters Labs should go into business and provide a 'Seal of Approval" for cosmetics. The fee charged would be for the truely scientific investigation. If the claims are true and the product functions as adverstized, they get the seal, if not, no refund. My wife spends about $75 a month for some crap that is supposed to reduce wrinkles around the eye. All I've noticed is the decline in our money. I don't think it does anything but make the skin around her eyes greasy.
My first thoughts were the little girl with the dog pulling her underpants down in the old tanning commercials on the tan products of the time. I believe that has as much "scientific research" behind this as the women who got their "butts, behinds" exposed to see what results happened with a pill.
Get real. This is really one big scam. Anyone who buys this product deserves to be scammed.
I'm curious as to how well they think their research efforts will hold up in court when people start litigating over 2nd and 3rd degree burns and skin cancer claims. If they KNOW that their product really doesn't work as advertised and they make the research look as though it does work, I can't help but believe that they are very liable for any damages incurred by the public.
As a member of the cosmetic industry, I was dismayed to see the writer pass this off as a beauty product when in actuality it's an oral supplement. Once I got to the description of the supplement materials - "The pill combines lycopene and beta-carotene — the red and orange substances in tomatoes and carrots, respectively" - I began to get a strong impression someone had an ax to grind against this product. Lycopene and beta carotene aren't just "red and orange substances", they're among the strongest of the plant-derived antioxidant group known as carotenoids. Downplaying an ingredient's activity is a common ploy among journalists seeking to sway the reader's opinion against the research being reported. Since there's so many clinical studies available on true topical beauty products, my question is "why pick on this study, and only this study, for your article?" followed by, "who put you up to this? Did it come from a press release put out by one of L'Oreal's many competitors?"
As a member of the science community, I'm appalled at this article even calling this kind of research 'science', albeit 'shaky science'. There is no such thing as 'shaky science'. You are either following the scientific method, or you aren't.
There is NO scientific research showing that ingestion of lycopene and beta-carotene is beneficial in preventing skin cancer due to sun exposure. The lack of rigorous double-blind tests means that no science was being applied here at all. And 'clinical studies' performed by the company's own lab workers (I won't call them scientists) are beyond questionable.
L-Oreal is surely not the only company participating in this kind of sham. But it DOES deserve to be called out on it - as all companies touting similar 'clinically-proven' products based on pseudo-scientific tests do.
yeah that is true, major brands do give out free samples of their popular health products best place to check is http://bit.ly/9UAtgc send it to your friends
Rebecca - is there evidence somewhere that ingested lycopene or beta carotene (or a combination of these) has the ability to reduce the effect of UV rays on skin?
No.
Yes, John There Is.
I Work With Many Independent Laboratories.
This Article Seems To Be Very Biased. Want To Know Why....
NBC Usually Has Other Companies That It Praises More *Cough* P&G!
In A Wierd Way Companies Will Lobby Networks. *Cough* P&G!
Kayco,
Please cite any references to research that shows a benefit from ingestion of lycopene or beta carotene (or a combination of these) in regards to protecting skin against cancer. I have not been able to find anything, and checked with my PhD bio-organic chemist friend (who has spent more than 35 years in the Consumer Products industry) before posting.
Dear "Physicist-retired", I Likely Doubt That You're What You Claim And That Of Your Friend, Because Lycopene Itself Is VERY Well Know To Reinforce The Skin's Natural Defences When The Person Is In The Sun. What I'm Really Trying To Say Is That Not Only Does Lycopene Fight Free Radicals It Also Combats UV Damage As Well.
Hmmm....I Wonder Why This Article Lacks To Suggest This Nature?
Another Thing I Must Add Is That There Is So Many People Criticizing How This Product Is "Harmful", When It Has Been In The Market For A Few Seasons, Now.
Hypocrisy- That's What It Is People.
Okay Mr(s). So-Called "Physicist-retired" What Else Can I Answer For You?
Sorry About The References; It's A Widely Accepted FACT!
Then it should be very easy for you to supply scientific literature references. Your lack of such references seems to support my position, not yours.
And I don't misrepresent myself. Or my friend, whose PhD thesis from Cornell University was on Mechanisms of Ribonuclease Action (1970). Then 35 years in consumer products, mostly in the area of product safety.
Oh, That's Cool. You Act So Childish.
Here, Click On Any Of The Articles In This Link (It's From MSNBC, As Well) :
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/?id=29383169&q=lycopene&p=1&st=2&sm=user
There, Are You Happy Now "Physicist-retired"?
If people are upset about this they need to pressure the FDA and the FTC to pay attention to and required full disclosure about the "research" conducted and truth in advertising. The cosmetic industry runs poorly designed trials, the nutritional supplement/diet industry claims their products are based on research that is not done at all (when there is "scientific" evidence, it's based on peripherally related research not done on their products. The EMEA is starting to crack down, it's about time our agencies beef up their staff and crack down as well
It is a very interesting article, but the claims are a stretch for sure. They did show an increase in the MED at mid study in the treated group of ~20% but by the end of the period, it appears the placebo group and the treated group had the same color of skin end essentially the same MED. They did not compare the placebo and the treated group statistically. Bogus.
Perhaps folks should just stop believing the BS companies put out about their products. Or, perhaps a company like Underwriters Labs should go into business and provide a 'Seal of Approval" for cosmetics. The fee charged would be for the truely scientific investigation. If the claims are true and the product functions as adverstized, they get the seal, if not, no refund. My wife spends about $75 a month for some crap that is supposed to reduce wrinkles around the eye. All I've noticed is the decline in our money. I don't think it does anything but make the skin around her eyes greasy.
My first thoughts were the little girl with the dog pulling her underpants down in the old tanning commercials on the tan products of the time. I believe that has as much "scientific research" behind this as the women who got their "butts, behinds" exposed to see what results happened with a pill.
Get real. This is really one big scam. Anyone who buys this product deserves to be scammed.