Chickens are what they eat. They will eat anything when hungry including their own raw meat and their eggs. Obviously the feed they are eating is tainted with bacteria and can easily be transferred by way of the eggs.
Hey feel good smug Vegan: the last time I checked, people have also gotten salmonella from eating leafy greens (among other things). Look up the spinach recall from 2007, moron.
yes...it was a conventional farm (aka factory farm) not an organic farm. Your conventional farms use human waste sludge as fertilizer and do not give a crap (pardon the pun) about anything other than profit, where as organic farming, and family farming is about the true love of what they are doing, growing good REAL food. Organic farming would never use human waste or animal by product to fertilize or feed.
Not only that, cheap product is like shopping at Chinamart, get what you pay for. You buy cheap produce, meat and eggs, what do you expect? Organic is more expensive for a reason, the workers don't have to take a dump in the fields and mistreat the animals because they are paid a decent wage.
I'm not 100% vegan, but I am 100% organic...for a reason. MY HEALTH.
I got a question, why don't vegan's eat eggs. I am dead serious, I really don't know and would like to find out.
Vegans don't eat/use anything that comes from an animal (including by products). That includes meats, eggs, fish, honey, milk, and to more extreme, things like wool, leather, etc.
A vegetarian doesn't eat meat, but can eat by-products (honey, eggs, milk etc.)
Then you have the odd-balls that insist on being special even further:
ovatarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only eggs.
Lactotarian (I believe is the term) = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only dairy.
Pollotarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only poultry.
Pescatarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only fish.
For the last two. . .I'm sorry, but you are an OMNIVORE. The whole idea of being a vegetarian is that you don't eat MEAT, but you can eat the byproducts.
Thank you very much, you have truly enlightened me. I was under the impression that they don't eat eggs because they consider the eggs to be living beings, a chicken in the most early stage of its life. Which had led me to believe that all vegans are pro-life. But now I know better.
Corp Greed at it's best. I worked for an egg processing facility. We had very very strict safegards in place to ensure our products were safe for consumers.
One of the farms in question has a history of safety violations and hiring of undocumented workers. Greed can kill.
The farms in question are NOT the source of the food poising!! It came from out side the farms in question.... and what does hiring wetbacks have to do with salmonella????
Tony- Decoster was originally from Maine , where he got caught mistreating animals, and his workers. A lot of them were migrants, over-staying here. He didn't pay them a lot.
Rugby is pointing out that the guy is a crook, and has cut corners before.
For those people in here who like organic, remember that about 2700 people DIE every year from bacteria and viruses on organic food. And "organic" is a BIG multi-billion $$ business , not just some local farmer selling his beets .
I personally avoid it like the plague- that's what you are buying - a bigger chance of getting sick, at a bigger price.
I have to say that I find the people complaining about big business funny- they'd rather have BIG GOVERNMENT instead. Cradle to the grave dictation from the Dems. Interesting.
Having extensively studied the Bush Fault theorems. The formulas are easy to work. Also they can easily be applied to any president regardless of age or race. However if the president is a democrat then the formula will no longer function with normal applied calculations. Example Bush: Gas prices go up = BAD = his fault, Gas prices go down = GOOD = not this fault. if you notice the ratio of good to bad is what drives the end product for the proper result. Example Obama: Gas prices go up = BAD = Not his fault, Gas prices go down = GOOD = His fault. if you notice the ratio of good to bad is still what drives the end product for the proper result. However the end results are inverted, this is accounted for because of party / media affiliation. Its all very scientific. Political party / media affiliation is not a factor for a republican president. So in this story it can not be Obamas fault because it is something bad. If Bush was still president then the result would be it was indeed his fault, even if it in no way could be. In fact the end result is skewed by the Political Party / media affiliation so greatly even if Bush were to leave the planet and had no contact with anyone for a decade, anything bad will still be his fault. Hope this clears things up!
well I'm sure they will test the pizz out of them before they are released to public..but most of the returned eggs will be used in preperation of other foods after being pastureized of course!!!!
So called organic or free range or what ever the granola crunchers are calling them now, can pass on disease's just as easily, folks buying eggs at the local farmers market are at risk more than they know or refuse to realize, they think since it's organic it's safe!!! good luck with that
What causes salomonella in eggs, is that the greedy owners are taking the manure from the chickens and drying it and taking the dried manure and mixing it with the chickens feed. Do like I do if you can, we have 15 hens and raise our own eggs. Our chickens are not fed any chemicals or medicines. Good fresh eggs.
It's just a matter of time before there's gonna be a HUGE outbreak of some food infection in my America! I'm talking about thousands/hundreds of thousands of serious illnesses, or even deaths.
It may even be in our drinking water. I hope not.
De-regulation is the main culprit for lack of inspections. I just threw out 2 dozen eggs yesterday, and bought another fresh dozen today.
Oh dear the sky is falling and we're all gonna die! If you cook 'em they're OK. The U.S. by and large has the safest food supply in the world. And to do it at reasonable prices means that (gasp!) corporations will be doing it.
They shouldn't be eating bone meal. If they need calcium, they can get it through natural sources. But factory farming doesn't care about the chickens $$$$
Not that many years ago ... small farms used to grow chickens in pens that were placed above the hog pens. Any guesses why? Hogs will eat anything, including the feed dropped from the chickens and chicken droppings commonly referred to as feces (sometimes spelled faeces).
There is a bill in congress waiting to be passed to give the FDA control and much more oversight but guess who is holding up the bill? The Republicans ! So if you get sick by your food, water, air and your medicine you know which party to blame! Bush deregulated everything that offered protection to the American people! Vote Republican, protect big business. Vote Democrat and protect people!
I cannot believe you blame the eggs on Bush and the Republicans!!!!!!!!!
you must not be much of a taxpayer and must be on the Obama free ride express at the working mans' expense via taxes..............something you obviously know nothing about.
This is a FAILURE of the FDA, you mindless mouth breathing liberal. You know, the GOVERNMENT you people depend on and LOVE so much. You stupid fools will go to the ends of the earth to blame Republicans for everything who essentially have been OUT OF POWER since the Pelosicrats took over both chambers of Congress after the 2006 mid-term elections. Yeah that's right, the last two years of the Bush administration were completely ineffective for Republicans. Name me ONE bill drawn up by Democrats that Bush vetoed in his last two years in office. Research facts for a change, liberals.
Oh but don't worry snookums, Republicans are coming for you people this November and take the keys back to the economy that your liberal Democrat ilk has RUN INTO THE DITCH!
You said the magic leftist word ... "control". That is exactly what the left wants, control over everyone's life. And that is exactly why America will eventually reject the whole snotty nosed, know-it-all lot of leftist politicians. If you want a free country, vote out the leftists.
If this is the fault of the govt and lack of regulations and oversight? who writes the legislation? could it be the same lobby group that represents the egg industry? Once again big business dictacting regulation, and when that fails the govt gets the blame
it used to be called, free market, then it changes to free enterprise, now it is called capitalism, and all of the wealthy and big corporations are tring to put Democracy with the term capitalism. give me a break. I am not a sheep being led to slaughter
Oh how out of touch with the times you are my dear! This is all the doing of that Evil George W. Bush. Just ask POTUS Obama and he will tell you. Everything that has gone wrong or will go wrong while Obama is POTUS is all that Evil Bush's fault. So hop on the Obama bandwagon while there is still time and room left. Next bus leaves soon for a state mental institution near you. Don't delay hop of that bus today!
Seriously this is no more the Republicans fault than it is the Democrats. We can regulate business until they are financially bled dry and or have to raise the cost of their products to the point the average person can't afford them (because believe me the will pass on the increased cost of doing business to the consumers) and that will not stop things like this from happening. As long as we have migrant farm workers defecating and urinating in the fields we will have problems with the crops. As long as we have mass producing egg farms where the chickens are kept in filthy small cages this will happen.
To your comment on blaming the republicans Rita. This new oversight that you want to give will only help the big companies. It will kill the Ma and Pa farms. Is this want you want? What we really need is government to do there jobs instead of taking kick backs and turning their heads. No more regulations no more government employees. Obama has hired over 4000,000 new government employees since being in office.
You can't have the fast paced production these places have and not have a problem sooner or later. We are lucky they can trace things back like they do.
We destroyed thousands of cows that maybe carrying mad cow disease.
Stop the $ savings for a few owners of egg producing farms, and destroy all the chickens, NOW, no more justification. These owners have been in trouble before, take them out of my foodchain, stop playing around, destroy the chickens.
Here's a concept...wash your hands after handling eggs and cook them properly, that way you won't get salmonella! Simple to do. I blame the idiots who got sick in the first place. I am sick and tired of all the whiners who want to protect all of the other people when they can't even wash their own hands. Natural selection.
And how do you eat your steak? Anything under well-done, sir, and you are a hypocrite. Do you wash your hands after touching any surface? After all, disease-causing bacteria and viruses are on every surface.
In case you didn't know, you only need to cook steak to medium, or 145 degrees to eliminate the potential for foodborne illness. Steak does not need to be well-done to eliminate bacteria, including salmonella.
AND, guys, in addition to washing your hands, stay away from pet lizards! Those suckers are responsisble for 70-80% of all the salmonella cases in the U.S. It grows on their scales....
Let's face it, it's our fault, so many times we have been warned about this and that, and what do we do??? we don't listen and or even do something about it, we keep buying and buying and buying. It's sad!!!
The committee is inviting Austin "Jack" DeCoster, the owner of Wright County Egg, and Orland Bethel, the owner of Hillandale Farms, to testify. The panel is investigating the recall and has written both farms, asking about company operations, communications with the government and what they knew and when.
Inviting? Wow...remember waaay back when...when the gov't actually had balls? These 2 companies are responsible for one of the largest salmonella outbreaks in recent history and they are being "INVITED" to testify? WTF MAN?! Last time I checked, when you NEED to set the story straight and get the facts YOU DONT INVITE...YOU SUBPOENA! Am I correct in this assumption? Or does big business just get to decide when they wanna participate in making something right?
That's what we get when we feed animals that are supposed to live on bugs and grain meat bi-products. Beef shouldn't be what's for dinner as far as chickens are concerned.
just thought i'd mention that the origin of the salmonella was traceable because scientists did research and that information built on other research that allowed them to identify a salmonella "fingerprint" locating the contamination source and likely stop the illness in it's tracks.
science. the scientific method. scientists. basic research. hard work. preparation. study. math. chemistry. biology. physics. good thing we got someone doing it.
Once again we act surprised that the government did not protect us! They did not protect us on 9/11 - they do not protect our military men and women - they do not protect our food. Republicans and Democrats both are not interested in the people - only their lobbyests and their pocketbooks. Time for a change - actually past time for a change. We thought Obama was the change, but we are now seeing he is the same and doing virtually nothing to help.
Once again we see the have and have not.......they are all a bunch of drunken lawyers f-ing this country up and we continue to re-elect them.....yea I want a change; I want them all to have term limits and don't get to keep that same salary for life. then get a real job and pay into Social Security like the rest of us...get on the same medical plan as the rest of us......and quit spending $ we don't have....someone is going to criticize this and that's fine, I am just getting tired of all this separation, just because they govern the U.S. does not make them all that special, or deserving, or righteous or whatever......The citizens are getting tired of all this continued non-sense
HEY BB1957! Run for office, I will vote for you! In Jr. High School social studies, I seem to recall that originally politicians were exactly why you described! There WERE terms, and they had to return to society and live within the laws they passed and next door to the neighbor that was also affected. The concept of a farmer, teacher or laborer being a small town mayor is also what our government is supposed to be. There were no professional politicians, just lay people serving their neighbors. We are now graduating professional politicians who have never lived within the "commoners" means, and will never have to. "We" is not a concept anymore, "they" have never lived within our limits with our rules, laws, health insurance or retirement. I WANT a working person, with real problems, a sick child, overturned mortgage who fights with the insurance company and banks. No silver spoons or special treatment!
support your local farmer and never buy those kind of mass produced eggs. the carbon footprint to get those eggs to your door is huge and the egg quality is crap. if you eat eggs from those mega-chicken little cages, you are alreday sick in the mind since you have no care for your insides or your local farmers.
Chickens are what they eat. They will eat anything when hungry including their own raw meat and their eggs. Obviously the feed they are eating is tainted with bacteria and can easily be transferred by way of the eggs.
Exactly.
Poor factory farmed chickens. We are getting what we deserve.
Thats right! Payback is a b****! That's why Im vegan
I got a question, why don't vegan's eat eggs. I am dead serious, I really don't know and would like to find out.
Hey feel good smug Vegan: the last time I checked, people have also gotten salmonella from eating leafy greens (among other things). Look up the spinach recall from 2007, moron.
If memory serves, I believe the spinach reall of '07 was linked to fecal matter coming from a nearby pig farm (moron).
yes...it was a conventional farm (aka factory farm) not an organic farm. Your conventional farms use human waste sludge as fertilizer and do not give a crap (pardon the pun) about anything other than profit, where as organic farming, and family farming is about the true love of what they are doing, growing good REAL food. Organic farming would never use human waste or animal by product to fertilize or feed.
Not only that, cheap product is like shopping at Chinamart, get what you pay for. You buy cheap produce, meat and eggs, what do you expect? Organic is more expensive for a reason, the workers don't have to take a dump in the fields and mistreat the animals because they are paid a decent wage.
I'm not 100% vegan, but I am 100% organic...for a reason. MY HEALTH.
Vegans don't eat/use anything that comes from an animal (including by products). That includes meats, eggs, fish, honey, milk, and to more extreme, things like wool, leather, etc.
A vegetarian doesn't eat meat, but can eat by-products (honey, eggs, milk etc.)
Then you have the odd-balls that insist on being special even further:
ovatarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only eggs.
Lactotarian (I believe is the term) = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only dairy.
Pollotarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only poultry.
Pescatarian = you are a vegetarian, but also consume only fish.
For the last two. . .I'm sorry, but you are an OMNIVORE. The whole idea of being a vegetarian is that you don't eat MEAT, but you can eat the byproducts.
Thank you very much, you have truly enlightened me. I was under the impression that they don't eat eggs because they consider the eggs to be living beings, a chicken in the most early stage of its life. Which had led me to believe that all vegans are pro-life. But now I know better.
Sick chickens lay sick eggs. It's just that simple. Feeding salmonella to chickens makes them sick.
Pasteurized eggs are the safest to eat, just cost a few pennies more.
pasteurized is NOT the answer.
Corp Greed at it's best. I worked for an egg processing facility. We had very very strict safegards in place to ensure our products were safe for consumers.
One of the farms in question has a history of safety violations and hiring of undocumented workers. Greed can kill.
The farms in question are NOT the source of the food poising!! It came from out side the farms in question.... and what does hiring wetbacks have to do with salmonella????
Tony- Decoster was originally from Maine , where he got caught mistreating animals, and his workers. A lot of them were migrants, over-staying here. He didn't pay them a lot.
Rugby is pointing out that the guy is a crook, and has cut corners before.
For those people in here who like organic, remember that about 2700 people DIE every year from bacteria and viruses on organic food. And "organic" is a BIG multi-billion $$ business , not just some local farmer selling his beets .
I personally avoid it like the plague- that's what you are buying - a bigger chance of getting sick, at a bigger price.
I have to say that I find the people complaining about big business funny- they'd rather have BIG GOVERNMENT instead. Cradle to the grave dictation from the Dems. Interesting.
I think the problem is that the chickens DON'T get sick - so nobody knows there is salmonella until it reaches the public..
Ok it is time to blame OBAMA, comon Peeparty and retardicans its time to blame the Prez
Having extensively studied the Bush Fault theorems. The formulas are easy to work. Also they can easily be applied to any president regardless of age or race. However if the president is a democrat then the formula will no longer function with normal applied calculations. Example Bush: Gas prices go up = BAD = his fault, Gas prices go down = GOOD = not this fault. if you notice the ratio of good to bad is what drives the end product for the proper result. Example Obama: Gas prices go up = BAD = Not his fault, Gas prices go down = GOOD = His fault. if you notice the ratio of good to bad is still what drives the end product for the proper result. However the end results are inverted, this is accounted for because of party / media affiliation. Its all very scientific. Political party / media affiliation is not a factor for a republican president. So in this story it can not be Obamas fault because it is something bad. If Bush was still president then the result would be it was indeed his fault, even if it in no way could be. In fact the end result is skewed by the Political Party / media affiliation so greatly even if Bush were to leave the planet and had no contact with anyone for a decade, anything bad will still be his fault. Hope this clears things up!
ecto,
you have my vote!
How confident are we that pasturizing the returned, infected eggs will be salmonella free products?
well I'm sure they will test the pizz out of them before they are released to public..but most of the returned eggs will be used in preperation of other foods after being pastureized of course!!!!
Pasturized or not, aren't these eggs getting a little on the OLD side by this point?
We're the most advanced country ever. What do you expect?
So we should throw our eggs out but the farms' eggs will be processed and used. Big Business wins again.
That's what big government wants them to do.
Blame it on Bush - Barry will.
Yummy, love that factory-farmed goodness!
So called organic or free range or what ever the granola crunchers are calling them now, can pass on disease's just as easily, folks buying eggs at the local farmers market are at risk more than they know or refuse to realize, they think since it's organic it's safe!!! good luck with that
What causes salomonella in eggs, is that the greedy owners are taking the manure from the chickens and drying it and taking the dried manure and mixing it with the chickens feed. Do like I do if you can, we have 15 hens and raise our own eggs. Our chickens are not fed any chemicals or medicines. Good fresh eggs.
good fresh eggs that U can still get salmonella from
I like my Salmonella with chopped cucumbers and dried mint.
It's just a matter of time before there's gonna be a HUGE outbreak of some food infection in my America! I'm talking about thousands/hundreds of thousands of serious illnesses, or even deaths.
It may even be in our drinking water. I hope not.
De-regulation is the main culprit for lack of inspections. I just threw out 2 dozen eggs yesterday, and bought another fresh dozen today.
Oh dear the sky is falling and we're all gonna die! If you cook 'em they're OK. The U.S. by and large has the safest food supply in the world. And to do it at reasonable prices means that (gasp!) corporations will be doing it.
"It may even be in our drinking water. I hope not."
Garfield, NJ has aresenic in the water and a cancer-causing chemical that is also higher than what is considered safe.
Bone meal doesn't sound like something chickens should be eating....
It provides calcium.
They shouldn't be eating bone meal. If they need calcium, they can get it through natural sources. But factory farming doesn't care about the chickens $$$$
Buy local.
Not that many years ago ... small farms used to grow chickens in pens that were placed above the hog pens. Any guesses why? Hogs will eat anything, including the feed dropped from the chickens and chicken droppings commonly referred to as feces (sometimes spelled faeces).
There is a bill in congress waiting to be passed to give the FDA control and much more oversight but guess who is holding up the bill? The Republicans ! So if you get sick by your food, water, air and your medicine you know which party to blame! Bush deregulated everything that offered protection to the American people! Vote Republican, protect big business. Vote Democrat and protect people!
I cannot believe you blame the eggs on Bush and the Republicans!!!!!!!!!
you must not be much of a taxpayer and must be on the Obama free ride express at the working mans' expense via taxes..............something you obviously know nothing about.
Pathetic free loading people!!!!!
This is a FAILURE of the FDA, you mindless mouth breathing liberal. You know, the GOVERNMENT you people depend on and LOVE so much. You stupid fools will go to the ends of the earth to blame Republicans for everything who essentially have been OUT OF POWER since the Pelosicrats took over both chambers of Congress after the 2006 mid-term elections. Yeah that's right, the last two years of the Bush administration were completely ineffective for Republicans. Name me ONE bill drawn up by Democrats that Bush vetoed in his last two years in office. Research facts for a change, liberals.
Oh but don't worry snookums, Republicans are coming for you people this November and take the keys back to the economy that your liberal Democrat ilk has RUN INTO THE DITCH!
Rita
You said the magic leftist word ... "control". That is exactly what the left wants, control over everyone's life. And that is exactly why America will eventually reject the whole snotty nosed, know-it-all lot of leftist politicians. If you want a free country, vote out the leftists.
If this is the fault of the govt and lack of regulations and oversight? who writes the legislation? could it be the same lobby group that represents the egg industry? Once again big business dictacting regulation, and when that fails the govt gets the blame
it used to be called, free market, then it changes to free enterprise, now it is called capitalism, and all of the wealthy and big corporations are tring to put Democracy with the term capitalism. give me a break. I am not a sheep being led to slaughter
check out slick Willy and Tyson chicken business , see who were in bed together
Rita, get a life. Is your head stuck that far up your anus?
Rita McCarthy-879131,
Oh how out of touch with the times you are my dear! This is all the doing of that Evil George W. Bush. Just ask POTUS Obama and he will tell you. Everything that has gone wrong or will go wrong while Obama is POTUS is all that Evil Bush's fault. So hop on the Obama bandwagon while there is still time and room left. Next bus leaves soon for a state mental institution near you. Don't delay hop of that bus today!
Seriously this is no more the Republicans fault than it is the Democrats. We can regulate business until they are financially bled dry and or have to raise the cost of their products to the point the average person can't afford them (because believe me the will pass on the increased cost of doing business to the consumers) and that will not stop things like this from happening. As long as we have migrant farm workers defecating and urinating in the fields we will have problems with the crops. As long as we have mass producing egg farms where the chickens are kept in filthy small cages this will happen.
To your comment on blaming the republicans Rita. This new oversight that you want to give will only help the big companies. It will kill the Ma and Pa farms. Is this want you want? What we really need is government to do there jobs instead of taking kick backs and turning their heads. No more regulations no more government employees. Obama has hired over 4000,000 new government employees since being in office.
And what kind of Democratic "pork" is attached to this bill Rita? More spending on "pet" projects?
You can't have the fast paced production these places have and not have a problem sooner or later. We are lucky they can trace things back like they do.
We destroyed thousands of cows that maybe carrying mad cow disease.
Stop the $ savings for a few owners of egg producing farms, and destroy all the chickens, NOW, no more justification. These owners have been in trouble before, take them out of my foodchain, stop playing around, destroy the chickens.
Here's a concept...wash your hands after handling eggs and cook them properly, that way you won't get salmonella! Simple to do. I blame the idiots who got sick in the first place. I am sick and tired of all the whiners who want to protect all of the other people when they can't even wash their own hands. Natural selection.
And how do you eat your steak? Anything under well-done, sir, and you are a hypocrite. Do you wash your hands after touching any surface? After all, disease-causing bacteria and viruses are on every surface.
In case you didn't know, you only need to cook steak to medium, or 145 degrees to eliminate the potential for foodborne illness. Steak does not need to be well-done to eliminate bacteria, including salmonella.
AND, guys, in addition to washing your hands, stay away from pet lizards! Those suckers are responsisble for 70-80% of all the salmonella cases in the U.S. It grows on their scales....
BLAH!
Let's face it, it's our fault, so many times we have been warned about this and that, and what do we do??? we don't listen and or even do something about it, we keep buying and buying and buying. It's sad!!!
Inviting? Wow...remember waaay back when...when the gov't actually had balls? These 2 companies are responsible for one of the largest salmonella outbreaks in recent history and they are being "INVITED" to testify? WTF MAN?! Last time I checked, when you NEED to set the story straight and get the facts YOU DONT INVITE...YOU SUBPOENA! Am I correct in this assumption? Or does big business just get to decide when they wanna participate in making something right?
looks like our balls have been sold to politically correctness.. what a bunch of sissylalas!
That's what we get when we feed animals that are supposed to live on bugs and grain meat bi-products. Beef shouldn't be what's for dinner as far as chickens are concerned.
there goes that saying..."one rotten egg makes every single one bad."
stop feeding the chickens with salmonella!!!
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
just thought i'd mention that the origin of the salmonella was traceable because scientists did research and that information built on other research that allowed them to identify a salmonella "fingerprint" locating the contamination source and likely stop the illness in it's tracks.
science. the scientific method. scientists. basic research. hard work. preparation. study. math. chemistry. biology. physics. good thing we got someone doing it.
i second that!
Once again we act surprised that the government did not protect us! They did not protect us on 9/11 - they do not protect our military men and women - they do not protect our food. Republicans and Democrats both are not interested in the people - only their lobbyests and their pocketbooks. Time for a change - actually past time for a change. We thought Obama was the change, but we are now seeing he is the same and doing virtually nothing to help.
Once again we see the have and have not.......they are all a bunch of drunken lawyers f-ing this country up and we continue to re-elect them.....yea I want a change; I want them all to have term limits and don't get to keep that same salary for life. then get a real job and pay into Social Security like the rest of us...get on the same medical plan as the rest of us......and quit spending $ we don't have....someone is going to criticize this and that's fine, I am just getting tired of all this separation, just because they govern the U.S. does not make them all that special, or deserving, or righteous or whatever......The citizens are getting tired of all this continued non-sense
HEY BB1957! Run for office, I will vote for you! In Jr. High School social studies, I seem to recall that originally politicians were exactly why you described! There WERE terms, and they had to return to society and live within the laws they passed and next door to the neighbor that was also affected. The concept of a farmer, teacher or laborer being a small town mayor is also what our government is supposed to be. There were no professional politicians, just lay people serving their neighbors. We are now graduating professional politicians who have never lived within the "commoners" means, and will never have to. "We" is not a concept anymore, "they" have never lived within our limits with our rules, laws, health insurance or retirement. I WANT a working person, with real problems, a sick child, overturned mortgage who fights with the insurance company and banks. No silver spoons or special treatment!
support your local farmer and never buy those kind of mass produced eggs. the carbon footprint to get those eggs to your door is huge and the egg quality is crap. if you eat eggs from those mega-chicken little cages, you are alreday sick in the mind since you have no care for your insides or your local farmers.
"...feed containing bone meal and animal..." I avoid the problem and by Egglands... not fed animal parts... not kept 4" apart..."