Lets see the barn is empty, the horses are gone. Yup time to close the barn door. How about actually getting public employees who work and aren't watching porn while "Rome burns"
With all the steroids and growth hormones given to poultry why diden,t some genious figure this out sooner?Hell you should see some of the kill plants.3&4 leg chickens,2 headed chickens,chickens loaded with cancer.It,s getting scary.
Jo - You are expressing your fear. Where do you get your information that makes you so afraid? Chickens for laying eggs do not get either steroids or growth hormones.
These are emotional, popular "boogie man" terms but do not relate to fact. Laying hens in modern chicken houses are fed a nutritionally balanced diet that is quite sophisticated. The diet is adjusted for temperature (that can vary a bit inside the house depending upon time of year), age of the laying hen, shell quality (thick or thinning - crack rate), and egg size. There are not given any steroids or hormones.
As for salmonella, the Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
Sounds great there jkatze!! Problem is we've run most of them out of business while we subsidize factory farms and pay the few family farmers we haven't bankrupted to let their land go unused. Great system we have. We'll prop up defunct car companies, banks and insurance companies who threw their money away, and any other business or group that can pony up some votes but as the family farmer was dying we did nothing to encourage him and his descendent's to continue doing what they had done for hundreds of years - feed us. Reminds me of a John Cougar-Melloncamp song. I grew up on the farm in Southern Indiana among the corn and the wheat fields and I watched the family farm die first hand and it was sickening. I watched folks whose families had lived on the same land for generations pack up and move away because they could no longer compete with the government subsidized factory farms that continued to gobble up the land for pennies on the dollar because the owners had been forced into bankruptcy by tight credit, high seed and fuel costs and skyrocketing equipment costs. I knew men that hung themselves in their barns, my great-grandfather among them. No one cared then and they don't now. It sounds good and all talking about buying local food, and eggs and milk and such but it's not going to happen on any scale. Oh a few people will but most do it because it's fashionable and so they can sit around with their friends and brag about how "green" they are and how they're saving the planet and all. Most of their food will still come from WalMart. There's simply not enough interest to support more than a small farm or two in any given area. Farming is expensive, hard, dirty, daylight to dark, 24/7/365 work and the plain fact is that most people today aren't going to lower their standard of living to do it. Those days are gone and they're not coming back. Sad but it is what it is.
The estate tax (the Democrat keystone) destroyed the family farm. The kids just can't come up with the taxes on the estate after dad dies. And the subsidizes supposed the help them wind up enriching the factory farms because they can afford the lawyer to interpret them funny how those who claim (the Dem's DFL) to help,.. have destroyed the family farm and enriched the corporation. Or maybe that was their plan, destroy the backbone of America.
Support local farmers markets. I am lucky enough to live in an area where we have a good system in place and a farmers market is available 6 days a week. Why? Because the locals here believe in it and want to put the money in the farmers pockets not the pockets of some middle man. We have two or three farmers who raise chickens as a side business to the orchards or fields that they propagate. We are able to buy eggs and meat from these farmers. The chickens are raised in pasture where they can eat bugs and plants as well as their feed. The eggs have bright orange yolks which according to a study on mother earth news contains more nutrients than the eggs of battery caged hens. (look it up on their website).
localharvest.org is a website you can use to look for local farm raised food and farmers markets. Don't wait for our government to fix a system that is too giant to fix. Spend your money on food that is produced on a smaller scale. I understand that problems can happen on any farm, but for me, it feels like a better bet when things are on a smaller scale and someone is watching because their livelyhood depends on it.
Last point I'll make. Some food sold at a farmers markets will be a little pricier than food grown on a large scale but think about the fact that you are paying for a small farmer to be able to do what he does. A giant egg producer shoves hundreds of thousands of chickens into small cages. Douses them with antibiotics because these are far from sterile conditions and feeds them feed that includes meat and bone meal (when I read that in the MSNBC article from a couple of days ago, I had to wonder: chickens eating chicken? Even if not, that's how they think we got mad cow. Cows eating who knows who). A small farmer feeds his chickens grains and lets them get their protein in a yard or pasture while they soak up vitamin D in the sunshine. The latter example is more overhead just from a real estate standpoint, but worth every penny you pay for it with more nutritious eggs with no antibiotics used.
The Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
Can't you agree though, Frostbyte, that the chickens are kept in deplorable conditions. Conditions so awful that if humans were placed in them, it would be called a concentration camp? I think, even for a simple animal mind, the surroundings are hellish and miserable, and that the stress and lack of exercise and lack of natural food is not making a particularly healthy product.
The estate tax (the Democrat keystone) destroyed the family farm.
And how many of those family farms your saying were destroyed by the inheritance tax (I am assuming you mean the one from 1916 with the top rate raise in 1934 and not the previous ones) were actually worth the 5 million dollars needed to qualify for that tax? That hardly sounds like the little guy to me.
Conglomerate companies and greed destroyed Americas farm industry. They drown the little guy out.
"The Food and Drug Administration is planning to inspect all of the country's largest egg farms before the end of next year following the massive recall that has sickened as many as 1,500 people."
Ah, so it was the recall that sickened 1,500 people. And here I was thinking that the recall was in response to the bad eggs which sickened people. Thanks for clearing that up MSNBC.
Why in the hell does the FDA always start inspecting, looking into & warning the public regarding bad drugs, bad food etc after people die or get terribly sick before they do anything about something?? Is this normal procedure??
Billions of eggs and a few stomach aches.. which , of course multiplied after the media spread the news.. now we are paying up to 150% more for eggs... thanks again to our federal government and the ever present media// Come on people.. if you are concerned about what these horrible bad eggs will do to you... cook them for crying out loud.
I'm glad all the responders are comfortable with bad eggs. The only reason the problem is at a noticable level ( a significant number of people have to become ill) is due the pure greed of the owner putting profit above a reasonable level quality and safety for the users of his product.
The idea that a producer has to be watched and caught creating bad food in America is ridiculous. This isn't China, and we aren't talking red paint on toys. Wait, if this were China, he'd have been tried and shot by now!
PS-There is no feed manuafacturer invovled, anyone operating at this scale doesn't waste profit buying what he can make with his own operation.
The Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
"THE FDA TO DO WHAT IT IS PAID FOR" Government workers actually working for the large sums pf money we pay them! What a hell of an idea! Now lets see them do it! hahahahahahhahahah!
Let us not rush into this... The FDA has sat on its hands for years...(And for you folks worrying about taxing the family farm the data does not support your cliam)
"THE FDA TO DO WHAT IT IS PAID FOR",maybe it will make many people feel sad. FDA are always to do things like this, and it is always aimed at the electronic cigarette which is an useful alternative product of real cigarette. you could have a look at e cigarette on www.ecig-china.com, then you will know what is the e cigarette in nature.
Dadooftim, I guess you forgot abot the banks and "agribusiness" that also had a great deal to do with the farm crises of the 70's and 80's. Every farmer out there was told you have to get bigger to stay in it and don't worry about18% interest because it will never go down. Over production and stagnet prices didn't help either. Tear out the fences and employ better living through chemistry. These were and are more harmful than any estate tax. All anyone has to do is incorporate and join the system as set up by Earl Butz. This is not a political party wrong but the government in general that favors large corporations over the common man.
Lets see the barn is empty, the horses are gone. Yup time to close the barn door. How about actually getting public employees who work and aren't watching porn while "Rome burns"
With all the steroids and growth hormones given to poultry why diden,t some genious figure this out sooner?Hell you should see some of the kill plants.3&4 leg chickens,2 headed chickens,chickens loaded with cancer.It,s getting scary.
Jo I see you get the SciFy channel, might want to back off on the doobies you are starting to confuse TV and reality
Jo - You are expressing your fear. Where do you get your information that makes you so afraid? Chickens for laying eggs do not get either steroids or growth hormones.
These are emotional, popular "boogie man" terms but do not relate to fact. Laying hens in modern chicken houses are fed a nutritionally balanced diet that is quite sophisticated. The diet is adjusted for temperature (that can vary a bit inside the house depending upon time of year), age of the laying hen, shell quality (thick or thinning - crack rate), and egg size. There are not given any steroids or hormones.
As for salmonella, the Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
To hell with inspecting them. Close them!!
Bring back the family farm. They fed America better than anything since.
Sounds great there jkatze!! Problem is we've run most of them out of business while we subsidize factory farms and pay the few family farmers we haven't bankrupted to let their land go unused. Great system we have. We'll prop up defunct car companies, banks and insurance companies who threw their money away, and any other business or group that can pony up some votes but as the family farmer was dying we did nothing to encourage him and his descendent's to continue doing what they had done for hundreds of years - feed us. Reminds me of a John Cougar-Melloncamp song. I grew up on the farm in Southern Indiana among the corn and the wheat fields and I watched the family farm die first hand and it was sickening. I watched folks whose families had lived on the same land for generations pack up and move away because they could no longer compete with the government subsidized factory farms that continued to gobble up the land for pennies on the dollar because the owners had been forced into bankruptcy by tight credit, high seed and fuel costs and skyrocketing equipment costs. I knew men that hung themselves in their barns, my great-grandfather among them. No one cared then and they don't now. It sounds good and all talking about buying local food, and eggs and milk and such but it's not going to happen on any scale. Oh a few people will but most do it because it's fashionable and so they can sit around with their friends and brag about how "green" they are and how they're saving the planet and all. Most of their food will still come from WalMart. There's simply not enough interest to support more than a small farm or two in any given area. Farming is expensive, hard, dirty, daylight to dark, 24/7/365 work and the plain fact is that most people today aren't going to lower their standard of living to do it. Those days are gone and they're not coming back. Sad but it is what it is.
The estate tax (the Democrat keystone) destroyed the family farm. The kids just can't come up with the taxes on the estate after dad dies. And the subsidizes supposed the help them wind up enriching the factory farms because they can afford the lawyer to interpret them funny how those who claim (the Dem's DFL) to help,.. have destroyed the family farm and enriched the corporation. Or maybe that was their plan, destroy the backbone of America.
Support local farmers markets. I am lucky enough to live in an area where we have a good system in place and a farmers market is available 6 days a week. Why? Because the locals here believe in it and want to put the money in the farmers pockets not the pockets of some middle man. We have two or three farmers who raise chickens as a side business to the orchards or fields that they propagate. We are able to buy eggs and meat from these farmers. The chickens are raised in pasture where they can eat bugs and plants as well as their feed. The eggs have bright orange yolks which according to a study on mother earth news contains more nutrients than the eggs of battery caged hens. (look it up on their website).
localharvest.org is a website you can use to look for local farm raised food and farmers markets. Don't wait for our government to fix a system that is too giant to fix. Spend your money on food that is produced on a smaller scale. I understand that problems can happen on any farm, but for me, it feels like a better bet when things are on a smaller scale and someone is watching because their livelyhood depends on it.
Last point I'll make. Some food sold at a farmers markets will be a little pricier than food grown on a large scale but think about the fact that you are paying for a small farmer to be able to do what he does. A giant egg producer shoves hundreds of thousands of chickens into small cages. Douses them with antibiotics because these are far from sterile conditions and feeds them feed that includes meat and bone meal (when I read that in the MSNBC article from a couple of days ago, I had to wonder: chickens eating chicken? Even if not, that's how they think we got mad cow. Cows eating who knows who). A small farmer feeds his chickens grains and lets them get their protein in a yard or pasture while they soak up vitamin D in the sunshine. The latter example is more overhead just from a real estate standpoint, but worth every penny you pay for it with more nutritious eggs with no antibiotics used.
The Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
Can't you agree though, Frostbyte, that the chickens are kept in deplorable conditions. Conditions so awful that if humans were placed in them, it would be called a concentration camp? I think, even for a simple animal mind, the surroundings are hellish and miserable, and that the stress and lack of exercise and lack of natural food is not making a particularly healthy product.
Right on
And how many of those family farms your saying were destroyed by the inheritance tax (I am assuming you mean the one from 1916 with the top rate raise in 1934 and not the previous ones) were actually worth the 5 million dollars needed to qualify for that tax? That hardly sounds like the little guy to me.
Conglomerate companies and greed destroyed Americas farm industry. They drown the little guy out.
"The Food and Drug Administration is planning to inspect all of the country's largest egg farms before the end of next year following the massive recall that has sickened as many as 1,500 people."
Ah, so it was the recall that sickened 1,500 people. And here I was thinking that the recall was in response to the bad eggs which sickened people. Thanks for clearing that up MSNBC.
It's not time to "inspect the egg farms operational procedures".
It's time for the public to know which feed manufacturer supplied the feed. (by brand name)
I raise my own, and if the feed caused it I want to know WHO the manufacturer of this feed is.
I also want to know if the salmonella was in the feed when received, or if it happened because of
bad storage on the part of the egg farmers.
So, the FDA is "NOW" going to do their job! What a farce!
Why in the hell does the FDA always start inspecting, looking into & warning the public regarding bad drugs, bad food etc after people die or get terribly sick before they do anything about something?? Is this normal procedure??
They can't be everywhere at once. Close enough for government work.
Billions of eggs and a few stomach aches.. which , of course multiplied after the media spread the news.. now we are paying up to 150% more for eggs... thanks again to our federal government and the ever present media// Come on people.. if you are concerned about what these horrible bad eggs will do to you... cook them for crying out loud.
I'm glad all the responders are comfortable with bad eggs. The only reason the problem is at a noticable level ( a significant number of people have to become ill) is due the pure greed of the owner putting profit above a reasonable level quality and safety for the users of his product.
The idea that a producer has to be watched and caught creating bad food in America is ridiculous. This isn't China, and we aren't talking red paint on toys. Wait, if this were China, he'd have been tried and shot by now!
PS-There is no feed manuafacturer invovled, anyone operating at this scale doesn't waste profit buying what he can make with his own operation.
Mimi- Thanks for that website. I'm visiting my mom for a month and since living in Germany I have learned to love farmers markets....
The Veterinary Department at the University of Missouri from a PhD in Vet Pathology states that chickens are scavengers that will eat whatever does not eat them. If in their scavenging, they pick up an organism containing salmonella, it will be passed onto the egg. And I quote, "It is much more likely that a range-free chicken will come into contact with salmonella than a caged, housed chicken."
"THE FDA TO DO WHAT IT IS PAID FOR" Government workers actually working for the large sums pf money we pay them! What a hell of an idea! Now lets see them do it! hahahahahahhahahah!
Let us not rush into this... The FDA has sat on its hands for years...(And for you folks worrying about taxing the family farm the data does not support your cliam)
"THE FDA TO DO WHAT IT IS PAID FOR",maybe it will make many people feel sad. FDA are always to do things like this, and it is always aimed at the electronic cigarette which is an useful alternative product of real cigarette. you could have a look at e cigarette on www.ecig-china.com, then you will know what is the e cigarette in nature.
Dadooftim, I guess you forgot abot the banks and "agribusiness" that also had a great deal to do with the farm crises of the 70's and 80's. Every farmer out there was told you have to get bigger to stay in it and don't worry about18% interest because it will never go down. Over production and stagnet prices didn't help either. Tear out the fences and employ better living through chemistry. These were and are more harmful than any estate tax. All anyone has to do is incorporate and join the system as set up by Earl Butz. This is not a political party wrong but the government in general that favors large corporations over the common man.