Susan Linn is one of NOAA's panel of fish sniffers helping decide if seafood is OK
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from:msnbc.comThis woman's nose stands between you, Gulf seafood
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Okay the people of the state are supposed to trust her nose.....Uhhhhh when you sniff many things....example one behind the other your brain begins to process them all at once so after say about 10 sniffs you really cannot tell the difference.....So unless she is sniffing different days..than I would have to trust my own nose and tell people if grows after each sniff than the fish is not good for consumption LOL.
I like it, very funny, thats funny right there. Don't care who ya are, that funny right there.
What a load of ......... This not funny!!! People can get sick from these chemicals! I am so unimpressed with the handling of this!!
AKRandy, do you seriously think that since the spill began no one has eaten the seafood??? We would know if people were becoming sick because of the chemicals because the media would not be able to keep quiet about it, nor would the people affected.
Scratch n sniff.....used to be pretty good... just ask the cat (or dog). If you are really interested you might get your cat to test your food before you eat it..........if the cat won't touch it neither should you.
I'm thinking one Katrina or a Camile = +-4-6 years natural recycling....smaller hurricanes = less recycling. Depending on the Hurricane season......I'm guessing a year and no one will think about it.
I'm worried about all those microbes that have been in the water contaminating the seafood for the last 3,000 years..........not the oil that has been diluted by trillions of gallons of ocean water.
...I think I smell a RAT!
She's a fish sniffer, is that a metaphor for being a closet lesbian?
What a BOGUS F'ING job...You have got to be kidding me...? Sniff thisssss...!
Do you have any scientific basis for your assertions at all; or are you just reaching in deep and pulling it out of your ass?
This is a joke right, if not Obama is paying Susan Linn and other to sniff seafood what a waste of money another of Obama's Gov. departments wasting our money on things like this if MMS was doing their job as you should Obama we would not need someone to sniff fish if the FDA was doing their job we would not have a recall on eggs, Obama maybe they should go and sniff eggs before they get to us if you think it’s such a good plan. How do you get past the fish smell?
Once you get past the smell, you've got it licked, he he he
What does Obama have to do with paying her to sniff fish - if I read correctly, she was chosed TEN years ago. I don't remember him being president then.
Its funny how you blame the GOVERNMENT for not catching the things that BUSINESS's should be catching.
Why should MMS be blamed for BP's failure? Did we expect a goventment agent to swim down and inspect the blowout preventor? How is it that big business constantly undermines gov't regulations and then the gov gets blamed for it.
What ever happened to being good coroporate citizens? If the "right" demanded the accountability and responsibility it wants from the people on the "left" from big business we wouldnt have any issues.
According to the "right" less gov't is better and we shld be able to trust BB to be GOOD corporate citizens...LMAO
But for some reason...BB breaks the rules and we blame the gov for not stopping them. Why aren't they held to the same standards??
Why isnt MMS held to ANY standard? At least BP will be spending $20B+. MMS got a name change and they're not even paying to change the letterhead. The expression is "good enough for govt work", not "close enough for company work."
*Why isnt MMS held to ANY standard*
They are...but this is like blaming the police for not catching the criminal BEFORE he commits a crime. You can fault the police (MMS) for not catching them but THEY did not commit the crime. Only one entity did and only one entity is to blame.
M&MS was bought and paid for by Cheney appointments to turn a blind eye to Big Oil
malfeasance. Now that they got caught, Obama's response is classic Federalist: fire
the director, split the agency into three units to destroy the backwards paper trail,
hire 100 new appointed drones to turn a blind eye to Big Oil, and a politico Director.
I've worked for the Feds a number of times, the greatest criminality I've ever seen!
You have no idea how you are being bamboozled. Well, actually, I guess you do!
Each and every one of you is on the hook ~$80,000 to pay down the $13T Fed deficit!
So you and your significant other could have had two brand new Audis, ...or paid taxes.
Thank the Feds that you, your children and grandchildren are Usury Slaves of America.
In 2003, a report in the Wall Street journal said the Deepwater Horizon was one of the
first oil rigs with automated satellite link to Houston. BP would be able to sit there and
watch on live TV, with digital monitors on all the equipment, every moment 24x7x365.
Two or three days after the blowout explosion, that report went 404 on the WSJ website.
There's never been any disclosure that Deepwater Horizon was monitored from Houston.
Are the Feds at M&MS that incompetent? Or are they that malfeasant! Do you capiche?
I have played the part of an auditor which is what MMS folks on site were. It isnt an easy job when done correctly and literally everyone hates you. Still, I did say when the job is done correctly and this one was not.
The comment by NotAHypocrit is pretty much what all of the libs wish to believe. MMS was not and could not have been at fault ever so blame the business that was responsible for the drilling, mostly because that fits a preconceived greenie idea based on do not drill and maybe we would polute quite so much. That said, MMS was at least fifty percent to blame and does not deserve a white wash. Was it my court, those fools would be tossed Under the jail mostly for failure to do the job at all.
First and foremost, any good auditor has some idea, probably a checklist, of items that must be inspected and cleared before an okay can be given. When you are drilling at 5000 feet below the ocean surface, this becomes critical because you just may not be able to get a man, a robot, or a manned robotic sub down to the blow out preventer should something bad take place. The one item I would have expected any good auditor to cover in spades was that battery which apparently was either bad when it went into the water or failed shortly there after. You can check batteries you know and it isnt rocket science either. At any rate, the first excuse given was this battery failed allowing the explosion to occur. Instead, we find that a fair portion of the auditors assigned to field ops by MMS supervision, which remained behind on shore, watched porn sites for a very large portion of the day. they also spent some time in chat rooms, doing emails, and generally NOT doing their assigned jobs. Strike one.
As I have worked on rigs for a fair portion of my adult life and studied OSHA extensively in universityand in industry, one thing I know. The oil patch is one d..m dangerous place to work or surf the porn sites. At one time, a well head was one of three places in the commercial world OSHA didnt protect with a bazillion laws. Can't talk about how work is protected today but still understand working on or near a rig is about as hazardous as being at ground zero when a nuke goes bang. Were I the director of MMS and understood that not only was this a most dangerous job of work, but that it was taking place 5000 feet under the Gulf surface, I would have insured my auditor/inspector stood right beside the driller every second of every day and reported any issues immediately. Given that BP has a bad history of attemptiing to cut corners, that inspector/auditor would have known he/she would get their head handed to them if they screwed up. Strike two because that didnt take place. If it matters I did say once that MMS was only half responsible. BP and the companies it hired get the other half of the blame game.
Strike Three involves momma nature. If you make a mistake working those depths, there really is very little you can do and almost no time to do it in to boot. this is a game where strike three truely does mean you are out. In this case you could well be out of life not just fired for incompetence.
maybe the mms should have sniffed the bops to see if they where ok. i'm sure the boem will take that up.
isn't that what they do in norway and in brazil to assure their deepwater rigs are ok?
*The comment by NotAHypocrit is pretty much what all of the libs wish to believe. MMS was not and could not have been at fault ever so blame the business that was responsible for the drilling mostly because that fits a preconceived greenie idea based on do not drill*
ummmm lmao! maybe it fits a preconceived notion that the party RESPONSIBLE for the action is the one to blame? Hardly a liberal philosophy wouldn't you agree? Has nothing to do with drilling or not drilling. People like you would blame the Gov for anything you can instead of the business responsible OR the person responsible. See the dif between you and me is...I don't need anyone WATCHING me in order to DO THE RIGHT THING! Why do we treat businesses any freaking different?
LairdN if you really were an inspector on a drilling rig, well, God help us. If in fact your homily was, as I suspect, taken straight from your bowells, perhaps you should have let that turd cook a bit longer.
Maybe she can sniff cars to see if they smell like lemons !
Hey Newsvine, is this all you have, certainly there other more important things to report on?
News news everywhere, but the dummies complain about one article...brilliant!
The good scientest says that if the Gov. says the waters are safe, they are safe. Can she smell a cancer causing dispersant as well?
The only oil I want in my fish is fish oil, than you very much.
probably not........they have dogs for that.
Yeah, actually, they can. It's a well proven, scientific fact. But by all means, let your uneducated paranoia dictate what you're going to eat and drink.
You're an idiot. Go breath in some more cancer causing air.. oh wait.. you didn't know that. I guess you better hold your breath and leave the rest of the air for us.
I only want two things to smell like fish...Healthy fish...hehehehe Sorry...Had to say it...!
Training is good but common sense is sometimes even better. I have several degrees in hazardous material training and I have learned that sniffing is a definate no no. You are being trained to sniff benzene? It's in the crude oil, it causes cancer. There is no safe limit. One molecule of benzene can cause a receptive cells dna to mutate. Will BP replace your nose ten years from now? Be carefull, you won't be able to prove your sniffing shrimp is where you were exposed to benzine and the other 100's of toxic chemicals you are trying to detect.
If one molecule of benzene were dangerous, we'd all be dead. Every time you fill your gas tank you inhale at least a trillion (1e12) benzene molecules, probably thousands of times more even. But of course a trillion molecules of benzene is next to nothing. Stay awake in your next training class. The EPA drinking water standard in 5 ppb.
After Heidi Montag's admission she's taping her nose in hopes that it won't fall off, at first glance, the title to this article sounded to me as if someone had lost her nose in food
I wish one of your degrees was in English.
Bryant == those fools sniffing all that benzene while filling their gasoline tanks were probably smoking at the same time. Don't see that much today for most of our hard core smokes are at least a little careful but it used to be rather common.
I'm with you Mark. As a former HAZMAT/CBRN responder, envirronmental sampler, and current chemist I can attest that smelling samples is a HUGE no-no. I would much prefer samples from potentially tainted water be tested with a GCMS or HPLC which can detect volitiles and semi-volitiles in the pp billion and pp trillion range. Consuming crude hydrocarbons by oral ingestion and/or inhalation in the ppm range is unhealthy and unsafe.
Quite honestly, I'm suprised that OSHA allows this to happen. What happens when she sniffs a sample in the pp thousand range? What about the toxic compounds that don't have an odor? This is absolutely a rediculous way to test food. Get a PID to screen with, use the GCMS and/or HPLC before releasing this into the food supply.
hey Ravin, know what they say about thinning the gene pool...guess when we run out of people dumb enough to smell the toxic stuff, we'll be smart enough to use your suggestion...until then, we still got stupid people running rampant on the planet to use their body parts for "tests"....
COREXIT doesn't smell. Its deadly stuff. This is criminal science.
Read the whole article. They're also doing chem tests. This is just a quick screening. I have military hazmat training and smelling is almost always your first alert. Bad idea to continue sniffing but you better recognize the early signs cuz the next one might be your buddy keeling over.
Would you want to be the sniffer? How crazy is that? It's like in the old days when they had a peon eat all the king's food before he did, but of course poison was fast acting then. Now you can eat probably a month of it before you finally notice, you're just not feeling like you should...or maybe you don't heed the signs, but after awhile your body's biological system will break down. The more broken, the harder to heal.
read? who reads? most of these responses a are swayed by the head-line. it does say sniff, not breath deeply and it does say "along with chemical testing". but then i do read.
what happened to the mass spectrometry readings. That will tell me each chemical in virtually any organic compound I would think.
Let's see. 5 years ago we had Katrina which helped clean out New Orleans of its sewer system, garbage, trash and chemicals and dump it into the Gulf and now we have the largest oil spill in US history and seafood is safe to eat?? Are you freakin' kidding? There is no way anyone will convince me the seafood inthe Gulf will be safe for the next ten years. I recently read several articles about a new type of fish being sold in local stores, Swai?? caught in the Mekong river in Vietnam which is a toxic waste dump according to even the Vietnamese government. Please people, let common sense rule before you buy food that goes into your body.
Well, paranoia might just suit you then - why complain?
and what have you been eating for the last 5 years? I think we all know that seagoing vessels leave oil in the water not to mention all the other 'stuff'... since paddle wheelers and sailships first cast their anchors in that water.......(should I mention all the pesticides and contaminants that float down from the midwest farmlands and factories or should I just be quiet now.........)?
Silence!...
INsanIty - I would make the HEAD of the powers that be who've determined this is safe and RIGHT, I would make him and his family do the sniffing and the eating of this fish.
this is nonsense. I would never trust a sniff test for toxicity, especially from this wretch. I can't believe my tax dollars are being spent on this crap.
Unbelievable on how far our Government will go to cover up the toxicities of the oil spill. Corexit is Nano Technology and that means minute particles are in the bodies of these fish. Nano Technology allows for penetration through the skin. A fish does not need to inhale through the gills. Had the media been allowed to show the public all the millions of dead fish, people would understand how toxic the Corexit is. It killed whales one of the largest fish out there. This Corexit was used on the ocean floor and the ocean's surface. No fish could escape its grip. It is a total waste of time smelling the fish on the outside because the toxics are in the insides of the fish. These toxics have no smell. The Government just wants it to look like they are doing something.
Whales aren't fish, they are mammals.
What planet do you live on, this is just silly. Corexit has nothing to do with nanotech, it's basically dish soap with a little light oil mixed in - just like the stuff mechanics use to wash their hands. Corexit is less toxic than crude oil, which is not all that toxic in the first place.
Big Oil Wall Street Troll Alert! Reported license plate bryant-290778 is cruising the playground.
People, the Gulf is only a small percentage of the 70% of ocean that covers the earth. The number of barrels of oil that were generated from Deep-water Horizon is minuscule compared to the number of gallons of water that are in the oceanic system. It is reasonable to believe that the drifts and currents have already diluted and dispersed the oil spill to the degree that any harmful effects on sea life will be to a minimum. Societies throughout the world have used the oceans as a dumping ground for hundreds of years.
Remember all rivers flow to the sea, including the Mekong mentioned above.
It has become our societies propensity to litigate that will make this incident go far beyond necessary.
Great going, Susan!
Thanks for your work in keeping us all safer.
Mom
Better this woman's nose than the nose of Paris Hilton. Just arrested on Cocaine charge.
Ridiculous propaganda piece. Were talking about looking for deadly chemicals here, not wine or beer tasting. Some of the chemicals are orderless, this this whole article is nonsense.
Well consider the fact that if you had basic reading comprehension skills, you would understand this is one of the tests they use...
But ya, you go boyfriend running with the conspiracy theories - I wonder what your day is like living in such constant fear and doubt? Just like all these other nabobs I'm sure...
If you followed the link and read it, as you claim, you would've discovered the chemical tests
DO NOT include petroleum by-products or the ingredients found in the dispersants, or for that
matter, any of the 10,000 industrial chemical compounds dumped into the 70+ tributaries of
the Mississippi River, or the 100,000s of tons of agriculture pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer
runoff which has made the Gulf into a Dead Zone. When I worked in EPA we found a refinery
dumping hot oily-water into the Illinois River through an industrial canal, water so toxic it was
killing grazing cattle drinking in the canal, apparently their noses weren't sensitive enough!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tributaries_of_the_Mississippi_River
Herman C I once watched an EPA type dressed in a wool leather patch sleeved jacket tell my boss, the rig superintendent, to stop setting up his rig for we were in danger of disturbing a family of rare snails. The EPA in that same field also ordered the entire field to be shut down for them to go in and hunt down and electronically collar black panthers which were supposed to be extinct in Florida. Eighteen months later we were allowed back into that field and on day one the first thing we saw was a really really big black kitty cat run across the road. big meant it was larger than my great dane which isnt small at all. So much for gummint effiiciency. I would not trust the fuxoring EPA to tell me the sky was blue at high noon.
During Hurricane Katrina the government issued an 18 month ban on fishing because of a small oil leak. Now with the BP Oil Spill we have close to 100 times more oil, hell I bet the amount of dispersant used was more than the amount of oil spilled from Katrina. Truly common sense is not so common anymore.
They should close the gulf fishing for at least 10 years, (I am an optimist). Make BP pay 100 Billion in losses instead of the measly 20 Billion to just the fishermen.
Why dont you require the "Gummint" to pay you that 100,000 billion dollars. You would get it about as fast.
I'd trust a bloodhound before I took the word of this person.
For everyone hating on this person's job, if you don't believe her, just don't eat the fish.
She professes to identify at close to the part per million level consistently. However, these petrochemicals and dispersants cause chronic toxicological problems at the part per billion and part per trillion level. Furthermore, biomagnification (which causes predatory fish to have even higher concentrations) and biotransformation (which creates even more toxins) will have to be addressed in the fish typically harvested for consumption. This shouldn't be about politics or business, it's about keeping people safe. The method of "sniffing" does not constitute good science, nor does it ensure a safe product. Chemical analysis is also used , and for good reason. However, if the contents of the COREXIT dispersant are not divulged than what are they analyzing for? Different chemicals require different sampling and testing methods. They don't know what's in it, and therefore, we do not know how to - or what to test for. How can they say that it is safe?
I'm going to hire her before I go on my next blind date. Nothing like a good ole sniff test to determine if the clams are edible.
LOL!!!!!!!!! That is really, really funny!
I'll be happy when I see the First Family at the 'Fish Bucket Cafe', snarfling down a full table top
of freshly steamed Gulf jambalaya, selected at random from the plates coming out of the kitchen,
and purchased at random from the fish buyers, and bought at random from the boats pulling in.
We 'sniffed' a refinery job our crew had to work on, even using portable electronic sniffers, and
yet three of the four guys on my crew developed rare cancers and were dead within two years!
Our lawyers said there was no way to 'prove' they died from the refinery job, and to 'let it drop'.
My response (after my doctor found pre-cancerous lesions) was 'where was my safety briefing!?'
But I never got a response from the lawyers. None of them have the cajones to go after Big Oil.
So since when does NOAA do food product safety inspections? There is nothing on the FDA site:
http://www.fda.gov/food/foodsafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/default.htm
I think we're being flim-flammed here. All of the sewage and fertilizer runoff and industrial effluent
in the entire MidWest ends up in the Gulf of Mexico, forget about toxic blowout and dispersants!
The only thing a nose can detect is ammonia from fish spoilage, and only after it's gone real ripe.
But ammonia is not dangerous! In the Philippines they eat fermented fish paste, unrefrigerated!
What kills you is the absorbed toxins, regardless of that crap about 'being metabolized', come on!
So since our animal livestock can 'metabolize', safe to feed them refinery blowdown by-products?
Since you and I can 'metabolize', it's safe to put any raw industrial ingredient into our food chain!?
This is insulting our intelligence, verging on 'Let Them Eat (Crab) Cake'. Where are the lab tests!?
Remember, our EPA told the WTC first responders it was 'perfectly safe' to re-enter the WTC site.
They lied flat out, and now those WTC first responders are dying of mesothelioma from the asbestos!
Oh, to H with it all.....about 210 million gallons of oil in the water......what do you want, completely fresh, clean seafood? If it smells ok, eat it. Don't test it for the presence of oil and other cancer-causing chemicals...just let someone smell it for you and then eat it. Stop being such a pain.
What do you want to do, give our govt. and the oil industry even more trouble??
Obama's fish sniffers sorta reminds me of Gov. Bill Clinton's chicken pluckers. A job's a job I suppose.
I do my own sniffing before I eat anything,and then I taste test it.A lesson frm the great depression and from living on a farm.
What a joke! Could you imagine if it were a different administration in office and you were told that all of the oil basically vanished and poses no threat any more??????? This whole thing is a bunch of bunk, why isn't it on the news all the time? Why is this guy getting a free pass?