Amen, Truthseeker. I'm sure they'll allow it as soon as they figure out how to tax the hell out of it beyond the clinical trials. Getting people off cigarettes will cut into their revenue stream.

I agree, but I think it's BIG TOBACCO that is putting up the road blocks... When you say big government, you have to realize it all comes down to the millions spent in lobbying by these corporations... and also the losses in cigarette taxes.

And the wheel keeps turning...tax cigarettes...sue big tobacco...increase taxes on cigs to balance budgets and pay for stadiums...Big tobacco forced to market quit smoking campaigns...people listen...ads really work...captalism wheels start turning...idea is born...idea works...people buy...business grows...taxes from cigs fall...what the hell did you think was gonna happen...budgets are busted...Gov't cries for dropping tax revenue from the same stuff they tell you to stop doing...you know whats next...c'mon you know...legalization of marijuana...then tax it.

American Association of Public Health Physicians

AAPHP Statement re State Regulation of E-cigarettes

The American Association of Public Health Physicians recommends the following State response to proposed legislation to

ban or otherwise restrict the sale and use of nicotine vaporizers (commonly referred to as E-cigarettes or electronic

cigarettes).

1.

Sale to adults should be permitted.

2.

Sale to minors should be banned.

3.

explanation)

An E-cigarette is not a cigarette. It is a metal tube made to look like a cigarette, with a battery, heating element and cartridge

containing the substance to be vaporized. The substance is usually a mixture of propylene glycol, glycerin, flavoring, and a

specified quantity of nicotine. When the vaper (person using the E-cigarette) inhales, an LED lights up to make the device

look more like a cigarette. When he or she exhales, there is a visible cloud of vapor that disappears within a few seconds.

Neither I (Dr. Joel Nitzkin) nor the organization I represent (the American Association of Public Health Physicians) have

received or anticipate receipt of any financial support from any E-cigarette, tobacco-related or pharmaceutical enterprise.

AAPHP takes no stance on the question of whether E-cigarettes should be banned in no-smoking areas. (see

AAPHP favors a permissive approach to E-cigarettes because the possibility exists to save the lives of four million of

the eight million current adult American smokers who will otherwise die of a tobacco-related illness over the next

twenty years.

The only feasible way to achieve this remarkable public health benefit will be to inform smokers of the differences in risk

posed by different categories of nicotine-delivery products. Conventional cigarettes account for about 80% of nicotine

consumption in the United States, but more than 98% of the illness and death. This harm is not caused by the nicotine, but

by toxic products of combustion. A cigarette smoker can reduce his or her risk of future tobacco-related death by 98% or

better by switching to a low risk smokeless tobacco product. He or she could cut that risk by 99.9% or better by switching to

a nicotine-only delivery product like one of the pharmaceutical products or E-cigarettes.

Experience suggests that E-cigarettes may be more acceptable to smokers than the currently available pharmaceutical

alternatives. A smoker can secure almost all the health benefits of quitting if he or she transitions to an E-cigarette.

Quitting, of course, is best. About 3% of smokers succeed in quitting each year. Pharmaceutical smoking cessation products,

when used as directed, can increase that to about 7%. Thus, the current pharmaceutical products fail 93% of those who try

them, even with the best of health education and counseling. Long term use of an alternative nicotine delivery product can

achieve almost all of the benefits of quitting for those unable or unwilling to quit.

E-cigarettes can and should be marketed as a substitute for conventional cigarettes for smokers unable or unwilling to quit.

State legislatures and, hopefully the FDA should see them in this light and regulate their marketing to reflect this purpose.

Given the current lack of federal regulation, some, but not all, E-cigarette vendors adhere to this guideline.

Sales to minors should be prohibited. If someone does not become addicted to nicotine as a minor, it is unlikely that he or

she will ever become addicted.

E-cigarettes deliver the same nicotine found in the pharmaceutical products, with no more contamination by toxic

substances than the pharmaceutical products already approved by FDA.

Propylene glycol and glycerin are used as

American Association of Public Health Physicians

The voice of public health physicians, guardians of the public’s health

Tobacco Control Task Force

Joel L. Nitzkin, MD, MPH, DPA – Chair, AAPHP TCTF

504 899 7893 or 800 598 2561; E-mail:

www.aaphp.org

jln@jln-md.com

April 2, 2010

AAPHP Statement re State Regulation of E-cigarettes p 2 of 2

carriers of the nicotine. These cause the visible vapor. These substances are generally recognized as safe. They are

commonly used in theatrical fog machines, asthma inhalers and air fresheners. There is no smoke, and no products of

combustion. All this creates a situation in which we can confidently state that the risk to others sharing an indoor

environment with one or more vapers (E-cigarette users actively using this product) is almost sure to be much less than 1%

the risk posed by environmental tobacco smoke. Pharmaceutical nicotine vaporizers have been in use for years, with no

visible vapor, and no apparent concern about use in non-smoking areas. This having been said, we cannot rule out the

possibility that some individuals who may be extremely sensitive to indoor air irritants or to miniscule concentrations of

nicotine in indoor air might be adversely affected by E-cigarette (or pharmaceutical nicotine vaporizer) vapor.

Another issue is that of modeling. Some worry that sight of E-cigarettes in non-smoking areas will make smoking

restrictions harder to enforce, or encourage minors to see smoking as a “normal” and acceptable behavior. It is important to

note that, on second glance, E-cigarettes are easy to distinguish from tobacco cigarettes. Those seeing this as a major issue

are inclined to ban use of E-cigarettes in non-smoking areas.

We therefore recommend that research be done to address these two issues (possible hazard to a very small number of

highly sensitive individuals and modeling). The problem here is that, with end points so difficult to document, such research

could cost millions of dollars and take many years to complete. For the reasons noted above, we do not offer a stance in

favor of or against banning E-cigarettes in non-smoking areas.

For the data and analyses behind these recommendations, please go to the Tobacco Issues page on our

site and download the two petitions to FDA (about 20 pages apiece). For yet additional information you can download other

documents and the 303 pages of technical reference material relating to the petitions. I would also be happy to respond to

any questions or concerns by E-mail.

Joel L. Nitzkin, MD, MPH

Chair, Tobacco Control Task Force

American Association of Public Health Physicians

jln@jln-md.com

www.aaphp.org web
JLN:jln: 20100402AAPHP Ecig LegisStatmnt.doc/pdf

Of course the FDA does not care about your health any more than it cares what physicians think of e cigarettes or any other thing that effects your health.

The purpose of every act of the FDA or any other federal agency is to assert and maintain power so as to perpetuate itself.

Let's also not forget, there are 3 members of Big Tobacco on the FDA committee. Also the FDA gets a % of tobacco revenues. If the Big Tobacco companies lose revenue, so does the FDA. Also Big Pharma that pays money to the FDA will lose, because people will learn there is a more effective nicotine replacemnt than their ineffective patches, lozenges, gum and drugs. Some of these smoking cessation drugs have caused suicides. All these different interests are colluding to stop the use of e-cigs but want you to keep smoking proven cancer causing tobacco cigarettes. My nickel's worth.

Does anyone see the issue here?..These people feel threatened with the posible loss of thier" Non-Smoking Areas".It is about POWER.If someone can say "I am Not smoking leave me alone"...Then the Non-Smokers no longer have the CONTROL over them that they have fought so hard for.For the Governments,thier motivation is not psychological ,Thiers is purely monetary.They do not want to lose the cash cow that tobbacco has become.,If you notice..The AAPHP finds it necessary to take great pains to reassure the Non-Smokers that they will not be threatened with they loss of thier precious Non-Smoking and Designated smoking areas.It is as though they were saying," These E-cigs will address the reasons you have used to justify you campaign against Tobacco,But we recognize your need for victims."

I have to suspect loss of taxes as the motivation. Many states have passed laws so you can't smoke in public buildings, because of the dangers of second hand smoke. Along comes a way for nicotine addicts to "fit-in" and the government wants to block it. I do not think the tobacco industry is behind this, as I am pretty sure they are supplying all the nicotine for products like this. This product seems to be a good answer to a two fold problem; cigarette smoking and the affects of second hand smoke. This product should help reduce the number of health problems from smoking, and I as a smoker intend to try it. If it can help me quit cigarettes, great! If it only gives me a different way to feed my nicotine addiction that would be fine also.

Although know it is great sport these days to hate on all things Governmental, I for one am extremely cautious about anything coming into the US from overseas, that is not regulated, or thoroughly screened. We have had enough toys for small children coming in from China that turn out to have toxic levels of lead and other carcinogens, and I wonder if someone actually did some thorough testing, what would they find in these so called "safe" cigarettes.

I know it is hard to quit. I did so two years ago, after smoking for 30 years (since my teens) and making countless attempts to quit before I was successful. However, how can one truly say they have quit, when they are still taking in nicotine, in a way that seemingly would make it far easier to take in too much?

I think further testing needs to be done, and that the FDA is finally showing some much needed backbone in attempting to stop or regulate the sale of this product, and for goodness sake, try to see that it is kept out of the hands of children!

How much money do you think Big Pharm makes off of patches and pills to help/make people quit smoking? They will do anything to protect their market. Even it it kills people.

This product is and answer to the smoking problem. I can't wait to see someone with one in a restaurant and some non-smoker flipping out.

This reply is for bsbfankaren:

No one is saying that further testing shouldn't be done, we just want them tested and regulated as an alternative to traditional cigarettes. The FDA could do that right now if it chose to, but they would rather waste time and taxpayer money trying to force e-cigs into a drug delivery device classification.I use an e-cig because I enjoy recreational use of nicotine, but don't want the 4000 other chemicals that come from smoking. The FDA doesn't want that. They want me to get my nicotine from the pharmaceutical companies, and then only for short term purposes.

I say I quit smoking because that is what I have done. Since when does quitting smoking have to equal quitting nicotine? Would you say that someone who is using the patch, gum, or lozenge is still smoking? This is why those products have such a dismal success rate. They treat the nicotine dependency without treating the smoking dependency. As for taking in too much nicotine? The human body is surprisingly good at telling you when you have had enough. Besides, e-cigs are actually less efficient at delivering nicotine than traditional cigarettes.

As for the children argument? That one is just laughable. The FDA and all the other groups condemning the e-cig keep using this argument but have yet to show any proof that kids are even remotely interested in these devices, let alone actually using them. It is much easier for kids to get a hold of traditional cigarettes (which are perfectly legal and widely available). If the FDA would only classify these as a tobacco product, they would instantly become illegal for sale to minors and any company caught selling them to minors would face the same fines that apply to traditional cigarettes. Once again, they refuse to do this. In fact, groups pushing for state and local bans of e-cigs have refused to settle for legislation that only bans sales to minors. It's either all or nothing in their eyes.

Christopher,

To start, actually what I believe is that people on the gum or patches are only replacing one addiction with another delivery method, and arently solving their problem. This is becuase I believe that if they couldn't get the gum, or patch or in your case this devise, they would easily settle for a cigarette, since what they are after is the nicotine! However, that is my belief, and does not have to be shared by you. I know how I was able to go from the gum to a cigarette, and backto the gum, and have seemn so many other's fall into the same trap.

If you want ithis product regulated as an alternative cigarette, then I could be fine with that, so long as there is some real clarity as to what is in this product. If it is 100% nicotine, then I don't have an issue, to a point. However, if they find anything else, I believe it should be seen as a drug, as it is nicotine in liquid form, making it far easier to be misused or abused.

Finally, I am a parent, and don't see the "children argument" as "laughable" by any means. Although the expense of the product will keep some kids away, the novelty will get at least some of them, making for a much easier way to become addict to nicotine, since it appears to be pure nicotine. That to me is very dangerous, and must be considered.

Finally, I am not thinking about "big pharma" or "big tobacco", but about the welfare of America and her citizenry, and I have simply had enough of items coming into this country from overseas that are poorly or not at all regulated. I am happy that the FDA is stepping up here, and hope they do so more often.

bsbfankaren:

What is wrong with nicotine use if you are not getting it from cigarettes? 99% of the harm comes from the smoke, not the nicotine. What little harm that is left from nicotine usage isn't much different than that caused by caffeine usage. Just because something is addictive, doesn't make it bad. It all depends on how it affects your life. Nicotine does not adversely affect any aspects of my life. I am quite capable of driving a car, operating machinery, interacting with people, holding a job, etc., while having nicotine in my system. Can you say the same about people using heroin, cocaine, alcohol, or marijuana? If I want to use nicotine (a legal substance) in a form that does not harm those around me, why should the government try to stop me?

E-cigs have been tested. The FDA's own report showed nothing more harmful than what is found in the approved patch, gum, and lozenge. Yet, when it came time to announce the results, they ignored their own findings and instead focused on one sample that had trace amounts of diethylene glycol. This substance was found in such a low amount that it was well below the safety limits set by the FDA. It was not found in any other samples, and was thought to be an anomalous result.

Although the expense of the product will keep some kids away, the novelty will get at least some of them, making for a much easier way to become addict to nicotine, since it appears to be pure nicotine. That to me is very dangerous, and must be considered.

Again, in the 2 years since e-cigs have been available in the United States, there has been no evidence that kids are attracted to them. There have been no reports of adverse affects or deaths due to their usage. The nicotine found in e-cigs is the same nicotine used in the patch, gum, lozenge, traditional cigarettes and other smokeless tobacco products. It is usually no more than 3.6% of the liquid that gets vaporized. The remaining ingredients are propylene glycol (which is classified Generally Recognized As Safe by the FDA) and flavorings.

As I said in my previous comment, e-cigs are less efficient at delivering nicotine. Traditional cigarettes have many chemicals added to them that enhance the effects of the nicotine and are much better at getting people "hooked".

I am the father of a 14 year old son. He would have to steal my credit card to order an e-cig (I would see the charge on my statement), watch for the mailman so I wouldn't see the package, worry about charging batteries and filling cartridges, and keeping all these supplies hidden away. Or, he could simply bum some smokes from his friends that stole them from their smoking parents. Which is the more likely scenario?

The FDA is not "stepping up" here. If they want to regulate these products for safety and keep them out of the hands of children, they could do so today by classifying e-cigs as a tobacco product. Instead, they want to ban these products from being sold at all with no proof of harm. All the while, the much more harmful and deadly cigarettes remain legal and widely available. It is clearly not about the "welfare of America and her citizenry".

If the FDA were really concerned with our health and safety, they would stop wasting time and money trying to ban e-cigs and instead pull Chantix off the market. That stuff is FDA approved and regulated, but has caused people to kill themselves and harm others. That is the FDA at work, so you'll have to excuse me if I am wary of putting any trust in them to do the right thing.

Ummm, all they have to do is pass a tax on e-cigarettes, or expand the current ones to them...

People get upset when you raise taxes.

By stopping E-smokes, they collect taxes that have already been passed on real smokes.

You can't even die without paying additional taxes. Money you earned & paid taxes on while living are taxed again as estate/inheritance taxes...

I do feel for you, and I know comparing it to something like peanut allergies isn't apples to apples, but I think that's a bit of an overreaction on your part. Your health is important and I would hope a restaurant would have the courtesy of making sure they or you could stop a situation like that as soon as you see it. With that said, as a non-smoker I think this is a novel idea and a better alternative than cigarettes.

Oh please....allergic to nicotine? That's a new one on me....lol

Beside, the latest studies show there is barely any nicotine getting through an e cig. Even the person using it is getting a negligible amount.

If you truly are that allergic to nicotine then you are already dead and we don't have to worry about you any more. One can not enter or leave a supermarket on a regular basis without passing a smoker some of the times. The same holds true for almost any public venue in almost every state. Do you carry your Eppi pen in your hand at all times? How many times have you been to the emergency room this week due to nicotine poisoning. Your post reminds me of a politician explaining why the old cemetary must be moved and the new mall must go up.

Have you actually ever seen an e-cigarette in person and how it works? Have you read the studies done on the nicotine content?

Two studies, one by Health New Zealand and one by Virginia Commonwealth University, show that there is little to no nicotine in the inhaled/exhaled vapor. Most of the nicotine is absorbed by the user before it is exhaled.

And if you watch the exhaled vapor, it dissapates in a matter of seconds - it doesn't float long distances or linger in a room. Once it's exhaled, it dissapates so quickly that the chances of you inhaling ANY nicotine from an e-cigarette, even from a booth next to you, is practically zero. And if you did manage to inhale any it would be so diluted and in such minute amounts that it couldn't affect even the most sensative allergy.

Additionally, I hope that whatever you're eating in that restaurant doesn't contain tomatoes, potatoes or eggplant, either, since thay all contain nicotine, as well.

And no offense, but I have to question your story - how have you ever inhaled second-hand nicotine, without being exposed to cigarette smoke, to know that it would even affect you?

Bubble boy was allergic to everything but it would be impossible to eliminate from society all that ills him. A lot of people are allergic to peanuts so we can ban them.

I am allergic to alcohol in large doses. Where do we stop ADA compliancy

I have no idea whether or not you are truly allergic to nicotine. But I know that I am extremely allergic to scallops, and, yes, even the smell of scallops can trigger a potentially fatal reaction.

Here is what I don't do: I don't demand that others stop eating scallops. I don't go into restaurants and try to get scallops banned. I don't lecture other people about the risks they are taking with scallops (many people don't know that they are severely allergic until they end up in the hospital). I

n other words, I don't ask other people to change their behavior to make my life more comfortable and safe. I do take responsibility for myself, and make intelligent decisions. If it means I don't go into a particular restaurant, then so be it.

My advice: stop looking for government to solve your problems. Deal with them like an adult, and don't act like the world revolves around you, because it doesn't.

Personally, I'd love to see cigarettes wiped off the face of the earth...after watching my uncle, grandmother, great aunt, and father die gasping for breath from emphysema.

HOWEVER, these are not as bad as cigarettes, and would be a reasonable alternative. I'm sure big tobacco is fighting their sale, until they manage to invest or lock these e-cigarettes into buying their tobacco to extract the nicotine from.

I chose not to go into bars because I hated having to come home and shower before I could stand to sleep, the stench of the smoke makes me gag. And trying to enter a store or a mall was nearly as bad, having to run the gauntlet of smokers. Our state has now banned it for at least 25 feet from any entrance. Which still isn't enough, but it's better than it was...

I'm skeptical on the nicotine allergy that causes death even from a whiff, but nonetheless, these e-cigarettes need to be regulated the same as cigarettes are, and for the same reason

Do you eat potatoes or tomatoes? If so then you have a big problem as those contain nicotine in them naturally.

You want government to pass legislation, against a product that will save lives and healthcare costs, both in the hundreds of millions.... just for you and your obscure allergy?

Don't worry, I don't think the nicotine could get passed your enormously inflated ego to reach your nose... which is already waaaaay up in the air already.

Uhhh...everyone is allergic to nicotine. Its a deadly poison!

So is caffiene, but I don't see people giving up their coffee, tea and sodas. It's all a matter of dose, nicotine is no more dangerous than caffiene is when used in the small doses that are found in e-cigs. And medical research is actually proving that small amounts of nicotine daily is beneficial to many people suffering from depression, alzheimer's, parkinson's, ADHD, ADD and the list goes on. Anything you eat, drink or breathe can be deadly if taken in too large an amount.

Actually, unlike analog cigarettes, there is no second-hand smoke effects. This is a vapor that disappears within one, or two, seconds of exhaling. You cannot come in contact with the released vapor, unless someone stands within inches of you, and blows it into your face. Not to mention that the small amounts of nicotine in the e-cig, aren't released with the exhaled vapor.. Studies show this, but, still not "verified". So, no worries about your allergic reactions to nicotine.

i have allergies to seafood my throght swells up if i come into contact with it so maybe ill try to ban it from restraunts so i dont die why dont we all just sit in our houses and stop wining about how every little thing is not good enough . more laws to please the individual someday we all will live in isolation then no more bitching!!!!!

So you can't eat bell pepper and other foods that contain nicotine naturally?

get over yourself! you could just as easily die in a plane crash!

I'm allergic to selfish people that think the world should cater to them. Please do not eat in the same restaurant as me, as I might break in to a fit of cursing in your direction brought on by being in the general vicinity of your arrogant demeanor.

If you're not allergic to cigarette smoke as you state, how the hell are you allergic to nicotine? I certainly hope you don't live in a state that grows tobacco...you poor thing, you would die instantly!

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! YOU JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE DOING SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE! SUCH BULL@!$%#! BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF LIAR...BE VERY ASHAMED!

How do you figure that a vapor is going to kill you, one that you would never smell , barely see unless you actually saw someone using it an disipates instantly...that is just a crazy asumption....ignorance at its best!!! Not one of my non smoker friends says that they smell anything...they think it is great too!

I have an e cigarette...I think it is awesome. Most employers I know think they are great too...we can get our nicotine fix and continue working....win win for both!

nflusche...please see my response @comment #106 12;52Am 9/2 some how it got misplaced.

I'm allergic to shellfish, even in the air. So I don't go to seafood restaurants. Being allergic to nicotine in the air is more your problem than the smokers problem. Get over yourself.

nflusche...am I correct in assuming that you learned of this allergy when you were first exposed to second hand nicotine and died?

While I pretty much agree with all of the responses to this ridiculous post, please keep in mind that when a vapor dissapates it isn't gone, you just can't see it, like fog dissapating but still present as humidity.

I'm lost if a person is 'smoking' an e-cig, how does the nicotine effect you? I thought this was a smokeless product. If you are that sensitive, does that mean you can't be around ANY smoker since the nicotine stays in the person's hair skin and clothes.

actually i agree with you 100%,,i get so tired of people smoking those nasty cigeretts everywhere i go,,having them walk up to me and blowing their smoke in my face,,i once had 3 teenagers attack me and forceably hold me down while one stuck a smoke in my mouth and lit it and forced me to inhale.

i personally think they should round up everyone that smokes and destroy them in large ovens.

that brings me to perfume,,,i so cannot stand people that wear that stinky crap,,,everywhere i go i am forced to smell peoples stench

i was walking down the street one day when a bunch of teenagers attacked me and held me down and forceably sprayed that stinky crap on me

i personally think they should take everyone that wears perfume and and kill tham all and burn their bodies in large ovens.

and what about those people that eat red and green stuff,,,GOD i hate those people with all of their red stuff and their green stuff and always eating it

once when i was reading my morning paper i had these guys attack me and force me to eat a big bowl of red stuff

i think people that eat red and green stuff should be shot.

and dont even get me started on people that drive cars,,,oh those people really annoy me to no end,,always going here and there and honking their horns and acting like "hey look at me im so cool in my car man do i ever hate those people

they should take those people and burn them alive in there cars.

ECT,,ECT,,,ECT,,,ECT

bottom line is that some people are never truly happy unless they have something to bit,ch and moan about

anyone that dont live or believe the exact way they do are somehow less than human or are sooooo stupid

get over it ,,,,im going to go have a smoke probably 2 or 3 now that i think about it

irideon2wheels, That was freaking hilarious!!

I totally agree, I started on the e-cig (Red Dragon) Jan.13th, 2010 and haven't touched a real cig since.the money alone that I've saved is so worth it. I got back to working out and feel so much better. All those patches and pills never worked for me. The FDA and Big Tobacco and the Pharmaceutical Co's are just worried about the financial loss. I really hope they done regulate these to death, but I'm stocking up just in case.

I'm with you Mikay, I quit back in May on e-cigs after trying everything else on the planet...I know for a personal fact there isn't as much nicotine in an e-cig because I went thru withdrawels bigtime when I switched but because it simulated all my other reasons for smoking I was able to stick with it....I don't need work breaks anymore and my house and car don't smell like an ashtray....my white dogs aren't yellow from petting them anymore either

I have to admit e-cigs are working where as other methods have not. Also they have saved several friends from having total nicotine meltdowns while stuck in places where smoking is not allowed(like airports and while in the hospital)...

I'm researching which company to order mine from.... I've smoked about as much and as long as you...

which company did you go with?

Did you research a few before deciding?

Buyreddragon.com was what I went with

V... I'd suggest you do your research before buying one. Check out vapor talk forum. Lots of knowledgeable friendly vapors there. I too quit after 20 years of smoking. I feel amazing and I love vaping more than I did smoking.

I have a smart smoke...I love it! web asmartsmoke.com

I first bought my e-cig from a local smoke shop...I then ordered them for friends and family members from www.dinodirect.com..I used their free shipping so it took several weeks for them to arrive...The cost was half for what I paid for my first one at the local smoke shop and you could also order refill filters which the local smoke shop could not keep in stock.

v... I purchased my e cig from Domestic Vapor online. Can't say whether or not it is a good thing. (first time buyer) I took about 8 hours to research this online. I found that looking at the sites that sell them are the worst places to go. (they all say theirs is the best) I went to several e cig forums & read many comments on which were their favs & which they had problems with. Some even had surveys of many brands in which their members voted on their favs. I found that the Joye eGo is by far the most popular. It doesnt really look like a cig though. People are saying that after about a week of using one that looks like a cig, that they switch to e cigs like eGo's because the problems they have. They don't have but 2-3 hours of battery time...they quit working quickly, not enough vapor...on & on. The eGo is supposed to work better for longer, has great vapor, & a battery that can last all day. I wanted to spend my money on something that would work the best. I figured, the people on the forums already paid for their mistakes on ordering...why should I. Happy hunting! :-)

Nicotine is NOT a "major causal factor" of those diseases. It may have greater effects on those already at risk of heart disease/stroke, but in most people it acts as a mild stimulant and temporarily increases blood pressure. Many people mistake that for hypertension, which IS a major causal factor in those diseases mentioned, but nicotine does not cause permanent hypertension. It's effects are temporary and dissapate shortly after use.

Nicotine, as a stimulant, has the same health risks as caffeine. Anyone who shouldn't be using caffeine should also avoid nicotine.

Nice try, though.

god i know right? i cant believe that these people dont see that these things are so bad for them,,,

i mean how dare they sit there and make decisions for themselves about what they want to do with their own bodies,,,the nerve and gall of some people.

i make a motion that we put you in charge of everyones bodies and what they can and cant do with or to themselves.

i for one completely feel that im not near old enough at 42 years old to make my own decisions and deside what i want to do to my own body

im sure glad that there are people like you out there that know whats good for me and i welcome your input as well as your laws and regulations to keep me in line so as i dont hurt myself.

if it wasnt for people like you there might be a lot of people on this planet actually able to make their own choices about their own bodies,,,thank you agian from the bottom of my tar covered nicotine stained heart

Thank you so much for your factual reply and for giving a website for more information. Many of us know it's all about the money. The rest are just stupid.

superbly said

"It's all about the money?" I don't understand that. Who's losing money? There's tons of new companies out there making these, and they're making money.

Are you saying the cigarette manufacturers are losing money? So far no one has posted anything saying Philip Morris or any other cigarette manufacturer disagrees with this cigarette--they're probably trying to create one to sell as well!

Who else is losing money from this? Someone mentioned tax money. So just tax them.

This argument doesn't make any sense to me. If someone can point out some facts pointing to this being a money issue, please post them: Who is losing money, how much, and why.

Otherwise, it's just inciting (NOT insightful).

I learned a long time ago to not believe ANYTHING ANY government agency says.

"Who's losing money?"

The government, the anti-smoker groups, the tobacco companies, NRT pharmacuetical companies (J&J, Pfizer, GSK, etc.), the FDA, the States' Childrens Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP), etc.

So far this year, tobacco taxes add up to nearly 23 billion dollars. http://www.nocigtax.com/

Biskit.

The truth of the matter is that these groups opposing e-cigarettes are not disclosing important conflicts of interest. Every opposition group - the American Lung Association, the American Cancer Society, Tobacco-free Kids, etc - get their funding largely from pharmaceutical companies that make nicotine cessation products.

E-cigarettes, should they be allowed on the market, would be in direct competition with Big Pharma.

Doesn't that seem a HUGE conflict of interest to you?

The testimonial from e-cigarette users largely account multiple attempts to quit with nicotine treatments like gums and patches or drugs like Chantix. Numerous, peer-reviewed studies show that the success rate for these products are 7-10%. That means they fail up to 93% of the time and the consumer returns to smoking. Yet these groups continue to shill their benefactors' drugs as "effective" treatments. How many other products would you buy that are PROVEN to fail 93% of the time?

E-cigarette users, on the other hand, are reporting a 70-80% switch (quit) rate. They are no longer on the Big Pharma smoke-quit-smoke rollercoaster - a BILLION-DOLLAR ride. And thousands of smokers are joining them every day.

Additionally, governments are increasingly dependent (addicted, even) upon tobacco tax revenue. They've burned through the tobacco settlements and they have earmarked billions of tobacco taxes to programs that have nothing to do with smoking issues. Numerous states have recently RAISED tobacco taxes again this year and are even attempting to raise taxes on the relatively low-risk smokeless tobacco products to increase revenue.

Personally, I don't think Big Tobacco has been behind any of the opposition. It's win-win for them, because they are the source of the nicotine in all of the products - so they can sell to e-cigs or Big Pharma. And once people finally start learning about the lies they've been told about the risks of smokeless tobacco, many smokers may even make the switch to those products, too. so, the biggest losers are Big Pharma, their paid "health groups" and legislative bodies hooked on tobacco taxes. Rumor has it that one tobacco company has already invested in an e-cigarette company, as well.

So, there you go - follow the money.

But it's not all about money, either. Some anti-smoking advocates have become so zealous, that ANYTHING tobacco related or non-pharmaceutical nicotine has come into their crosshairs. And because they can't get cigarettes banned, due to an act of Congress, they go after every other related product they can.

Unfortunately, many of those products they are trying to ban are actually 98-99% safer than cigarettes and they are too blinded by their zeal to see that their actions are actually HURTING the public, rather than protecting them.

Amen. Let the G-men do something useful, like testing edible panties.

Agree. If it works it sure can't be worse than the avg cig. I may try it myself because these nic lozenges really suck.

because the FDA has a great track record How many Drug recalls are there every year?

Let the e cigs go and than the States can sue the manufactures for "Death and sickness "like they did for the Big Tobacco co's Billions to be made here and which State doesn't need Billions as they all sold their Tobacco settlements

Gonna have me an e-beer....and an e-joint...get the e-munchies then scarf down some e-pizza...drunk dial my e-ex-girlfriend...then have pretend e-sex with my e-hand....reading my e-mail at my e-job.

Kansascity,

The FDA has already tested these and all they could find in them was trace carcinogens in some of the cartridges (the same found in the FDA-approved nicotine patch) and one contaminated cartridge with a non-toxic level of one chemical (which they exaggerated as "anti-freeze.")

They didn't find any other toxic chemicals. They didn't find dangerous levels of carcinogens.

In the 4+ years they have been on the market, there have been no reports on the FDA Medwatch of any injury or illness related to e-cigarette use. I checked a couple of weeks ago and since the FDA warning was issued in July 2009, only TWO reports were made - one reported depression and one reported blurry vision (hardly deadly.) During that same period, there have been HUNDREDS of reports against FDA-approved smoking cessation products.

How much more proof do they need?

The FDA is the one standing in the way.

If they would catagorize e-cigarettes as tobacco products, federal law would instantly make them illegal to sell to minors and they can be regulated the same as cigarettes. Yet they are so intent on getting them off the market, to protect Big Pharma IMO, that they will only consider them as drug delivery devices - which would immediately make them illegal to sell until some company can afford the huge cost of funding and spends 7+ years testing them as smoking cessation devices. Except, the FDA considers smoking cessation to be nicotine cessation and these weren't designed for that. It's a wicked catch 22 calculated to take away the competition.

You make a point KansasCity "Heck, kids enhale spray paint so they certainly would try these if unregulated. Also, e-cigs may be less dangerous than real ones but that doesnt mean they are safe. Let the FDA find out what they really are and regulate accordingly."

I'd take that there spray paint and immediately take it off the market. Have the FDA insist that the manufactures spend millions of dollars and 10 years to prove that the spray paint is safe for those kids to inhale. Then they can bring back the one color that the FDA decides is safe and charge $150 a can.

The FDA knows what is in E liquid. They've tested it and know that the same carcinogens that are in them are in nic lozenges, patches and gum, at the same levels. They can regulate them as a consumer product, which it is. They can limit the marketing all within their current powers.

Instead, they want to make them go away to protect their client, the pharmaceutical industry.

Nicotine is not the problem with cigarettes (As alcohol is the problem with drinks) it;s the TAR and other additives added Nicotine spikes the blood pressure as does caffine in coffee

which makes the heart work harder and make you feel alert the additives are what kill over a long time (as opposed to a gun shot which kills instantlly)

It makes me so angry that the government is trying to ban E-cigarretes because I have witnessed first hand the success my father has had with them and how much it has improved his life and our relationship. I always wanted him to quit and he tried everything but just couldn't. The E-cig seems to be the next best thing to quitting. The government's attempted reach into the private lives of citizens has gotten out of hand.

It sounds like their are many other success stories out there. I am very happy for your success with E-cigarrete Joe!!

Holy crap! The prices for those kits are outrageous! $165 for a starter kit?!

Do some research on sites like http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com to find a model you'd like to try, and use one of the vendors registered there. You'll pay MUCH less.

I agree 100%... go to http:www.e-cigarette-forum.com and educate yourself prior to making a purchase. There is a ton of info there...

Knew this would happen though... the worst of the worst e-cig dealers start spamming here. SHEESH!!!

So far I haven't ran into that problem..but I tend to be discreet when using my e-cig...I have a horror of a child seeing me appear to be smoking...I recently got stuck on the runway on an airplane after a two hour flight. When they said it would probably be about an hour before we would be off the plane...I took my e-cig to the lavatory...a couple of puffs, returned to my seat and a little over a hour later walked off the plane a lot happier than 99 percent of my fellow travelers.

smae thing with me I was doing all kinds of preparing to try and quit and when i got it in the mail 3 days had passed and I hadnt smoked but one cig. I tried multiple times getting hypmotized, patch pills, gum, I started when i was 12 so I grew up smoking and dont know how to go about things without including cigs. These things are a life saver, to say the least. My reason for posting is because if you play with different cartridges and drop levels and potency levels you can actually make taste dead on like a cigarette.