Now repeat the study in poor countries where people struggle to get enough food to eat. Are children with the antibody in those poor countries obese as well?
Or is the answer as simple as the possibility that children in the USA who are fed far too much of the wrong foods are both: a) obese and b) less healthy because of a poor diet and thus more likely to become ill from the virus and therefore more likely to have the antibody in their systems?
Its more like they get the cold virus because they're fat. Not the other way around. They're fat 'cause they eat too much! The parents allow it to happen. Absolutely correct, too much junk food in this country and not enough exercise!
This is just more of your typical sophomoric, apologist media spinning that the Establishment feeds us! Oh no, obesity in kids couldn't POSSIBLY have ANYTHING to do with diet and exercise, RIGHT????
Gimme a break! I think the issue here is that kids today are participating in far less exercise than in past generations (even as P.E. programs and recess breaks are going by the wayside), the quality of our food supply is horrendous, and kids do not have any idea as to healthy living. The food industry and the healthcare industry (and I'm a doctor!) completely ignore the beneficial effects of proper exercise and a non-tainted food supply. If you don't believe me, follow the money.
Basically, an increase in high-fat, high-carb diets, based mainly on corn, causes children to spike insulin levels unnaturally, which causes a hypoglycemic condition in which their body starves for more food as they feel the need to re-supply their blood sugar. Unfortunately, our food supply is nearly void of any real nutrition, so their little bodies continuously eat and eat, but cannot get enough of the real phytonutrients that our bodies need to encourage normal metabolic activity. Two results of this are decreased metabolism and obesity, as well as decreased immune function due to the damage to the endocrine system. Inactivity also causes this process to progress more rapidly. A loss in immunologic function easily relates to a greater risk of "catching" microbial disease, thus the correlation of obesity and rhinovirus.
Obviously there is too much junk food and too little exercise however my last year of college I got really sick then gained about 70 lbs in six months ( I went from 123 to 193 lbs and I am 5'9") There was "nothing wrong with me medically" according to the blood tests however my metabolism dropped drastically. I had to keep food calorie consumption to around 800 calories per day and exercise like crazy. I finally lost most of the weight but ever since then I have to keep a super close eye on my weight or I gain quickly. I think there might be something to this.
(AND I KNOW THAT YOU PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT OVERWEIGHT KIDS ARE SITTING ON YOUR BIG FAT MIDDLE-AGE BUTTS RIGHT NOW EATING JUNK WHILE YOU SURF THE INTERNET :) Go out and run --that is where I am headed right now.
Have you looked at the ingredientsin a can of food; my God, the can itself is better for you than what is in the can ! ( and we still pay a .o1 cts luxury tax on canned food to help pay for world war 1 )
To the dissapointment of MSNBC it is good to see the reading public do not believe everything they read, always remain skeptical of what the media tries to force on your brains!
I might have been willing to entertain the idea until they said "35 more lbs than other kids who were obese but didnt have the antibody".
To me this reads that these kids were obese to begin with, and perhaps getting sick made being obese that much harder....and made weight gain that much easier.
However, aside from Kallie's testimony of getting mysteriously sick followed by a 70 lbs weight gain in 6 months...we are lacking serious evidence of this type of weight gain. Even with Kallie's example, one can easily assume that she's underestimating just how much her habits truly changed following being sick. I cant fathom she was just as active and eating just as well as she was before being sick, as she was post being sick. Maybe the illness accounted for 10 lbs, but not all 70...and since most humans are very objective about their own personal faults, we arent likely to find the truth short of trapping humans in boxes to study for longer than a few days.
Why was there no "obesity epidemic" (child or adult) until recently? Could it possibly be that children played outdoors, did chores, and didn't sit in front of any kind of entertainment screen for 5-6 hours a day? Could it be that parents fed their children well-balanced meals that included fruits and vegetables?
Could it be that children and adults didn't consume bags of chips AFTER a full dinner of KFC/McDonalds (whatever), French fries, and high-sugar, high-fat dipping sauces??
Nah, it must be that people today are fat because of a cold virus. Way to go!! Enable people by giving them yet another excuse for their own faulty behaviors and poor choices.
Aspartame doesn't cause obesity. Neither does fast food, over eating, or lack of exercise. Exercising doesn't automatically force your body to start using stored fat for energy, it tends to make us hungry. People aren't fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're fat.
Eating the wrong types of foods in the wrong quantities will cause most people to gain fat. The USDA started recommending people eat a diet high in grains and vegetable oils back in the 1970's. Since then we've gotten fatter, and heart disease became our number one killer. People who switch to eating carbohydrates from only vegetables and some fruit, and eating more fat show better blood test results, body fat percentage and overall health.
Don't believe me - try it. Search around for people like Dr. Michale Eades, Gary Taubes or Mark Sisson. If you think Fast Food causes obesity, look up a documentary called "Fathead."
Yes, whatever we can blame to avoid ANY sense of personal responsibility for our kids' health and welfare. I'm sorry, but this is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel to rationalize kids being fat, blaming it on the cold virus. As others pointed out, it's most likely that these kids' unhealthy eating habits, and possibly other unhealthy factors fostered by irresponsible parents who would have the nerve to blame the colds for their kids being fat, that leads to both their kids' obesity and poor overall health.
I think it's most likely that the kids' parents are to blame for both their kids being fat and their kids having colds, but like most people in our society, these parents are too full of themselves and not responsible enough to look in the mirror and assign blame where it is most due.
I'm not sure if scapegoating a common virus for obesity is more pathetic or hilarious.
There are a lot of possible causes of obesity. Too little exercise is an obvious one and so is too much junk food. But if the children had a sudden weight gain, it could be a virus.
Have you ever noticed the list of ingredients in food? I am trying to cut down on foods with ingredients that are not natural. I quit using margarine and am experimenting with sour cream instead of mayonnaise. Even if I don't lose the 20 lbs that I want to lose, maybe I will avoid cancer.
Please explain how these kids became more "susceptible." These kids had the antibodies, indicating that their bodies had fought off this virus. The other kids did NOT have the antibodies, indicating that they had not been exposed to this virus, and therefore had not fought it off. Are you suggesting that there is some other form of fighting off viruses that is outside of the currently understood antibody mechanism?
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Talk about another excuse people will have. I simply don't believe it, my BS radar is going off like crazy. Don't you believe it either, trust your common sense, folks.
I wish people would recognize that its possible obesity has more than one cause. There may be mulitple contributing factors. I have the unfortunate experience of developing an allergy to temperature variations as well as basically to myself all caused by a virus. I went from being able to run 5 miles a day, was on the track team, was able to eat anything I wanted; to gaining 60 lbs in 4 months while restricting calories to 1200/ day. I have to eat fewer than 760 calories a day just to maintain my weight, less if I want to lose any. To lose just a pound safely it takes me 35 days of reducing my diet by 100 calories because I need basic nutrients to stay alive. Not everyone has full control of what happens to make them gain weight. Who would ever think that a virus could have such a huge impact on your life
McDonald's doesn't cause obesity. Check Youtube for clips from a documentary called "FatHead." The guy eats only fast food (mostly McDonalds) for a month and loses weight, his HDL goes up, LDL becomes patter A (which is good) and his triglycerides go down. The trick was he didn't eat more than 100g of carbohydrates a day.
Duder, I see your point but I look at cause and effect....When I was growing up it was rare to eat at restaurants and I can't think of a single fat kid all the way thru middle school I also don't remember any of us super sizing anything much less soda pop and french fries...those were rare treats when I was growing up
Michelle's got it right. Not only the menu has changed, but what's in the menu as well. Pumping chickens and cows full of steroids and growth harmones was unknown when I was a kid growing up. Now their use is ubiquitous. Genetically altered plants were also unheard of then, and now most everything you eat is genetically altered, chemically altered, and mostly unnatural.
You are what you eat. This obesity epidemic is proof that the altered foods we eat are unhealthy.
The article didn't say----are these kiddos from rural or urban areas? Being stacked in poorly built apartments may be one cause of the virus ---too many people---too little space---too little air to breathe.
COUPLED with sooooo much fast food-----soooooo little time add to that
lexi --- I understand the point you're trying to make about close quarters in apartments. But, there have always been apartment buildings and low-income households in the USA and throughout the world, and the majority of people weren't obese. They ate healthful foods within their monetary means ... not junk food as is what occurs today. They might have made an inexpensive chicken dinner one night and used the leftovers to make a hearty soup another night. Not so today. When they want chicken today? There's KFC.
Obesity isn't only a problem in the USA anymore. There's a rise in obesity even in Asia, particularly Japan, where diets had been mostly fish, rice, vegetables, and fruits until the fast food industry invaded those countries as well.
As always, it's really a matter of personal choices. But I can't believe "research" that points to a virus as a valid cause for an obesity epidemic. Personally, I can't believe any of the reasons why people of any socio-economic or weight category even catch so many more colds today than 25 years ago. I still tend to go with lifestyle and food intake over "there are more viruses" as the culprit.
The problem is finding the "right foods." Beef now is fundamentally different than it was 40 years ago. Same with potatoes, tomatos, and lettuce. The meat you eat is chalked full of antibiotics, growth harmones and steroids. Vegetables and fruits are being genetically altered for higher yields, richer colors, more disease resistance, etc., but those genetic effects aren't supposed to affect us as well? Don't bet on that.
Yep, 40 years ago it was so much better, nope we didn't spray the crap out our with food poisons like DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) or any thing unhealthy like that. We didn't use lead in our water pipes or paint or anything stupid like that. Nope not in the good old days.
This idea that our food and our environment was somehow cleaner back then in the "good old days" is a myth. People dumped who knows what, where ever, and when ever they liked, and it was LEGAL. We didn't have any stupid environmental laws that got in the way of profits. We had rivers that were so full of crap that they caught fire.
Well, considering they said they found that the virus actually promotes the addition of the actual fat cells, and that it makes changes in the body, I certainly believe it. I'm a fat guy who for years and years have watched my best efforts to lose weight fail while people I know eat more, do less, and stay thin. People who are thin always think the worst of fat people. It's always the simple answer. Well, no. It's just not that simple.
This goes to show how easy you can manipulate science. They are basing their assumption off of correlation, it is ridiculous. Obese people are more likely to get sick because their immune systems are suppressed. What have you tried? The only way your gonna lose weight is to get rid of grains and sugars in your diet because of their effect on insulin and get your heart rate up with interval cardio training. Regular cardio may not work. Some thin people are genetically programmed for their bodies to be thin, its just the way it is. Some people have a harder time with weight, thats just the way it is. This is just a scapegoat for people and another way for medicine to push another vaccine that will just further hurt our health and line pharmas pockets.
Well, considering they said they found that the virus actually promotes the addition of the actual fat cells
Which could just as easily be explained by fat causing colds, depending on what answer you want. Would be more interesting if these pseudo-scientists studied how the cold virus mutated from the 50's and 60's to now concentrate in the middle of the body.
Interesting theories, but what has been researched points to multiple causes, not just one. This virus is just one part of a much bigger picture. America is not overly populated by people who are lazy and eat bad food. Although it can be part of it, there is something else going on that is not affecting most of the rest of the world.
I'm at least glad that someone is looking into it. Genetics proved that there are genes involved. Biologists have proven that gut flora is also involved, and now this shows that a virus may also be a part of the picture. It makes a lot of sense to me.
Hi Dennis-816242 --- I'd like to share my husband's pursuit of weight loss with you. He soared to 275 (6'1") and tried multiple "diets" - low/almost no carb and tiny meals (I thought he'd starve to death) to eat-all-you-want protein but nothing else. With each of these radical diets, he sure did lose weight ... through deprivation. As soon as he tried to increase with "normal food" he started gaining again.
He's finally gotten down to 205 (and holding) with just sensible eating of all food categories. Grains/pasta are only whole ones (read the labels ... not everything marked "whole" is real - they add caramel to make it look brown). They're not too tasty, but you can doctor them up with herbs and spicing that don't add calories.
His goal is 195, but he's at a plateau. Nothing as worked so far to jump-start his metabolism for that last mile, even though he's an avid cyclist (>50 miles/week) and monitors his heart rate.
If I may suggest ... look into Weight Watchers. They have a very good track record, because they advocate an eating lifestyle change through regular foods, not a "diet," and it's coupled with exercise.
It's very true that genetics play a part in our bodies' metabolism make-up and memory. I'm not sure that I agree about a virus ... yet. I'm very suspicious of more vaccines. We innoculate ourselves to the hilt as it is.
Dennis - I'll echo healthchoices comment and add to it:
Eat little to no sugar, and cut grains (yes, even those "heart healthy" grains which are anything but). You'll have to get your calories by adding more fat to your diet - yes, fat. I'm talking about good fats like SATURATED and monounsaturated fats - stuff like clean, Organic, grass fed beef, coconut and coconut oil, avocado, butter and the only polunsaturated fats should come from fish and flax.
Stop eating vegetable and seed oils like Canola, Soybean, safflower and margarine. Those cause inflammation, which causes heart disease.
Whole grains are proven to lower LDL... big deal, they also cause Pattern B LDL, which is a small dense particle that causes inflammation. Whole grains also are proven to lower HDL and increase triglycerides - both of those characteristics are associated with heart disease.
Exercise isn't that important to weight loss. It's great for overall health, but your diet is key to weight loss. To lose weight, you need to use up that stored fat. Exercise doesn't really force your body to use stored fat for energy if it's used to getting energy from carbohydrates. You need to "force" your body to use stored fat, and that happens with diet - not exercise.
Nobody yet is pointing a finger at the food we do eat.
What I said above bears repeating:
Beef now is fundamentally different than it was 40 years ago. Same with potatoes, tomatos, and lettuce. The meat you eat is chalked full of antibiotics, growth harmones and steroids. Vegetables and fruits are being genetically altered for higher yields, richer colors, more disease resistance, etc., but those genetic effects aren't supposed to affect us as well? Don't bet on that
The Duder ... it's funny that you push saturated fat (cream, cheese, butter) but you omit olive oil, which is known to be the healthiest of fats.
There is nothing wrong with whole grains if one knows how to choose them correctly. They are very healthy and are a boon to weight loss and good health.
You also eliminated vegetables and fruits, which are also healthful sources good nutrition.
Everything in balance, everything in moderation, become knowledgeable from factual websites, and read labels.
Re: the website http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fats/ -- quite frankly, any website that offers contests and freebies isn't very scientific. A renowned hospital or scientific website is much more reliable and credible. Some of the info on your website is correct, some is wrong.
Further .... exercise is proven to help with weight loss and toning. I don't know where you get your junk science no exercise info from.
As for sugar, I read "Sugar Babies" in the late 80's and had a family history of Diabetes, so I actively cut sugar from my normal diet.
The best diet I found so far was the Atkins diet. Low carb will work for me. The point I was trying to make is that there are several factors. One is genetics. One look at my family and you can see the resemblance. Another factor they found was gut flora. Shortly after that you saw all the "probiotics" come to market. Now, here are a couple of viruses that may also contribute. AND, yes fast food is detrimental as well. And yes, a sedentarysedentsary lifestyle doesn't help. But there are plenty of people in the same field, doing the same job, living the same kind of life who are thin. So I know, from my own experience, that there are multiple factors.
Everything is a caused by a virus these days isn't it? We're all the victim of a viruses.You want to know why? Because the new money maker in pharma is vaccines. Govn't immunity. Govn't marketed. Govn't enforced. You're tax dollars paying for it. It's a pharma win win bonanza.
Only one problem. Those pesky people speaking out about the truth on vaccines.
At age 6 months when my granddaughter got her first vaccination, she immediately started screaming (not the normal crying) AND TURNED BLUE! The doctor had to take emergency action. So don't tell me there aren't often things in the vaccines... or even other shots... that are damaging! Also, I know a person whose son was perfectly normal until about age 2 when he got a shot for an infection. He is now 13, severely autistic, and has never spoken a word!
Dennis, my friend, don't even THINK of bringing up the vaccine/autism debate here on this thread! I think you'll find the majority of people responding to this thread are aware of the correlation between vaccines and PPD disorders.
Despite what the corrupted officials at the Federal Death Administration are telling us, there is obviously a link between autism and certain vaccines, though I believe the exact cause has yet to be found. We have the "smoking gun", but not the bullets yet, so to speak. There is far too much in the way of correllary data and circumstantial evidence to just systematically deny the link between the two. The government obviously doesn't want a link to be found because it would implicate the government in a massive vaccine injury claims explosion since it is the government that attempts to mandate vaccines in the first place. If the truth were told, the government, and possibly Big Pharma, would be inundated with claims payables. Since money trumps common sense in this country, our Establishment will do anything to disparage ideas about a vaccine/PPD correlation.
I often poke at controversy. The majority of people on the planet also believe a big man in the sky is watching over us every minute of every day.
All I know for certain is that it is a controversy, and the FDA is not filled with people meaning you harm. Beyond that, I do not know. Anecdotal evidence is how we get the belief that the moon affects behavior. It gives us superstition. It can also provide valuable insight to certain conditions.
Just FYI, the man who started the whole autism/vaccine controversy (Andrew Wakefield) had his medical license revoked and that particular study was retracted from Lancet. 10 of his co-authors also renounced the published data.
Yes, autism is both heart-wrenching and terribly confusing. However, using anecdotal evidence to link it to vaccines in spite of much scientific evidence to the contrary is not helpful to anyone. In fact, It is destructive of the herd immunity that protects our children from some particularly awful (but preventable) childhood diseases.
Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.
Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.
Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits.
The following day, on 31 March 2007, an MRI scan was taken of Bailey’s brain, which was interpreted by the treating radiologist, Bret Sleight, M.D., as “most consistent with a demyelinating process of immune etiology such as may be seen with ADEM or perhaps post-vaccination.” Pet. Ex. 4 at 36-37.
The Court found, supra, that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was not too remote, but was rather a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.
@ Robert-1126350 -- Re: Hannah and Bailey --- While it's very unfortunate that both of these children have devastating problems, you provided no evidence that their problems are scientifically proven to have been caused by vaccines. A one-sided CBS "news article" and a one-sided legal brief?? What about "the other side?"
In Hannah's case, if her parents were responsible enough to bring a child into this world, they should have educated themselves enough to keep abreast of what vaccines were appropriate and when they should have been administered. No ethical doctor administers 9 at one time, and the parents seem to have played "the victim card" by allowing the doctor to do what happened. IMO, both parents and physician are at fault for a child's lifelong disabilities. The parents for not educating themselves, and the doctor for either being ignorant or greedy. I can't say, because you didn't provide enough information.
At any rate, the article that accompanies this thread discusses childhood OBESITY, not vaccines or autism.
You're certainly free to "say no" when your child's pediatrician recommends vaccines, but be aware that unless you do very high level research and not rely on junk science, you could severely compromise your child's entire life if he/she contracts a disease that would have been prevented IF the child had been innoculated.
It's proven that the risks of possible vaccine problems are far less than the devastating lifelong problems that result if the child is NOT innoculated.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have loved to have been able to get vaccinated against polio, had the vaccine existed at that time.
The same for John A. Roebling, designer of the Brooklyn Bridge. He died from tetanus.
OSAKA (Kyodo) The government and a research center affiliated with Osaka University were handed a court order Thursday to pay a total of 155 million yen to the families of two children who died or suffered side effects after receiving the MMR vaccine.
In Hannah's case, if her parents were responsible enough to bring a child into this world, they should have educated themselves enough to keep abreast of what vaccines were appropriate and when they should have been administered
Her dad is a medical doctor in neurology and also has a PhD. Her mother is an attorney. I think they're educated enough.
And the pro forced mass vaccine side says that vaccines are sooo safe that one can get 10,000 of them. So the 9 isn't too much for them. They need for people to believe this farce because more vaccines are coming down the pipe including a vaccine for obesity.
I said responsible. Educated doesn't mean responsible.
Now you're implying something that you can't back up. Their is no reason to believe Dr. and Mrs. Poling are irresponsible parents. The followed the CDC recommended schedule. Do you think the vaccine schedule is irresponsible. You may have a point there.
My children are now young adults, and there were fewer immunizations at the time of the person you're trying to discuss (as it was in her time as well).
Why would parents follow CDC when they take their children to pediatricians? Pediatricians are the specialists.
I'd like to remind you again that this article and thread are about a very inept "study" trying to link childhood obesity to a common cold virus and NOT about tested, recognized and approved immunizations by the AAP.
I'd like to remind you again that this article and thread are about a very inept "study" trying to link childhood obesity to a common cold virus and NOT about tested, recognized and approved immunizations by the AAP
And I am arguing that this article IS not about a silly virus, but the about the silly idea of a vaccine to treat obesity. How absurd does that sound? A vaccine for obesity? This is a "seed" article to warm people up to the idea that a vaccine makes sense. It is not the first article they've done.
Now I seem to remember some adage from my mother when I was young about feeding a cold and starving a flu or something. I wonder if the scientists took this into account when evaluating their statistics.
Isnt that the American way? We are always a "victim" of somthing aren't we? It never has anything to do with parents and/or individual responsibility does it ?
That's funny. I personally have never been victimized by the government. I have been victimized by businesses however. Things that I could not have prevented on my end.
This is one of the stupidist things I've read lately! I recently went to my 50th high school reunion where we had many pictures of "long ago." Not ONE person in the pictures was overweight! We didn't have TV, video games, computers is one of the answers. We found things to do that required more than sitting in a chair! I'm not saying all the technology is bad... just that it has to be in moderation with children and used as a SUPPLEMENT to activity... not their ONLY activity. Oh... and by the way... we ALSO had colds in the "olden days."
Viruses mutate. That's why they have to make different vaccines for the flu every year. The article didn't say that the virus is causing all the obesity in children, but maybe some of it. It is also possible that overweight children are more vulnerable to certain viruses. They don't know yet. Viruses can do very strange things to the human body. Although kids still need to eat better food and exercise or run around more. I worked at an elementary school where recess was eliminated and the kids who were unable to sit still for extended periods of time were punished by being made to sit outside up against a wall for their one recess at lunch time. Having them run around the building a few times would have worked better. I feel they were being taught to be sedentary.
I agree - we should stop researching multiple causes of obesity - kids today are just fat lazy video game addicts. To further your logic, we should stop researching Alzheimer's too. It's obvious that old people just get more and more stupid because they're not thinking enough.
What is making, or helping kids to be fat is the fact that parents let them sit in the house, watch the idiot box and play video games. Get out and play!!!! Quit coddeling to these kids, be 'real' parents, kick them in the butt and tell them to get out of the house!! Get them involved in some kind of activity. Don't be a lazy parent, get involved in your child's wefare!!! Quit waiting for the government to do something, take responsibility for the puppies you pushed out.
This is weird...my kids don't have the virus but I do limit their exposure to the virus. It is often found in a "Drive Through" and at places that use words like "would you like to make it a combo?".
What is the disease called McDonaldistis? Parents stop feeding your children fast food, stop eating out at restaurants every night, stop eating foods and drinking drinks filled with high fructose corn syrup. And actually cook your meals at home, we all work hard, my parents both worked full time jobs yet my mom managed to cook dinner every night and my father would cook on weekends to give her a break. It is possible. People don't have to be fat, especially children.
This is entirely possible since the common cold is a recent virus and coincides with the recent trend symmetrical height and width. The trend of stuffing Big Macs and parking in front of video games while avoiding sunlight during daytime hours was ruled out as a factor.
Was this study funded by the fast food industry? Wake Up American, this has to be the last straw. Don't let these "scientists" invent more reasons for pharmaceutical companies to create more medications.
It seems more likely to me that obese children, who have greater stresses to their immune systems, are simply catching more colds; so they are more likely to have caught this particular virus. The article does mention this possibility in one little sentence, then spends the rest of the article talking about the other version of the story. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
There truly are some, rare, conditions that cause obesity. But mostly, it's too much food and too little exercise.
Saying the virus may cause obesity is ridiculous. That fat kids have antibodies is a coincidence; attributing cause & effect does not follow directly. The opposite may even be true. Unhealthy, underexcercised, overfed, fat kids may get more colds, with obesity causing the increase in the antibodies seen.
Is anyone else tired of being insulted? "Outside experts cautioned that the new research doesn’t prove that the virus causes weight gain — it’s entirely possible that obese kids are just more likely to get the virus." DUH!!!!!
I know right people read the fine print its says right there they dont know for sure. Besides it seems its only a small percent of people others its probly no exercise and fatty foods and sugar.
My kid has had a cold every year since birth. BUT, he's involved in sports, doesn't drink soda and isn't allowed to snack between dinner and breakfast and he's not fat. Go figure. Hmmm, wonder why that is?
Think maybe parents have to bear the brunt of why their kids are overweight? I wonder how many tax-payer dollars were spent to determine this malarkey.
are you kidding me?WHO ARE THESE LUNATICS, who come out with these garbage theories.? holy crap, i can do alot better than that. these people scientist? GIVE ME A BREAK FOR gOD SAKES!
Submitting a proposal on how to make more people victims is a sure way of getting a grant. In defense of the brain trust pulling this wisdom out, they had to study virus's since they couldn't get an intelligible survey answer around the mouth full of Big Mac.
The name of the virus is "Fast Food."
In other news, a new more deadly strain of the cold virus has been discovered. Scientists are calling it the "KFC double down sandwich". More at 5.
This is total BS. Kids are fat because they eat too much, eat too many of the wrong foods, and do not get the exercise they need. Period.
Now repeat the study in poor countries where people struggle to get enough food to eat. Are children with the antibody in those poor countries obese as well?
Or is the answer as simple as the possibility that children in the USA who are fed far too much of the wrong foods are both: a) obese and b) less healthy because of a poor diet and thus more likely to become ill from the virus and therefore more likely to have the antibody in their systems?
Its more like they get the cold virus because they're fat. Not the other way around. They're fat 'cause they eat too much! The parents allow it to happen. Absolutely correct, too much junk food in this country and not enough exercise!
This is just more of your typical sophomoric, apologist media spinning that the Establishment feeds us! Oh no, obesity in kids couldn't POSSIBLY have ANYTHING to do with diet and exercise, RIGHT????
Gimme a break! I think the issue here is that kids today are participating in far less exercise than in past generations (even as P.E. programs and recess breaks are going by the wayside), the quality of our food supply is horrendous, and kids do not have any idea as to healthy living. The food industry and the healthcare industry (and I'm a doctor!) completely ignore the beneficial effects of proper exercise and a non-tainted food supply. If you don't believe me, follow the money.
Basically, an increase in high-fat, high-carb diets, based mainly on corn, causes children to spike insulin levels unnaturally, which causes a hypoglycemic condition in which their body starves for more food as they feel the need to re-supply their blood sugar. Unfortunately, our food supply is nearly void of any real nutrition, so their little bodies continuously eat and eat, but cannot get enough of the real phytonutrients that our bodies need to encourage normal metabolic activity. Two results of this are decreased metabolism and obesity, as well as decreased immune function due to the damage to the endocrine system. Inactivity also causes this process to progress more rapidly. A loss in immunologic function easily relates to a greater risk of "catching" microbial disease, thus the correlation of obesity and rhinovirus.
Breaking News! Norovirus aids in weight loss!
That's right folks. People who show antibodies of norovirus infections display lessened appetites and can lose 5 lbs in only 2 days!
Fight Adenovirus with Norovirus!
and supermarket food
Obviously there is too much junk food and too little exercise however my last year of college I got really sick then gained about 70 lbs in six months ( I went from 123 to 193 lbs and I am 5'9") There was "nothing wrong with me medically" according to the blood tests however my metabolism dropped drastically. I had to keep food calorie consumption to around 800 calories per day and exercise like crazy. I finally lost most of the weight but ever since then I have to keep a super close eye on my weight or I gain quickly. I think there might be something to this.
(AND I KNOW THAT YOU PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT OVERWEIGHT KIDS ARE SITTING ON YOUR BIG FAT MIDDLE-AGE BUTTS RIGHT NOW EATING JUNK WHILE YOU SURF THE INTERNET :) Go out and run --that is where I am headed right now.
Have you looked at the ingredientsin a can of food; my God, the can itself is better for you than what is in the can ! ( and we still pay a .o1 cts luxury tax on canned food to help pay for world war 1 )
To the dissapointment of MSNBC it is good to see the reading public do not believe everything they read, always remain skeptical of what the media tries to force on your brains!
It is eating like a pig that makes you fat...
I might have been willing to entertain the idea until they said "35 more lbs than other kids who were obese but didnt have the antibody".
To me this reads that these kids were obese to begin with, and perhaps getting sick made being obese that much harder....and made weight gain that much easier.
However, aside from Kallie's testimony of getting mysteriously sick followed by a 70 lbs weight gain in 6 months...we are lacking serious evidence of this type of weight gain. Even with Kallie's example, one can easily assume that she's underestimating just how much her habits truly changed following being sick. I cant fathom she was just as active and eating just as well as she was before being sick, as she was post being sick. Maybe the illness accounted for 10 lbs, but not all 70...and since most humans are very objective about their own personal faults, we arent likely to find the truth short of trapping humans in boxes to study for longer than a few days.
Why was there no "obesity epidemic" (child or adult) until recently? Could it possibly be that children played outdoors, did chores, and didn't sit in front of any kind of entertainment screen for 5-6 hours a day? Could it be that parents fed their children well-balanced meals that included fruits and vegetables?
Could it be that children and adults didn't consume bags of chips AFTER a full dinner of KFC/McDonalds (whatever), French fries, and high-sugar, high-fat dipping sauces??
Nah, it must be that people today are fat because of a cold virus. Way to go!! Enable people by giving them yet another excuse for their own faulty behaviors and poor choices.
Ridiculous.
Aspartame is a leading cause of obesity.
Funny, we all seemed much healthier before big pharma told us how sick we all are and how they have meds for everything.
Maybe I am just allergic to big pharma....
Aspartame doesn't cause obesity. Neither does fast food, over eating, or lack of exercise. Exercising doesn't automatically force your body to start using stored fat for energy, it tends to make us hungry. People aren't fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're fat.
Eating the wrong types of foods in the wrong quantities will cause most people to gain fat. The USDA started recommending people eat a diet high in grains and vegetable oils back in the 1970's. Since then we've gotten fatter, and heart disease became our number one killer. People who switch to eating carbohydrates from only vegetables and some fruit, and eating more fat show better blood test results, body fat percentage and overall health.
Don't believe me - try it. Search around for people like Dr. Michale Eades, Gary Taubes or Mark Sisson. If you think Fast Food causes obesity, look up a documentary called "Fathead."
Then account for animals becoming fat after being injected with the virus.
Yes, whatever we can blame to avoid ANY sense of personal responsibility for our kids' health and welfare. I'm sorry, but this is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel to rationalize kids being fat, blaming it on the cold virus. As others pointed out, it's most likely that these kids' unhealthy eating habits, and possibly other unhealthy factors fostered by irresponsible parents who would have the nerve to blame the colds for their kids being fat, that leads to both their kids' obesity and poor overall health.
I think it's most likely that the kids' parents are to blame for both their kids being fat and their kids having colds, but like most people in our society, these parents are too full of themselves and not responsible enough to look in the mirror and assign blame where it is most due.
I'm not sure if scapegoating a common virus for obesity is more pathetic or hilarious.
The Duder
Yes it does. Study after study have linked this neurotoxin to obesity.
If you have proof of the contrary, please share it.
It's hopeless Patrick.
The data presented in this article suggests only that more work needs to be done to see if it means anything.
Peanut Butter Jelly Time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlYCVpPo1WQ
Prove IT!
Trying to convince people that they are bigots and wrong! lol!
Remember the Earth is flat!
Closed minds think they know the truth.
There are a lot of possible causes of obesity. Too little exercise is an obvious one and so is too much junk food. But if the children had a sudden weight gain, it could be a virus.
Have you ever noticed the list of ingredients in food? I am trying to cut down on foods with ingredients that are not natural. I quit using margarine and am experimenting with sour cream instead of mayonnaise. Even if I don't lose the 20 lbs that I want to lose, maybe I will avoid cancer.
I wonder if there is a virous dedected that shows people are more likely to be stupid - like the majority of you above
So... stupid might be contagious? I'll bet it's spread by political parties...
maybe they get the virus from junk food
"....very hard to pinpoint,” he (Schwimmer) said. “These may be the children who have obesity related to this infection.”
Or, how about these kids gained weight and became more susceptible to this adenovirus. That's more believable.
Duh!
Please explain how these kids became more "susceptible." These kids had the antibodies, indicating that their bodies had fought off this virus. The other kids did NOT have the antibodies, indicating that they had not been exposed to this virus, and therefore had not fought it off. Are you suggesting that there is some other form of fighting off viruses that is outside of the currently understood antibody mechanism?
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Talk about another excuse people will have. I simply don't believe it, my BS radar is going off like crazy. Don't you believe it either, trust your common sense, folks.
I agree with you 100% MacDonalds, video games and bad parenting...get those taken care of then go after the strange viral causes
"I agree with you 100% MacDonalds, video games and bad parenting...get those taken care of then go after the strange viral causes"
But then how will the drug manufacturers make their money off of vaccines???
I wish people would recognize that its possible obesity has more than one cause. There may be mulitple contributing factors. I have the unfortunate experience of developing an allergy to temperature variations as well as basically to myself all caused by a virus. I went from being able to run 5 miles a day, was on the track team, was able to eat anything I wanted; to gaining 60 lbs in 4 months while restricting calories to 1200/ day. I have to eat fewer than 760 calories a day just to maintain my weight, less if I want to lose any. To lose just a pound safely it takes me 35 days of reducing my diet by 100 calories because I need basic nutrients to stay alive. Not everyone has full control of what happens to make them gain weight. Who would ever think that a virus could have such a huge impact on your life
@Michelle Grasz
McDonald's doesn't cause obesity. Check Youtube for clips from a documentary called "FatHead." The guy eats only fast food (mostly McDonalds) for a month and loses weight, his HDL goes up, LDL becomes patter A (which is good) and his triglycerides go down. The trick was he didn't eat more than 100g of carbohydrates a day.
That movie "Supersize me" was mostly bogus.
No, your morality radar is going crazy; in your mind obesity has to be someone's fault.
Duder, I see your point but I look at cause and effect....When I was growing up it was rare to eat at restaurants and I can't think of a single fat kid all the way thru middle school I also don't remember any of us super sizing anything much less soda pop and french fries...those were rare treats when I was growing up
Michelle's got it right. Not only the menu has changed, but what's in the menu as well. Pumping chickens and cows full of steroids and growth harmones was unknown when I was a kid growing up. Now their use is ubiquitous. Genetically altered plants were also unheard of then, and now most everything you eat is genetically altered, chemically altered, and mostly unnatural.
You are what you eat. This obesity epidemic is proof that the altered foods we eat are unhealthy.
The article didn't say----are these kiddos from rural or urban areas? Being stacked in poorly built apartments may be one cause of the virus ---too many people---too little space---too little air to breathe.
COUPLED with sooooo much fast food-----soooooo little time add to that
XRSIZE????????
... coupled with not hauling their butts outside and exhibiting some sign of actual motion besides their thumbs texting.
lexi --- I understand the point you're trying to make about close quarters in apartments. But, there have always been apartment buildings and low-income households in the USA and throughout the world, and the majority of people weren't obese. They ate healthful foods within their monetary means ... not junk food as is what occurs today. They might have made an inexpensive chicken dinner one night and used the leftovers to make a hearty soup another night. Not so today. When they want chicken today? There's KFC.
Obesity isn't only a problem in the USA anymore. There's a rise in obesity even in Asia, particularly Japan, where diets had been mostly fish, rice, vegetables, and fruits until the fast food industry invaded those countries as well.
As always, it's really a matter of personal choices. But I can't believe "research" that points to a virus as a valid cause for an obesity epidemic. Personally, I can't believe any of the reasons why people of any socio-economic or weight category even catch so many more colds today than 25 years ago. I still tend to go with lifestyle and food intake over "there are more viruses" as the culprit.
Too much of the wrong foods + no exercise = FAT and UNHEALTHY.
The right foods in the proper quantities + exercise = Slim and FIt.
The problem is finding the "right foods." Beef now is fundamentally different than it was 40 years ago. Same with potatoes, tomatos, and lettuce. The meat you eat is chalked full of antibiotics, growth harmones and steroids. Vegetables and fruits are being genetically altered for higher yields, richer colors, more disease resistance, etc., but those genetic effects aren't supposed to affect us as well? Don't bet on that.
Yep, 40 years ago it was so much better, nope we didn't spray the crap out our with food poisons like DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) or any thing unhealthy like that. We didn't use lead in our water pipes or paint or anything stupid like that. Nope not in the good old days.
This idea that our food and our environment was somehow cleaner back then in the "good old days" is a myth. People dumped who knows what, where ever, and when ever they liked, and it was LEGAL. We didn't have any stupid environmental laws that got in the way of profits. We had rivers that were so full of crap that they caught fire.
Jasonm- why don't you go live at the town dump tax free?
Well, considering they said they found that the virus actually promotes the addition of the actual fat cells, and that it makes changes in the body, I certainly believe it. I'm a fat guy who for years and years have watched my best efforts to lose weight fail while people I know eat more, do less, and stay thin. People who are thin always think the worst of fat people. It's always the simple answer. Well, no. It's just not that simple.
This goes to show how easy you can manipulate science. They are basing their assumption off of correlation, it is ridiculous. Obese people are more likely to get sick because their immune systems are suppressed. What have you tried? The only way your gonna lose weight is to get rid of grains and sugars in your diet because of their effect on insulin and get your heart rate up with interval cardio training. Regular cardio may not work. Some thin people are genetically programmed for their bodies to be thin, its just the way it is. Some people have a harder time with weight, thats just the way it is. This is just a scapegoat for people and another way for medicine to push another vaccine that will just further hurt our health and line pharmas pockets.
Which could just as easily be explained by fat causing colds, depending on what answer you want. Would be more interesting if these pseudo-scientists studied how the cold virus mutated from the 50's and 60's to now concentrate in the middle of the body.
Interesting theories, but what has been researched points to multiple causes, not just one. This virus is just one part of a much bigger picture. America is not overly populated by people who are lazy and eat bad food. Although it can be part of it, there is something else going on that is not affecting most of the rest of the world.
I'm at least glad that someone is looking into it. Genetics proved that there are genes involved. Biologists have proven that gut flora is also involved, and now this shows that a virus may also be a part of the picture. It makes a lot of sense to me.
Hi Dennis-816242 --- I'd like to share my husband's pursuit of weight loss with you. He soared to 275 (6'1") and tried multiple "diets" - low/almost no carb and tiny meals (I thought he'd starve to death) to eat-all-you-want protein but nothing else. With each of these radical diets, he sure did lose weight ... through deprivation. As soon as he tried to increase with "normal food" he started gaining again.
He's finally gotten down to 205 (and holding) with just sensible eating of all food categories. Grains/pasta are only whole ones (read the labels ... not everything marked "whole" is real - they add caramel to make it look brown). They're not too tasty, but you can doctor them up with herbs and spicing that don't add calories.
His goal is 195, but he's at a plateau. Nothing as worked so far to jump-start his metabolism for that last mile, even though he's an avid cyclist (>50 miles/week) and monitors his heart rate.
If I may suggest ... look into Weight Watchers. They have a very good track record, because they advocate an eating lifestyle change through regular foods, not a "diet," and it's coupled with exercise.
It's very true that genetics play a part in our bodies' metabolism make-up and memory. I'm not sure that I agree about a virus ... yet. I'm very suspicious of more vaccines. We innoculate ourselves to the hilt as it is.
Dennis - I'll echo healthchoices comment and add to it:
Eat little to no sugar, and cut grains (yes, even those "heart healthy" grains which are anything but). You'll have to get your calories by adding more fat to your diet - yes, fat. I'm talking about good fats like SATURATED and monounsaturated fats - stuff like clean, Organic, grass fed beef, coconut and coconut oil, avocado, butter and the only polunsaturated fats should come from fish and flax.
Stop eating vegetable and seed oils like Canola, Soybean, safflower and margarine. Those cause inflammation, which causes heart disease.
Whole grains are proven to lower LDL... big deal, they also cause Pattern B LDL, which is a small dense particle that causes inflammation. Whole grains also are proven to lower HDL and increase triglycerides - both of those characteristics are associated with heart disease.
Here, read this: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fats/
Exercise isn't that important to weight loss. It's great for overall health, but your diet is key to weight loss. To lose weight, you need to use up that stored fat. Exercise doesn't really force your body to use stored fat for energy if it's used to getting energy from carbohydrates. You need to "force" your body to use stored fat, and that happens with diet - not exercise.
Nobody yet is pointing a finger at the food we do eat.
What I said above bears repeating:
Beef now is fundamentally different than it was 40 years ago. Same with potatoes, tomatos, and lettuce. The meat you eat is chalked full of antibiotics, growth harmones and steroids. Vegetables and fruits are being genetically altered for higher yields, richer colors, more disease resistance, etc., but those genetic effects aren't supposed to affect us as well? Don't bet on that
The Duder ... it's funny that you push saturated fat (cream, cheese, butter) but you omit olive oil, which is known to be the healthiest of fats.
There is nothing wrong with whole grains if one knows how to choose them correctly. They are very healthy and are a boon to weight loss and good health.
You also eliminated vegetables and fruits, which are also healthful sources good nutrition.
Everything in balance, everything in moderation, become knowledgeable from factual websites, and read labels.
During my corrections, I timed out, Duder.
Re: the website http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fats/ -- quite frankly, any website that offers contests and freebies isn't very scientific. A renowned hospital or scientific website is much more reliable and credible. Some of the info on your website is correct, some is wrong.
Further .... exercise is proven to help with weight loss and toning. I don't know where you get your junk science no exercise info from.
But ... whatever floats your boat!
Thanks for the positive tone in the remarks.
As for sugar, I read "Sugar Babies" in the late 80's and had a family history of Diabetes, so I actively cut sugar from my normal diet.
The best diet I found so far was the Atkins diet. Low carb will work for me. The point I was trying to make is that there are several factors. One is genetics. One look at my family and you can see the resemblance. Another factor they found was gut flora. Shortly after that you saw all the "probiotics" come to market. Now, here are a couple of viruses that may also contribute. AND, yes fast food is detrimental as well. And yes, a sedentarysedentsary lifestyle doesn't help. But there are plenty of people in the same field, doing the same job, living the same kind of life who are thin. So I know, from my own experience, that there are multiple factors.
Another vaccine? You've gotta be kidding me. How stupid do you think we are?
Are you referring to the (debunked) report that vaccines might cause autism in children?
No, why?
Everything is a caused by a virus these days isn't it? We're all the victim of a viruses.You want to know why? Because the new money maker in pharma is vaccines. Govn't immunity. Govn't marketed. Govn't enforced. You're tax dollars paying for it. It's a pharma win win bonanza.
Only one problem. Those pesky people speaking out about the truth on vaccines.
http://www.physorg.com/news73585843.html
Scientists Test Anti-obesity Vaccine
July 31, 2006
Look at the date. This is not new. The idea for a vaccine came first. Not the idea of a virus.
At age 6 months when my granddaughter got her first vaccination, she immediately started screaming (not the normal crying) AND TURNED BLUE! The doctor had to take emergency action. So don't tell me there aren't often things in the vaccines... or even other shots... that are damaging! Also, I know a person whose son was perfectly normal until about age 2 when he got a shot for an infection. He is now 13, severely autistic, and has never spoken a word!
Dennis, my friend, don't even THINK of bringing up the vaccine/autism debate here on this thread! I think you'll find the majority of people responding to this thread are aware of the correlation between vaccines and PPD disorders.
Despite what the corrupted officials at the Federal Death Administration are telling us, there is obviously a link between autism and certain vaccines, though I believe the exact cause has yet to be found. We have the "smoking gun", but not the bullets yet, so to speak. There is far too much in the way of correllary data and circumstantial evidence to just systematically deny the link between the two. The government obviously doesn't want a link to be found because it would implicate the government in a massive vaccine injury claims explosion since it is the government that attempts to mandate vaccines in the first place. If the truth were told, the government, and possibly Big Pharma, would be inundated with claims payables. Since money trumps common sense in this country, our Establishment will do anything to disparage ideas about a vaccine/PPD correlation.
I often poke at controversy. The majority of people on the planet also believe a big man in the sky is watching over us every minute of every day.
All I know for certain is that it is a controversy, and the FDA is not filled with people meaning you harm. Beyond that, I do not know. Anecdotal evidence is how we get the belief that the moon affects behavior. It gives us superstition. It can also provide valuable insight to certain conditions.
Just FYI, the man who started the whole autism/vaccine controversy (Andrew Wakefield) had his medical license revoked and that particular study was retracted from Lancet. 10 of his co-authors also renounced the published data.
Yes, autism is both heart-wrenching and terribly confusing. However, using anecdotal evidence to link it to vaccines in spite of much scientific evidence to the contrary is not helpful to anyone. In fact, It is destructive of the herd immunity that protects our children from some particularly awful (but preventable) childhood diseases.
Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award
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http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf
@ Robert-1126350 -- Re: Hannah and Bailey --- While it's very unfortunate that both of these children have devastating problems, you provided no evidence that their problems are scientifically proven to have been caused by vaccines. A one-sided CBS "news article" and a one-sided legal brief?? What about "the other side?"
In Hannah's case, if her parents were responsible enough to bring a child into this world, they should have educated themselves enough to keep abreast of what vaccines were appropriate and when they should have been administered. No ethical doctor administers 9 at one time, and the parents seem to have played "the victim card" by allowing the doctor to do what happened. IMO, both parents and physician are at fault for a child's lifelong disabilities. The parents for not educating themselves, and the doctor for either being ignorant or greedy. I can't say, because you didn't provide enough information.
At any rate, the article that accompanies this thread discusses childhood OBESITY, not vaccines or autism.
You're certainly free to "say no" when your child's pediatrician recommends vaccines, but be aware that unless you do very high level research and not rely on junk science, you could severely compromise your child's entire life if he/she contracts a disease that would have been prevented IF the child had been innoculated.
It's proven that the risks of possible vaccine problems are far less than the devastating lifelong problems that result if the child is NOT innoculated.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have loved to have been able to get vaccinated against polio, had the vaccine existed at that time.
The same for John A. Roebling, designer of the Brooklyn Bridge. He died from tetanus.
The list is endless.
Families win lawsuit over MMR vaccine
Her dad is a medical doctor in neurology and also has a PhD. Her mother is an attorney. I think they're educated enough.
And the pro forced mass vaccine side says that vaccines are sooo safe that one can get 10,000 of them. So the 9 isn't too much for them. They need for people to believe this farce because more vaccines are coming down the pipe including a vaccine for obesity.
I said responsible. Educated doesn't mean responsible.
Believe these little stories if it helps you sleep at night. I do not.
Now you're implying something that you can't back up. Their is no reason to believe Dr. and Mrs. Poling are irresponsible parents. The followed the CDC recommended schedule. Do you think the vaccine schedule is irresponsible. You may have a point there.
Nine vaccines in ONE office visit for any age child (infant-18) is not within the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations and guidelines.
Here's the 2010 data: http://www.aap.org/healthtopics/immunizations.cfm
My children are now young adults, and there were fewer immunizations at the time of the person you're trying to discuss (as it was in her time as well).
Why would parents follow CDC when they take their children to pediatricians? Pediatricians are the specialists.
I'd like to remind you again that this article and thread are about a very inept "study" trying to link childhood obesity to a common cold virus and NOT about tested, recognized and approved immunizations by the AAP.
And I am arguing that this article IS not about a silly virus, but the about the silly idea of a vaccine to treat obesity. How absurd does that sound? A vaccine for obesity? This is a "seed" article to warm people up to the idea that a vaccine makes sense. It is not the first article they've done.
In search of an effective obesity treatment: A shot in the dark or a shot in the arm?
A second vaccine revolution for the new epidemics of the 21st century
Virus-induced obesity 2006
"Determination of the role of pathogens in human obesity is critical for its successful treatment and prevention (i.e., vaccination). "
Now I seem to remember some adage from my mother when I was young about feeding a cold and starving a flu or something. I wonder if the scientists took this into account when evaluating their statistics.
Yea, I'm sure it's got nothing to do with stuffing chips, fries, hamburgers, cokes, cakes etc. down your mouth that your fat slob mom buys for you.
So, what we really have is an epidemic of really bad mothers?
These excuses are just getting sad and need to end.
Isnt that the American way? We are always a "victim" of somthing aren't we? It never has anything to do with parents and/or individual responsibility does it ?
victims of the government!
That's funny. I personally have never been victimized by the government. I have been victimized by businesses however. Things that I could not have prevented on my end.
This is one of the stupidist things I've read lately! I recently went to my 50th high school reunion where we had many pictures of "long ago." Not ONE person in the pictures was overweight! We didn't have TV, video games, computers is one of the answers. We found things to do that required more than sitting in a chair! I'm not saying all the technology is bad... just that it has to be in moderation with children and used as a SUPPLEMENT to activity... not their ONLY activity. Oh... and by the way... we ALSO had colds in the "olden days."
Okiebug
Viruses mutate. That's why they have to make different vaccines for the flu every year. The article didn't say that the virus is causing all the obesity in children, but maybe some of it. It is also possible that overweight children are more vulnerable to certain viruses. They don't know yet. Viruses can do very strange things to the human body. Although kids still need to eat better food and exercise or run around more. I worked at an elementary school where recess was eliminated and the kids who were unable to sit still for extended periods of time were punished by being made to sit outside up against a wall for their one recess at lunch time. Having them run around the building a few times would have worked better. I feel they were being taught to be sedentary.
Okiebug
I agree - we should stop researching multiple causes of obesity - kids today are just fat lazy video game addicts. To further your logic, we should stop researching Alzheimer's too. It's obvious that old people just get more and more stupid because they're not thinking enough.
fellow, I think you are right. We should stop trying to learn anything at all and just listen to Okiebug, who obviously knows all about this subject.
What is making, or helping kids to be fat is the fact that parents let them sit in the house, watch the idiot box and play video games. Get out and play!!!! Quit coddeling to these kids, be 'real' parents, kick them in the butt and tell them to get out of the house!! Get them involved in some kind of activity. Don't be a lazy parent, get involved in your child's wefare!!! Quit waiting for the government to do something, take responsibility for the puppies you pushed out.
This is weird...my kids don't have the virus but I do limit their exposure to the virus. It is often found in a "Drive Through" and at places that use words like "would you like to make it a combo?".
What is the disease called McDonaldistis? Parents stop feeding your children fast food, stop eating out at restaurants every night, stop eating foods and drinking drinks filled with high fructose corn syrup. And actually cook your meals at home, we all work hard, my parents both worked full time jobs yet my mom managed to cook dinner every night and my father would cook on weekends to give her a break. It is possible. People don't have to be fat, especially children.
Ha ha ha....McDonalditis? LOL, I'll have to use that one.........thanks!
This is entirely possible since the common cold is a recent virus and coincides with the recent trend symmetrical height and width. The trend of stuffing Big Macs and parking in front of video games while avoiding sunlight during daytime hours was ruled out as a factor.
Gee, and I thought it was poor diet and lack of exercise!
Was this study funded by the fast food industry? Wake Up American, this has to be the last straw. Don't let these "scientists" invent more reasons for pharmaceutical companies to create more medications.
If your child is obese, it's your fault, period.
agree totally..
Uhhh... I think it's a combination of diet and exercise. Either that, or it's remarkable how the virus just manages to hit the United States.
The virus and the magical "fat gene".
Only in the US.
It seems more likely to me that obese children, who have greater stresses to their immune systems, are simply catching more colds; so they are more likely to have caught this particular virus. The article does mention this possibility in one little sentence, then spends the rest of the article talking about the other version of the story. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
There truly are some, rare, conditions that cause obesity. But mostly, it's too much food and too little exercise.
Saying the virus may cause obesity is ridiculous. That fat kids have antibodies is a coincidence; attributing cause & effect does not follow directly. The opposite may even be true. Unhealthy, underexcercised, overfed, fat kids may get more colds, with obesity causing the increase in the antibodies seen.
Norm
Just another excuse for bad parenting
Is anyone else tired of being insulted? "Outside experts cautioned that the new research doesn’t prove that the virus causes weight gain — it’s entirely possible that obese kids are just more likely to get the virus." DUH!!!!!
I know right people read the fine print its says right there they dont know for sure. Besides it seems its only a small percent of people others its probly no exercise and fatty foods and sugar.
My kid has had a cold every year since birth. BUT, he's involved in sports, doesn't drink soda and isn't allowed to snack between dinner and breakfast and he's not fat. Go figure. Hmmm, wonder why that is?
Think maybe parents have to bear the brunt of why their kids are overweight? I wonder how many tax-payer dollars were spent to determine this malarkey.
the problem with that is fat kids usually have fat parents...
It's already been shown that there is a genetic component to the problem.
are you kidding me?WHO ARE THESE LUNATICS, who come out with these garbage theories.? holy crap, i can do alot better than that. these people scientist? GIVE ME A BREAK FOR gOD SAKES!
Submitting a proposal on how to make more people victims is a sure way of getting a grant. In defense of the brain trust pulling this wisdom out, they had to study virus's since they couldn't get an intelligible survey answer around the mouth full of Big Mac.