Less invasive surgery OK for breast cancer

Oh NO! NOT the FLYING MONKEY AGAIN! Jherek, give it UP!!! Your agenda is to promote pot as a cure for cancer. You have typed this same junk elsewhere. Nothing is astounding about being a pot-pusher and a fake who steals his name from a novel. (Dancers at the End of Time, in which Jherek is described as a man "who did not know the meaning of morality".)

This post is important because it reports that less mutilating surgery can be as curative as a modified radical mastectomy in EARLY stage breast cancer. This is a step forward in the surgical treatment of breast cancer. It has nothing to do with POT. Women will be able to undergo surgery that does not require that they lose a breast to have a chance at a cure for cancer, as long as the primary tumor site is small and the axillary nodes are extensive.

Why does Jerek troll? Go somewhere else troll!!!

#3 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:14 PM EDT

Wow Jack we are tense today! People promoting valuable information that might help other people really upset you doesn't it Jack? What's the problem dude? Do you hate natural therapies because it might mess up the return on your investments in drug companies?

I guess it really burns your butt that someone like Rick Simpson gives away for FREE a natural treatment that makes your drugs, radiation and surgery unnecessary? LOL!

To discover why Jack is so terribly upset, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Keep criticising me Jack because it will only get more and more people interested in Rick Simpson's video.

And you may as well drop your silly tactic of trying to discredit me by criticising my name on Newsvine - it is really infantile. I suppose "Jack-1962499" appears on your birth certificate? LOL!

#3.1 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT

Jherek has me dead on. You've posted that same website time and time again, often repeatedly in one site. Keep LOL. When you have a significant illness, go ahead and fire up! I criticizeyou because you cannot resist commenting on things, like cancer, of which you know little. You are a liar and a fake. You are without morals. Keep on citing the Ric Simpson story. You have only used that same lame phrase, "Go to Google Video and watch: 'Run for the Cure-The Rick Simpson Story'... Prepare to be astounded" over 10 times. You are advertising POT and claiming it a a cure-all.

You seem to be the one who is tense, arrogant and narrow minded. A lot of other people have called you out and said your statements were idiotic. I disagree. You are not and idiot. You are and attention seeking sociopath. Keep on using cliches like LOL and ROTFLOL. More the fool, you.

Tell me, was your mother frightened by the truth when you were in-utero? You can use stilted quotes all you want. That does not make you less of a liar. One video that you keep citing over and over while "Preparing to be Astounded" certainly does not make you an expert. Tell you what, write an article on how you handle your toe jam or halitosis and I'll give you a vote up, something no one else does for you except yourself. LOLAHYEUIH!

#3.2 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:33 PM EDT

Check out Jher's comments in other discussions...mostly attacks on other poster's character.

....and "Prepare to be Astounded...NOT!"

#3.3 - Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:31 AM EDT

So no-one on Newsvine should consider any post that Jack-1962499 disapproves of? Are you God Jack, that you are so all-knowing and can judge what other people should or should not read? You talk of being frightened of the truth? Why are you so frightened of people referring to the Rick Simpson video? If it's nonsense then each person can decide that for themselves, I think. But no, the great and all-knowing Jack wants to decide for everyone what they should or should not hear about!

Why don't you want people to look at the information I am presenting Jack? How much money do you make from pushing surgery, radiation and chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer? Do you feel good when you think about earning money from killing people off from deadly and toxic treatments and attempting to stop people from considering virtually free natural treatments?

To learn why Jack is so upset, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Keep posting your infantile ad hominem attacks Jack and I will keep directing people to a cheap and natural alternative method for treating cancer.

#3.4 - Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:36 PM EDT

Typical of the 'slash and burn' approach to cancer. A method that has not changed in 30 years. Europeans were also first to use lumpectomy's followed by local radiation instead of mastectomy's with very similar results in survival. the medical field for all its accolades is still a cut and run buisness. I truly feel sorry for most women that have to be subjected to the current medical process.

#4 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:46 PM EDT

This is even less surgery than lumpectomy "NUKE". It does not require an extensive node dissection that can lead to severe edema of the arm.

#4.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT

Hawaii2

This article about a more simplistic breast cancer removal, is not all roses.

The specialists who treat patients will be watching them very carefully. Women must have heavy radiation, and/or chemotherapy, or take a very expensive Prescription Substitute for Chemo for many years.. After a Lumpectomy, radiation, chemotherapy are done, also.

In the end it is a good choice for those who find their breast cancer very early. It is still a gamble, as to whether it will come back or not.

Hopefully someday soon, they will find the causes for this now rampant, cancerous disease.

Good luck to those on this board who have "been" through it. You are brave, courageous women.

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#4.2 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT

Heavy radiation and/or chemotherapy is not necessary for the treatment of cancer. For more information on the natural treatment of cancer, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Prepare to be astounded.

#4.3 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT

There jherck goes again. Can't you find something original to post, Pot-Pusher?

#4.4 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:36 PM EDT

Can't you find a more reasonable response to my posts than making childish mockery of my name?

To learn why Jack is so upset, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Keep posting your infantile ad hominem attacks Jack and I will keep directing people to a cheap and natural alternative method for treating cancer.

#4.5 - Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:27 PM EDT

Oh, in case you did not get my previous post, I am in favor of the limited lymph node remove approach. The less cutting the better. The only problem is the fear of the patients and the fear of the doctor of returning cancer and failure. Something no one could know, but act on every day. Stop the mutilation of women!!!! Sorry jack, I got carried away with emotion and did not present my argument well. I agree with you, but in the past radical was all any doctor would do.

#5 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT

You are correct. The old original radical mastectomy performed by Halstead involved the removal of the breast, all axillary nodes and the pectoralis major muscle. This model was adhered to by surgeons for years. Only a few women are still alive that had this mutilating surgery. If you ever see a picture of one, the ribs can be seen through the skin and the skin is paper thin due to compromise of its blood supply. This surgery was still being done in 1976, or later. Too many women still have to go through too much surgery. Advances are being made, just slowly. A lot of times too slowly. My father lost his leg to a sarcoma that now days would not have required that much surgery. He was cured but later had a heart attack that ultimately crippled him even more. I hope for a day when a single shot or pill will cure every kind of cancer. I just hope we can afford it when it comes.

#5.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:11 PM EDT

For a single treatment for evcery kind of cancer, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Prepare to be astounded.

(And I'm not going away Jack - I'm going to keep posting and posting and posting,.....)

#5.2 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:35 PM EDT

citizen nine

Such a risky situation and no easy decisions even if this article says "Ok" it may not be ok. Don't be misled by such simplistic headlines and bylines its not automatically "Ok" to take a less invasive approach because of a study.

My sister opted for a lumpectomy the first time and then only upon the return of the cancer did she have the radical masectomy. The first time the number of lymph nodes affected was considered low and a good sign, but apparently not good enough.

I sometimes wonder if she would still be with us if she had started with the more invasive surgery, but of course we will never know. A woman needs as much good information as possible and support for whatever decision she makes, but I'm not sure how much this helps.

I don't want to be discouraging or a wet blanket on good news, but its one study and it probably just makes a woman's or family's decision more difficult with one more data point for consderation.

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#6 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:04 PM EDT

Paul-14624982Deleted

surviour1

As an 8 year fortunate one with stage II, I am living with the reminders everyday. All I could think of is get it all out and do not let me think it is still here or that it will come back. The first time was a lumpectomy and radiation. After 11 months my doctors tells me they did not get it all. With out thinking this time I said get them both out of here. I am so glad I did. Too many people IKnow are not around. Either they went the less aggressive forms of chemo or it was too late and spreading. Yes my one arm pit is numb and irritated by a bra. Yes, I wear a bra. I had reconstructive surgery that created new ones from my lower abdominal. Painful procedure (1 year of hell), but gave me my dignity.

Take all the treatment you can. Pick an aggressive surgeon, plastics and oncologist doctors. Any doubt run and find somebody else. Drill the hell out of them. Do your home work. They are not God. Exceriscise and eat a low fat diet. Pray like never before and thank God there are cures out there.

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#8 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:08 PM EDT

One has to appreciate the stories of failed lumpectomy approaches. However, the studies done in Europe showed no statistical difference. I know, it IS cold to reduce survival to statistics, seems very insurance oriented thinking. But there are also many women that have been through radical removals and died anyway. They, however, are not here to speak their side. In the end all we have is the statistics to guide our decisions. An informed patient is an empowered one. That is still not any guaranty of success. Like surviour said the focus should be on the final outcome, no matter what it is. i have witnessed women going through radical procedures and NOT being guided well for what comes after! the approach should be to minimize damage and to maximize what will be left/next.

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#9 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT

Judy-802607

I had a mastectomy AND all my nodes on that side under the arm removed. My tumor was invasive, but none of the nodes were positive for cancer, and yes, I developed lymphodema on that side in the arm, but, hey, after nineteen years, I am still alive and well, no recurrance of cancer of any sort. After the initial surgery, I had six months of chemotherapy. I was under the care of Vincent Caggiano, and Gregory Graves was my surgeon. I owe those men my life. So, thank you Vince and Greg. I love you both.

#10 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT

Judy-802607

Oh, and remember, when reading about statistics, yes, maybe most of the women who have the limited surgery and selected removal of lymph nodes survive, but what if you are in the 15 % or whatever the percentage is, that die? Statistical templates can be difficult to understand, and of course, don't mean jack to the women who die.

#11 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT

Hawaii2

Judy:

The 15 per cent could be the women who have the Virulent type of Breast Cancer. Nothing can be done to cure them. It is a very fast moving breast cancer, or it eventually goes to the bones, also.. They have no choice.

The women who find out they have this type of BC, know, like Ovarian Cancer, will pass away very quickly, choosing not to spoil what's left of their quality of life with chemo/or radiation.

I have known several. Very sad.

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#11.1 - Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:39 PM EDT

15% die with the more aggressive surgery as well. There is no 100% cure rate for breast cancer, or anything else for that matter. Patients who undergo a less extensive form of surgery and have a recurrence still have a significant chance at a cure with more aggressive surgery if it becomes necessary. This article was written about a subgroup who had less extensive cancer, but there are patients who have very aggressive cancers that will recur no matter what the surgical approach. High grade tumors (grade 3/3), estrogen receptor negative tumors, progesterone receptor negative tumors and now days HER2neu negative tumors are the ones that have the highest risk of recurrence and the highest mortality rates. So are inflammatory breast cancers.

To show how chemotherapy has advanced, it is now given for approximately 36 weeks and often given one day out of every 3 weeks. When it was first used, it was given daily for 2 years. Also, before Herceptin was developed, patients who had HER2neu antigen on their tumor cells were likely to die because this antigen is associated with resistance to chemotherapy. Far more of them died from metastatic disease. Now, these patients get 3 to 6 months of chemotherapy plus Herceptin and then a year of Herceptin alone and their chance of cure is better than that of women who have HER2neu negative cancer. There are so few of them relapsing that it is hard to do studies on how to treat the ones that do relapse.

It is a woman's prerogative to choose the type of surgery she undergoes. What researchers are trying to do is come up with alternative approaches so the women (and the few men) that get breast cancer have choices they can make. If one wants bilateral mastectomies that can be done, but if one chooses less surgery it can be done also. In either case, the key is to be followed-up closely to try to catch a recurrence early. Unfortunately there are still those in the 15% catagory that have cancers that recur with all the treatment currently available but that is still a lower number that 35 years ago and that % will continue to fall with further research and newer treatments.

#11.2 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:27 AM EDT

Chemotherapy, radiation and surgery are horrifically painful and disfiguring "treatments" for cancer that kill more often than they cure.

For more information on the effective, painless treatment of cancer, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Prepare to be astounded.

#11.3 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:37 PM EDT

This guy's comments need to be collapsed. He is not contributing anything to this discussion or to life in general.

#11.4 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:38 PM EDT

I encourage people to examine all the available treatments for cancer. I believe that people should know all about surgery, radiation and chemotherapy. Why don't you want them to have information about natural treatments Jack? Why are all of your responses to my posts only childish attempts to insult and suppress what I have to say?

To learn why Jack is so upset, go to Google Video and watch: "Run From The Cure - The Rick Simpson Story".

Keep posting your infantile ad hominem attacks Jack and I will keep directing people to a cheap and natural alternative method for treating cancer.

#11.5 - Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:29 PM EDT

Jack is not upset. He is simply disclosing that Jherk Cornholian is a momma's boy who takes pleasure in denegrating others. I suspect he tortured small animals as a child. He is insulting. He relies on lies and has no proof for the things he espouses. He is hateful, simple minded and uses the same references and cliches over and over again. This is much to the detriment of "NEWSVINE" that it allows scum like Jeheritic to post insulting and lewd comments on these discussions. Evidently no one on NEWSVOMIT pays attention to the prattling of a simpleton like Jeereck who contributes nothing but insults, false advertisements and lies to these posts. His comments have been repeatedly collapsed by the community at large, which is more than the monitors here at NV have done. I suspect he comes from a broken home and is an only child who his mother adores as her favorite of all his 10 half brothers and half sisters. Ad hominem, a term he loves to use, actually describes him exactly. The character from the novel from which he stole the name is a man without morals. Jerich is that person. He has accused other contributors of being silly, which is an effeminate term he likes to use, but he also has accused them of giving "blow jobs" for a nickle and giving change in return....a talent that, I suspect, he is a past-master. He insults the professions and the opinions of others and uses false logic and lies and insults to support his lies. Wish I could meet him in person....maybe one day I will. In the meantime I will just watch all the sewer rats and cow patties to see if they are evolving into lesser entities, such as Jherk. He repeatedly cites the same Ric Simpson story but cannot cite other references to prove his point.

#11.6 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:19 PM EDT

Paul-14624982Deleted

courtney F

damn...i hate it when i see stuff like this...it was the worst of the surgeries.

#13 - Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:36 AM EDT

Jack, i think you are the most informed and, by the sound of it, the most educated on this subject. I'm glad your here to comment.

Jherek, I need to insult you now, is that name a new way to spell JERK. If you read Jacks posts, it is obvious he is AGAINST major surgeries. So, where on this planet did you get the following idea:

How much money do you make from pushing surgery, radiation and chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer?

And Paul: Unless you are the one from 2000 years ago, shut up!

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#14 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:05 PM EDT