Here comes the gay spin that this is perfectly fine and normal and the reporter is a homophobe picking on gay people unjustly.
Huh? The reporter is trying to draw attention to a potential quiet epidemic. He is trying to present facts so those who are not infected, yet, can become educated on the matter before they and their loved one's become infected.
Unbelievable! If they, reporters, didn't report it then people like you would be screaming cover-up!
Can't win no matter what you do when it comes to human beings! Warped!
Thanks for your observation. Facts are facts. People need to be constantly reminded of the risks they are potentially taking and make changes in their behavior (condoms, safe sex practices, etc.) to make sure they are safe regardless of their sexual orientation.
Greater emphasis needs to be put on safe sex education...and I don't mean teaching kids to not have sex...they're going to have it anyway...and I hope they have safe sex.
Newsreports like this one need to take center stage so that all people know the risks involved in HIV/AIDS and that they need to practice safe sex regardless of their own sexuality.
humans by nature are designed to have heterosexual sex, we are equiped the way we are and designed as such to procreate. that is how life progresses. this is not biblical, it is scientific fact. it is not normal to have sexual intercourse with the same sex period. it is a choice one makes, just like choosing to do drugs. a man and a man cannot procreate just like 2 women cant. humans are designed to procreate. and going against the natural flow of nature is what is continuing this problem. simply a oppinion based on fact that we as human beings are designed a certain way and in no way am i hating on gays. i just believe it is a poor choice and not natural in any aspect
come on, @logicalthinker. so, by your reasoning, sex should only be had as a means of procreation? what about straight people who are not able to have children, for health, biological, or other reasons? are they not to have sex either? Is their sex life unnatural, too? Less a means of connecting physically, emotionally, and becoming closer and more intimate with another human being, and more the robotic function of sperm meet egg?
I'm certain, you have only had sex with the intention of having a child. While you say that you are not "hating on gays", your tone and intent is quite inflammatory.
Washington DC which has a median income of 150% the National family income has a HIV/AIDS infection rate of 3+%, higher than Haiti.
You can not blame low income level, lack of education, or lack of available good health care. It is poor life style choices and being unwilling to use common sense precautions.
Many countries have found their fastest growning segment is not MSM but IV Drug users. While in the USA it is still MSM, with large numbers being infected while in JAIL, 4x the rate of the general population.
It's nature's way of telling you, SOMETHING'S WRONG. Unhealthy lifestyle = early death. So many homosexual men are consumed with self-hatred, maybe this is what they want. Ate up with HIV and promiscuous, sleeping with any other man that agrees is going to have bad consequences, no matter how much the media tries to sell the gay lifestyle as acceptable and normal.
What? Allowing another man to insert his penis into your bodily orifices is just "making bad choices when it comes to sex" rather than gay behavior?
So if I shoot myself in the head, is that simply "making bad choices about firearms?" If I overdose on heroin, is it "making bad choices about needles?" No, like gay behavior, both of these activities are risky and potentially life-threatening.
etothex can repeat all the euphemisms he (assuming gender here) wants, but it doesn't change the fact that if you are a man who allows another man to sexually penetrate your anus or mouth it DOES make you gay and is much more likely than heterosexual (normal) sex to give you a fatal disease. And the government has no right to seize money I earn to pay for the mistakes made by those who engage in self-destructive behavior.
The high cost of AIDS treatment is 1 reason they want their "partners" added to their healthcare. Result will be higher costs passed on to other insured parties or taxpayers.
Straight woman speaking: It seems like some of the gay-haters are trying to make sex between two men sound dirty by being overly-clinical about it. Remember Packer Fan - you also insert your penis into women's "bodily orifices". That doesn't exactly sound pretty either.
The reality is that gay people don't have the same support systems and rights that everyone else gets to take for granted. And that is going to have far-reaching impacts in ways that may be unexpected.
Think about it - if you were a gay person that was raised in a home with someone like "real packer fan" as your dad. And you grew up hating yourself because you thought something was really wrong with you. And so you married a woman to try to be someone you aren't, and you think that you can just repress all of your feelings. And that who you are at your core eventually takes over, and you decide to go out and have sex with another man. But because you are so f'd up about it, you probably aren't well-versed in how to have safe sex, or you do it in a unsavory environment, with some random guy because you're scared to death someone is going to find out. And then afterwards you are too terrified to discuss it with your family doctor, and too terrified to think that maybe something has happened. But you can't stop and you keep having unsafe sex, and before long you've got HIV yourself, and you've contributed to the HIV in the gay community. And put your family at risk.
It just seems so obvious to me that we should let all people have the same rights, and we should be open with everyone about human sexuality. By making certain activities ilicit, you are restricing the ability of people to have healthy and stable sexual and emotional relationships.
Finally, a statistic to remind everyone that you can't just target gay people for STD's. 1 in 4 young adults (age range 15-24) contracts an STD each year.
humans by nature are designed to have heterosexual sex, we are equiped the way we are and designed as such to procreate. that is how life progresses. this is not biblical, it is scientific fact. it is not normal to have sexual intercourse with the same sex period. it is a choice one makes, just like choosing to do drugs. a man and a man cannot procreate just like 2 women cant. humans are designed to procreate. and going against the natural flow of nature is what is continuing this problem. simply a oppinion based on fact that we as human beings are designed a certain way and in no way am i hating on gays. i just believe it is a poor choice and not natural in any aspect.
What is "scientific fact" is that animals of many, many species have been documented as having same-sex sexual activity. If that's not "natural" someone needs to tell nature. Moreover, if inability to procreate should preclude sex, then any woman who is infertile and any man who is sterile should not only abstain from sex, but WANT to - after all, it's "unnatural" for them to have sex if it's not for procreation, right? That would make their own sexual desires "unnatural". By your "logical thinking" birth control ought to be completely unnecessary, since only people who want to have children should have any desire to have sex.
I think your point is what polite people call "absolute and complete stupidity".
Reading NateBob465 's pathetic comment, I must assume he is expressing his deep understanding of Christian love. Admittedly, there are some gay men, who, because of a rotten self-image (possibly due to interactions with people like NateBob435) are self-destructive. But most gay men I know have processed all that garbage, put it behind them, and now are some of the most caring, sympathetic individuals I know. These men know the meaning of faith, hope, charity and love.
PS - real packer fan. read my comment above. it's so sad to me how people use the cover of anonymity on the internet to spread their hatred. i pray to god (yes, i'm a christian), that you don't have kids of your own, who are either going to grow up exactly like you (god forbid) or turn out to be totally f***ed up because of your intolerance.
I love the assumption that any and all "perversions" are solely contained in the gay community. *rolls eyes* Do you not think those things also exist in the heterosexual community? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are no "perversions" that are solely owned by the homosexual community that doesn't apply to the heterosexual community.
As far as the repeated comment about gay sex being "unnatural", there are plenty of non biased studies to show you are wrong in your assertion. Folks like you are the ones that help add to the psychological demise of gay and lesbian youth. Suicide is the number 3 killer of teens 14-25. Gay and lesbian teens are at a 4x's higher risk. You tell someone long enough that they are bad, wrong, etc, and they will start to believe it. It's a basic psychological truth. Then after you have beat down and warped some young persons mind, then you can sit back and say, "See, I told ya." Well good for you. I'm glad that you take so much delight in destroying people for something they cannot change. And before someone says, "But you can change," not one non biased report has confirmed that except that the suicide rate among those trying to change exceeds those who do "change." Also, the relapse rate from "changed" has not be studied because they don't want anyone to know that the "change" is so miserable that the majority can't make it last.
Perversion and (unnatural) sex acts are synonymous. The same thing. Any same sex sexual contact is perversion and therefore unnatural and wrong, contrary to what is right. And just like those "gay" teens are making a conscious "choice" to engage in such perverse and despicable behavior bringing reproach and shame on their families they also make the choice to end their lives which is also shameful.
I sure hope that God doesn't use the same standards to judge you Howard. Your uncharitable attitude and judgment are pretty hi on God's "Do Not Do" list. Let me know how that works out for ya, ok?
The "didn't know they had it" data seems a little fuzzy. I mean, EVERY person with HIV did not know they had it at one point or another, thats what the test is for. It's not like you skin turns blue when you come in contact with HIV, you need a test, and until then, you of course wont know you have it. Kind of a silly statistic.
Your stupidity is showing. HIV infection rates around the world are higher in heterosexual populations. Guess HIV/AIDS will, according to your thinking, wipe out the heterosexuals first world wide. Hmmmmm. Read the facts about world wide health risks.
Guess you were wrong about your hypothesis DB. There are diseases that take out 1/3 of people who get them, non cancer related. I guess you better hope and pray for something better, because AIDS just isn't cutting it to get what you want.
Sorry, you bigot! Gays are a wonderful addition to the population and won't be going anywhere. We are not the disease, you are! We need more hate mongering people like you need another hole in your head. I wish people like you would dry up and blow away.
The facts are clear and there is a much higher incidence of infection and transmission among this "High Risk" group. And yes, some people think homosexuality is wrong. It is their belief and maybe it is you who are the bigot for attacking their strongly held and sincere beliefs.
The conclusions of the study are clear and perhaps the authors of the study are bigots too because they point out a fact - And that is that the homosexual lifestyle and practices aid in the spread of HIV, period?
Oh yes, and the article did not address it but I wonder how many of those infected are without Health Insurance. I'll bet virtually all of the approx 1/2 who were unaware of their situation are uninsured with the majority of the remainder in the same status.
It looks to me as if it is you who are the hate-monger.
actually unsafe behaviors lead to an increased risk of transmission...would you call a man who has sex with other men on the down low (which is one reason that the african-american community has such high rates of infection) a 'lifestyle'?
do you consider driving a lifestyle, because fatal car accidents account for more deaths every year than HIV/AIDS? how many of your fellow drivers are doing so uninsured?
Here is an inconvenient truth for you. The truth is, it is not known what the real infection rate within the heterosexual community are because of low testing. Many AIDS related deaths in the heterosexual community are reported as pneumonia. As a RN I can tell you that HIV/AIDS is still a "dirty little secret" within the heterosexual community and when people die of AIDS, they wont report it because they don't want to cause grief for the family. Gays are more easily targeted because gays get more tested and more focus is put on gays because they are a smaller and more easily managed group of people for testing and research purposes.
Obamacare will fix it. Of course all the liberal greenie warmists keep saying there are too many people on Earth. So maybe Obamacare won't fix it after all.
Gays are a wonderful addition to the population and won't be going anywhere.
Come on, gay men! It's been almost 30 years since HIV was discovered to be rampant in the gay community! You still haven't learned to be more cautious? Sex with random guys in waysides may not be a good idea, for example. I do know some monogamous, gay couples. It is possible. Start protecting yourself or keep it in your pants. And to all of you closet cases out there utilizing the waysides, stay away from women!
It's just unbelieveable that after all the education, going through the AIDS scare in the 80's, that still 1 in 5 are infected.
Hi Rachel, by far the fastest growing segment of infection is in young people. :( Most of these kids had sex education under the abstence only or dont even mention the idea of homosexuality in the classroom.
Education everywhere has failed, schools, parents and peers :(
Warchief, you might want to let your straight buddies that participate in oral and anal sex with their wives your interesting point of view. Let's see how long it takes before they tell you to take a jump in the river, assuming they are honest enough to admit they do it.
Well..lesson is, AIDS and Hep isn't going away. If you must indulge in the 'detestable and abominable sin of buggery' (historical quoted) use a damn rubber.
and you do know that it is also not normal, again a poor choice. one cannot procreate with anal sex with a woman either, thusfore it is against natural design and equally unhealthy. a penis belongs in a vagina period. thats how we were designed. anything else is simply impropper and a show of the deteriorating society we are growing into.
a penis belongs in a vagina period. thats how we were designed
I take it you want to reinstate all the old sodomy laws. What should be the prison term for a blow job?
Your designer seems incompetent since he put the anus and vagina at the same approximate height and with similar diameter. Sometimes it's easy to enter an unintended hole. I'd suggest suing your designer for poor engineering.
skrekk, that is the stupidest thing i have read so far. you are certainly not one to speak of the incompetence of others, based on that ridiculous post. Anal sex, whether a straight couple or gay couple are doing it, is unbelievably unsanitary. You are inserting your penis in a canal that is used to excrete FECES. FECES! Furthermore, the anus and vagina are not similar in any fashion other than they are both orifices. The anus is NOT built for penetration. One must have anal sex multiple times to stretch out the anal sphincter so that it is not painful. There is no natural lubrication to facilitate sex. Plus, anal sex leads to UTI's, hepatitis, and hemorroids. To liken the anal canal to a vagina offends me. Read a book on anatomy/physiology, PLEASE!
wasn't there a stink a couple of months ago about the fact that african-americans have the highest rate of HIV infection out of all categorized US races...
what people who believe it's "god's will" forget is that the rate of transmissions between lesbians is very low, not that it doesn't happen but it is more difficult. don't you think if god was wanting to smite all these abominable people for the deplorable actions he would find a way to do so with equal fervor?
Hey Daniel, why don't you go stone your family members to death. I'm assuming they've worked on the sabbath at one point in their life. Exodus 35:2. Check it out! The bible rocks! Did your daughter curse at you? Sorry honey, go grab the bag of rocks so I can stone you to death. Leviticus 20:9.
It's time to get out of the diaper and start thinking for yourself.
God forbid eating shellfish for exactly the same reason - he's a moron.
Daniel, I trust you follow all of god's word to the letter, and kill your children when they disobey. Or do you think your judgment is superior to god's?
I believe that shrekk is pointing out a general point here. If you claim to be something, like a Christian, and you use specific quotes and texts as a reason why you feel someone should be denied rights and/or abused, then you should follow all of the text, not just the parts that make you feel better for your hatred. But those that don't follow the tenants of said doctrine are held to none of them.
Precisely. Daniel and numan appear to be cafeteria Christians who use their religion to justify their hate, but ignore inconvenient text like the order to murder your disobedient children.
What? Haven't they heard what the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has said? And the Hollywood and NY Courts of Elitist Opinion? That the gay "lifestyle" is in every way equal to the heterosexual lifestyle in value to society! That a gay lifestyle in no way threatens or impacts heterosexuals around them? Tell that to the billing office at your local hospital or hospice. Your health insurance costs wouldn't be a bit higher despite what gays call "gay plague", right? Anti-retrovirals are as cheap as aspirin to the government, right? So don't sweat it. Show everyone how cool you are by giving it a try. What have you got to lose? You might even get a role in a TV series! A billion years of evolution,and 200,000 years of human development just has to be wrong according to a gay California judge. Could he possibly be wrong?
In light of the current debate over repeal of the military policy "don't ask, don't tell" the 1 in 5 statistic is telling. In the military, each man needs to be a suitable blood donor, because we do ask our servicemen and women to go into harm's way and the man next to you may be asked to save your life by his donation. So there is a good reason for prohibiting sexually active homosexual men in the military as well as the prohibition on sexually active homosexuals serving as blood donors. Concealing a homosexual lifestyle does no one any favors so what is the solution? Military units segregated by sexual orientation? How do we treat all people with justice - which I suggest means allowing each person their freedom, so long as it does not detract from the freedom of those around them? Until a better solution is found, it seems the prohibitions are needed.
The Defense Department requires all military personnel on active duty and all members of the reserve and National Guard to be tested for the presence of HIV antibodies at least biennially. Soldiers who receive overseas assignment instructions, or are scheduled for overseas duty that will exceed 179 days, must have tested negative within six months of the departure date.
Soldiers who are infected with HIV will not be deployed outside of the continental United States. Soldiers serving outside the continental U.S who are confirmed as HIV-positive will be expeditiously reassigned to the continental U.S.
The U.S. Army Special Operations Command and Ranger organizations are totally closed to those who are infected with HIV. HIV-positive soldiers may face additional restrictions as determined by the U.S. Department of Defense.
A military doctor can notify the spouse of a reservist, if that reservist has tested positive for HIV.
You equate gay men and women in the military with disease-infested, bottom-dwelling sewer rats! How dare you call up-standing soldiers of this country that sort of filth. Why don't you look at heterosexual people in the military at the diseases they get from being abroad or from each other? There is no difference. Are you going to ban heterosexuals, too?
the statistic is skewed it states gay men LIVING in cities. 1 in 5 gay men in CITIES. in other words the most active population segment. what if they based hetrosexual behavior on the results of testing college students? youd also get skewed results.
Real fine reporting, no specific references as to exactly who is making this report, or what the objective of the report is.
Worldwide, year before last, the highest reported incident of new HIV infections were among heterosexual females, and the highest area of reported infection concentrations was on the African Continent.
This stands to reason, because the first known case was in Republic of Congo, it has been known to exist for over 60 years.
What I would question is, if only half those who are infected, know they are infected, how would those reporting these alleged facts, know this to be factual? Or is it an estimation based on supposition?
It's kinda funny a small inconsequential surgical procedure known as circumcision is supposed to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. Blows that theory to bits! Newborn circumcision does not prevent the spread of HIV. Adult circumcision? Possibly. Not definite. Of course, no one reports that.
As a gay man, this number does not surprise me in the slightest. Many gay men vehemently defend their lifestyle choices and assume all who dare criticize them are close minded and homophobic. This is pathetic.
While I agree that there is still a battle to be fought with regards to getting equal rights in this country, it does not justify 1 in 5 of us having a terminal disease that you catch from having vast amounts of unsafe sex.
Unfortunately the gay community is its own worst enemy. Everything about it is hyper sexualized, and if you are introduced to "the scene" at a young age you will begin to think this is the norm. Many heterosexuals are ignorant to not only what actually goes on but also to what is considered completely normal behavior.
A good example is gay dating websites. Mainstream sites are used (for the most part) for random sexual encounters. The profiles even have spaces where you put your fetishes and sexual positions. What kind of message does this send out to young gay men? These are not websites used by the fringe of our community, they are mainstream and it totally sends out the wrong message.
And to mpmorin78 regarding circumcision protecting you against HIV, this is totally wrong. Most men in the USA are circumcised yet we have far higher instances of HIV than Europe, where most men are not circumcised. Don't go around spreading this load of bull.
swim, as a gay man, I agree with you, for the most part. But, I'm curious....if there was another deadly sexually transmitted virus that had no cure that was passed on to other individuals most easily through vaginal sex, do you think there would be just as big a problem within the hetero community? I think a very strong argument could be made in answering "yes" to that question.
we live in a very sexualized society. sex is used as the primary tool to sell us almost everything. I do agree that within the gay community it's even more so, but, our society overall is all about sex.
Why is there such a high rate of aids infections in the big urban areas, like NYC....very simple because there are LOTS and LOTS of young sexually active people living in fairly close proximity to each other.....gay and straight. So, i think there is just as much sex going on with these young straight urban people, but, they, while are not totally safe from aids, have a smaller chance of contracting it.
So, im not so sure this is a "gay" issue, but rather a "human" issue. unfortunately, for the gay community though, it is a gay issue because anal sex is one of the best ways to spread the virus.
Rob...Do you think it would be accurate to say the if AIDS were confined to Homosexuals, that most people wouldn't care? I've often wondered if if all the attention paid to AIDS is less concern for others and more fear for themselves.
Rob...the gay community is WAY more overtly sexual than the heterosexual community to the point where it literally encompasses the gay identity. i often consider myself homosexual rather than gay because I don't subscribe to all the crap that goes along with being labeled gay.
the fact that mainstream gay dating websites let you put your preferred sex positions and pictures of your penis on your profile says it all really. there are no mainstream heterosexual dating websites that would allow anything as blatant as this. not to mention that gay bathhouses are still frequented by a significant minority of gay men. i am not prude, but having anonymous sex in a dark room with other people watching is not something i think we as a community should espouse or even accept as socially normal behavior. it sends completely the wrong message damages our fight for equal rights.
and I really cannot agree with you that heterosexuals have as much anonymous sex as gay men. every gay man i know has had WAY more sexual partners than any of my straight friends. mostly because it is readily available on the internet, at bars, at clubs, etc. this is not the case for heterosexuals.
and even if it is readily available, you only get HIV if you don't use a condom so that is another issue.
Thank you, swim. Being a classical musician, I have a lot of gay friends. I have heard about much of the sexual encounter behaviors that you describe. You are soooo right. The random encounters far surpass those of any of my straight male friends. Is that really something to be proud of? I think the gay community needs to get their act together and stop promoting "bathroom sex". Thank you for bringing some much needed wisdom to this discussion, and for representing the gay community in a positive light. By the way, I am a married, straight woman and former fag hag! :)
swim, you are doing the community overall a disservice by lumping us all into one big sex-crazed group of dirty people.......of course, you exclude yourself from this....but all other gay men.....bath houses, dark rooms, anonymous sex, unsafe sex....that's what we are all about....all of us....except you, of course.
Do you actually think all other gay men are like this? You are the only "decent" one out there? Are there subcultures of the gay community that still live like it's the 1970s? Sure there are. Is it all gay men.....is it even most gay men? I'd say absolutely not.
And to let these ignorant beliefs about all of us to continue, to even actually promote them is just sad. I am not frequenting bath houses....you are not frequenting bath houses.....the LARGE % of my gay friends do not frequent bath houses. And yet, according to you we all are (except you).
I'm not going to sit here and say we are all prudes and live like monks, but, sheesh....come on. Sure lots of gay male websites are out there that promote sex. But, you dont think there are straight websites out there doing the same thing??? come on. be real.
I've had my share of "hookups" over the years. I've met some guys from these websites. But, I've also been in a committed relationship for the last 13 years.
You forget, this is still how a large % of gay men have to meet other gay men.....for large numbers, meeting on the "dl" is the only way they dare do something like that. Many are terrified of being found out....and all of them see no way for them to have a real relationship....so many of them resort to this kind of behavior. THAT is the real problem here. Yes there are subcultures who live as you see, but the reason most meet in the way they do is because there is no other acceptable way for them to do it....in their eyes. That is the sad thing. And it's sad, how quickly you have forgotten what that part of being gay is about.
we spend more tax dollars on the obese, smokers, and those addicted to drugs. all of which are the result of poor choices, i dont see how this is any diffrent?
Cynic, I would agree with that. Stop multiple partners or use condoms or stop using dirty needles. However, what I think you meant was stop being homosexual, which would be the wrong analysis.
When will all of you realize that gay men have no monopoly on any sexual practice; straight couples have anal intercourse, other oral activities....quit being such bigoted haters and educate youth and help end this disease. Is your relative who died of lung cancer less deserving of compassion because they smoked? Get real and join humanity.
Jeff...As a general rule not as often or with as many others. I have yet to walk through a park and observed hetrosexuals lining up others for anonomous sex.Would you be surprised to learn that I think a Man that performs Oral sex 8-10 other men that he has never seen before and will never see again is a little _____________.Fill in your own word.
Cynic, you are a moron. They straights may not go to parks, but they are calling up hookers left and right....I know plenty of man whores and plenty of women that make the word slut seem like a day in the park.
The truth is anyone that is not taking any precautions are going to get ill. Gay or Straight.
Now, if you are unwilling to accept that...you are bigot. I will alert the Church in Kansas of your pending membership
Oh come on MSNBC. I know this is just a Reuters feed but could you put on a more accurate headline?
It's nearly 1 in 5 gay men, bisexual men, and men who have sex with men. A much broader group than just men who identify as gay.
My my, sounds like just another slow news day ! ! ! !
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Huh? The reporter is trying to draw attention to a potential quiet epidemic. He is trying to present facts so those who are not infected, yet, can become educated on the matter before they and their loved one's become infected.
Unbelievable! If they, reporters, didn't report it then people like you would be screaming cover-up!
Can't win no matter what you do when it comes to human beings! Warped!
Thanks for your observation. Facts are facts. People need to be constantly reminded of the risks they are potentially taking and make changes in their behavior (condoms, safe sex practices, etc.) to make sure they are safe regardless of their sexual orientation.
Greater emphasis needs to be put on safe sex education...and I don't mean teaching kids to not have sex...they're going to have it anyway...and I hope they have safe sex.
Newsreports like this one need to take center stage so that all people know the risks involved in HIV/AIDS and that they need to practice safe sex regardless of their own sexuality.
humans by nature are designed to have heterosexual sex, we are equiped the way we are and designed as such to procreate. that is how life progresses. this is not biblical, it is scientific fact. it is not normal to have sexual intercourse with the same sex period. it is a choice one makes, just like choosing to do drugs. a man and a man cannot procreate just like 2 women cant. humans are designed to procreate. and going against the natural flow of nature is what is continuing this problem. simply a oppinion based on fact that we as human beings are designed a certain way and in no way am i hating on gays. i just believe it is a poor choice and not natural in any aspect
if this article is in any way even half way correct then theres a health care time bomb out there
if youve been sexually active with out using protection get tested.. doesn't matter if youre gay or not
and use the condoms! what the @!$%# do you think they were invented for! not party balloons asshats!
come on, @logicalthinker. so, by your reasoning, sex should only be had as a means of procreation? what about straight people who are not able to have children, for health, biological, or other reasons? are they not to have sex either? Is their sex life unnatural, too? Less a means of connecting physically, emotionally, and becoming closer and more intimate with another human being, and more the robotic function of sperm meet egg?
I'm certain, you have only had sex with the intention of having a child. While you say that you are not "hating on gays", your tone and intent is quite inflammatory.
Washington DC which has a median income of 150% the National family income has a HIV/AIDS infection rate of 3+%, higher than Haiti.
You can not blame low income level, lack of education, or lack of available good health care. It is poor life style choices and being unwilling to use common sense precautions.
Many countries have found their fastest growning segment is not MSM but IV Drug users. While in the USA it is still MSM, with large numbers being infected while in JAIL, 4x the rate of the general population.
"Washington DC which has a median income of 150% the National family income has a HIV/AIDS infection rate of 3+%, higher than Haiti."
that only proves there are fewer senators in Haiti..
your assertion is only indicative if you assume AIDS is spread uniformly across the income spectrum. Take a stats class. geez.
It's nature's way of telling you, SOMETHING'S WRONG. Unhealthy lifestyle = early death. So many homosexual men are consumed with self-hatred, maybe this is what they want. Ate up with HIV and promiscuous, sleeping with any other man that agrees is going to have bad consequences, no matter how much the media tries to sell the gay lifestyle as acceptable and normal.
Are you being a bigot? or a religious crazy? I can't tell.
Are you saying homosexual men are getting this because nature is punishing them?
Maybe its just because they are making bad choices when it comes to sex and their partners and has nothing to do with them being gay.
Sounds like you have some first hand experience with this Nate. Go on...
What? Allowing another man to insert his penis into your bodily orifices is just "making bad choices when it comes to sex" rather than gay behavior?
So if I shoot myself in the head, is that simply "making bad choices about firearms?" If I overdose on heroin, is it "making bad choices about needles?" No, like gay behavior, both of these activities are risky and potentially life-threatening.
etothex can repeat all the euphemisms he (assuming gender here) wants, but it doesn't change the fact that if you are a man who allows another man to sexually penetrate your anus or mouth it DOES make you gay and is much more likely than heterosexual (normal) sex to give you a fatal disease. And the government has no right to seize money I earn to pay for the mistakes made by those who engage in self-destructive behavior.
The high cost of AIDS treatment is 1 reason they want their "partners" added to their healthcare. Result will be higher costs passed on to other insured parties or taxpayers.
Straight woman speaking: It seems like some of the gay-haters are trying to make sex between two men sound dirty by being overly-clinical about it. Remember Packer Fan - you also insert your penis into women's "bodily orifices". That doesn't exactly sound pretty either.
The reality is that gay people don't have the same support systems and rights that everyone else gets to take for granted. And that is going to have far-reaching impacts in ways that may be unexpected.
Think about it - if you were a gay person that was raised in a home with someone like "real packer fan" as your dad. And you grew up hating yourself because you thought something was really wrong with you. And so you married a woman to try to be someone you aren't, and you think that you can just repress all of your feelings. And that who you are at your core eventually takes over, and you decide to go out and have sex with another man. But because you are so f'd up about it, you probably aren't well-versed in how to have safe sex, or you do it in a unsavory environment, with some random guy because you're scared to death someone is going to find out. And then afterwards you are too terrified to discuss it with your family doctor, and too terrified to think that maybe something has happened. But you can't stop and you keep having unsafe sex, and before long you've got HIV yourself, and you've contributed to the HIV in the gay community. And put your family at risk.
It just seems so obvious to me that we should let all people have the same rights, and we should be open with everyone about human sexuality. By making certain activities ilicit, you are restricing the ability of people to have healthy and stable sexual and emotional relationships.
Finally, a statistic to remind everyone that you can't just target gay people for STD's. 1 in 4 young adults (age range 15-24) contracts an STD each year.
humans by nature are designed to have heterosexual sex, we are equiped the way we are and designed as such to procreate. that is how life progresses. this is not biblical, it is scientific fact. it is not normal to have sexual intercourse with the same sex period. it is a choice one makes, just like choosing to do drugs. a man and a man cannot procreate just like 2 women cant. humans are designed to procreate. and going against the natural flow of nature is what is continuing this problem. simply a oppinion based on fact that we as human beings are designed a certain way and in no way am i hating on gays. i just believe it is a poor choice and not natural in any aspect.
What is "scientific fact" is that animals of many, many species have been documented as having same-sex sexual activity. If that's not "natural" someone needs to tell nature. Moreover, if inability to procreate should preclude sex, then any woman who is infertile and any man who is sterile should not only abstain from sex, but WANT to - after all, it's "unnatural" for them to have sex if it's not for procreation, right? That would make their own sexual desires "unnatural". By your "logical thinking" birth control ought to be completely unnecessary, since only people who want to have children should have any desire to have sex.
I think your point is what polite people call "absolute and complete stupidity".
Reading NateBob465 's pathetic comment, I must assume he is expressing his deep understanding of Christian love. Admittedly, there are some gay men, who, because of a rotten self-image (possibly due to interactions with people like NateBob435) are self-destructive. But most gay men I know have processed all that garbage, put it behind them, and now are some of the most caring, sympathetic individuals I know. These men know the meaning of faith, hope, charity and love.
Many also know the meaning of twinks, fisting, rimming, bears, gift-givers, bug-chasers and water sports. So what?
FudgePackerFan, you sound extremely well-versed in various aspects of "the gay lifestyle". Is there something hiding in your closet besides YOU?!?
PS - real packer fan. read my comment above. it's so sad to me how people use the cover of anonymity on the internet to spread their hatred. i pray to god (yes, i'm a christian), that you don't have kids of your own, who are either going to grow up exactly like you (god forbid) or turn out to be totally f***ed up because of your intolerance.
I love the assumption that any and all "perversions" are solely contained in the gay community. *rolls eyes* Do you not think those things also exist in the heterosexual community? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are no "perversions" that are solely owned by the homosexual community that doesn't apply to the heterosexual community.
As far as the repeated comment about gay sex being "unnatural", there are plenty of non biased studies to show you are wrong in your assertion. Folks like you are the ones that help add to the psychological demise of gay and lesbian youth. Suicide is the number 3 killer of teens 14-25. Gay and lesbian teens are at a 4x's higher risk. You tell someone long enough that they are bad, wrong, etc, and they will start to believe it. It's a basic psychological truth. Then after you have beat down and warped some young persons mind, then you can sit back and say, "See, I told ya." Well good for you. I'm glad that you take so much delight in destroying people for something they cannot change. And before someone says, "But you can change," not one non biased report has confirmed that except that the suicide rate among those trying to change exceeds those who do "change." Also, the relapse rate from "changed" has not be studied because they don't want anyone to know that the "change" is so miserable that the majority can't make it last.
Perversion and (unnatural) sex acts are synonymous. The same thing. Any same sex sexual contact is perversion and therefore unnatural and wrong, contrary to what is right. And just like those "gay" teens are making a conscious "choice" to engage in such perverse and despicable behavior bringing reproach and shame on their families they also make the choice to end their lives which is also shameful.
I sure hope that God doesn't use the same standards to judge you Howard. Your uncharitable attitude and judgment are pretty hi on God's "Do Not Do" list. Let me know how that works out for ya, ok?
The "didn't know they had it" data seems a little fuzzy. I mean, EVERY person with HIV did not know they had it at one point or another, thats what the test is for. It's not like you skin turns blue when you come in contact with HIV, you need a test, and until then, you of course wont know you have it. Kind of a silly statistic.
I always said AIDS would cure homosexuality...
Your stupidity is showing. HIV infection rates around the world are higher in heterosexual populations. Guess HIV/AIDS will, according to your thinking, wipe out the heterosexuals first world wide. Hmmmmm. Read the facts about world wide health risks.
I always thought a car fire would resolve any issues a bigot was having.
Guess you were wrong about your hypothesis DB. There are diseases that take out 1/3 of people who get them, non cancer related. I guess you better hope and pray for something better, because AIDS just isn't cutting it to get what you want.
Sorry, you bigot! Gays are a wonderful addition to the population and won't be going anywhere. We are not the disease, you are! We need more hate mongering people like you need another hole in your head. I wish people like you would dry up and blow away.
The facts are clear and there is a much higher incidence of infection and transmission among this "High Risk" group. And yes, some people think homosexuality is wrong. It is their belief and maybe it is you who are the bigot for attacking their strongly held and sincere beliefs.
The conclusions of the study are clear and perhaps the authors of the study are bigots too because they point out a fact - And that is that the homosexual lifestyle and practices aid in the spread of HIV, period?
Oh yes, and the article did not address it but I wonder how many of those infected are without Health Insurance. I'll bet virtually all of the approx 1/2 who were unaware of their situation are uninsured with the majority of the remainder in the same status.
It looks to me as if it is you who are the hate-monger.
actually unsafe behaviors lead to an increased risk of transmission...would you call a man who has sex with other men on the down low (which is one reason that the african-american community has such high rates of infection) a 'lifestyle'?
do you consider driving a lifestyle, because fatal car accidents account for more deaths every year than HIV/AIDS? how many of your fellow drivers are doing so uninsured?
I think you mean "dry up and blow" don't you? the word away was a typo.
Bigots like Mac seem unaware that 2/3rds of all AIDS cases worldwide are transmitted through straight sex.
The US stats are an anomaly, and other demographic groups like blacks also have a disproportionately high incidence rate.
sounds like you're pretty bigoted yourself. rendering evil for evil will get nowhere.
Mac and numan,
Here is an inconvenient truth for you. The truth is, it is not known what the real infection rate within the heterosexual community are because of low testing. Many AIDS related deaths in the heterosexual community are reported as pneumonia. As a RN I can tell you that HIV/AIDS is still a "dirty little secret" within the heterosexual community and when people die of AIDS, they wont report it because they don't want to cause grief for the family. Gays are more easily targeted because gays get more tested and more focus is put on gays because they are a smaller and more easily managed group of people for testing and research purposes.
Obamacare will fix it. Of course all the liberal greenie warmists keep saying there are too many people on Earth. So maybe Obamacare won't fix it after all.
Well the ones with HIV will be going somewhere.
Come on, gay men! It's been almost 30 years since HIV was discovered to be rampant in the gay community! You still haven't learned to be more cautious? Sex with random guys in waysides may not be a good idea, for example. I do know some monogamous, gay couples. It is possible. Start protecting yourself or keep it in your pants. And to all of you closet cases out there utilizing the waysides, stay away from women!
It's just unbelieveable that after all the education, going through the AIDS scare in the 80's, that still 1 in 5 are infected.
Hi Rachel, by far the fastest growing segment of infection is in young people. :( Most of these kids had sex education under the abstence only or dont even mention the idea of homosexuality in the classroom.
Education everywhere has failed, schools, parents and peers :(
Most homosexuals are not very clean sexually, or smart people so 20% doesn't surprise me.
well, anal sex isn't very clean either ... sorry
Twisted behavior leads to sickness.
Dan....really? any actually evidence to back that up or you just relying solely on your hate and ignorance?
Warchief, you might want to let your straight buddies that participate in oral and anal sex with their wives your interesting point of view. Let's see how long it takes before they tell you to take a jump in the river, assuming they are honest enough to admit they do it.
1/5 - that's Russian Roulette in the gay community. Good luck not catching it & spreading it
Well..lesson is, AIDS and Hep isn't going away. If you must indulge in the 'detestable and abominable sin of buggery' (historical quoted) use a damn rubber.
you do know anal sex is a fairly widely accepted hetero practice too, right?
and you do know that it is also not normal, again a poor choice. one cannot procreate with anal sex with a woman either, thusfore it is against natural design and equally unhealthy. a penis belongs in a vagina period. thats how we were designed. anything else is simply impropper and a show of the deteriorating society we are growing into.
I take it you want to reinstate all the old sodomy laws. What should be the prison term for a blow job?
Your designer seems incompetent since he put the anus and vagina at the same approximate height and with similar diameter. Sometimes it's easy to enter an unintended hole. I'd suggest suing your designer for poor engineering.
skrekk, that is the stupidest thing i have read so far. you are certainly not one to speak of the incompetence of others, based on that ridiculous post. Anal sex, whether a straight couple or gay couple are doing it, is unbelievably unsanitary. You are inserting your penis in a canal that is used to excrete FECES. FECES! Furthermore, the anus and vagina are not similar in any fashion other than they are both orifices. The anus is NOT built for penetration. One must have anal sex multiple times to stretch out the anal sphincter so that it is not painful. There is no natural lubrication to facilitate sex. Plus, anal sex leads to UTI's, hepatitis, and hemorroids. To liken the anal canal to a vagina offends me. Read a book on anatomy/physiology, PLEASE!
wasn't there a stink a couple of months ago about the fact that african-americans have the highest rate of HIV infection out of all categorized US races...
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/
what people who believe it's "god's will" forget is that the rate of transmissions between lesbians is very low, not that it doesn't happen but it is more difficult. don't you think if god was wanting to smite all these abominable people for the deplorable actions he would find a way to do so with equal fervor?
God didn't forbid homosexuality without good cause. Think about it.
Your god apparently really loves lesbians since they have the lowest AIDS rate of all demographic groups.
skrekk. lol...maybe god is a lesbian??
please remember it was the DEVIL who claimed MAN was unworthy of gods love. every time you repeat it your sending his message.
GOD was pretty clear on how he felt about that message.
God raped me!
Hey Daniel, why don't you go stone your family members to death. I'm assuming they've worked on the sabbath at one point in their life. Exodus 35:2. Check it out! The bible rocks! Did your daughter curse at you? Sorry honey, go grab the bag of rocks so I can stone you to death. Leviticus 20:9.
It's time to get out of the diaper and start thinking for yourself.
God didn't forbid homosexuality without good cause. Think about it.
God forbid eating shellfish for exactly the same reason - he's a moron.
Daniel, I trust you follow all of god's word to the letter, and kill your children when they disobey. Or do you think your judgment is superior to god's?
is your judgement better than God's? it seems that you think so.
I believe that shrekk is pointing out a general point here. If you claim to be something, like a Christian, and you use specific quotes and texts as a reason why you feel someone should be denied rights and/or abused, then you should follow all of the text, not just the parts that make you feel better for your hatred. But those that don't follow the tenants of said doctrine are held to none of them.
Precisely. Daniel and numan appear to be cafeteria Christians who use their religion to justify their hate, but ignore inconvenient text like the order to murder your disobedient children.
What? Haven't they heard what the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has said? And the Hollywood and NY Courts of Elitist Opinion? That the gay "lifestyle" is in every way equal to the heterosexual lifestyle in value to society! That a gay lifestyle in no way threatens or impacts heterosexuals around them? Tell that to the billing office at your local hospital or hospice. Your health insurance costs wouldn't be a bit higher despite what gays call "gay plague", right? Anti-retrovirals are as cheap as aspirin to the government, right? So don't sweat it. Show everyone how cool you are by giving it a try. What have you got to lose? You might even get a role in a TV series! A billion years of evolution,and 200,000 years of human development just has to be wrong according to a gay California judge. Could he possibly be wrong?
In light of the current debate over repeal of the military policy "don't ask, don't tell" the 1 in 5 statistic is telling. In the military, each man needs to be a suitable blood donor, because we do ask our servicemen and women to go into harm's way and the man next to you may be asked to save your life by his donation. So there is a good reason for prohibiting sexually active homosexual men in the military as well as the prohibition on sexually active homosexuals serving as blood donors. Concealing a homosexual lifestyle does no one any favors so what is the solution? Military units segregated by sexual orientation? How do we treat all people with justice - which I suggest means allowing each person their freedom, so long as it does not detract from the freedom of those around them? Until a better solution is found, it seems the prohibitions are needed.
That's why everyone gets tested at least every 6 months, active duty or reserves.
http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/hiv_testing.html#military
You equate gay men and women in the military with disease-infested, bottom-dwelling sewer rats! How dare you call up-standing soldiers of this country that sort of filth. Why don't you look at heterosexual people in the military at the diseases they get from being abroad or from each other? There is no difference. Are you going to ban heterosexuals, too?
the statistic is skewed it states gay men LIVING in cities. 1 in 5 gay men in CITIES. in other words the most active population segment. what if they based hetrosexual behavior on the results of testing college students? youd also get skewed results.
Real fine reporting, no specific references as to exactly who is making this report, or what the objective of the report is.
Worldwide, year before last, the highest reported incident of new HIV infections were among heterosexual females, and the highest area of reported infection concentrations was on the African Continent.
This stands to reason, because the first known case was in Republic of Congo, it has been known to exist for over 60 years.
What I would question is, if only half those who are infected, know they are infected, how would those reporting these alleged facts, know this to be factual? Or is it an estimation based on supposition?
Why allow gay marriage? To continue HIV transfer, right?
So you want gays to marry straights and have sex with them? That's brilliant.
yup cause no straight man ever infected his wife with AIDS!!!!
AIDS is God's, Darwin's, and Natures way of telling people homosexuality is wrong.
It has nothing to do with homosexuality. It has everything to do with promiscuity and dirty people.
...because as we all know, only "dirty persons" get sick.
Are you retarded? Nevermind...
It's kinda funny a small inconsequential surgical procedure known as circumcision is supposed to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. Blows that theory to bits! Newborn circumcision does not prevent the spread of HIV. Adult circumcision? Possibly. Not definite. Of course, no one reports that.
As a gay man, this number does not surprise me in the slightest. Many gay men vehemently defend their lifestyle choices and assume all who dare criticize them are close minded and homophobic. This is pathetic.
While I agree that there is still a battle to be fought with regards to getting equal rights in this country, it does not justify 1 in 5 of us having a terminal disease that you catch from having vast amounts of unsafe sex.
Unfortunately the gay community is its own worst enemy. Everything about it is hyper sexualized, and if you are introduced to "the scene" at a young age you will begin to think this is the norm. Many heterosexuals are ignorant to not only what actually goes on but also to what is considered completely normal behavior.
A good example is gay dating websites. Mainstream sites are used (for the most part) for random sexual encounters. The profiles even have spaces where you put your fetishes and sexual positions. What kind of message does this send out to young gay men? These are not websites used by the fringe of our community, they are mainstream and it totally sends out the wrong message.
And to mpmorin78 regarding circumcision protecting you against HIV, this is totally wrong. Most men in the USA are circumcised yet we have far higher instances of HIV than Europe, where most men are not circumcised. Don't go around spreading this load of bull.
swim, as a gay man, I agree with you, for the most part. But, I'm curious....if there was another deadly sexually transmitted virus that had no cure that was passed on to other individuals most easily through vaginal sex, do you think there would be just as big a problem within the hetero community? I think a very strong argument could be made in answering "yes" to that question.
we live in a very sexualized society. sex is used as the primary tool to sell us almost everything. I do agree that within the gay community it's even more so, but, our society overall is all about sex.
Why is there such a high rate of aids infections in the big urban areas, like NYC....very simple because there are LOTS and LOTS of young sexually active people living in fairly close proximity to each other.....gay and straight. So, i think there is just as much sex going on with these young straight urban people, but, they, while are not totally safe from aids, have a smaller chance of contracting it.
So, im not so sure this is a "gay" issue, but rather a "human" issue. unfortunately, for the gay community though, it is a gay issue because anal sex is one of the best ways to spread the virus.
Rob...Do you think it would be accurate to say the if AIDS were confined to Homosexuals, that most people wouldn't care? I've often wondered if if all the attention paid to AIDS is less concern for others and more fear for themselves.
Rob...the gay community is WAY more overtly sexual than the heterosexual community to the point where it literally encompasses the gay identity. i often consider myself homosexual rather than gay because I don't subscribe to all the crap that goes along with being labeled gay.
the fact that mainstream gay dating websites let you put your preferred sex positions and pictures of your penis on your profile says it all really. there are no mainstream heterosexual dating websites that would allow anything as blatant as this. not to mention that gay bathhouses are still frequented by a significant minority of gay men. i am not prude, but having anonymous sex in a dark room with other people watching is not something i think we as a community should espouse or even accept as socially normal behavior. it sends completely the wrong message damages our fight for equal rights.
and I really cannot agree with you that heterosexuals have as much anonymous sex as gay men. every gay man i know has had WAY more sexual partners than any of my straight friends. mostly because it is readily available on the internet, at bars, at clubs, etc. this is not the case for heterosexuals.
and even if it is readily available, you only get HIV if you don't use a condom so that is another issue.
Thank you, swim. Being a classical musician, I have a lot of gay friends. I have heard about much of the sexual encounter behaviors that you describe. You are soooo right. The random encounters far surpass those of any of my straight male friends. Is that really something to be proud of? I think the gay community needs to get their act together and stop promoting "bathroom sex". Thank you for bringing some much needed wisdom to this discussion, and for representing the gay community in a positive light. By the way, I am a married, straight woman and former fag hag! :)
Sounds like "swim" hangs out on gay dating sites.
what? of course i have looked at gay dating websites, i am gay dumbass. i am just telling the truth and expressing the reality of the situation
Great....another gay homophobe.
swim, you are doing the community overall a disservice by lumping us all into one big sex-crazed group of dirty people.......of course, you exclude yourself from this....but all other gay men.....bath houses, dark rooms, anonymous sex, unsafe sex....that's what we are all about....all of us....except you, of course.
Do you actually think all other gay men are like this? You are the only "decent" one out there? Are there subcultures of the gay community that still live like it's the 1970s? Sure there are. Is it all gay men.....is it even most gay men? I'd say absolutely not.
And to let these ignorant beliefs about all of us to continue, to even actually promote them is just sad. I am not frequenting bath houses....you are not frequenting bath houses.....the LARGE % of my gay friends do not frequent bath houses. And yet, according to you we all are (except you).
I'm not going to sit here and say we are all prudes and live like monks, but, sheesh....come on. Sure lots of gay male websites are out there that promote sex. But, you dont think there are straight websites out there doing the same thing??? come on. be real.
I've had my share of "hookups" over the years. I've met some guys from these websites. But, I've also been in a committed relationship for the last 13 years.
You forget, this is still how a large % of gay men have to meet other gay men.....for large numbers, meeting on the "dl" is the only way they dare do something like that. Many are terrified of being found out....and all of them see no way for them to have a real relationship....so many of them resort to this kind of behavior. THAT is the real problem here. Yes there are subcultures who live as you see, but the reason most meet in the way they do is because there is no other acceptable way for them to do it....in their eyes. That is the sad thing. And it's sad, how quickly you have forgotten what that part of being gay is about.
we spend more tax dollars on the obese, smokers, and those addicted to drugs. all of which are the result of poor choices, i dont see how this is any diffrent?
AIDS is a disease of behavior....Change your behavior end the disease.
Cynic, I would agree with that. Stop multiple partners or use condoms or stop using dirty needles. However, what I think you meant was stop being homosexual, which would be the wrong analysis.
Condoms break. Stopping anal sex, the true culprit act spreading the disease, is the correct analysis.
When will all of you realize that gay men have no monopoly on any sexual practice; straight couples have anal intercourse, other oral activities....quit being such bigoted haters and educate youth and help end this disease. Is your relative who died of lung cancer less deserving of compassion because they smoked? Get real and join humanity.
Jeff...As a general rule not as often or with as many others. I have yet to walk through a park and observed hetrosexuals lining up others for anonomous sex.Would you be surprised to learn that I think a Man that performs Oral sex 8-10 other men that he has never seen before and will never see again is a little _____________.Fill in your own word.
Jeff..I would like to take exception to your other statement... I don't believe that Smoking causes Cancer.
Cynic, you are a moron. They straights may not go to parks, but they are calling up hookers left and right....I know plenty of man whores and plenty of women that make the word slut seem like a day in the park.
The truth is anyone that is not taking any precautions are going to get ill. Gay or Straight.
Now, if you are unwilling to accept that...you are bigot. I will alert the Church in Kansas of your pending membership
Probably the dumbest thing anyone here has said.