Aids is almost totally preventable. I have no sympathy for those who become infected thru sex or drugs. To fix the problem, simply clean up your act people. We have known for 35 years how it transmits. We have poured billions into education about aids and drugs to treat it. It is time for men and women to take responsibility for themselves.
The only HIV positive person I've known is a black woman who became infected while in what she believed was a monogamous relationship. This is the story for many people, as YOU CAN ONLY TRULY KNOW YOUR OWN SEXUAL HISTORY.
There are horrifying statistics showing how prevalent cheating is even in marriages. Unless couples (married or not) use condoms during every sexual act, they are putting themselves at risk.
I just wanted to argue against the myth that all HIV infections are the result of carelessness or callousness on the part of those infected.
The first person I personally knew who developed aids was a monogomous father of two, happily married. He got aids from a blood transfusion.
How do I know he was monogomous? I sang in a group with him. When we would travel, some of the guys, married and not married, would screw around. He would almost run from females that approached him in an inappropriate manner. He never sought out casual relationships.
He was not gay ... he had two lovely girls and was a doting father.
The urban poor will always be the most vulnerable. Take away access to preventative medical services, access to healthy foods on which to build a proper diet and you will always get the same results - people affected by chronic medical problems.
To the quote made by someone here that the reason its spreading amongst blacks is because they are somehow living immorally, is an absolutely ignorant premise. But considering that America ranks almost dead last in terms of educational services for its citizens really doesn't quite say it, but its no surprise that most American's would tend to believe this.
The causal rapid spread of the disease in poor urban communities can be directly linked to the federal response, or obvious lack there of to this epidemic. The systematic "otherness" associated with HIV AIDS, as if to say that its a disease of this or that group of people also helps to perpetuate the myth that you are more likely to contract the disease if you are amongst a certain demographic group.
HIV AIDS is an indiscriminate killer.
Education, prevention, treatment are the only things proven at stopping the spread of any disease, HIV AIDS not withstanding. Whats needed is a true federal response to this crisis instead of more divisive "notices" coming out of the CDC.
Or America can continue to treat HIV AIDS as if its an epidemic that only effects blacks and gays. The fact that its spread has hastened in these historically marginalized communities is a testament to a much larger problem in America society with roots that reach as far back as to the founding of this nation - Ignorance, discrimination and prejudice.
Its a sad day in the world when in 2010 human beings still allow other human beings to suffer and die simply they perceive them as different. The affected groups behind these statistics are canaries in the coal mine for the rest of America. What happens to them eventually happens to everyone else.
Its not a question of if - but when. History adores repetition.
This is akin to the Darwin awards as related to lifestyle choices. Poor role models. Lack of personal responsibility. Lack of commitment to community. One look at the lyrics of rap music pretty much explains it all.
And yet there are some posters on here that seriously want to blame this on the white man. Professional victims dieing from self inflicted wounds. The irony would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.
Because at least in 2005, over half of new HIV infections were among gay men, even though they are a much, much smaller percentage of the population. Also up to 20% of gay men in cities were HIV positive.
Well for starters HIV can be up to 100,000 times more (no @!$%# on this one) potent when injected through male semen. Seminal plasma carries lots of hormones and other chemicals that are meant to be absorbed by the soft tissue through the vaginal wall into the blood vessels there. This allows the virus an easy way into the body. The anal wall while being a bit stronger works much the same way.
Going in the opposite direction (vaginal secretions through the penis) is much more difficult for the virus, but still possible. Point is that the virus is mainly spread through male semen.
A large proportion of black males are in prison. I'm sure many who are not gay decide to become "bi-sexual" to satisfy sexual urges. Also, drug usage is disproportionately larege among blacks. These are large contributors to aids transmittal, IMO.
Why do these two conditions exist? They range from an unjust "justice system", to reactions to disenfranchisement in society, to poorer economic status, to irresponsibility, historical education and employment deficits ... a myriad of factors have made it more likely to see more blacks in the criminal justice system.
This merely proves the disease was engineered to kill black people
Are you kidding!? No one is making them live like dogs and cats in heat! There is a way to live and not to get aids! There is a high price to pay for low living.
Serious? You cannot be that ignorant. Why don't you get off your ass, stop milking the system, and complaining that the man is keeping you down. You are a good example with what is wrong with the internet. Any ignorant baboon with a computer can be heard.
Of course a bunch of racists come in and start calling me a baboon. It took the government decades to admit the Tuskegee experiment, they'll eventually be forced to admit they were playing god again with HIV.
Ignorant people who believe AIDS is caused by guys having sex with each other is what causes it to spread. They think as long as they are hooking up with a girl, they are safe. I thought we got past saying AIDS was the gay disease a long time ago. It is certainly more prevalent in some groups than others, but it is EVERYBODY's disease. Some get it due to poor choices, others get it from bad luck. If we would all just be smart and stop accusing others of being the problem, like we do with politics, we could defeat this virus.
If we just practiced protected sex before marriage, stopped cheating during marriage, stopped certain types of drug use, and had more testing, we could virtually eliminate this disease. I'm sure there is more than would help, but that would be a great start.
On the bright side, we will have a vaccine someday, and it will be a disease of the past like small pox. On the down side, the rage virus is coming soon. You will all be zombies when that happens. Hope you like eating brains.
Richard there is a very good biological reason why male / male sex tends to spread HIV. Only 5% of ejaculate is sperm, the other 95% is seminal plasma and is composed of lots of different hormones and chemicals. These hormones are designed to go through the vaginal wall and be absorbed into the blood stream by the blood vessels nearby. Yes semen contains lots of interesting chemicals most of which cause that warm feel-good reward mechanism in the female.
That mechanism provides a very easy path for HIV to enter into a female. Now the reverse process isn't nearly as easy. Vaginal secretions are designed to provide lubrication not carry chemicals into the male blood stream. And while its possible for the virus to spread through female secretions into the male penis, especially if there is broken skin, it has a significantly smaller chance of happening. The rarest would be female on female as there just isn't an easy way for the virus to jump partners. This mechanism also works through the anal wall into the blood vessels near the anus. And while the anal wall is tougher and there is less chance, the spreading mechanism (seminal plasma) is the exact same. HIV can live inside seminal plasma nearly indefinitely so it has many many chances at breaking through.
As you see, its not the gay lifestyle, its the fact that you have two members both capable of producing the perfect medium for HIV to spread. And those members are inserting that medium into the most unprotected area's of their body's.
Problem with these numbers is they didn't mention the methods of the study nor differentiate between sex's. A male who only has sex with females has a pretty small chance of getting it from the females. A female who only has sex with males has a moderate chance of getting it. A female who only has sex with other females has a near zero chance of catching it. And a male who has sex with another male or allows infected seminal fluid to get anywhere near unprotected soft tissue has a very high chance of acquiring HIV.
What if you are a little white fella who goes to prison with all the big darkies and they have their way with your bottom and you get the "Package" as the Coloreds say? Are you still to blame?
I hope a$$holes like Harry Weidermier get it this way.
Most of no that there was a Tuskegee experiment where Black men where intentionally infected and studied and let go mad and die. The same syphilis experiments was just uncovered as having been done in Guatemala by the US.
And there is much information afloat over the years that indicates that HIV/AIDS was also manufactured as a biological weapon of war. If so who was the intended recipient of this weapon? Why
Certainly you find that globally it is epidemic in the Continent of Africa, in countries such as Haiti and apparently in Black communities throughout the US.
To top it off you see the cold reaction of demons on this discussion like faggot Harry Widera$$hole (Harry the boyz on the cellblock will love you in pumps and a sun dress, b!tch) and I know that it would be nothing for this government to have been behind this type of evil against Black people.
Alert!!! Someone call the ACLU, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. This has to be another blatant case of racism. It is another conspiracy by white people to keep black people down. It is a travesty...NOT!!!
Perhaps it is time for black people to take some responsibility for their actions. I know this does not include all black people and that many are honest hard working people like most of society. However, why are these numbers so high for one race of people? This is a serious problem for the black community and needs to be addressed within. Rich, wealthy leaders, like Jackson and Sharpton, need to spend more of their energy and wealth on the very people they profess to serve. Wake up black America, your people are dying.
I'm pretty sure part of the reason for their AIDS rate being higher is also environmental. More blacks live in run down poor cities where opportunities for a better life are extremely limited. This type of depressed living often leads to increases in disease. I would expect if you based the research off of economic and environmental factors instead of race, you would see a less drastic difference between Blacks, Whites Asians and so on. In my opinion, the article doesn't address the cause one bit unless more research was done to rule out other factors, and it just wasn't reported.
You need to look at the demographics of those that have been in JAIL.
One in seven Black males have been in JAIL.
One in fifteen Hispanic males have been in JAIL.
One in forty White males have been in JAIL.
The US JAIL population has HIV/AIDS infection rates almost 14x the average US population.
While in JAIL, 7% have been raped and another 21% were coerced into sexual activity.
Partners of prisoners and ex-prisoners are at risk for HIV. The fastest growing segment of the US population with HIV/AIDS are Black females. Each year, nearly 650,000 individuals are released from prisons in the U.S. HIV-positive ex-prisoners may resume former risk-taking behaviors, which can result in a serious decline in health, risk to others, and/or a return to prison.
Twenty to twenty-six percent of people currently with HIV/AIDS have been in JAIL in the USA.
Just because some people ar poor and have lower standards of life, it does not excuse them to live immoral lives changing partners like underwear... I have talked to some black girls I worked with , and seen that they didn't even understand that to say NO to a guy who wants obviously just one thing from them, was a foreign thing. I guess they were raised to think that to hop in bed with someone is like going to lunch with them! It's not the question of color, people!! It's the mentality and values, and lack of them!
They learn this kind of behavior from each other. They hang around with the kind of people who have no moral values, and because their attitude impresses them as "cool " that's what they want to become like... It's no wonder the AIDS is spreading among them, and not just AIDS.. they create so many pregnancies, without ever planing families, to be parents to those babies. IT's true, people, what I'm saying, regardless who likes it or not!...
Yes, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and "Rev" Wright have a job to do, but not the kind they are used to do. How about teaching their people some moral values of self respect, dignity and honor, and stop blaming the White folks for their lack of them! It's funny how those black people who don't fit their mold are even despised by them. But they have learned that dignity, self respect and moral values are there for people of every color to live by them. To sum it all up, black people need to stop glorifying their "black culture" and wallow in misery of it, blaming everyone else for outcome of their self imposed lifestyles...
Hope51 - You chose "hope"? Really? When you offer anything but. Wow- it's amazing how people can climb mighty high on their horses and look down upon someone else's tragedy and pass judgment. You want to talk about teaching black people morals and values, but I don't know if I would believe that you've ever actually spent time with any black people. Do they have black people where you come from or have you only seen them on TV or heard about them in stories your grandpapy told you sittin on the porch wit yer shotgun? I kid, but you really sound ridiculous. Get a grip on reality. You want to talk about how black girls have no morals, have you ever seen a Girls Gone Wild commercial or any one of the numerous reality shows on VH1 and MTV? I see a lot of white girls doing the exact thing you accuse young black girls of doing. I grew up in Beverly Hills surrounded by white girls who did and still do all the stuff you think only amoral black girls do and sometimes more. The only thing that really separates them may be the fact that one group has money and we all know what money can do...get you out of "situations" like pregnancies and provide medications to cure those ugly and annoying STDs. As much as you might like to think that this is a Black issue, I wouldn't give too much credence to the relevance of this article when juxtaposed with the realities of our society. Isn't it ironic that this is probably the shortest article on the site with the fewest facts and that it is grossly absent of any correlation of it's findings to the soci-economic status of those same blacks, whites, hispanics and asians mentioned? It is quite possible to do an incomplete study and even easier to skew those "findings" into something very linear. IMHO, this is not a complete study and is devoid of any substantive evidence that this epidemic can so easily be summed up as an issue perpetuated by "the black culture". What the hell is the black culture anyway? You are so damn out of touch!!!
What the hell is the black culture anyway? You are so damn out of touch!!!
Ask the filthy rapers what it is... They are spreading it like a disease, or better said, with disease! And then they even dare to call themselves "artists" !!!.... the scum of the earth they are...
If I'm out of touch, then what does this make you?!
Anyone who gives blood, that blood is tested. If they have any risky contaminates, the blood is tossed. If they go to the same facility to give, that facility has records .... they are refused.
No. It is common to get HIV through a cheating partner. Homophobia also plays into it. In the African American community lots of men are on the "downlow". See, sexual orientation is self identity. If there is any choice regarding sexual orientation it is related to the labels. We can call ourselves whatever we want. I used to sit on various nonprofit boards in San Francisco and on a committee where we made decisions about which organizations to give what amount of funds to be used for various HIV/AIDS programs. Many men who identify as heterosexual have more sex partners of the same sex in a year than some men who identify as gay or bisexual. That's why to fight the AIDS epidemic organizations have had to re-market their messages for MSMs--Men who have Sex with other Men. Since many do not identify as gay or bisexual, they pay no attention to safer sex messages aimed toward those populations. The organizations do not classify these men as gay or bisexual, because they can't. How gay is gay? How straight is straight? Sexual orientation is on a continuum. They could be gay men who can't face being gay. They could be straight men who like a little spice. Many African cultures have no word for homosexuality, however, quite a few Africans engage in it. It's only when you ask about specific sexual behavior do you get at it. And in some cultures (many Latin and US prison cultures) only the bottom man is gay; that makes the top man heterosexual by definition. You can't tell people how to identify. They'll just walk out of the clinic without a safer sex kit. This is the problem with homophobia. It fuels unsafe sex. Behavior is looked at more than definitions of identity.
Some people are more gay than straight; others are more straight than gay, and to what extent people are attracted to members of the same or opposite sex varies. Some people are attracted to same sex partners emotionally; others physically. Many on both levels. I'm not saying that if a culture doesn't have a name for something, then that something does not exist. (This is a philosophical question.) What I am saying is that something is like the number zero: undefined. And yes, in many Latin American cultures only the bottom man is defined as gay. We just don't understand sexuality. And yes, some behaviors and likely sexual behavior is instinctual.
I'm sure in San Fransisco, every man has had sex with another man. However, in the real world, most of us understand that unnatural, filthy practices result in disease. If we would stop condoning it, and spend more time and energy condoning good family values, we would be closer to fixing the problem.
It's painfully obvious that you've spent way too much time making up excuses for a pretty simple problem.
Posted this above so I'll keep it short. The primary transmission path of HIV is through infected seminal fluid through soft tissue then into the blood stream. The two categories of people who have the most contact with seminal fluid from a possibly infected partner are straight females and homosexual / bisexual males. Seeing as women can't produce seminal fluid, nor have a means to inject into places with soft tissue, it would then lead to the homosexual male as having the highest possible infection rate.
In short, it does matter what your sexuality is. It matters alot.
There were on average 47 Homicides in the USA every day, during 2006.
There were on average 62 HIV/AIDS related deaths in the USA every day, during 2008. The majority of the newly diagnosed cases are due to MSM & IV drug use.
There were 81 total gun deaths, which 45 were suicides (mainly white males) and 27 were murders (mainly black males), during 2004.
There were 117 vehicle related deaths, on average every day during 2004.
And 235 alcohol related deaths, on average every day during 2001.
The vast MAJORITY of these deaths are due to LIFESTYLE CHOICES. Feel free to make any choice you want. But remember that those choices have CONSEQUENCES.
Facts are as they are presented; every taken a statistics course? The problem with this report is that they did not take any other factors but race into consideration when looking at the numbers. For instance, I would be curious to see if they did the percentages along socioeconomic lines, what would be the breakdown? Unfortunately, in our society blacks don't have the same access to education and resources, so it is not surprising that any disease, AIDS included, would be more prominent in this population. Lack of education, a "live hard cause there might not be a tomorrow" lifestyle, less access to medical care, hopelessness, apathy...all can help explain these findings.
A lot more comes into play as to why a certain population has higher "whatever" than another segment, and doing any social science research would point to what may be causing those variations. Incomplete articles like this do nothing but insight shortsighted comments like those above. Do a little bit of research and critical thinking, people.
Unfortunately, in our society blacks don't have the same access to education and resources, so it is not surprising that any disease, AIDS included, would be more prominent in this population. Lack of education, a "live hard cause there might not be a tomorrow" lifestyle, less access to medical care, hopelessness, apathy...all can help explain these findings.
"...don't have the same access to education...";can you please post a photo of a high school in the U.S. with a 'No African-Americans Allowed' sign? Perhaps you could also post the page on the Pell Grant app that states "Pell Grants not available to blacks." How did Dr Condolezza Rice manage to sneak into Notre Dame for her education? Did Princeton know Michelle Obama was black when she was admitted?
Recipe for poverty;
dropping out of high school ( voluntary)
not applying for grants and loans for college (voluntary)
getting pregnant instead of attending school ( voluntary- 100% effective contraception=an aspiring held tightly between the knees.never fails)
associating with low-lifes with no ambition (voluntary)
NYT reported on article in Science last month. Disease started jumping back and forth between humans and apes thousands of years ago when humans ate monkeys. Since there was no treatment, the people died off and the disease was contained.
This disease, all of these diseases are natural. They are the ways nature has controlled the human population at sustainable levels for thousands and thousands of years.
When we let nature take it's course, world population will decline, pollution will decline and the earth will be a garden once again.
How about the the next time you are on a airplane. You and your family can sit next to the people that are coughing and then let nature take its course.
I can choose who I have sex with, but I can not choose who sits next to me on public transportation. Most HIV/AIDS infected people die of TB and they are now spreading the drug resistant TB around the world.
EVERYONE - Should be tested for communicable diseases. Those that are POSITIVE should have their Passports Revoked and be restricted from traveling on public transportation. Until they either DIE or are CURRIED.
Our school system is a failure. All it proves is that the disease is more deeply rooted in the black community and that may be true. It's likely that HIV entered the US by way of someone of African descent. If that is the case, then the virus has been in the black community longer. Hence, the higher infection rate.
This only proves that the system in which we live is engineered to kill those who are unfortunate. 400 hundred years of racial, economic and social injustice has only accelerated this overwhelming threat to the black community. It is the responsibility of the greater institution in charge to provide care, education and resources to those who are in need, chronically incarcerated and disenfranchised. Especially in a time of HIV and AIDS it is inappropriate as wells as irresponsible to pass blame on anyone. Statistics such as these should be a wakeup call to us all!!!
Negative, CG30. Your entitlement mentality and that of the "unfortunate" is most of the reason for the problem. What does it take to get through your thick skull that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE! It's not a difficult concept. But it is so deeply ingrained in you that nothing is your fault, that the "greater institution" is responsible for making it all better when you do something stupid.
Here's the wake-up call. The only person responsible for you is...wait for it... YOU! And you are responsible for studying in school, working hard and obeying the law in order to no longer be "chronically incarceratedand disenfranchised." You say it is inappropriate to pass blame, while you pass blame on all of society.
I guess, in your mind, that because I studied hard, worked hard, and came out of the trailer park I grew up in to be a successful member of society, it's only fair that my money be taken from me and re-distributed, huh?
JonnyUSMC - What do you say to the COUNTLESS blacks who do the exact same thing as you to get out of the hood instead of the trailer park but because when they come out of the hood and are still black, they're still looked down upon and you come out of the trailer park still not-black and are almost immediately trusted? Have you ever been racially discriminated against? I agree that everyone is responsible for their own actions, but by that same logic, we can't control what people do and the prejudices they harbor. Those prejudices affect other people in ways you've probably never imagined, right. And it's not so much about class envy. No one wants to be you. I've talked to plenty of blacks who are perfectly happy being who they are, they only wish the discrimination so many non-blacks refuse to acknowledge would disappear and the playing field would be level. When you talk about blacks the way you're doing now, it should be easy to understand their plight. MANY people have your same "get over it" mentality. I'm sure getting over it would be a lot easier if they weren't constantly RE-introduced to it on such a regular basis.
I mean do disrespect to anyone here or to people with AIDS, but I have a hunch that AIDS is a bio-warfare agent developed and deployed most likely by a pre-apartheid South Africa.
Do you have any proof? Interesting theory. It would definitely benefit white interests in South Africa.
I would think whoever invented it would need to have the backing of a much more powerful country such as the US or the former Soviet Union. It's been shown the Soviets had a much vaster RD program for bio/chemical weapons than the US and that they developed virus's that wouldn't necessarily kill you but cause such fatique that an army exposed to it would not able to fight. I'm sure the US wasn't far behind if at all in similar efforts.
No proof (although I haven't Googled these keywords yet), just following the trail of what parties had the most interest or gain thru killing a lot of black African people. I guess they never thought it would spread as it did, probably assuming quaranteens would be set up. Again, I mean NO disrespect to blacks, gays or anyone with AIDS.
No disrespect to anyone from Nashville here, but I believe Elvis was a space alien working for the teamsters union and was solely responsible for firing the shots that almost killed JFK, who is obviously still alive, and gave birth to Batboy.
So someone developed a bio weapon that takes 5 to 10 years to kill some one What's the point? Seems a bit counter productive when you could pay a warlord cash and he will have it done in a few days.
Here's the thing. Conspiracies are fun..a great talking point, but imagine the amount of people that would have to stay silent. Impossible...humans love telling secrets.
Phil, I have forwarded your IP address to my Illuminati masters in the Trilateral Commission. No anonymizer will save you; our cyber warfare division is the best in the world. Expect a visit from our agents soon. You may recognize them. They're usually men in black...
"It amazes me how a little informed speculation can unsettle a few people."
Informed? Didn't you say you hadn't done any research, that basically, all you did was extrapolate based on who you think "might" benefit from killing blacks?
"just following the trail of what parties had the most interest or gain thru killing a lot of black African people."
Just listing a couple South African security agencies doesn't cut it.
Where's the paper trail?Who did the research? Where were their research facilities? In short, where's the beef? Apartheid's been dead for decades now, you'd think all that information would have leaked by now, if not by the new SA gov't, then by WikiLeaks.
Talking about ill informed, there are some people who still believe that their wives can give some guy with HIV fellatio and then come home and give them a simple kiss and they'll contract it. CIRCA 1990s.
This report is such bunk. It's culturally biased. To even suggest that blacks contract anything, including an STD, at a higher rate than the general populace is something that we should investigate. I want to know who it was that is funding this study and what's their agenda.
We can't let our country be flushed down the toilette by people that seek to paint one group as immoral and more prone to diseases related to irresponsibility. Fight against our wasted spending in this area, especially the dollars that go to Africa to fight AIDS.
Even when presented with facts, you refuse to face the truth.
I would say that this study should be a welcome wake-up call to the black community to stop defending their actions by blaming social injustice, but admit that there's a real problem.
Actually, my post was pure sarcasm. I was playing the part of the ridiculous excuse maker. I'm a little shocked that two people actually voted my comment up.
Putting "(Sarcasm)" after a sarcastic statement helps a lot Larry. Believe it or not there are people who would seriously say what you said sarcastically and without an indication that it is in fact sarcasm, the rest of us cannot tell the difference. Peace.
And as usual, MSNBC and it's [posting] readers prove how racist people in this country still are. I love the internet. Otherwise you asshats wouldn't have the stones to say it to someone's face. Yep. It's just like Hope51 said, all 'those black people' need to quit sleeping around and blaming the man for their problems.
Seriously?
I'm still kind of amazed sex is still legal in this country. If it was left up to the (you) far right-wing, gays would be executed, sex would be illegal in any shape and form unless you were procreating. Oh, and paid a fee. Probably a downpayment too. Healthcare is expensive after all, especially for those kids with pre-existing conditions that wouldn't get insurance, because in the abolished reform world of no-pre-existing-conditions-allowed, that would get pretty damn expensive.
Hispanics would be deported regardless of legal status, actually anyone that might be hispanic would, including dark white people who work in the sun for a living. But hey, blacks are okay. As long as they quit having so much AIDS sex.
People, get a clue and keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself.
Where did all that come from upschick? YOU are a hypocrite. While the article was based on fact, your little rant came from crap, made no friggen sense, and basically classified 'right wingers' as uneducated racist hillbillys!
YOU, get a clue and keep your IGNORANT thoughts to yourself.
Note: 53% of new HIV infections in the USA are among men who have sex with men according to the Center for Disease Control. That is a group that comprises less than 4% of the polulation. "Unprotected sex" causes 6 1/2 million pregnancies in the USA per year but less than 60,000 HIV infections. That is, 1% of the instances of unprotected sex in the USA cause HIV infection, and half of those infections are among men who have sex with men.
This study is bull. I bet white and hispanic numbers are higher. These groups probably don't get tested as much. Remember before the grace of God go I. How many people who cry immorality have had sex without a condom or an indiscretion. Parents cry when schools advocate condom use. There needs to be a change in public policy.
How about hypothesizing about the multitude of reasons why african americans have a higher prevalence of AIDS, you can look it up on the CDC website. This article could have averted all this BS by explaining this information and not let narrow minded people make wild generalizations about a population.
Like other communities, African Americans face a number of challenges that contribute to the higher rates of HIV infection.
Sexual risk behaviors, such as unprotected sex with multiple partners, with a partner who also has other sex partners, or with persons at high risk for HIV infection can be common in some communities.
Injection drug use can facilitate HIV transmission through the sharing of unclean needles. Casual and chronic substance users may be more likely to engage in unprotected sex under the influence of drugsand/or alcohol.
African Americans continue to experience higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than any other race/ethnicity in the US. The presence of certain STDs can significantly increase the chance ofcontracting HIV infection. A person who has both HIV infection and certain STDs has a greater chance of infecting others with HIV.
The socioeconomic issues associated with poverty, including limited access to quality health care, housing, and HIV prevention education, directly and indirectly increase the risk for HIV infection and affect the health of people living with HIV.
Lack of awareness of HIV status. In a recent study of men who have sex with men (MSM) in five cities, 67% of the HIV infected black MSM were unaware of their infection.
Stigma also puts too many African Americans at higher risk. Many at risk for HIV infection fear stigma more than knowing their status, choosing instead to hide their high-risk behavior rather than seek counseling and testing.
Gay sex does not cause AIDS any more than sneezing causing you to "catch a cold."
HIV/AIDS is spread by unprotected sex regardless of gender/race combination and/or swap of body fluids (saliva, semen, breastmilk, vaginal birth/delivery, blood, etc.)
Math isn't everything, but it is perfect. 6 1/2 million pregnancies per year in the USA, less than 60,000 HIV infections, half of those among men who have sex with men.
Ummm, last i checked, and when I took human physiology....sneezing did have a direct link to you catching a cold.
You sir seem to show a total lack of understand when it comes to secretions of the body during intercourse, the fact that anal intercourse causes more tearing and bleeding, and that the bowel wall is much easier to pass the blood barrier then the vaginal wall.
Too many generalizations. I can't believe I'm responding to the ignorance of people who post. It is sad that people are more concerned with making general statements about a race of people than addressing the issue of AIDS. It has been proven that everyone that acquires this disease is not living an immoral, sex-crazed lifestyle. To make comments about they, them, us etc. is ignorant. I work with all races of people and I know for a fact that there are trashy, immoral people in every race. You have black parents who are teaching their children right from wrong, just as any other race. Americans seem be becoming angrier and angrier as a whole. It is truly sad that people can not express themselves without putting someone else down. I guess when one is miserable, why not attempt to try to make others feel the same. America is deteriorating from a lack of educated people and many who post on this discussion are indicative of the demise of the educated American.
Aids is almost totally preventable. I have no sympathy for those who become infected thru sex or drugs. To fix the problem, simply clean up your act people. We have known for 35 years how it transmits. We have poured billions into education about aids and drugs to treat it. It is time for men and women to take responsibility for themselves.
The only HIV positive person I've known is a black woman who became infected while in what she believed was a monogamous relationship. This is the story for many people, as YOU CAN ONLY TRULY KNOW YOUR OWN SEXUAL HISTORY.
There are horrifying statistics showing how prevalent cheating is even in marriages. Unless couples (married or not) use condoms during every sexual act, they are putting themselves at risk.
I just wanted to argue against the myth that all HIV infections are the result of carelessness or callousness on the part of those infected.
Lola, there are few exceptions, but most of those who get AIDS is because of the kind of lifestyle they live!
SO much B.S. on here.
The first person I personally knew who developed aids was a monogomous father of two, happily married. He got aids from a blood transfusion.
How do I know he was monogomous? I sang in a group with him. When we would travel, some of the guys, married and not married, would screw around. He would almost run from females that approached him in an inappropriate manner. He never sought out casual relationships.
He was not gay ... he had two lovely girls and was a doting father.
The urban poor will always be the most vulnerable. Take away access to preventative medical services, access to healthy foods on which to build a proper diet and you will always get the same results - people affected by chronic medical problems.
To the quote made by someone here that the reason its spreading amongst blacks is because they are somehow living immorally, is an absolutely ignorant premise. But considering that America ranks almost dead last in terms of educational services for its citizens really doesn't quite say it, but its no surprise that most American's would tend to believe this.
The causal rapid spread of the disease in poor urban communities can be directly linked to the federal response, or obvious lack there of to this epidemic. The systematic "otherness" associated with HIV AIDS, as if to say that its a disease of this or that group of people also helps to perpetuate the myth that you are more likely to contract the disease if you are amongst a certain demographic group.
HIV AIDS is an indiscriminate killer.
Education, prevention, treatment are the only things proven at stopping the spread of any disease, HIV AIDS not withstanding. Whats needed is a true federal response to this crisis instead of more divisive "notices" coming out of the CDC.
Or America can continue to treat HIV AIDS as if its an epidemic that only effects blacks and gays. The fact that its spread has hastened in these historically marginalized communities is a testament to a much larger problem in America society with roots that reach as far back as to the founding of this nation - Ignorance, discrimination and prejudice.
Its a sad day in the world when in 2010 human beings still allow other human beings to suffer and die simply they perceive them as different. The affected groups behind these statistics are canaries in the coal mine for the rest of America. What happens to them eventually happens to everyone else.
Its not a question of if - but when. History adores repetition.
This is akin to the Darwin awards as related to lifestyle choices. Poor role models. Lack of personal responsibility. Lack of commitment to community. One look at the lyrics of rap music pretty much explains it all.
And yet there are some posters on here that seriously want to blame this on the white man. Professional victims dieing from self inflicted wounds. The irony would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.
Amen Connielogg.
There comes a point when people need to take responsibility for their actions... no matter what race they may be.
Why are gays banned from donating blood, but "blacks" are not?
What if you're a black lesbian?
Because at least in 2005, over half of new HIV infections were among gay men, even though they are a much, much smaller percentage of the population. Also up to 20% of gay men in cities were HIV positive.
Not sure how the numbers stack up now though.
Well for starters HIV can be up to 100,000 times more (no @!$%# on this one) potent when injected through male semen. Seminal plasma carries lots of hormones and other chemicals that are meant to be absorbed by the soft tissue through the vaginal wall into the blood vessels there. This allows the virus an easy way into the body. The anal wall while being a bit stronger works much the same way.
Going in the opposite direction (vaginal secretions through the penis) is much more difficult for the virus, but still possible. Point is that the virus is mainly spread through male semen.
A large proportion of black males are in prison. I'm sure many who are not gay decide to become "bi-sexual" to satisfy sexual urges. Also, drug usage is disproportionately larege among blacks. These are large contributors to aids transmittal, IMO.
Why do these two conditions exist? They range from an unjust "justice system", to reactions to disenfranchisement in society, to poorer economic status, to irresponsibility, historical education and employment deficits ... a myriad of factors have made it more likely to see more blacks in the criminal justice system.
This merely proves the disease was engineered to kill black people.
"This merely proves the disease was engineered to kill black people."
Hmm.
<looks at poster's name>
Ah. I see what you did there.
Are you kidding!? No one is making them live like dogs and cats in heat! There is a way to live and not to get aids! There is a high price to pay for low living.
Serious? You cannot be that ignorant. Why don't you get off your ass, stop milking the system, and complaining that the man is keeping you down. You are a good example with what is wrong with the internet. Any ignorant baboon with a computer can be heard.
SirTrollington,
Yes, I can see it now. The Monkey Collective sitting in their secret tree lairs declaring this as another "Mission Accomplished."
You'd make Pierre Boulle proud!
Where Did HIV Come From? Eating chimpanzee infected with SIV in Africa.
What was the early source of the HIV epidemic in the United States?
“Patient zero,” was a Canadian flight attendant named Gaetan Dugas.
Read more: HIV/AIDS: Where Did HIV Come From? — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/cig/dangerous-diseases-epidemics/hiv-origins.html#ixzz12PoJTt5p
Of course a bunch of racists come in and start calling me a baboon. It took the government decades to admit the Tuskegee experiment, they'll eventually be forced to admit they were playing god again with HIV.
Skin color does not cause HIV infections. Recreational IV drug use and male/male sex cause HIV infections.
Ignorant people who believe AIDS is caused by guys having sex with each other is what causes it to spread. They think as long as they are hooking up with a girl, they are safe. I thought we got past saying AIDS was the gay disease a long time ago. It is certainly more prevalent in some groups than others, but it is EVERYBODY's disease. Some get it due to poor choices, others get it from bad luck. If we would all just be smart and stop accusing others of being the problem, like we do with politics, we could defeat this virus.
If we just practiced protected sex before marriage, stopped cheating during marriage, stopped certain types of drug use, and had more testing, we could virtually eliminate this disease. I'm sure there is more than would help, but that would be a great start.
On the bright side, we will have a vaccine someday, and it will be a disease of the past like small pox. On the down side, the rage virus is coming soon. You will all be zombies when that happens. Hope you like eating brains.
Richard there is a very good biological reason why male / male sex tends to spread HIV. Only 5% of ejaculate is sperm, the other 95% is seminal plasma and is composed of lots of different hormones and chemicals. These hormones are designed to go through the vaginal wall and be absorbed into the blood stream by the blood vessels nearby. Yes semen contains lots of interesting chemicals most of which cause that warm feel-good reward mechanism in the female.
That mechanism provides a very easy path for HIV to enter into a female. Now the reverse process isn't nearly as easy. Vaginal secretions are designed to provide lubrication not carry chemicals into the male blood stream. And while its possible for the virus to spread through female secretions into the male penis, especially if there is broken skin, it has a significantly smaller chance of happening. The rarest would be female on female as there just isn't an easy way for the virus to jump partners. This mechanism also works through the anal wall into the blood vessels near the anus. And while the anal wall is tougher and there is less chance, the spreading mechanism (seminal plasma) is the exact same. HIV can live inside seminal plasma nearly indefinitely so it has many many chances at breaking through.
As you see, its not the gay lifestyle, its the fact that you have two members both capable of producing the perfect medium for HIV to spread. And those members are inserting that medium into the most unprotected area's of their body's.
Thanks Armando-1888053.
One word "Conspiracy".
Same initiative as the Tuskegee experiments.
I was actually responding to SirTrollington, who brought up the conspiracy idea.
As for myself, when it comes to conspiracies, I've always started with Hanlon's Law:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Does that mean you think the Obama administration is supplying heroin to predominantly black neighborhoods?
No way Bob. It is a well known fact that George Bush is still in charge of that. Don't you know anything about conspiracies? :-)
I thought it was Cheney and Bush was just a figurehead.
That means Obama has a 1 in 22 chance of catching AIDS. Yoo Hoo!!
Hey... I wouldn't shed a single tear if he did. In fact... I would do cartwheels.
Problem with these numbers is they didn't mention the methods of the study nor differentiate between sex's. A male who only has sex with females has a pretty small chance of getting it from the females. A female who only has sex with males has a moderate chance of getting it. A female who only has sex with other females has a near zero chance of catching it. And a male who has sex with another male or allows infected seminal fluid to get anywhere near unprotected soft tissue has a very high chance of acquiring HIV.
"Hey... I wouldn't shed a single tear if he did. In fact... I would do cartwheels."
Mr. Weidermier, I'm sure that Obama would feel likewise if you were afflicted by this disease.
What if you are a little white fella who goes to prison with all the big darkies and they have their way with your bottom and you get the "Package" as the Coloreds say? Are you still to blame?
I hope a$$holes like Harry Weidermier get it this way.
There was just an article about cancer being man-made. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39687039/ns/health-cancer/ If so what purpose was it made for?
Most of no that there was a Tuskegee experiment where Black men where intentionally infected and studied and let go mad and die. The same syphilis experiments was just uncovered as having been done in Guatemala by the US.
And there is much information afloat over the years that indicates that HIV/AIDS was also manufactured as a biological weapon of war. If so who was the intended recipient of this weapon? Why
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.htm
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/health/aids/aids-manufactured.html
Certainly you find that globally it is epidemic in the Continent of Africa, in countries such as Haiti and apparently in Black communities throughout the US.
To top it off you see the cold reaction of demons on this discussion like faggot Harry Widera$$hole (Harry the boyz on the cellblock will love you in pumps and a sun dress, b!tch) and I know that it would be nothing for this government to have been behind this type of evil against Black people.
So once again, I say "Conspiracy".
Alert!!! Someone call the ACLU, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. This has to be another blatant case of racism. It is another conspiracy by white people to keep black people down. It is a travesty...NOT!!!
Perhaps it is time for black people to take some responsibility for their actions. I know this does not include all black people and that many are honest hard working people like most of society. However, why are these numbers so high for one race of people? This is a serious problem for the black community and needs to be addressed within. Rich, wealthy leaders, like Jackson and Sharpton, need to spend more of their energy and wealth on the very people they profess to serve. Wake up black America, your people are dying.
I'm pretty sure part of the reason for their AIDS rate being higher is also environmental. More blacks live in run down poor cities where opportunities for a better life are extremely limited. This type of depressed living often leads to increases in disease. I would expect if you based the research off of economic and environmental factors instead of race, you would see a less drastic difference between Blacks, Whites Asians and so on. In my opinion, the article doesn't address the cause one bit unless more research was done to rule out other factors, and it just wasn't reported.
You need to look at the demographics of those that have been in JAIL.
One in seven Black males have been in JAIL.
One in fifteen Hispanic males have been in JAIL.
One in forty White males have been in JAIL.
The US JAIL population has HIV/AIDS infection rates almost 14x the average US population.
While in JAIL, 7% have been raped and another 21% were coerced into sexual activity.
Partners of prisoners and ex-prisoners are at risk for HIV. The fastest growing segment of the US population with HIV/AIDS are Black females. Each year, nearly 650,000 individuals are released from prisons in the U.S. HIV-positive ex-prisoners may resume former risk-taking behaviors, which can result in a serious decline in health, risk to others, and/or a return to prison.
Twenty to twenty-six percent of people currently with HIV/AIDS have been in JAIL in the USA.
see http://www.aidschicago.org/advocacy/2005_priorities_prisons.php
Just because some people ar poor and have lower standards of life, it does not excuse them to live immoral lives changing partners like underwear... I have talked to some black girls I worked with , and seen that they didn't even understand that to say NO to a guy who wants obviously just one thing from them, was a foreign thing. I guess they were raised to think that to hop in bed with someone is like going to lunch with them! It's not the question of color, people!! It's the mentality and values, and lack of them!
They learn this kind of behavior from each other. They hang around with the kind of people who have no moral values, and because their attitude impresses them as "cool " that's what they want to become like... It's no wonder the AIDS is spreading among them, and not just AIDS.. they create so many pregnancies, without ever planing families, to be parents to those babies. IT's true, people, what I'm saying, regardless who likes it or not!...
Yes, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and "Rev" Wright have a job to do, but not the kind they are used to do. How about teaching their people some moral values of self respect, dignity and honor, and stop blaming the White folks for their lack of them! It's funny how those black people who don't fit their mold are even despised by them. But they have learned that dignity, self respect and moral values are there for people of every color to live by them. To sum it all up, black people need to stop glorifying their "black culture" and wallow in misery of it, blaming everyone else for outcome of their self imposed lifestyles...
Well said.
Hope51 - You chose "hope"? Really? When you offer anything but. Wow- it's amazing how people can climb mighty high on their horses and look down upon someone else's tragedy and pass judgment. You want to talk about teaching black people morals and values, but I don't know if I would believe that you've ever actually spent time with any black people. Do they have black people where you come from or have you only seen them on TV or heard about them in stories your grandpapy told you sittin on the porch wit yer shotgun? I kid, but you really sound ridiculous. Get a grip on reality. You want to talk about how black girls have no morals, have you ever seen a Girls Gone Wild commercial or any one of the numerous reality shows on VH1 and MTV? I see a lot of white girls doing the exact thing you accuse young black girls of doing. I grew up in Beverly Hills surrounded by white girls who did and still do all the stuff you think only amoral black girls do and sometimes more. The only thing that really separates them may be the fact that one group has money and we all know what money can do...get you out of "situations" like pregnancies and provide medications to cure those ugly and annoying STDs. As much as you might like to think that this is a Black issue, I wouldn't give too much credence to the relevance of this article when juxtaposed with the realities of our society. Isn't it ironic that this is probably the shortest article on the site with the fewest facts and that it is grossly absent of any correlation of it's findings to the soci-economic status of those same blacks, whites, hispanics and asians mentioned? It is quite possible to do an incomplete study and even easier to skew those "findings" into something very linear. IMHO, this is not a complete study and is devoid of any substantive evidence that this epidemic can so easily be summed up as an issue perpetuated by "the black culture". What the hell is the black culture anyway? You are so damn out of touch!!!
Ask the filthy rapers what it is... They are spreading it like a disease, or better said, with disease! And then they even dare to call themselves "artists" !!!.... the scum of the earth they are...
If I'm out of touch, then what does this make you?!
I agree...why can blacks give blood but not gays? I guess it's better to put people at risk than to be racist....f**king dumb...
Let's talk about f'king dumb; your premise is.
Anyone who gives blood, that blood is tested. If they have any risky contaminates, the blood is tossed. If they go to the same facility to give, that facility has records .... they are refused.
It's been that way a long time.
the other 21 will probably get shot
On average 12+US Citizens are Murdered and another 13+ were Killed by drunk Illegal Aliens, every day during 2006.
On average 16+Black males are Murdered with guns, every day in the USA during 2004.
see http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39031
... that figure is too low.
No. It is common to get HIV through a cheating partner. Homophobia also plays into it. In the African American community lots of men are on the "downlow". See, sexual orientation is self identity. If there is any choice regarding sexual orientation it is related to the labels. We can call ourselves whatever we want. I used to sit on various nonprofit boards in San Francisco and on a committee where we made decisions about which organizations to give what amount of funds to be used for various HIV/AIDS programs. Many men who identify as heterosexual have more sex partners of the same sex in a year than some men who identify as gay or bisexual. That's why to fight the AIDS epidemic organizations have had to re-market their messages for MSMs--Men who have Sex with other Men. Since many do not identify as gay or bisexual, they pay no attention to safer sex messages aimed toward those populations. The organizations do not classify these men as gay or bisexual, because they can't. How gay is gay? How straight is straight? Sexual orientation is on a continuum. They could be gay men who can't face being gay. They could be straight men who like a little spice. Many African cultures have no word for homosexuality, however, quite a few Africans engage in it. It's only when you ask about specific sexual behavior do you get at it. And in some cultures (many Latin and US prison cultures) only the bottom man is gay; that makes the top man heterosexual by definition. You can't tell people how to identify. They'll just walk out of the clinic without a safer sex kit. This is the problem with homophobia. It fuels unsafe sex. Behavior is looked at more than definitions of identity.
Some people are more gay than straight; others are more straight than gay, and to what extent people are attracted to members of the same or opposite sex varies. Some people are attracted to same sex partners emotionally; others physically. Many on both levels. I'm not saying that if a culture doesn't have a name for something, then that something does not exist. (This is a philosophical question.) What I am saying is that something is like the number zero: undefined. And yes, in many Latin American cultures only the bottom man is defined as gay. We just don't understand sexuality. And yes, some behaviors and likely sexual behavior is instinctual.
I'm sure in San Fransisco, every man has had sex with another man. However, in the real world, most of us understand that unnatural, filthy practices result in disease. If we would stop condoning it, and spend more time and energy condoning good family values, we would be closer to fixing the problem.
It's painfully obvious that you've spent way too much time making up excuses for a pretty simple problem.
Posted this above so I'll keep it short. The primary transmission path of HIV is through infected seminal fluid through soft tissue then into the blood stream. The two categories of people who have the most contact with seminal fluid from a possibly infected partner are straight females and homosexual / bisexual males. Seeing as women can't produce seminal fluid, nor have a means to inject into places with soft tissue, it would then lead to the homosexual male as having the highest possible infection rate.
In short, it does matter what your sexuality is. It matters alot.
There were on average 47 Homicides in the USA every day, during 2006.
There were on average 62 HIV/AIDS related deaths in the USA every day, during 2008. The majority of the newly diagnosed cases are due to MSM & IV drug use.
There were 81 total gun deaths, which 45 were suicides (mainly white males) and 27 were murders (mainly black males), during 2004.
There were 117 vehicle related deaths, on average every day during 2004.
And 235 alcohol related deaths, on average every day during 2001.
The vast MAJORITY of these deaths are due to LIFESTYLE CHOICES. Feel free to make any choice you want. But remember that those choices have CONSEQUENCES.
Why this topic is open to discussion is beyond me. The facts are as they are.
Facts are as they are presented; every taken a statistics course? The problem with this report is that they did not take any other factors but race into consideration when looking at the numbers. For instance, I would be curious to see if they did the percentages along socioeconomic lines, what would be the breakdown? Unfortunately, in our society blacks don't have the same access to education and resources, so it is not surprising that any disease, AIDS included, would be more prominent in this population. Lack of education, a "live hard cause there might not be a tomorrow" lifestyle, less access to medical care, hopelessness, apathy...all can help explain these findings.
A lot more comes into play as to why a certain population has higher "whatever" than another segment, and doing any social science research would point to what may be causing those variations. Incomplete articles like this do nothing but insight shortsighted comments like those above. Do a little bit of research and critical thinking, people.
Unfortunately, in our society blacks don't have the same access to education and resources, so it is not surprising that any disease, AIDS included, would be more prominent in this population. Lack of education, a "live hard cause there might not be a tomorrow" lifestyle, less access to medical care, hopelessness, apathy...all can help explain these findings.
"...don't have the same access to education...";can you please post a photo of a high school in the U.S. with a 'No African-Americans Allowed' sign? Perhaps you could also post the page on the Pell Grant app that states "Pell Grants not available to blacks." How did Dr Condolezza Rice manage to sneak into Notre Dame for her education? Did Princeton know Michelle Obama was black when she was admitted?
Recipe for poverty;
dropping out of high school ( voluntary)
not applying for grants and loans for college (voluntary)
getting pregnant instead of attending school ( voluntary- 100% effective contraception=an aspiring held tightly between the knees.never fails)
associating with low-lifes with no ambition (voluntary)
*aspirin
That is not entirely true there have been studies showing transmission rates are higher among uncircumcised men, so societal factors do play a part.
We need to let this disease kill itself off.
NYT reported on article in Science last month. Disease started jumping back and forth between humans and apes thousands of years ago when humans ate monkeys. Since there was no treatment, the people died off and the disease was contained.
This disease, all of these diseases are natural. They are the ways nature has controlled the human population at sustainable levels for thousands and thousands of years.
When we let nature take it's course, world population will decline, pollution will decline and the earth will be a garden once again.
How about the the next time you are on a airplane. You and your family can sit next to the people that are coughing and then let nature take its course.
I can choose who I have sex with, but I can not choose who sits next to me on public transportation. Most HIV/AIDS infected people die of TB and they are now spreading the drug resistant TB around the world.
EVERYONE - Should be tested for communicable diseases. Those that are POSITIVE should have their Passports Revoked and be restricted from traveling on public transportation. Until they either DIE or are CURRIED.
Taking NO ACTION is not a OPTION.
This OBVIOUSLY proves that black people have the most sex then Hispanics then whites then asians....
Our school system is a failure. All it proves is that the disease is more deeply rooted in the black community and that may be true. It's likely that HIV entered the US by way of someone of African descent. If that is the case, then the virus has been in the black community longer. Hence, the higher infection rate.
This only proves that the system in which we live is engineered to kill those who are unfortunate. 400 hundred years of racial, economic and social injustice has only accelerated this overwhelming threat to the black community. It is the responsibility of the greater institution in charge to provide care, education and resources to those who are in need, chronically incarcerated and disenfranchised. Especially in a time of HIV and AIDS it is inappropriate as wells as irresponsible to pass blame on anyone. Statistics such as these should be a wakeup call to us all!!!
Negative, CG30. Your entitlement mentality and that of the "unfortunate" is most of the reason for the problem. What does it take to get through your thick skull that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE! It's not a difficult concept. But it is so deeply ingrained in you that nothing is your fault, that the "greater institution" is responsible for making it all better when you do something stupid.
Here's the wake-up call. The only person responsible for you is...wait for it... YOU! And you are responsible for studying in school, working hard and obeying the law in order to no longer be "chronically incarceratedand disenfranchised." You say it is inappropriate to pass blame, while you pass blame on all of society.
I guess, in your mind, that because I studied hard, worked hard, and came out of the trailer park I grew up in to be a successful member of society, it's only fair that my money be taken from me and re-distributed, huh?
Careful, your class-envy is showing.
JonnyUSMC - What do you say to the COUNTLESS blacks who do the exact same thing as you to get out of the hood instead of the trailer park but because when they come out of the hood and are still black, they're still looked down upon and you come out of the trailer park still not-black and are almost immediately trusted? Have you ever been racially discriminated against? I agree that everyone is responsible for their own actions, but by that same logic, we can't control what people do and the prejudices they harbor. Those prejudices affect other people in ways you've probably never imagined, right. And it's not so much about class envy. No one wants to be you. I've talked to plenty of blacks who are perfectly happy being who they are, they only wish the discrimination so many non-blacks refuse to acknowledge would disappear and the playing field would be level. When you talk about blacks the way you're doing now, it should be easy to understand their plight. MANY people have your same "get over it" mentality. I'm sure getting over it would be a lot easier if they weren't constantly RE-introduced to it on such a regular basis.
I mean do disrespect to anyone here or to people with AIDS, but I have a hunch that AIDS is a bio-warfare agent developed and deployed most likely by a pre-apartheid South Africa.
Think about it.
Do you have any proof? Interesting theory. It would definitely benefit white interests in South Africa.
I would think whoever invented it would need to have the backing of a much more powerful country such as the US or the former Soviet Union. It's been shown the Soviets had a much vaster RD program for bio/chemical weapons than the US and that they developed virus's that wouldn't necessarily kill you but cause such fatique that an army exposed to it would not able to fight. I'm sure the US wasn't far behind if at all in similar efforts.
No proof (although I haven't Googled these keywords yet), just following the trail of what parties had the most interest or gain thru killing a lot of black African people. I guess they never thought it would spread as it did, probably assuming quaranteens would be set up. Again, I mean NO disrespect to blacks, gays or anyone with AIDS.
No disrespect to anyone from Nashville here, but I believe Elvis was a space alien working for the teamsters union and was solely responsible for firing the shots that almost killed JFK, who is obviously still alive, and gave birth to Batboy.
Nice one Jonny boy.
Be naive at your own peril.
Phil MacKrackin: "No proof..."
That's all I needed to read.
Suit yourself. AIDS sure picked a convenient decade and geo-political era to proliferate in.
Could just be coincidence, but I think not.
So someone developed a bio weapon that takes 5 to 10 years to kill some one What's the point? Seems a bit counter productive when you could pay a warlord cash and he will have it done in a few days.
Here's the thing. Conspiracies are fun..a great talking point, but imagine the amount of people that would have to stay silent. Impossible...humans love telling secrets.
Three people can keep a secret if two are dead.
I don't believe AIDS only killed (and is in the process of killing) a trivial amount of people.
It's a very tragic situation with holocaust scale numbers.
Phil, I have forwarded your IP address to my Illuminati masters in the Trilateral Commission. No anonymizer will save you; our cyber warfare division is the best in the world. Expect a visit from our agents soon. You may recognize them. They're usually men in black...
Armando,
Hmmmm, must of hit a nerve somewhere. It amazes me how a little informed speculation can unsettle a few people.
I can give you my street address if it makes things easier. Nobody is anonymous on the net.
You certainly hit my funny bone, Phil.
"It amazes me how a little informed speculation can unsettle a few people."
Informed? Didn't you say you hadn't done any research, that basically, all you did was extrapolate based on who you think "might" benefit from killing blacks?
"just following the trail of what parties had the most interest or gain thru killing a lot of black African people."
You seem to care too much about this Armando.
RSA NIA?
SANDF-ID?
SASS?
Just listing a couple South African security agencies doesn't cut it.
Where's the paper trail?Who did the research? Where were their research facilities? In short, where's the beef? Apartheid's been dead for decades now, you'd think all that information would have leaked by now, if not by the new SA gov't, then by WikiLeaks.
But it infects all gay men not just black ones so that negates that theory.
Good lord some people are stupid.
Talking about ill informed, there are some people who still believe that their wives can give some guy with HIV fellatio and then come home and give them a simple kiss and they'll contract it. CIRCA 1990s.
ChrisWanker, why don't you and your wife try it and see. If your still HIV free in a year come back and post the results.
RFLMAO.
This report is such bunk. It's culturally biased. To even suggest that blacks contract anything, including an STD, at a higher rate than the general populace is something that we should investigate. I want to know who it was that is funding this study and what's their agenda.
We can't let our country be flushed down the toilette by people that seek to paint one group as immoral and more prone to diseases related to irresponsibility. Fight against our wasted spending in this area, especially the dollars that go to Africa to fight AIDS.
And of course we wouldn't want any actual facts to get in the way of political correctness either.
Wow, you're really serious, huh?
Even when presented with facts, you refuse to face the truth.
I would say that this study should be a welcome wake-up call to the black community to stop defending their actions by blaming social injustice, but admit that there's a real problem.
Actually, my post was pure sarcasm. I was playing the part of the ridiculous excuse maker. I'm a little shocked that two people actually voted my comment up.
Putting "(Sarcasm)" after a sarcastic statement helps a lot Larry. Believe it or not there are people who would seriously say what you said sarcastically and without an indication that it is in fact sarcasm, the rest of us cannot tell the difference. Peace.
And as usual, MSNBC and it's [posting] readers prove how racist people in this country still are. I love the internet. Otherwise you asshats wouldn't have the stones to say it to someone's face. Yep. It's just like Hope51 said, all 'those black people' need to quit sleeping around and blaming the man for their problems.
Seriously?
I'm still kind of amazed sex is still legal in this country. If it was left up to the (you) far right-wing, gays would be executed, sex would be illegal in any shape and form unless you were procreating. Oh, and paid a fee. Probably a downpayment too. Healthcare is expensive after all, especially for those kids with pre-existing conditions that wouldn't get insurance, because in the abolished reform world of no-pre-existing-conditions-allowed, that would get pretty damn expensive.
Hispanics would be deported regardless of legal status, actually anyone that might be hispanic would, including dark white people who work in the sun for a living. But hey, blacks are okay. As long as they quit having so much AIDS sex.
People, get a clue and keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself.
/rant
Nicely said.
Where did all that come from upschick? YOU are a hypocrite. While the article was based on fact, your little rant came from crap, made no friggen sense, and basically classified 'right wingers' as uneducated racist hillbillys!
YOU, get a clue and keep your IGNORANT thoughts to yourself.
Richard-1971294
Ignorant people who believe AIDS is caused by guys having sex with each other is what causes it to spread.
"Ignorant people" includes the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/factsheets/incidence.htm
Note: 53% of new HIV infections in the USA are among men who have sex with men according to the Center for Disease Control. That is a group that comprises less than 4% of the polulation. "Unprotected sex" causes 6 1/2 million pregnancies in the USA per year but less than 60,000 HIV infections. That is, 1% of the instances of unprotected sex in the USA cause HIV infection, and half of those infections are among men who have sex with men.
This study is bull. I bet white and hispanic numbers are higher. These groups probably don't get tested as much. Remember before the grace of God go I. How many people who cry immorality have had sex without a condom or an indiscretion. Parents cry when schools advocate condom use. There needs to be a change in public policy.
"I bet white and hispanic numbers are higher. These groups probably don't get tested as much."
What do you base this statement on?
How about hypothesizing about the multitude of reasons why african americans have a higher prevalence of AIDS, you can look it up on the CDC website. This article could have averted all this BS by explaining this information and not let narrow minded people make wild generalizations about a population.
From the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/
Like other communities, African Americans face a number of challenges that contribute to the higher rates of HIV infection.
Sexual risk behaviors, such as unprotected sex with multiple partners, with a partner who also has other sex partners, or with persons at high risk for HIV infection can be common in some communities.
Injection drug use can facilitate HIV transmission through the sharing of unclean needles. Casual and chronic substance users may be more likely to engage in unprotected sex under the influence of drugsand/or alcohol.
African Americans continue to experience higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than any other race/ethnicity in the US. The presence of certain STDs can significantly increase the chance ofcontracting HIV infection. A person who has both HIV infection and certain STDs has a greater chance of infecting others with HIV.
The socioeconomic issues associated with poverty, including limited access to quality health care, housing, and HIV prevention education, directly and indirectly increase the risk for HIV infection and affect the health of people living with HIV.
Lack of awareness of HIV status. In a recent study of men who have sex with men (MSM) in five cities, 67% of the HIV infected black MSM were unaware of their infection.
Stigma also puts too many African Americans at higher risk. Many at risk for HIV infection fear stigma more than knowing their status, choosing instead to hide their high-risk behavior rather than seek counseling and testing.
Gay sex does not cause AIDS any more than sneezing causing you to "catch a cold."
HIV/AIDS is spread by unprotected sex regardless of gender/race combination and/or swap of body fluids (saliva, semen, breastmilk, vaginal birth/delivery, blood, etc.)
Math isn't everything, but it is perfect. 6 1/2 million pregnancies per year in the USA, less than 60,000 HIV infections, half of those among men who have sex with men.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/factsheets/incidence.htm
"unprotected sex" is intentionaly misleading. 1% of unprotected sex and half of that among less than 4% of the population.
Bob's right. Gay male sex is a major risk factor in HIV transmission. Much more so than straight or lesbian sex.
You may buy the 'equal opportunity disease' slogan, but the statistics say otherwise.
Ummm, last i checked, and when I took human physiology....sneezing did have a direct link to you catching a cold.
You sir seem to show a total lack of understand when it comes to secretions of the body during intercourse, the fact that anal intercourse causes more tearing and bleeding, and that the bowel wall is much easier to pass the blood barrier then the vaginal wall.
Too many generalizations. I can't believe I'm responding to the ignorance of people who post. It is sad that people are more concerned with making general statements about a race of people than addressing the issue of AIDS. It has been proven that everyone that acquires this disease is not living an immoral, sex-crazed lifestyle. To make comments about they, them, us etc. is ignorant. I work with all races of people and I know for a fact that there are trashy, immoral people in every race. You have black parents who are teaching their children right from wrong, just as any other race. Americans seem be becoming angrier and angrier as a whole. It is truly sad that people can not express themselves without putting someone else down. I guess when one is miserable, why not attempt to try to make others feel the same. America is deteriorating from a lack of educated people and many who post on this discussion are indicative of the demise of the educated American.
African Americans have a 5% chance of getting AIDS. that's bad.