Too late - there already is one. William Campbell Douglas, MD authors a free online subscription for short articles on current events in medical and pharmaceutical field called "the Douglas Report". Strange as it may sound, there are actually some medicinal benefits to tobacco usage. His reports are very informative, and every American should know what the intentions of Big Pharma are. His short reports are one of the only places that the public can find this information. I can't emphasize enough how informative I have found his mailings to be over the last couple years and I would encourage all to google him and sign up. Although, I am curious what he will have to say about the content of this story, as I believe him to be a proponent of the multi.
The key to my longevity I believe lies with having lots and lots of (safe) sex. I also believe that having 'multi'partners will help ward off any future Alzheimer's because it forces you to use your brain functions constantly in order to remember who said what. I also end up having a well rounded diet because I date a wide variety of women who all have unique diets and cooking specialties which are all quite healthy.
I'd also be more than happy to be a test subject for any future study that might be published that would prove my theory.
I still remember when caffeine (and more specifically coffee) was demonized. Now apparently, caffeine has some health benefits (according to some study) so the "experts" suggest moderate coffee consumption.
This is why I rather take herbs than vitamins. Herbs stimulate your body to do what's right for it by using the vitamins and nutrients already stored in the body. That, and exercise of course.
Herbs, I like that, smoke some herb too, it's all natural. Now to the Story? One study after another debunks one study after another. Remember the one about the Egg being bad for you? It kind of goes hand in hand with the outlawed plants. When that one about eggs came out years ago, it made me laugh, natures perfect food in the perfect container, and it's bad for you?? The bottom line is that these people don't know what they are talking about. I have an idea, and it's full proof. Everybody reading this, and those that aren't, all have the same chance of dying, and those odds are? Well I'll be dammed, it's a 10 in 10 chance. The moral is: Just be happy. This just in, breathing is bad for you, hold your breath.
This all reminds me of the back and forth with eggs. First they are good, then they are bad, then it was the whites that were good and yolks bad, now they're good again.
That guy is evil. He is deliberately exploiting people by telling them what they want to hear, regardless of whether it kills them.
Funny, here I thougt it was the pharmaceutical companies that were telling you lemmings what you wanted to hear. Have an ailment ... we have a pill for that! And it's very effective ... here, just look at this carefully manipulated report. It's only expensive because we have to set aside a lot of cash to payoff the inevitable lawsuits that will follow from your upcoming drug induced heart attack.
I don't take for granted everything Douglas writes, but his work is backed up by real medical studies - the ones that aren't bought and paid for by Big Pharma.
I thought I was pretty clear that I was not referring to diet when I referred to lemmings, since my whole comment was about ailments and pharmaceuticals. Your disdain is obviously related to your digust of man using animals for nutrition. I don't take issue with someone choosing to be vegan / vegetarian, so long as they don't try and convince the rest of society that we can stop eating eating animals and switch to your plan and the world will be a big happy place. The world would be an unimaginable mess with billions of livestock running wild with no ability to defend or feed themselves. That is a whole other argument. Nobody is saying you need "huge amounts of animal proteins and saturated fats" to be healthy - he is just saying that it is a myth that the fats are unhealthy and should be trimmed and discarded. He also stresses the importance of balancing this diet with plenty of vegetables.
The lemmings I am referring to are those that fall for the statins, blood pressure meds in lieu of diet manipulation, a questionable vaccine for everything that can be imagined, pills for everything from restless legs to seasonal affective disorder, putting children on powerful meds because they are "hyper", etc. If the pharmaceutical industry discovered a natural cure for cancer, how many people would they let die by not divulging this information because they were busy at work attempting to create a synthetic equivalent that can be patented?
Nothing here states the reason I take multivitamins.....I feel better than when I do not take them. My personal quality of life is better, day to day, with a quality multivitamin.
I do as well, Jody. My diet is very limited due to a stomach condition, gastroparesis or paralyzed stomach, that limits not only portions but the types of foods that I can tolerate. I read above about "Just eat this and this and this". Not so easy for all of ust to do. I can't eat meat often, and even then it is usually fish, as it causes intense pain. My fat intake is severely limited for the same reason. And my fruit and vegetable choices are down to just a handful that will digest and not cause pain or, eventually, a form a lump in my stomach from the undigested fiber.
Since my diet is so limited, I take a good multi that comes in either a liquid form (hard to find) or a gummie that I can suck on slowly. I know for a fact that by doing this and drinking things like gatorade and propel, my blood levels are stable even with being as limited as I am.
Multi vitamins are nutrition Supplements, you still need to eat properly and the combination makes me feel great. You can get a stroke or heart attack from exercising which everyones needs, it's simple, just ask a doctor what is right for you and work into it slowly.
It amazes me that people actually get paid to spend years on frivolous "studies"............
I don't think multivitamins were intended to PREVENT cancer or heart disease, but to supplement. My doctor has not only recommended a multivitamin, but suggested that I also increase certain parts of it, like calcium, vitamin D, and Omega-3s. Not everyone gets the recommended vitamins every day.
And what if you gain weight easily. One of the most unhealthy things anyone can do is consume excessive calories in any form.
I exercise regularly. More than most people I know, and can gain weight looking at food. I get most of my calories from protein as I feel terrible if I don't eat enough of it. Consequently I back off on the fruits and veggies to reduce calories. I get my needed vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, etc from supplements that are virtually calorie free.
I will never forget what Dr. Dean once said on his radio show. Vitamins can, very possibly help cancers to grow and flourish. The vitamin feeds the cancer/cancer cells and allows them to grow more rapidly.
The only problem I find with that theory is that I have never heard a doctor recommend a patient eliminate healthy fruits and vegetables from their diets for fear of feeding the cancer cells.
Dr. Ray Strand has some done some amazing research on nutrition and disease management, as has concluded that cancer cells actually absorb nutrition differently from healthy cells ( I believe it has to do with the shape and health of the cells), so that there is no risk of feeding cancerous cells through nutrition. You could visit drraystrand.com to view more of his work.
People with chronic inflammatory illnesses likely have difficulty maintaining the proper balance of nutrients in their systems. For them, a healthy diet and a few specific supplements may not be sufficient.
Granted, a daily multivitamin may not offer all the benefits available in a varied, nutritious diet, but it may correct some shortages caused by chronic inflammation.
Expecting a multivitamin to prevent serious disease is unreasonable, and I don't think most educated Americans rely on this faulty thinking.
You would hope that most Americans don't rely on it, but we have become a lazy society. I rely on them only because I CANNOT digest food properly. It causes terrible pain and nausea whenever I eat, so I am limited to what increases the symptoms the least. I never even thought that a multi would prevent disease, just make it easier for me to stay somewhat healthy while dealing with this condition. This is the first time I have even heard of a multi being prescribed to prevent serious disease. I have only ever heard of them being given as a supplement to a healthy diet.
You sound like me. I have gastritis/gerd and am also limited in what I can eat, I am suffering now as a matter of fact. I only take Calcium with magnesium, zinc and D. Vitamins usually upset my stomach anyway so I just don't take them.
I also have ulcerative colitis and it is difficult to maintain a balance of what is generally considered healthy. Salad items, tomato products, milk (lactose) all upset my digestion. So I do take a multivitamin, and others supplements, as I have indicated in a previous post. A little more lean protein seems to help, and I am not talking chicken or turkey. Beef has helped me fight some of the symptoms of a flare-up.
I have watched Dr. Oz promote multi-vitamins more then once on his television show. I am tired of these back and forth *study* results. I've taken a multi since I was a kid (starting with Flintstone Vitamins). When I'm not taking them for prolonged periods, I can tell the difference in my overall demeanor, my skin and how I sleep.
Fine, I'll keep taking my multi/placebo or whatever we want to call it. If in fact it causes me to believe my health is better and I am better for taking it then there is no problem. I'll keep deluding myself and ignore these back & forth reports.
Dr. Dave...I've done that. I'm not the type to do something because I read it, or my mom said so. I've had the same thoughts that quite possibly its all in my head. I have stopped taking multi's several times, for quite a long period, and it wasn't just shades of difference. I wonder now if pregnant women will stop taking folic acid and aenemic women should also stop taking iron. Sigh...but we all have tons of money and time to eat and prepare everything organic, which seems to be the holy grail. Wait for it, 7 years from now there will be studies out that say eating organic has no advantage.
Shouldn't we be do studies on the habits of the most healthy people on earth and incorporate those habits into our lifestyles instead of the results of some scientific study that changes every year? I'm in my fifties and I've taken a multi-vitamin for over 30 years. I'm rarely ill, I don't take any medications, and I'm in the best shape of my life.
I noticed a bigger difference switching to eating fruit with breakfast, veggies with lunch and dinner, and cutting out white flour than by taking or not taking a multi. I work out 6 days a week, and my mood, energy, fitness is better than it was before.
I wouldn't trust much 'Prevention' has to say. Look through the pages and you see more drug ads than articles. There's very little about prevention and plenty about 'treatment'.
Well, that's the amazing thing about scientific research isn't it. One study may indicate one result and conclusion, and another study may indicate something contrary to the first. That's the way it works when you're trying to figure out an incredibly complex process like human metabolism and health.
I suppose as an alternative, if you don't like the scientific process and it's sometimes contradictory results, you could look in the bible and see if Moses, Isaiah or Jesus said anything about multi-vitamins. I know they had plenty of advice about pigs and fish and milk.
Even so they had no processed foods and everything they ate was organic. If you had a problem digesting your food and you, therefore, suffered malnutrition, guess what, you died. Comparing eating habits (among other things) of modern people with 2k to 4k year old people from the bronze age is an exercise in complete absent mindedness.
Sure, take a multi if you like but certainly exercise! Include high fiber, home made veggie and fruit juices in your low processed food diet. Don't smoke. Don't drink to excess. Keep your weight down.
Do this and you will be as fine as your genetics will allow.
The problem is the multivitamins vary from brand to brand as well as different formulation within a brand. Many of them adopt a more-is-good policy, which is in fact, simply not the truth in most cases. Also, many of specific forms of supplements within many multivitamins are worthless and not overtly bioavailable, and in some cases ...like specific types of Vitamin E, can do way more harm than good. Honestly, all of these studies on multivitamins are worthless because there is no consistency involved. Best bet is to not take any multivitamin period and only supplement with proven vitamins/supplements in appropriate forms. Worthless article all in all.
I agree with the study resullts....NOT because I think supplements are ineffective - but because a MULTIVITAMIN, while containing many/most of the required elements, does not contain ENOUGH of most of them. And, one can't simply "double up" or "triple up, etc" because one would then be consuming TOO MUCH of a FEW of the elements. The only answer is to take the required supplements INDIVIDUALLY in the right dosages. Which ones? How much of each? I read and follow Dr. Blaylock's recommendations -which also address proper diet and exercise. Unlike many/most such "doctors" who publish health newsletters, Blaylock does not lace his advice with advertisements for specific products from companies in which he has a financial interest. Look him up online and come to your own conclusion.
I try to find the one that works best for me. Unfortunately, it does go over on one vitamin, but it is water soluble, so whatever your body doesn't require it will get rid of naturally. Everything else in it is around 100%, except for a few that are much lower. I use this one whenever I can find it because it goes down as a liquid, which makes it easier for me to digest and absorb. If I was able to eat a regular diet, I would not look for one that had such high percentages, but there are others out there that are much higher.
There is a self serving interest here somewhere because the conclusions are silly and the premise foolish. In the end they give situations when you can take supplements. That is why they are supplements! Find a trusted source and stay are pure as you can and stop following these informercials. Personally, I do not take enough multivitaments and other supplements. I should. They are not supposed to be medicine to stop this or that illness or condition and were never intended to be. They help our eating and protect us from our oversights or lack of information and bad eating habits as well.
I always love all these recommendations to eat two or three cups of this or that; Have these idiots EVER stacked that up and look how much it actually is?? Plus, given the variety of ways foods can be prepared, how do they know that your ARE getting what you need from their recommendation. When I've looked at their "FOOD" pyramid, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I don't see them condemning processed sugars which get packed into almost any commercially prepared foods including the veggies.
What a crock; another worthless study paid for by the taxpayers no doubt.
At one time I believe, maybe I am wrong, Prevention magazine stood up for the little guy. Any more I questions that. It is the tabloid of health magazines and probably not worth the paper it is printed on anymore. But people buy it and believe it just like they do the National Enquirer so go figure.
The truth is, sad to say. that a majority of Americans eat crap and do not get the vitamins they need. The body is extremely resilient but at some point will give up. Having the nutrients available in the form of a good multivitamin is cheap insurance. There is no way however you can get all the needed vitamins, herbs, nutrients into a single pill you could swallow. Check out the Life Extension Foundation. They have a great staff of doctors and do real research. I have been a member for years and regularly take a host of supplements. I certainly feel my life is better as a result. My multi is 14, yes 14 capsules daily!
The bottom line is that like everything else in this world there will never be a consensus of opinion. You have to do what you think is right for you based on your own research and experience. I would not necessarily be swayed by these "studies" that come out week after week to make the 6 O'clock news. When you check most have no real sound scientific basis.
I don't take vitamins, never have, never will. As with all foods approved by the FDA, I am quite sure that multis are just as full of artifical sweeteners and preservatives as any other candy.
The FDA does have their load of crap ways, but if you do some research, you will find pharmaceutical grade multis have a much higher standard than those treated like frozen pizzas, and USANA Essentials don't contain artificial ingredients.
Journalists, commentators and physicians shoud all read the story of Peter and the Wolf. The credibility gap grows compounded by the false security of hubris posing as certitude.
Some thoughts for Bill in Florida: This is exactly why we need studies and research to help us understand how the vitamins we're taking help or harm us. Remember when vitamin E was considered a cure-all for almost everything? Then a very reliable study found that women who take actually have higher risks of heart failure compared to women who didn't take vitamin E.
I take vitamins and I definitely want to know whether they're helping me in the way I expect or if I'm doing damage.
I remember those E studies and findings too. They were all pretty much found to be inaccurate, but that didn't make the headlines like the other story did.
"The latest published clinical trial of vitamin E’s effects on the heart and blood vessels of women included almost 40,000 healthy women ≥45 years of age who were randomly assigned to receive either 600 IU of natural vitamin E on alternate days or placebo and who were followed for an average of 10 years [23]. The investigators found no significant differences in rates of overall cardiovascular events (combined nonfatal heart attacks, strokes, and cardiovascular deaths) or all-cause mortality between the groups. However, the study did find two positive and significant results for women taking vitamin E: they had a 24% reduction in cardiovascular death rates, and those ≥65 years of age had a 26% decrease in nonfatal heart attack and a 49% decrease in cardiovascular death rates."
I disagree that this is worthless, because there are several increasingly dangerous sides to supplements, and if nothing else this sparks people at least taking a second look at their habits.
Not all supplements are bad - HOWEVER, there is little regulation on concentrations of each vitamin in your multi, AND most people self-medicate and think they need more more more. A few examples:
There is an increase in ulcers induced by overdosing on Vitamin C (despite being water-soluble, it is highly acidic, and people willingly overdose consistently). There is an increase in issues calcium deposits, similar in consistency to heel spurs, due to women being scared into taking excessive calcium supplements (too much can even cause blockages in the heart).
In addition, many multi-vitamins don't account for absorption. Did you know that when a woman consumes both iron and calcium together that neither is absorbed well? They inhibit each other, yet most multi's directed at women include both.
Pharmaceutical companies don't make money from people who take vitamins and can remain healthy without the use of their drugs. I'll bet my paycheck that the majority of these studies, if not all of them, were sponsored by Big Pharma!
Sales of multivitamins must be up and drug sales must be down.......really people.....if you take a good multi quit taking it for 15 days and see how you feel. As my mother use to say "the proof is in the pudding" so just find out for yourself as you should anyways. You can only believe may 1/4 of what you see and read, all studies are funded by some special interest group.
I read about this several months ago. I have taken multi-vitamins religiously for years so decided to be my own lab rat. Totally stopped taking them (except for my daily calcium-Vit D supp.). Much to my surprise, there has been NO change in my energy levels, mood, bloodwork, etc. In MY case, it would appear that these reports are true. Multis ain't cheap, so I'm just going to put that money in my wallet.
After taking several different varieties for a couple years, I think the only ones that actually do anything are the ones derived from real food, generally fairly expensive ones.. They seem to have the better ingredients in the proper ratios and capable of being absorbed in the body as real compounds that it can use. The cheaper stuff are mostly filled with sythetic chemicals which often can't even get absorbed or can make you feel sicker.
I agree that big pharma could easily have funded this study. But on the other hand, one of the problems with multis is all the fillers and questionable ingredients. Are polyethylene glycol and titanium dioxide really necessary? I was told that supplements (multis) from other countries are smaller and easier to swallow. The assumption is that the manufacturers load the pills with fillers on purpose, to the point where some of them are horse pill sized, in order to convince the consumer they're getting more product and justify charging more. In the meantime, what are those ingredients doing to us? Food-derived multis would need to be larger, I guess, and in that case would make sense.
The way things are going, I expect the "experts" will soon be telling us smoking is good for your health ( limited drinking has already been blessed).
Too late - there already is one. William Campbell Douglas, MD authors a free online subscription for short articles on current events in medical and pharmaceutical field called "the Douglas Report". Strange as it may sound, there are actually some medicinal benefits to tobacco usage. His reports are very informative, and every American should know what the intentions of Big Pharma are. His short reports are one of the only places that the public can find this information. I can't emphasize enough how informative I have found his mailings to be over the last couple years and I would encourage all to google him and sign up. Although, I am curious what he will have to say about the content of this story, as I believe him to be a proponent of the multi.
The key to my longevity I believe lies with having lots and lots of (safe) sex. I also believe that having 'multi'partners will help ward off any future Alzheimer's because it forces you to use your brain functions constantly in order to remember who said what. I also end up having a well rounded diet because I date a wide variety of women who all have unique diets and cooking specialties which are all quite healthy.
I'd also be more than happy to be a test subject for any future study that might be published that would prove my theory.
Health Headline November 4, 2010:
Studies show multivitamins DO prevent disease.
I still remember when caffeine (and more specifically coffee) was demonized. Now apparently, caffeine has some health benefits (according to some study) so the "experts" suggest moderate coffee consumption.
I did read a study once that smokers were less likely to develop cervical cancer. Does anyone take these studies seriously?
This is why I rather take herbs than vitamins. Herbs stimulate your body to do what's right for it by using the vitamins and nutrients already stored in the body. That, and exercise of course.
That quack, so-called "Doctor" Douglas is a ranting lunatic! The only reason to read his articles is if you need a laugh.
Herbs, I like that, smoke some herb too, it's all natural. Now to the Story? One study after another debunks one study after another. Remember the one about the Egg being bad for you? It kind of goes hand in hand with the outlawed plants. When that one about eggs came out years ago, it made me laugh, natures perfect food in the perfect container, and it's bad for you?? The bottom line is that these people don't know what they are talking about. I have an idea, and it's full proof. Everybody reading this, and those that aren't, all have the same chance of dying, and those odds are? Well I'll be dammed, it's a 10 in 10 chance. The moral is: Just be happy. This just in, breathing is bad for you, hold your breath.
This all reminds me of the back and forth with eggs. First they are good, then they are bad, then it was the whites that were good and yolks bad, now they're good again.
Funny, here I thougt it was the pharmaceutical companies that were telling you lemmings what you wanted to hear. Have an ailment ... we have a pill for that! And it's very effective ... here, just look at this carefully manipulated report. It's only expensive because we have to set aside a lot of cash to payoff the inevitable lawsuits that will follow from your upcoming drug induced heart attack.
I don't take for granted everything Douglas writes, but his work is backed up by real medical studies - the ones that aren't bought and paid for by Big Pharma.
I thought I was pretty clear that I was not referring to diet when I referred to lemmings, since my whole comment was about ailments and pharmaceuticals. Your disdain is obviously related to your digust of man using animals for nutrition. I don't take issue with someone choosing to be vegan / vegetarian, so long as they don't try and convince the rest of society that we can stop eating eating animals and switch to your plan and the world will be a big happy place. The world would be an unimaginable mess with billions of livestock running wild with no ability to defend or feed themselves. That is a whole other argument. Nobody is saying you need "huge amounts of animal proteins and saturated fats" to be healthy - he is just saying that it is a myth that the fats are unhealthy and should be trimmed and discarded. He also stresses the importance of balancing this diet with plenty of vegetables.
The lemmings I am referring to are those that fall for the statins, blood pressure meds in lieu of diet manipulation, a questionable vaccine for everything that can be imagined, pills for everything from restless legs to seasonal affective disorder, putting children on powerful meds because they are "hyper", etc. If the pharmaceutical industry discovered a natural cure for cancer, how many people would they let die by not divulging this information because they were busy at work attempting to create a synthetic equivalent that can be patented?
Nothing here states the reason I take multivitamins.....I feel better than when I do not take them. My personal quality of life is better, day to day, with a quality multivitamin.
I do as well, Jody. My diet is very limited due to a stomach condition, gastroparesis or paralyzed stomach, that limits not only portions but the types of foods that I can tolerate. I read above about "Just eat this and this and this". Not so easy for all of ust to do. I can't eat meat often, and even then it is usually fish, as it causes intense pain. My fat intake is severely limited for the same reason. And my fruit and vegetable choices are down to just a handful that will digest and not cause pain or, eventually, a form a lump in my stomach from the undigested fiber.
Since my diet is so limited, I take a good multi that comes in either a liquid form (hard to find) or a gummie that I can suck on slowly. I know for a fact that by doing this and drinking things like gatorade and propel, my blood levels are stable even with being as limited as I am.
Multi vitamins are nutrition Supplements, you still need to eat properly and the combination makes me feel great. You can get a stroke or heart attack from exercising which everyones needs, it's simple, just ask a doctor what is right for you and work into it slowly.
It amazes me that people actually get paid to spend years on frivolous "studies"............
In a related story, doctors have found that Fiber, Omega-3 and Vitamin D can contribute to mind cancer and disease of the face.
I don't think multivitamins were intended to PREVENT cancer or heart disease, but to supplement. My doctor has not only recommended a multivitamin, but suggested that I also increase certain parts of it, like calcium, vitamin D, and Omega-3s. Not everyone gets the recommended vitamins every day.
best way to get ur vitas is eat healty, plenty of fruits and veggies!!
And what if you gain weight easily. One of the most unhealthy things anyone can do is consume excessive calories in any form.
I exercise regularly. More than most people I know, and can gain weight looking at food. I get most of my calories from protein as I feel terrible if I don't eat enough of it. Consequently I back off on the fruits and veggies to reduce calories. I get my needed vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, etc from supplements that are virtually calorie free.
Fruits and veggies generally don't make you fat, unless you consider French Fries and apple pie "fruits and veggies"
I will never forget what Dr. Dean once said on his radio show. Vitamins can, very possibly help cancers to grow and flourish. The vitamin feeds the cancer/cancer cells and allows them to grow more rapidly.
The only problem I find with that theory is that I have never heard a doctor recommend a patient eliminate healthy fruits and vegetables from their diets for fear of feeding the cancer cells.
Dr. Ray Strand has some done some amazing research on nutrition and disease management, as has concluded that cancer cells actually absorb nutrition differently from healthy cells ( I believe it has to do with the shape and health of the cells), so that there is no risk of feeding cancerous cells through nutrition. You could visit drraystrand.com to view more of his work.
Hey, thank you for that information. I will check it out!
People with chronic inflammatory illnesses likely have difficulty maintaining the proper balance of nutrients in their systems. For them, a healthy diet and a few specific supplements may not be sufficient.
Granted, a daily multivitamin may not offer all the benefits available in a varied, nutritious diet, but it may correct some shortages caused by chronic inflammation.
Expecting a multivitamin to prevent serious disease is unreasonable, and I don't think most educated Americans rely on this faulty thinking.
You would hope that most Americans don't rely on it, but we have become a lazy society. I rely on them only because I CANNOT digest food properly. It causes terrible pain and nausea whenever I eat, so I am limited to what increases the symptoms the least. I never even thought that a multi would prevent disease, just make it easier for me to stay somewhat healthy while dealing with this condition. This is the first time I have even heard of a multi being prescribed to prevent serious disease. I have only ever heard of them being given as a supplement to a healthy diet.
You sound like me. I have gastritis/gerd and am also limited in what I can eat, I am suffering now as a matter of fact. I only take Calcium with magnesium, zinc and D. Vitamins usually upset my stomach anyway so I just don't take them.
I also have ulcerative colitis and it is difficult to maintain a balance of what is generally considered healthy. Salad items, tomato products, milk (lactose) all upset my digestion. So I do take a multivitamin, and others supplements, as I have indicated in a previous post. A little more lean protein seems to help, and I am not talking chicken or turkey. Beef has helped me fight some of the symptoms of a flare-up.
I have watched Dr. Oz promote multi-vitamins more then once on his television show. I am tired of these back and forth *study* results. I've taken a multi since I was a kid (starting with Flintstone Vitamins). When I'm not taking them for prolonged periods, I can tell the difference in my overall demeanor, my skin and how I sleep.
The real test would be if I gave you a sugar pill (placebo) and told you it was a multi-vitamin, would you notice a difference?
There is a psychological component to taking a pill, so is it really doing something or do you believe it's doing something?
Fine, I'll keep taking my multi/placebo or whatever we want to call it. If in fact it causes me to believe my health is better and I am better for taking it then there is no problem. I'll keep deluding myself and ignore these back & forth reports.
Dr. Dave...I've done that. I'm not the type to do something because I read it, or my mom said so. I've had the same thoughts that quite possibly its all in my head. I have stopped taking multi's several times, for quite a long period, and it wasn't just shades of difference. I wonder now if pregnant women will stop taking folic acid and aenemic women should also stop taking iron. Sigh...but we all have tons of money and time to eat and prepare everything organic, which seems to be the holy grail. Wait for it, 7 years from now there will be studies out that say eating organic has no advantage.
Shouldn't we be do studies on the habits of the most healthy people on earth and incorporate those habits into our lifestyles instead of the results of some scientific study that changes every year? I'm in my fifties and I've taken a multi-vitamin for over 30 years. I'm rarely ill, I don't take any medications, and I'm in the best shape of my life.
I noticed a bigger difference switching to eating fruit with breakfast, veggies with lunch and dinner, and cutting out white flour than by taking or not taking a multi. I work out 6 days a week, and my mood, energy, fitness is better than it was before.
Remember, if you do not like this report; wait a few months for the next one. It could be more agreeable.
Isnt that the truth!
I will wait for the next one.
I wouldn't trust much 'Prevention' has to say. Look through the pages and you see more drug ads than articles. There's very little about prevention and plenty about 'treatment'.
Rusty Louis and bbtri - you've said it all!
Well, that's the amazing thing about scientific research isn't it. One study may indicate one result and conclusion, and another study may indicate something contrary to the first. That's the way it works when you're trying to figure out an incredibly complex process like human metabolism and health.
I suppose as an alternative, if you don't like the scientific process and it's sometimes contradictory results, you could look in the bible and see if Moses, Isaiah or Jesus said anything about multi-vitamins. I know they had plenty of advice about pigs and fish and milk.
Jesus was a capricorn he ate organic food....
Bible people died at 40.
Even so they had no processed foods and everything they ate was organic. If you had a problem digesting your food and you, therefore, suffered malnutrition, guess what, you died. Comparing eating habits (among other things) of modern people with 2k to 4k year old people from the bronze age is an exercise in complete absent mindedness.
Sure, take a multi if you like but certainly exercise! Include high fiber, home made veggie and fruit juices in your low processed food diet. Don't smoke. Don't drink to excess. Keep your weight down.
Do this and you will be as fine as your genetics will allow.
The problem is the multivitamins vary from brand to brand as well as different formulation within a brand. Many of them adopt a more-is-good policy, which is in fact, simply not the truth in most cases. Also, many of specific forms of supplements within many multivitamins are worthless and not overtly bioavailable, and in some cases ...like specific types of Vitamin E, can do way more harm than good. Honestly, all of these studies on multivitamins are worthless because there is no consistency involved. Best bet is to not take any multivitamin period and only supplement with proven vitamins/supplements in appropriate forms. Worthless article all in all.
I agree with the study resullts....NOT because I think supplements are ineffective - but because a MULTIVITAMIN, while containing many/most of the required elements, does not contain ENOUGH of most of them. And, one can't simply "double up" or "triple up, etc" because one would then be consuming TOO MUCH of a FEW of the elements. The only answer is to take the required supplements INDIVIDUALLY in the right dosages. Which ones? How much of each? I read and follow Dr. Blaylock's recommendations -which also address proper diet and exercise. Unlike many/most such "doctors" who publish health newsletters, Blaylock does not lace his advice with advertisements for specific products from companies in which he has a financial interest. Look him up online and come to your own conclusion.
I try to find the one that works best for me. Unfortunately, it does go over on one vitamin, but it is water soluble, so whatever your body doesn't require it will get rid of naturally. Everything else in it is around 100%, except for a few that are much lower. I use this one whenever I can find it because it goes down as a liquid, which makes it easier for me to digest and absorb. If I was able to eat a regular diet, I would not look for one that had such high percentages, but there are others out there that are much higher.
There is a self serving interest here somewhere because the conclusions are silly and the premise foolish. In the end they give situations when you can take supplements. That is why they are supplements! Find a trusted source and stay are pure as you can and stop following these informercials. Personally, I do not take enough multivitaments and other supplements. I should. They are not supposed to be medicine to stop this or that illness or condition and were never intended to be. They help our eating and protect us from our oversights or lack of information and bad eating habits as well.
So yes ...WORTHLESS ARTICLE indeed
hear hear!
I always love all these recommendations to eat two or three cups of this or that; Have these idiots EVER stacked that up and look how much it actually is?? Plus, given the variety of ways foods can be prepared, how do they know that your ARE getting what you need from their recommendation. When I've looked at their "FOOD" pyramid, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I don't see them condemning processed sugars which get packed into almost any commercially prepared foods including the veggies.
What a crock; another worthless study paid for by the taxpayers no doubt.
Thanks for the advice (yawn...). I'll keep taking my multi-vitamins each day.
At one time I believe, maybe I am wrong, Prevention magazine stood up for the little guy. Any more I questions that. It is the tabloid of health magazines and probably not worth the paper it is printed on anymore. But people buy it and believe it just like they do the National Enquirer so go figure.
The truth is, sad to say. that a majority of Americans eat crap and do not get the vitamins they need. The body is extremely resilient but at some point will give up. Having the nutrients available in the form of a good multivitamin is cheap insurance. There is no way however you can get all the needed vitamins, herbs, nutrients into a single pill you could swallow. Check out the Life Extension Foundation. They have a great staff of doctors and do real research. I have been a member for years and regularly take a host of supplements. I certainly feel my life is better as a result. My multi is 14, yes 14 capsules daily!
The bottom line is that like everything else in this world there will never be a consensus of opinion. You have to do what you think is right for you based on your own research and experience. I would not necessarily be swayed by these "studies" that come out week after week to make the 6 O'clock news. When you check most have no real sound scientific basis.
I don't take vitamins, never have, never will. As with all foods approved by the FDA, I am quite sure that multis are just as full of artifical sweeteners and preservatives as any other candy.
The FDA does have their load of crap ways, but if you do some research, you will find pharmaceutical grade multis have a much higher standard than those treated like frozen pizzas, and USANA Essentials don't contain artificial ingredients.
Journalists, commentators and physicians shoud all read the story of Peter and the Wolf. The credibility gap grows compounded by the false security of hubris posing as certitude.
Some thoughts for Bill in Florida: This is exactly why we need studies and research to help us understand how the vitamins we're taking help or harm us. Remember when vitamin E was considered a cure-all for almost everything? Then a very reliable study found that women who take actually have higher risks of heart failure compared to women who didn't take vitamin E.
I take vitamins and I definitely want to know whether they're helping me in the way I expect or if I'm doing damage.
I remember those E studies and findings too. They were all pretty much found to be inaccurate, but that didn't make the headlines like the other story did.
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine/
"The latest published clinical trial of vitamin E’s effects on the heart and blood vessels of women included almost 40,000 healthy women ≥45 years of age who were randomly assigned to receive either 600 IU of natural vitamin E on alternate days or placebo and who were followed for an average of 10 years [23]. The investigators found no significant differences in rates of overall cardiovascular events (combined nonfatal heart attacks, strokes, and cardiovascular deaths) or all-cause mortality between the groups. However, the study did find two positive and significant results for women taking vitamin E: they had a 24% reduction in cardiovascular death rates, and those ≥65 years of age had a 26% decrease in nonfatal heart attack and a 49% decrease in cardiovascular death rates."
I disagree that this is worthless, because there are several increasingly dangerous sides to supplements, and if nothing else this sparks people at least taking a second look at their habits.
Not all supplements are bad - HOWEVER, there is little regulation on concentrations of each vitamin in your multi, AND most people self-medicate and think they need more more more. A few examples:
There is an increase in ulcers induced by overdosing on Vitamin C (despite being water-soluble, it is highly acidic, and people willingly overdose consistently). There is an increase in issues calcium deposits, similar in consistency to heel spurs, due to women being scared into taking excessive calcium supplements (too much can even cause blockages in the heart).
In addition, many multi-vitamins don't account for absorption. Did you know that when a woman consumes both iron and calcium together that neither is absorbed well? They inhibit each other, yet most multi's directed at women include both.
Pharmaceutical companies don't make money from people who take vitamins and can remain healthy without the use of their drugs. I'll bet my paycheck that the majority of these studies, if not all of them, were sponsored by Big Pharma!
Sales of multivitamins must be up and drug sales must be down.......really people.....if you take a good multi quit taking it for 15 days and see how you feel. As my mother use to say "the proof is in the pudding" so just find out for yourself as you should anyways. You can only believe may 1/4 of what you see and read, all studies are funded by some special interest group.
I read about this several months ago. I have taken multi-vitamins religiously for years so decided to be my own lab rat. Totally stopped taking them (except for my daily calcium-Vit D supp.). Much to my surprise, there has been NO change in my energy levels, mood, bloodwork, etc. In MY case, it would appear that these reports are true. Multis ain't cheap, so I'm just going to put that money in my wallet.
After taking several different varieties for a couple years, I think the only ones that actually do anything are the ones derived from real food, generally fairly expensive ones.. They seem to have the better ingredients in the proper ratios and capable of being absorbed in the body as real compounds that it can use. The cheaper stuff are mostly filled with sythetic chemicals which often can't even get absorbed or can make you feel sicker.
I agree that big pharma could easily have funded this study. But on the other hand, one of the problems with multis is all the fillers and questionable ingredients. Are polyethylene glycol and titanium dioxide really necessary? I was told that supplements (multis) from other countries are smaller and easier to swallow. The assumption is that the manufacturers load the pills with fillers on purpose, to the point where some of them are horse pill sized, in order to convince the consumer they're getting more product and justify charging more. In the meantime, what are those ingredients doing to us? Food-derived multis would need to be larger, I guess, and in that case would make sense.