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If this makes you sick you are in deep kim chi - and so are we all.
Not really complicated - The only reason there is so much opposition to the health care reform is because after decades it was the Democrats who were able to get it through and that too under the leadership of Obama !? That is a NO NO ! So now they will try to scrap it and make minor changes and get it through and claim that We the Republicans were the ones who brought about REAL change ! The People who elected these based on all the misinformation / lies and fear mongering are not only stupid but also deserve to suffer through the final ditching of America
Talk is cheap. Now they have to perform and lets see what miracle wand they are going to wave to create jobs and reduce the size and cost of government!? They are going to cut staff and services / extend tax breaks for the rich and create what jobs? Sounds hoky to me !?
SB ---- that may be true for some people, but i am an independent, and i am against manditory participation regardless of which party passes it.
That's pretty ironic, so are the folks lined up in emergency rooms (legal and illegal) with no health insurance......
SB, it is NOT health care reform. It is HEALTH INSURANCE reform. Get your facts straight. Just because Congress calls a cat a dog does not make a cat a dog. Although the Health Insurance Reform may very well be a dog.
The bill is such a disaster 68% of the public want it completely repealed. They prefer nothing over that pile of crap. Having half a dozen cherries does not make the ton of crap go down any easier. Loose the 2000 pages of crap and just pass the 500 pages of cherries. The republicans already had a bill but Obama rejected it out of hand.
Most republicans ran and were elected on the promise to repeal. They'd better do their damnedest to make that happen, no matter what tactic is used.
I hope the repubs dont trip over sick and dying people on their way to "victory"
Yeah...they make me sick!
Exactly....and I'm going to be one of them. With all the pre-existing conditions I have, disability and being over 50. I'll be DEAD before I'm ever able to reach the age for Medicare.... which they will have also abolished. I figure I have MAYBE 3-5 yrs to live.... at best unless I have some kind of serious accident that kills me first.... ie snake/spider bite, fall & break something, heart attack , stroke, ruptured spleen....you get the idea.
Rotten selfish greedy inhumane bastards.
Yes Beware, I get the idea - you want ME to take care of YOU!
How much of my income do you want ME to give you? Do you want ME to give you 10% of my income... 30%... 50%? How much of MY money will you need to survive another few years? Take all of MY income that you want and don't worry if MY standard of living goes down; it is unfair for ME to have anything nice in MY life so long as there are people like you who need MY money more than I do. I even have some money saved up in the bank, go ahead and take all of that too.
BTW, if you are disabled you are entitled to Medicare:
Like idiots, California gambles with Jerry Brown and Boxer to bring home $200Billion in funds to get them out of the deep hole they're in. The only problem with that is the House will not let such a stimulus package be paid out to CA and / or NY, since it is controlled by Conservatives. That would lead to another LARGE $$$$ deficite that the people don't want. It will never happen.
Like idiots, California gambles with Jerry Brown and Boxer to bring home $200Billion in funds to get them out of the deep hole they're in.
Yup....another democrat trying to dig out of a hole a republican left for him. Just seems to be the same old crap just a different pile!
And your very partisan pontificating has exactly what to do with the potential opposition of governors to the health care law???? Stick with the topic or find your own soapbox......
This disaster didn't start until after democrats controlled the purse strings. It's all on their watch.
. . . AND STAY OUT!!!
In all this drive and zeal to "fight the health care law," I pray people like me who are uninsured due to preexisting conditions don't get lost in a zone of continued coverage denial. Boehner thinks the health care bill is a "monstrosity." The REAL monstrosity is 50 millions Americans denied health care coverage or priced out of the market due to the greed of the health insurance industry.
Agreed. Still can't believe some people oppose some of the parts of the healthcare reform. Yes, its not perfect but its better than nothing.
I'm sure if someone been paying into health insurance for years and when you do end up really needing it due to life threatening medical issues,... dam straight I don't want Insurance companies canceling my policy over smallest detail on paperwork.
And for those who complain that they are NOW forced to pay for the uninsured....... you already are. It's called emergency room. So insured people are footing their bills by higher premiums.
Repeal that bunch of crap and start where the real problem is: tort reform for malpractice insurance!
The health insurance companies love this big stinking turd. They stand to make billions off it.
Obama was very clever, he included half a dozen cherries in his pile of dung, then he went out and sold the cherries to the naive while refusing to acknowledge the ton of dung that came with it. It irony was that most of the cherries were republican ideas that Obama even thanked them for.
Boehner even offered the cherries only bill but Obama wanted his socialist wet dream so it fell on deaf ears. Hopefully this will be corrected.
America had a referendum last night, in great measure on "Heath Care Reform".
It is NOT health care reform. It is HEALTH INSURANCE reform. Get your facts straight. Just because Congress calls a cat a dog does not make a cat a dog. Although the Health Insurance Reform may very well be a dog
I'm glad the GOP won PART of the house. If they simply set a course to roll back all the things the Dems have done, there will be nothing the Republicans will have done to advance this country forward by solving its problems. It appears the only thing the Republicans are good at is attacking anyone who's different from them. Eventually, the public will see that they've been used. I see Obama being reelected in 2012.
Gridlock and reversal to the good the Dems have done will be all the Republicans will be focusing on. The best we can expect is to tread water. The market will correct itself, jobs will be created WITHOUT GVMNT help and the games will continue with the Repubs taking credit for all the new jobs, for which they will have done nothing to create.
Remember folks, the goverment doesn't create jobs, unless they hire people. Even if taxes for corporations are cut, they can still choose to take their business over seas, instead of hiring here. All this talk about the government creating jobs is a mirage. Cutting taxes puts money back in the people's and corporate pockets. What the public and corporations decides to do with it (spend, invest or save) is entirely up to them, not the government. This is what drives the economy, not the governemnt.
If the government decides to cut spending by cutting jobs, this will only increase unemployment. The folks in Congress will NEVER cut spending that will be detrimental to their individual jobs if that spending benefits their home states. Call it corruption, fraud, whatever. That's just a fact of life in government.
Good luck GOP.
the government doesn't create jobs even when they do hire people ---- a government job is like welfare --- it takes money out of your pocket and mine, and gives it to someone else. ---- we need jobs that come from privately owned companies, not from expended government services.
Tell that to the engineers, equipment operators, laborers, and suppliers for the 15,000 infrastructure projects generated through the stimulus package - which also contained the largest tax cuts in US history (yes, larger than the Reagan cuts...). Of course these are temporary jobs - not made for careers. But that's intended too - the goal wasn't to make more people dependent upon the government; the goal was to put people to work now so that eventually the whole economy would perk up and start generating lasting job positions. Every economist I've read (including articles in The Economist - the most authoritative economic periodical) says the stimulus was too small - held down by the Republicans and their firmly disproven Trickle Down philosophy, thus extended the poor performance of our economy.
Smokey's Mom- Couldn't agree with you more. I see where people are voting Republican and they will see in the future that their vote was in vane! The Republican party has no solutions to anything. Just a bunch of "BS"! The only thing they will strive to do is put more money in the pockets of big business, as fast as possible. This is the history of the Republican party, read about it folks! How they have suckered a lot of the middle class and poor into voting for a Republican completely baffles me constantly. They could care less about the poor & middle class, as this two classes of people do not benefit them at all.
They will probably become lawyers or politicians. The opportunity to enhance their wealth will be greatly increased.
Hey, do you by chance have the source on that number of 46%? I'm not doubting you necessarily, I'm just really curious. I'd really like to look at it too. If that's right, it presents a pretty significant problem! Thanks in advance for guiding me to it.
And for 'Shocked,' I don't understand that animosity towards doctors. It just really confuses me.
I would like to see your sources too. 46% is a high figure and is very hard to believe.
Socialist garbage eh? Better get rid of police, firefighters, and school teachers because they are considered socialist garbage. Forcing the tax payers to pay for these even if they don't use it. But complain the loudest when they needed the most.
wildchild and had-enough ----- i've seen those numbers too ---- google doctors versus healthcare reform. ---- you will find at least 2 articles which will give you similar numbers. ---- although, i seem to remember it had to do more with doctors leaving public practice for private practice.
A very good video on this issue from Dr. David Janda, in Ann Arbor, MI should be an eye opener for those wondering about the 46% number. He's one of those doctors that intends to leave private practice if this is enforced.
You watch... you decide.
T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ
Shocked: So what if they become lawyers and enhance their wealth? They would be the ones doing the studying and doing the work. Therefore, any benefit gained from said studying and work should be theirs and theirs alone.
Good way to say just google it if you want to believe me.
Lots of new doctors been moving away from family practice to more specialized fields for a decade or so due to higher compensations and higher pay. Blame that on lower insurance and medicare reinbursements. Look at OB doctors. Less and less doctors are specializing in that fields due to high malpractice insurance. None of these has to do with Obama care. These been going on way before Obama care even came up by several years.
Nice try on cherry picking the data.
I am a democrat and I voted as such. I will take my lumps and sit back and see what happens. I truly hope that the Repubs will deliver on what they are saying. Let's see if they will finally tackle healthcare reform (yes, it needs reforming badly). Let's see if they will tackle immigration. Let's see if they will tackle the over blown spending at DOD. I have lived through Republican and Democratic controlled governments and I still have to get up and go to work and make sure my family is safe and fed, so I will not sweat this lost and neither should anyone else. Wait and hope that they govern well, because it if for the country on a whole. If they do not govern well and get back in bed with big business, then we will have the votes (to use their line) vote the bums out. Good luck GOP and I am sure everyone will be watching your moves.
I pretty much agree with your sentiments. So the Republicans won. Now, I ask them: now what? Are they going to be a completely regressive government that only wants to roll things back to the way they were pre-2006? Or are they going to offer up viable solutions for major problems faced today? Extending tax cuts for the top 2%? Repealing health care legislation? All fine, as long as they are okay with going to the American people to sell increasing the deficit in order to boost corporate earnings, that may or may not "trickle down". Heh...good luck GOP.
Republilcan Version of Heathcare Reform :
WE live.
YOU die.
So sorry !! < EVIL grin>
Healthcare in other countries has failed on the ability to cover the costs. Those countries with "socialized" healthcare on now on the ropes on how to pay for it. Don't expect the top 2% of wage earners in the U.S. to fund it. You better be prepared for much higher sales taxes to even out the distribution of costs. I suspect this is not what you entitlement seekers want to hear!
it is NOT health care reform. It is HEALTH INSURANCE reform. Get your facts straight. Just because Congress calls a cat a dog does not make a cat a dog. Although the Health Insurance Reform may very well be a dog
I am so proud of Republicans whose total mission in life is to wreck the health care law and further impoverish millions of uninsured Americans. I was a Republican but would not vote for one as a dogcatcher.
And the Roberts Court which has allowed corporate America and foreign interests to buy elections has pretty well ended any hope of a democracy in this country.
The most important part of this statement is millions.
Where were they yesterday?
This is why they will get what they deserve.
We've lived in a plutocracy for a long time now. The Supreme Court only cemented it in place. I am proud that Obama took a giant stab at the beast before we devolve into a modern day feudal society. The irony is that all these people who cry for freedom and limited government are ensuring they have less freedom and opportunity at the hands of corporate controlled America. Power through fear. The fear of change, the fear of what they are not, the fear of thinking. They'll hand their souls over to Wal-Mart in exchange for a gun and cheap Chinese plastic rather than envision a better world - a world their overlords have declared socialist, communist, fascist, or any misnomer it takes to scare the masses into voting themselves into a prison.
The few of us left in the middle recognize the Democrats for what they are: flawed and spineless and the closest thing to reasonable that this country has left. Unfortunately, the farther to the middle they move, their counterparts run even farther to the right throwing pithy insults over their shoulders along the way.
This will never get any better. You can't fight crazy with sane. Crazy only respects crazy.
America is proving once again that it is full of greedy, selfish people. I have private health care, but I was willing to see my tax dollars go to help those without insurance. Greedy, greedy, greedy.
Well its nice to know you have private insurance. That must mean you have a job or two or maybe a stash of money. What about the people who do not have jobs and from the looks of it after the unemployment extensions run out will be forced to work for minimum wage or close to it They will have to make financial decisions like purchase health care and starve which by the way will add to the current housing situation. They will no longer have the "I will take a chance" option as the fines will be pretty stiff, (especially if you live in MA. where you will be fined twice yep by the Fed & the State).
We already pay Medicare and SS/Medicaid to help people get healthcare which currently is more than 1/2 of what we pay for Federal taxes. Working in R.I. I also pay a mandatory Short Term Disability insurance. How much mandatory insurance do we need.
It also would not be bad to help other people that deserve help but there are far too many people that will get free health care just because they do not want to work and I simply do not condone paying for that.
It is too similair to donating to charities only to find out that only 10% is actually going to whom it is supposed to go to.
So now we go back to the old Republican health system. "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly". Kiss Medicare goodbye while you are at it.
I'll be interesting to see if the newly-elected Republicans sign-up for the government healthcare package offered to "new employees" of the government. And at the same time, attempt to repeal "Obamacare" so many folks who cannot obtain health insurance will never be able to obtain health insurance.
This healthcare reform is not about greed or selfishness. I graduated college in 2009 right smack dab in the middle of the recession. I had to work 2 part time jobs for a year and intern on my 2 days off for FREE until I got a job offer at a company for my major. All the while I had no health coverage and was denied because of my pre-existing condition. HOWEVER, now that I am in the position to look and compare both healthcare plans I do NOT want this new reform to go through.
My whole extended family is Canadian and this plan is moving toward Canada's healthcare system and that is NOT a good thing. This system is supposed to give "everyone" coverage and that's bull@!$%#. I've read the bill thoroughly. And I talked to my relatives prior to voting and they have friends who have moved to the US JUST for our healthcare. They have to be dying in the emergency waiting room JUST to see a doctor. They have to wait up to 6 months before they can get a check up. They pay $210 for a medication I got for $16 WITHOUT insurance. I would love to see shared wealth for all...but NOT if that means having a healthcare system that makes me wait until I'm taking my last breath to step in.
I also know people living in the inner city who quit their job in retail because "they made more collecting." Is THAT who I'm going to be paying for while I'm working hard to support myself and pay my school loans? I'm going to be paying for people I KNOW who have been collecting for almost two years now because their too "comfortable" to suck up their pride and work for $8 an hour LIKE I HAD TO for a year?! I'm sorry...I'm living pay check to pay check and was a total Obama supporter...while I was in college...but the real world has begun to steer me in a different direction.
Rebecca, welcome to the grown up world.
Glad to see you have seen the light.
Rebecca,
I am amazed by your post. I live in detroit and see many of my Canadian friends on a regular basis. None of them seem to hold your opinion of the Canadian system. A few have lived in both countries for some part of their lives and yet still they prefer the Canadian system. I have asked them on more than one occasion if Canadians really hate their system as much as people here in the U.S. say they do. Their answer is quite telling... "If we hated the system so much, it would have been gone long ago... We have been through both Liberal and Conservative controlled governments but the system is still here"
In regards to people to your comment about people "from the inner city" I am seriously disappointed by the racist connotations. As I said, I live in Michigan, where the collapse of the auto industry has left unemployment exceedingly high. Funny thing is, just as many people who live in Rural Northern Michigan are 'collecting' as are people who live in inner city Detroit. Another thing about 'collecting' .. Why is it ok for a company like Google to collect billions in profit, then use the 'system' of tax loopholes to lower their actual tax to 4 percent, but it is not ok for an average citizen to try to be a good business person and make as much money as they can make by taking advantage of the unemployement system? While were at it.. Why do we allow companies to pay 8 dollars an hours when we all know that you cannot afford to live on it? Anyway, it would seem we should be equally upset with corporations that 'game' the system as we are with individuals who do the same.
A final thought... I understand how easy it is to drink the Republican cool-aid. They offer easy solutions, easy answers.. In their world, it is the poor peoples fault they are poor. If we just cut taxes on rich people everything will be great. If we just 'get rid' of government everything will be swell. The market takes care of everything. We don't have to sacrifice, make hard choices, invest in the future.
Once the cool-aid wears off and you find out you are not going to be rich we will welcome you back to the Democratic Party.. See you in a few years.
Rebecca: I think your relatives are living in Minnesota, not Canada. I can even buy prescription drugs from a Canadian mail order pharmacy cheaper than I can get them here in the US. Maybe your relatives are not buying prescription drugs at all, but the kind that you get on the street corner from the guy in the hoodie.
Hmmm...in the list of industrialized countries I don't see CANADA ranked 39th for healthcare like the US. It's a FACT that we have the most expensive care in the world, get the least for it and don't even offer it to all of our citizens. We also have the sickest, unhappiest, overworked ( we rank #2 right behind Japan ) in the WORLD.
FRANCE, the Scandanavian countries and Switzerland have the BEST universal healthcare systems in the world. Even Hong Kong's healthcare system is better than ours. Look it up.
And the BIGGEST benefit that the citizens of all countries w/UHC have is that they and their families will NEVER , EVER have to worry about dying for lack of care or inacessibility to care , losing their homes and/or life savings because they can't pay the bill.
I'll take SOCIALIZED medicine over the NOTHING the GNOP has to offer any day of the week.
If Rebecca's employer offers a qualified health plan, there is no denial based on pre-existing conditions. The insurance plans offered by many private and public employers did away with this a long ago. Yes, the person may be required to pay a higher premium, but that is to be understood. That person is virtually guaranteed to use more of the group resources.
Again, this has nothing to do with selfishness or greed. I worked extremely hard to get where I am...EXTREMELY hard. I give back MORE then most people, trust me. But I have a problem when I KNOW PEOPLE (Drone Aaron there was no racist connotation? I said inner city...because they lived in Trenton, NJ...the inner city) anyways, I know people who have no desire to get a job because they can just collect. I have a problem with that ethic. I believe a person should work for what they want and not victimize themselves.
I had no benefits because of my pre-existing condition, no it didn't go away, and no I don't want to knock people down now that I have a job with insurance coverage. My whole motivation TO GET A JOB was to get coverage, and be able to pay my school loans. After reading the majority of the bill I have found things that stick out to me as un-constitutional. Being forced to have insurance or getting a $700 fine that you DON'T HAVE TO PAY...and if you don't pay it...it just comes right out of other tax payers checks...awesome.
My canadian relatives live in Toronto, so the city heavily impacts the health system because of the amount of people. On average it's a 7 month wait period to see a doctor. Of course some Canadians like the health care system, it's free. But the people I have talked to can't stand it because of the wait periods and high priced prescription medications...I didn't say ALL Canadians. Just like not ALL Americans want this health reform.
Things aren't rosy for me...I still am living pay check to pay check...I just made a decision on this healthcare after looking into it. It's not THAT shocking and I still am 100% liberal for every social issue in the USA today. And IF the health reform guaranteed to cover EVERY American than maybe I would feel slightly different...but it won't! It can't afford to! The bill states about 23 million people will remain uninsured nine years out. That figure translates into an estimated 23,000 unnecessary deaths annually...ALSO millions of middle-class people will have to buy commercial health insurance policies costing up to 9.5% of their income but covering only about 70% of their medical expenses, potentially leaving them vulnerable to huge debt if they become REALLY sick. Many won't be able to afford it and if they get it anyway..it's too expensive to use because of the high co-pays and deductibles. The bill will also take about $40 billion from Medicare payments to protect hospitals, threatening the care of millions who will still be....yep...uninsured.
Sorry if I don't think that sounds like an ideal situation as far as healthcare goes. But I'm American so I'm allowed to have an opinion. I have equal respect for Democrats and Republicans and don't believe in throwing around blame. Believe in what you want and vote that way...it doesn't make me feel better at night to get angry at an opposing political party. Not all people who don't want this bill are selfish, greedy, rich conservatives. Some of us just don't like it.
Well obama maybe took a butt kicking but my state wasnt a part of that. after the worst gov in colo. history mr ritter i now have to listen to hickenlooper for 4 long years. however i do think he is more apt to work with conservatives than ritter ever was, bennett big mistake!!. i was glad to see ohio, virginia, indiana,pennsylvania, florida make great progress. someone please tell me how reelecting people like boxer, franks, reed and a few more of these lifers is ever going to change things. we won yes, but not as big as i was hoping. o well lets get something accomplished and get this country back on track. now we will see if the 2 parties can truely work together. i saved my best words for last. goodbye president PELOSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMEN!
Florida's new governor, the Medicare Fraud King Scott, was just elected. Am I finally allowed to call the GOP hypocrites?
Those governors are about to find out that the Obama health care laws were actually designed to take some of the load off of them and help the states meet their very rapidly growing indigent care populations. Of course, I suppose their answer will just be to turn people away, which will be cheaper still if they actually do it.
Now let's have the complainers put up or shut up. Let's reform healthcare! But let's let the bush tax cuts expire in order to fund it. Do not gut good programs and start over or you will get no where. Let's reform them. Watch out for "bean counters" who lack a heart!!!!! :) This election showed an important thing. The voters want the Republican Party to Reform and Re-invent itself, and the Democratic Party to lose the arrogance. Both must get over doing business the old way. We need to limit the power of lobbyists and money in campaigns. Th American People have had enough. Cut the new Healthcare Act and you will have 30 million people start a revolution in this country. And as for the Stimulus Act, let us get the money out of the Treasury and on the Street in infra-structure projects, where it will finally do some good!!!
I know families where every person in the family has a cell phone, and dish tv, but say they cant afford health insurance. There are makers in the world and takers in the world. Unfortunately there are far too many takers that expect the makers to foot the bill for everything.
With their description of the health care bill as an "abomination", will the Republicans fight at all to change among the most egregious, if not the single most loathsome, facet, the primary demand, the anti-Constitutional mandate that every be required to pruchase health insurance? Even if they don't like it; even if they don't want health insurance; even if they can't afford it; even if no policy provides all the coverage they want, meaning they'd have to buy several. This requirement, rememebr, was pioneered by Republican Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. His "solution" to people not having health insurance becqause they couldn't afford it wasn't to lean on the insurance industry and force them to provide quality service at an equitable price. Like the true corporatist Fascist New World Order thug that he is, he "solved" the problem by coverin it over, by ordering the people to pretend it doesn't exsist! He mandated everyone to purchase health insruance, or be in violation of his law. Even if they didn't want it; even if they couldn't afford it; even if no policy gave them all they wanted, meaning they'd have to buy several. This was picked up by the anti-American Nazi, Schwarzenegger. All Republicans. And Obama embracing the precept for his bill was only one proof that he is really a puppet of the GOP, but a powerful one. It is patently against Constitutional rights and, in fact, makes his bill illegal, although none of the GOP tools on the Democratic side of the government is willing to admit it. Fundamental to the issue of the Republicans seeing the health bill as truly an "abomination" or simply an inconvenient for the insurqnce industry is whether they remove the mandate for universal coverage or simply target provisions that make demands of the insurers.
hopefully both sides will work to help the people that really need it and cut out non citizens from all benefits and work on other ways to reduce govt spending. Get rid of dept of energy for one and dept of education turn this over to states that all already have this covered.
How many citizens of the U.S. realize that the Founders of the Constitution NEVER intended for the Senate to be selected by popular vote. The House of representatives was to be used by the citizen population as a whole to be their voice. Senators were to be selected by the state legislatures. This would allow the states to keep total control out of the hands of the Federal Government. The 17th amendment changed the Senate to be popularly elected, the greatest error in our Constitutional history. Now we have unfunded mandates, unlimited entitlements bankrupting the country, and everyone complains because the Federal Government is unresponsive. Why cant we realize the wisdom of the Founders? REPEAL the 17th Amendment!
Excellent Point!
We still need to fix the mess created on the last two years. That will have to wait until 2012 to even start.
T
with the federal government...less is always more less taxes always results in more revenue and more jobs...less spending always results in wiser stewards finding and cutting fraud and waste Here in Texas allowing the legislature to only meet every other year reduces onerous laws that emotions and whim can impose...perhaps, WE SHOULD HAVE CONGRESS MEET EVERY TWO YEARS AND THE SENATE EVERY FOUR....hummmmmmm could help all of us
If you want Health Care to be mandated by the Federal Government, then pass a Constitutional Amendment to that affect. Then I will support it if that is the wish of the Constitutional process.
What about this part?
'promote the general Welfare'
I'm guessing that all of the people that don't want no stinking health insurance are healthy, with no financial problems, and no pre-existing conditions.
Lucky you.
that is true ---- the reality is that some people are simply blessed with good health ---- whether from good genes, or living a sensible lifestyle, or both, some people are healthy throughout their lives.