Epidemic that's killing Haitians likely came from a single infected human source
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from:msnbc.comCDC: Haiti's cholera part of 49-year-old pandemic
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Ain't it sad! The world comes to help and things go from bad to worse.....
Makes me want to pound my head against a wall. What makes it so horrid is the disease is so easily treated.
What makes it so hard is the Haitian's Gov stealing supplies and money donated to help it's people. This Country has been rioting for decades now and it's people live low while the Gov lives the high life. They need a coop and get in a Gov for the people. This stealing is why the US is holding back funds for help as the Haitian Gov wants the money directly and the US wants to give it to the people. They are blaming the UN for all their problems as their Gov tells them to. This place is and will be a mess.
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It is very sad as Haitian to see Haiti still cannot govern or organize itself after the US de-occupation in 1946. It is hard work but, there is hope Haiti will be better.
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As long as Corruption is rampant in Haiti nothing will move forward.
I'm picking up on the fact that this was a deliberate act by someone wanting to foment trouble for that benighted country. Now, it's also in the D.R.
sure like where is the motive,who would gain from that.those that would gain are not likely your choice villians.the earth quate was a deliberate act,is that what you are saying.having children that you can`t care for is a deliberate act,put the blame where it belongs.
A Haitian returning to Florida after visiting Haiti was diagnosed and treated for it as well.
We are told not to worry because it "isn't likely" that it will spread here. Aren't you comforted by that rousing statement of assurance?
I think we are safe from cholera. Most Americans wouldn't know the difference between the disease and a ripping bad hang-over. Gatorade cures them both.
Most of us probably are, Lynn, but there are still the elderly and the very young.
Let's hope this strain doesn't mutate as it travels.
People please get a grip. The death rate for 'untreated' cholera is 7%. That should give you some idea of how many people are currently infected and yet still living in Haiti (and spreading the disease).
I believe there is only one case of it in DR and it the person was caught migrating.
The very old and the very young are susceptible to most environmental or immunological conditions; extreme heat/cold, pneumonia, flu, colds, pertussis, etc. The young because they have not developed their natural or artificial immunity (through immunizations) and the elderly because their immune systems become weakened as part of the natural aging process. I am in no way cavalier to the potential of exposure to any infectious disease, but I am also confident enough in our underfunded health care system and infrastructures (particularly waste water treatment systems) to be reasonably assured that a cholera outbreak in the U.S. would be small in comparison to Haiti and could be contained to wherever it was detected.
Well lets see:
We are rebuilding a Capital City on a known fault line, estimated to rip again in as little as a decade.
Where we could build, with less chance of a quake, in Northern Haiti , they are rioting and physically threatening UN troops who help the populace.
Any entity trying to regrow the lost forest, must protect it with a armed force. They have devastated their environment . While their neighbor protected theirs.
And finally, who is adding feces to their own water??? Not the UN.
Does this have to happen?? Well the answer is that it doesn't. Just look at the Dominican Republic .
It's time to figure out whether our funds and deployment of aid, really is doing something other than supporting their corrupt and violent lifestyle. There is a point where you have to wonder if the aid is perpetuating the status quo????
Estimated by who? Nostradomas? Just build using modern construction standards (i.e. san francisco, los angeles, etc.) Stop building homes with sand.
"We are rebuilding a Capital City on a known fault line". Hmmm, kind of like LA?
And who should supply the money to rebuild their Country? Not the US I hope we have enough of an infrastructure proper here to rebuild. Why are my tax dollars going to rebuild a Country that is in perpetual riots. Why should my money pay for them when their Gov keeps the money and gets rich?
Let them worry about their problems and us fix ours. The above poster is correct just look at DR. It is a beautiful Country with rolling hills and forests and a steady base. They must be doing something right that Haiti doesn't get.
Actually MSNBC had a report that stated some scientists predicted a event in ten years. But this one further explains the situation.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/24/1889667/blind-fault-puts-haiti-at-new.html
There are 2 fault lines.
Now Jon: LA is a portion of the USA. When a portion of the US is devastated we rebuild. Do the same rules apply to a neighboring foreign country? Shouldn't we have more say in the wasting of our funds on at least projects helping a foreign country?? Or should we just flush the money down the toilet like normal???
And some people wonder how this could happen. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, folks.
So why doesn't their Gov educate their people?
Because the government is the people. They're no more educated than the rest, they've just risen to the top of the corruption pile they call government.
We spent years in Haiti as volunteer mission workers--most of the horrible problems that exist there now also existed before hurricanes, an earthquake, and cholera brought them to the attention of all of the world. Of course, the quake exacerbated Haiti's difficulties. However, most of the unsafe practices talked about in this and every other article are and have always been a common part of Haitian life.
Before the earthquake hit, only 12 percent of Haiti's population had piped, treated waterand only 17 percent had access to adequate sanitation, the CDC and PAHO said. Now the situation is worse.
And it will become worse still, and there is absolutely no reason for it. Pits away from the water sources could be dug for elimination purposes and hands washed under running water and most of this would have been avoided. Additionally, it isn't rocket science that water with raw waste floating in it is not for drinking.
This is sheer, willful ignorance and laziness, and whie I feel sorry for the children, the parents have responsibility for the welfare of their offspring. This has been common knowledge around the world for many decades, and while I realize that Haiti is a third world cesspool, I am also sure that at some point they have heard of basic cleanliness.
I realize that things are dismal there, but the other side of that is that they are normally. As many people who go through that little hellhole , I'm amazed that the entire population is not constantly ill with catastrophic illnesses.
The UN disease route is possible. I have worked with many UN security teams. They are often from underpriviledged areas of the world. They take these tours due to the fact that they themselves face disease and poverty in their own regions. The thought of making some money on a UN tour is a blessing to them. The real problem lies in the lack of medical testing and prevention that the UN gives it's teams. The UN is so strife with corruption that a large part of the support that is supposed to be sent to it's own employees is siphoned off. UN employees in the area I have been in are inadequately trained and have little or no information about the populace they are to help. In addition, some of them are criminals themselves, adding to the security problem and involved in drug dealing, prostitution and gun running.
Well then maybe tje drug dealing can pay to fix their problems.
let em die, burn the place down and start over. Just not with my tax dollar!
Just another sign of the end times. it's coming, are you ready?
Whatawe need to do is itroduce a sleeping aid that will just put these bottom feeders out of their misery,end of story and do the same with all the other infected around the world, at this rate there will never be enough food to feed them
The Rothschild s Communist UN. just got caught for the first time. And they call themselves peace keepers, while shooting and killing two people who threw rocks protesting the genocidal extermination of its people. It also seems that they where trying to take out Asian long ago too. The UN. is like invading aliens who claim to come in peace to win your trust and then when the time is right -- kill you! You people who are so uncaring got to be working for the US. Just keep taking in the kill-trails you're be alright. Besides, what goes around come around.
Why doesn't someone tell the Haitians this. THese people need to learn how to take care of themselves and start the recovery effort. Its going on two years since the quake and it seems like nothing has been done. Haitians shouldn't rely on other countries to provide the manpower, its there country and they should have the pride in knowing that they will bring their country back from mother nature. All you see are Haitians setting and standing around doing nothing. I do believe that there is plenty to do to like get rid of rubble and start rebuilding. Organizations are not doing the Haitians any favors by providing for them, they should organize the citizens in cleaning up and rebuilding.
It's been 10 months since the quake, not two years, but I agree with the rest of your comment. Haiti is like a child that never grew into a self-sufficient adult because Mommy and Daddy always did everything for them.
Mommy and Daddy always did everything TO them!
However, the obvious long running lack of any large scale infrastructure improvement begins to beg the question; Why can't these folks seem to begin to advance themselves whatsoever despite constant international assistance, earthquake notwithstanding?
More sad than words can describe.
notsojingo, the only thing other countries have done to Haiti is help them build their infrastructure. When the USMC occupied Haiti from 1915-1934, that's what they spent most of those 19 years doing. I could understand what you're saying if they'd gone in and destroyed the place, but they didn't. They built it up and after they left, the Haitians turned it right back into the @!$%#hole it was before. They have no one to blame but themselves.
During the Clinton administration, he lobbied for decreased import taxes to US exports of rice for Haiti. This greatly helped the rice growers in Arkansas, but nearly destroyed domestic rice production in Haiti. The US rice is lower quality, and cheaper than the domestic rice, so people bought it instead. The constant "giving" to people in need, rather than teaching people in need creates a large group of people unable to take care of themselves. The old saying"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, TEACH a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime", is so true. If the US wanted to help Haiti, they should have been teaching the population to care for themselves all along. Rebuilding the cities and feeding them obviously is not the solution. They need to enlist the locals to build the cities, TEACH them how to do it properly and provide food and bottled water to those who do. After the earthquake, the food lines were raided by young, healthy young men. They had no compassion for their own elderly, sick, and children. This cesspool of humans will not change until they are taught to care for themselves and then forced to do so.
Chronic and Deb,
Yes Haiti is highly incapable of doing for itself. And just throwing money at problems, or even doing for them, obviously does not change the cause of them. My point being that apparently no answers nor solutions shall ever take hold in Haiti if history is a teacher.
This is what is so sad. Wish I had some brilliant solution to propose, but alas, I do not. My brother in law has been missioning to Haiti for decades, and they are always glad for his handouts and efforts to help them, so preaching ain't it either. But God Bless him for his calling.
Googled your point Texana Deb: Seriously good point. Thank you for bringing the subject up. So we broke part of their economy. Although the swamp rice (the lower Haitian variety) was probably less quality than ours.
Haiti's economy has been in terrible shape longer than any of us have been alive, so it's ridiculous to think that their economy sucks because Clinton did his job as the American leader and protected domestic rice farmers.
I agree with your main point, though. Once the current crisis from the earthquake dies down, we should tell the Haitians that they're on their own.
Longer than our grandparents were alive!
The Haitians have plenty of gold and oil in their country. The digging won't start until the people of Haiti are killed off. That's the plan and always have been the plan -- MAN!
Sorry, I am even more sympathic than most and the idea that people who the UN is feeding and caring for rioting against the UN is disgusting-biting the hand that feeds you is what animals do-not people. Rioters in such an uncivilized place should probably be shot down in the streets if they begin to kill UN workers. Violence cannot be tolerated. Rioting just cannot be allowed to continue-or the UN could withdraw and leave the Haitians to their fate, since it appears the UN is no longer welcome. The UN should shut shop and go home and forget about that place. One should not go where one is not wanted. Why has none of the billions of dollars sent to aid Haiti not been used to build infrastructure? Why has it not been used to improve the lives of these people? Where is the money??Their leaders are still stealing all of that money? If so the leaders should go on trial for crimes against humanity and for being traitors to their own people. If the leaders are stealing the aid money, then the citizens should kill them themselves. They should be the target not the UN.
Haiti leadership and government/people need to find a way to allow outsider to help them for the epidemic cholera outbreak.
Or, it is going to be a disaster.
If there is ever any justifiable reason to forcibly take control of a country, this is it. The Haitian government is corrupt and inept . The fundamental question is where did the billions of dollars of aide go? I presume to many official government employees bank accounts in the Caribbean.
One blogger tends to blame the victims rather then the perpetrator. This is ridiculous argument! If you recall it was noted by the UN and other aide agencies after the devastating earthquake that the situation was dire and that an epidemic of water borne illness was inevitable unless the government took the necessary precautions to prevent what is happening now on the ground. Well the government of Haiti got exactly what was predicted. I hope they can sleep at night in their mansions on the hills when their fellow citizens will by dying in scores right benethe them.
Inept? Rather, expert at exploiting their situation and lining their pockets with absolute impunity.
Repeat after me:
Entitlement is the root of the vast majority, if in fact not all, of the world's problems.
You may have to dig to find it, but it's there. It's everywhere.