Funny that this study comes out at the same time as the full body scanners.

All of these so-called "studies" are by the government, funded by the government or government-involved in one way or another.

Sooooooo, when was the last time your government told you the truth?

These studies have been done long before scanner ever came in to being. The only new thing is the amount of radiation exposure from the scanning machines. We have become a nation of fat lazy whiner, It is much easier for every idiot, conspiracy junkie, anti-Government nut to run at the mouth, then to actually get up and go for a run.

phusi:

Speak for yourself.

.. and here comes the damage control.

come on sheeple, keep getting dangerous radiation cuz.. cuz .. well it's just negligible compared to what you get in your daily lives.

How about this.. the risk we face of a plane going down due to terrorism is probably trumped many many times over by the risk we face getting hit by lightning .. twice.. at the same place!

Let's remove ALL security and wait and see.. the ONLY incidents of any mention would originate from intelligence agent patsies or false flags.

Most fliers already know about the radiation at high altitudes and already know that the scan is not even something to write home about.

I think what is really bothering infrequent fliers is the image that they incorrectly think shows them naked and it does but only in the form of an alien monster not as a photo shoot. I think it is difficult for an uptight, modestly shy population, to separate out the difference of being naked and taking a picture that you put lipstick on for and those bad barely human images at airports. Time to grow up as picking false modesty over safety doesn't cut it when terrorists are actually using body bombs, have used them, and brag that their target is continuing to be bringing down planes.

We may only have 4 years to create our legacy. As for air safety, everyone knows you must crack the egg and whip it, before you cook it to make scrambled eggs. It's perfectly safe; we say so.

Have you purchased your health insurance plan yet? Our stimulus programs are creating health care professional groups in towns all over America, and unemployment is retracting as our GNP looks better each month.

Terrorists are the enemy; they are committed to dropping planes, exceeding airline maintenance issues and human error causes. We will see to it they receive the proper media coverage and justification. Remember to vote; thanks for the change.

That's nice. Now we can get a double dose of radiation when we fly.

Look at the bright side... Maybe it will make us safer?... Maybe it will kill a few cancer cells?... Maybe in 10 years we will all be glowing and can save money on electricity?... Maybe in 10 years we won't need heaters anymore?... Maybe we will have kids born with eyes in the front and back of their heads?... Or maybe global warming won't be such a big deal?

Happy Thanksgiving

This is so much baloney as justification and down playing a potential health risk. As "so what you are subjected to radiation anyway; so what if you are subjected to more radiation".

As all radiation is cumulative. IT DOES NOT GO AWAY.

Same reason we wore dosimeters and kept detailed records (life long records of cumulative exposure to radiation), instead of "film badges" (just detects radiation exposure).

Millimeter wave radiation is shorter in length than microwaves like used in microwave ovens. The shorter the wave the greater the penetration thru most objects.

Everyone's skin is not the same density or thickness, so much for the radiation "bouncing" off.

The way this works is irradiating you with an emitter and the collector creates the detailed image. The radiation from the emitter sends out a millimeter wave length of radiation that causes whatever is just below your clothes to be subject to radiation this radiation imparts it's energy to you (irradiation), causing your skin and materials under your clothes to vibrate at a different frequency, similar to how UV radiation damages skin cells and causes skin cancer and how microwave ovens work (high rate of molecular vibration caused by irradiation, vibration creating heat). The collector is tuned to receive this frequency (vibrations caused by irradiation). In the case of gama irradiation the short wave radiation goes completely thru your body destroying cells, like being shot by billions of speed of light miniature bullets. This is similar to how the scanners works, with a lower intensity radiation supposedly being used, realize that this cannot be 100% controlled (cost versus risk analysis). Anything "manmade" (or "womanmade") is never 100%.

Also with the TSA lying about the scanners not having recording capabilities as well as releasing photoshopped blurred images. As this technology has the capability to see a single hair on your arse as a previous selling point to buy this millimeter wave technology.

As mentioned before these procedures have been proven and known by the Terrorists (posted on the International Islamic Websites) as already defeated long ago (see date of link below):

Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml?tag=pop

Again the Terrorists (Islamic Believers) win. With cheap low tech defeating expensive high tech. As the Oil Rich Saudis did use the same type of scanners back then as currently bought by the TSA, a detailed "pat down", and still failed. The reason this old technology takes so long for the US to get is because US Procurement is based on Politics (Congressional Appropriations Committees, and who's State Manufactured at) versus what is the best available. Then there is the matter of "Lowest Bidder".

The history of the US Government saying how safe things are is not exactly "stellar". example: Cigarettes are safe (until the 20 century independent studies). US Automobiles (until Ralph Nader). CFLs (until other nations banned them due to mercury. These nations adopted LEDs instead.).

Excellent summary, and dead on. You made me think about the topic, and I have some suggestions for the amateurs at TSA playing "let's pretend" with airport security.

Every air traveler should have a dosimeter issued before the scan and collected after the flight- then keep a national exposure database against future health issues. Put an RFID tag in each dosimeter- so everyone entering and leaving the plane could be tallied and the data connected with the individual's records. I'm actually rather surprised they don't require them in the luggage tags and shipping labels on every article going into aircraft cargo bays- an RFID chip is quite cheap. Then at least the FAA would know where every piece originated if a plane went down under suspicious circumstances- and lost or misrouted luggage would become a thing of the past.

FeO2 Dreams - my concern about tagging or ending up wearing anything that is RFIDed (from firsthand experience) we used that technology to target or shadow certain "terrorists" (that is all I can disclose). This is why in certain circumstances we even remove the batteries from cell phones to completely disable all functions (reason why we cannot have cell phones that the batteries cannot be removed within seconds by the user or the cell phones that use capacitors to still work after the battery is removed). With the advances in technology finally being known to the US Civilian side, we were already boiling in water our clothes to kill the possible RFID tags or wearing disposable clothing, as this technology was used by all sides, not only the US (including potential hostiles).

I don't care if it has zero radiation, the TSA crotch-sniffers have no right to conduct virtual strip-searches or sexually molest people in the name of "safety".

We arrest people for less. Now the government sanctions it. People with no borderlines in their lives wilt at the "danger" they're now avoiding by watching Aunt Mabel's butt crack get searched. And willingly throw away anyone else's freedom so they can pretend the world is now a safer place.

The radiation is a valid issue, and I expect to see a myriad of these "hey, it's ok, if it wasn't we'd tell you" articles over the next few weeks.

@david-475776 - where have you been hiding all this time? I hope you re-post on every blog there is about these scanners and just how well guarded and fortified we are. So many people have been lulled by the illusion of safety - that the equipment itself is harmless and we are more secure because of their use. Total fallacy. There is story after story and post after post with people chiming in about how much safer we are. Sightless adherents chastizing those who dare to question the current practices citing we are jeopardizing their safety by not following the herd. Worse yet, some dolt foolishly posts that it is just about our modesty. There is post after post with the opposition asking the very question , "What if they were to put explosives in their ---? What abhorant conditions you be willing to submit to then?" Well, guess what kids, they already have - now what? Our government has spent 300 million for scanners that are outdated as paperweights.

I hope your post will help the blind to see.

Longhair Funny that this study comes out at the same time as the full body scanners.

Why? it's been common knowledge for years.

This has indeed been common knowledge for years. What has recently come out, though, is that the risk if being killed in a terrorist attack is also trumped, many times over, by the radiation you receive from flying. In other words, the precautions just aren't worth it.

The reasoning behind this article is so specious that it amounts to a lie. Radiation is cumulative. The premise of the article would be true ONLY if the use of a scanner eliminated at least two minutes of flight time! The people who were quoted were MD's with no knowledge of what they were talking about and the author is an idiot for parroting without thinking about it. Because the premise is so easily shown to be false, it falls immediately into the area of TSA propaganda. Purposefully misleading the public for its own purposes!

"You'd get as much radiation in a whole-body scanner as you'd get in two minutes at 30,000 feet."

I doubt this assessment especially because it came out at this moment when people were complaining about the TSA's policies. Sounds like just so much bull intended to get people to ignore the attack on their freedoms.

We know the scanners don't find bomb material.

We should follow Israel's successful tactics and verbally screen passengers who's behavior causes them to look suspicious.

The scanner may not find bomb material, but they sure as hell would find somebody as stupid as you. You wouldn't need a bomb up your ass to set off the 'stupid alarm'. Go back to reading your conspiracy novel and leave the rest of alone. You say you didn't know they had a 'stupid alarm' built in........just goes to show how stupid you really are!!!

That's right, the study is inaccurate and blown out of proportion...

The safety of the scanners is not a given by any means. I work with Physicists and our company works with various types of radiation. Here is the problem with the way the studies the government does are codified. They say one only gets "the amount" of radiation one gets in a plane, however, the differenceis that these devices concentrate that radiation on the skin of the victim. Skin is relatively likely to have mutant cells from exposure to any amont of radiation. So one getting exposed to non-specific radiation cannot be compared with radiation that is directed to ones surface ie skin.

Stop the propaganda war to make Obama look good and Cherthoff rich(er).

This amount of radiation is worrisome. That is why Scientists of various relevant disciplines from UC SF wrote a letter to Holder protesting the use of these devices.

Stop the propagand war! Man up you folks who are flying. Do not fear the disgusting handsy play. It is annoying but it won't kill you.

Going through the death ray machine just might and it will be a long slow and miserable death.

It's not that simple dumba$$. If the machine malfunctions, as xray machines often do, you can potentially be hit with a gazillion times the radiation. The companies selling these machines can't be trusted to put enough safeguards in them.

The odds of a high-radiation solar flare hitting your plane are probably lower.

AB-1981 and where did the gazillion come from, you just pulled it out of the AIR now, come on confess

The device will only work with low doses of radiation. If it were to malfunction (which it can't because it lacks the power source to do so) then the images would not be generated and the operators would see that right away. You should worry more about the tail rudder of the plane malfunctioning -that would be a bigger problem -from a health risk point of view. People who are upset about the scanners either lack the any sense of proportionality or are emotionally frail.

Thank you, Doctors and Physicists for your support and insight toward the cause.

Radiation and DNA cell structure study verifying the health benefits of EMF's should be out for Sunday's return flights.

If you need anything, the Wizard of Oz is behind the lead shield; he's shy. Don't worry, it's all safe. We say so.

RDH,

If the emitter side fails you will still get an image on the collector side. The difference being the amount of radiation you are subjected to.

The way this works is like a camera. The emitter side being the radiation source, and on a camera the ambient lighting being controlled by an iris and the duration being controlled by a shutter. The film on an old camera being the collector. On a digital camera that would be the lumen tube panel that is shut off after the image is collected (same way the scanner works, meaning if the emitter side fails, the image is still collected).

Show me one thing that is "Manmade" (or "Womanmade") that has never failed or broke.

The ignorance about this article is about Solar Flares, as if an aircraft (floating ground) is hit by one strong enough to impart the radiation indicated in the article, that aircraft would crash as all the minimally shielded digital electronics fail due to EMP/EMR. This would include all the electro mechanical controls. The other stupidity about the article is that there is a difference between the aircraft hull shielding the passengers (irradiated top of head, shoulders, top of legs) and 360 degree direct exposure to a radiation source.

Thank you, Doctors and Physicists for your support and insight toward the cause.

Yes, by all means, let's give the views of the uneducated more credence than those who are merely experts in the field. LOL

Creature Girl,

You are attempting to justify the unjustifiable. As so what if you keep increasing radiation exposure.

With Radiation being Cumulative.

Your argument is the same rationality that was used during the US, USSR, and Chinese "Safe" Above Ground Nuclear Weapons Testing.

As implied by my post#1.11. I have worked in the Nuclear Field. First as an Instructor Nuclear Physics (Weapons) and Nuclear Physiology. Then after further training in Biological (Epidemiology), Chemical (Weapons), Missiles, stationed with the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF). This was before I change jobs.

You want to talk about Conflicts of Interest. Research what your "Experts" conflicts of interest are.

With your "Experts" being the same as those that said: The US, USSR, and Chinese Above Ground Nuclear Weapons Testing was "Safe".

You are attempting to justify the unjustifiable. As so what if you keep increasing radiation exposure.

No, I'm attempting to inject some modicum of rationality to a discussion filled with the irrational bordering on hysterical.

Rational people don't throw the baby out with the bath water...as you just did with your reference to "your experts." If you think you can handle actually reading & responding to what I really said, please point out where I made mention of only certain experts such as those you think you're referring to.

Creature Girl - please point out where I made mention of only certain experts such as those you think you're referring to.

Creature Girl - Yes, by all means, let's give the views of the uneducated more credence than those who are merely experts in the field. LOL

Are you senile.

david-475776 The scanner is not like my camera that works in the visible spectrum and is designed to compensate for a large range of exposures, now is it. Over exposure with the scanner will not generate an appropriate image of surface contours. Its analogous to a 25 watt light bulb magically giving off 2,000 watts worth of light. Even it it were to happen, which it can't -it would be detected immediately.

Your other point about landing gear is well taken, except that its function is not complete with extension alone. You might be able to hand crank it down, but that doesn't mean that it won't malfunction when the rubber hits the road -so to speak.

mipak--Differently focal point on the radiation makes these much more dangerous than exposure to the same amount of random radiation. These machines a plainly dangerous. Ask the PhD's at University of California San Francisco who penned a lette to Holder. (see You Tube).

Enter the Death Ray Machine. It will help fulfill the dreams of some in this adminstration who have expressed a desire to reduce the size of the population to say--them!

Seriously, check out the recent comments verifying that death panels are actually in the bill and the spokesman was defending them basically saying that if we are serious about reducing the deficit that having death panels is essential--to--as Scrooge put it in Dicken's Christmas Carol--"Reduce the surplus population."

Just returned from a conference. Some of these devices are millimeter wave devices. Are you aware of the millimeter wave weapons currently developed for use on--yes that would be our ENEMIES?

Amen…. TSA, their crony security drips under pressure more than 50 miles from home with a leather briefcase… aka an eXpert … can just keep telling their eXpert opine… fantasies… just say it as it is their self serving bull stuff from the south end of a bull heading north….

Israel uses racial (ethnic) profiling and interiviews. I know because I went to Israel many times. And this is the best line of defence. But in our land of politically correct we are not allowed that. We pretend that all religions are religions of peace (ok, except Christianity and Judaism) and that there is not ethnic a religious group that is more responsible for terror thatn others. Untill, we stop lying to ourselves we will be subject to this stupidity and waste of money. When we admit who the enemy is then we will win.

I grew up in the USSR. They lyed to us and the world all the way to their destruction. Hope we can stop before that as we can learn from their example.

Barry,

There are only 2 international airports and 10 domestic airports in Israel. The number of screeners to be trained in that country would be small and could be trained and monitored to a high degree.

There are as many as 20,341 airports in the US, out of these 5221 are for public use and only 565 are certified airports.

Just for the 565 certified airports the number of TSA employees that would be required is large. Good luck trying to train that number to a high degree as seen in Israel with the tactics, techniques and procedures they use.

Like so many other things that work well in other countries, especially ones with small populations, they may not be applied very well in a country as large as ours with the population we have. I would also think that social, cultural, political, and historical differences matter when observing how things work in other countries and thinking about how these things could be implemented in the US.

Even so, Sean, there has to be something better than exposing billions of people to (cumulatively harmful) radiation. If you sit down and do the math, the likelihood of being killed by a terrorist attack is roughly equal to the likelihood of death from cancer caused by these 'security' devices.
I don't know about you, but I would rather die quickly in a high-speed plane crash than die slowly and painfully from cancer.

Chirpit-We can accomplish both death wishes for you, simultaneously. We have scanners, we have health care plans. Our first goal is to make air travel safe from the boogeyman. Please submit the $9 search fee, citizen. We believe cancer screening is the best prevention. Your premium payment is due soon. Please submit your $700 monthly fee, payable to US. Remember, save more by working harder; you need to fulfill your deductible ahead of these costly cancer treatments. Thank you, citizen. Move along.

Alex-you have no substantial proof that governments lie. Review the study created by US. Doctors everywhere believe irradiating people is safe, and good for the economy. Our studies also say Government is best for you, by an 9-to-1 margin.

Enjoy your downsized day, Citizen.

Sean-2769,

That type of arguement is not valid. As in proportion of the size and population of Israel. The proportion in the US would be less than Israel especially now with the current US Unemployment.

This is like I stated in post#1.11. This is all a matter of Politics and Procurement (especially Political Correctness).

As alex613 stated about Islam. 109 verses of the 114 verses as used by Modern Islam of the Holy Koran (Quran) Call ALL Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers" (the Unbelievers are also those "lesser" Islamic Believers (aka Heretics) since Islam is NOT a pick and choose "Belief" (not the limiting western term of "Religion)), included in the 109 verses is the Death Penalty for all Islamic Believers that do not participate in the Islamic War Against the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers". The Holy Koran (Quran) being the primary Islamic Law, followed by the Hadith Laws, Fiqh Laws, Sharia Laws, etc.. These Islamic Laws also require the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers to provide Mandatory Islamic Tithes to support the Islamic War. These Mandatory Islamic Tithes are normally collected at the Mosques, and if necessary taken by force (like here, Afghanistan, and many Nations I have lived at before) by the Islamic Law Enforcement (aka Death Squads) as organized, equipped, funded, by the Imams at the Mosques Worldwide. The Islamic Law Enforcement is also responsible for enforcing the Islamic Laws Worldwide, with Islamic Law superseding the Laws of all other Nations as example: Going after the Seattle woman, the pastor threatening to burn the Holy Koran (Quran), the Danish Cartoonist, Salmon Rushdie, the Lawyer that defended the Iranian Adulteress that fled to Norway, etc.. And the Islamic Law Enforcement will not stop until the Law (Death Penalty) is accomplished as the Holy Koran (Quran) also states "patience" (Non Islamic Law Enforcement cannot protect for Life, 24/7/356.25). The other thing being funded by the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide is the Islamic Military (aka Jihadists, Terrorists). And Islamic Believers cannot say anything about the Islamic Law Enforcement nor the Islamic Military, as "Doing Harm to Allah and His Prophet", the Death Penalty, just like anyone stating anything adverse about Islam (No such thing as Freedom of Speech, irregardless of Nationality, Country living at, or if you are an Islamic Believer or not. As for all Islamic Believers, Islam supersedes all other nations laws, politics, religions, beliefs, cultures, ways of life, etc.). The "liberal", "moderate", "peaceful" Islamic Believers are purged (killed off) by the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers, like at Somalia, Darfur, etc.. Anyone that collaborates with the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers" "Die a Horrible Murdering" in accordance with the Holy Koran (Quran) Sura 33, like what the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban did to the 1980s Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen (killing fields, mass graves, same magnitude as Cambodia, Vietnam). This is anticipated to occur again when the US Cuts And Runs again (History repeating).

The only way to stop the Holy Koran (Quran) Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers" is for ALL World Leaders, ALL UN Members, ALL 1.5 Islamic Believers, the World Population, to denounce the 109 verses of the 114 verses of the Holy Koran (Quran) and the Islamic Laws that further enforce the Holy Koran (Quran) Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers" as used today by Modern Islam.

Can't you read you idiot? Two minutes in the air is the same as going through the scanner and it is also cumulative.

You are right, totally agree with you.

I totally agree with you. You are a smart guy.

The X-ray machines are manufactured by a company that has lobbyists (legalized bribery). You can figure the rest out.

I wouldn't get too worked up over this. We get radiation continuously every day, from space from food, from our houses, from medical procedures, actually more living near a coal than a nuclear power plant, televisions, weapons test fallout, gas camping laterns, air your breath (radon), where you live (eg, CO), wrist watch, porcelan crowns, your smokes, etc. Our cells are suprisingly good at self repair (or self destruction). If you want to worry about something risky, how about talking on your cell phone while you drive? That's more likely to kill or maim you or others around you than walking onto an airplane.

We have Universal Health Care plans, and it will be a success for all Americans. We are here to see that happens. EMF exposure goes up, cancer rates increase. Cell phones are safe; our contributors at ATT and Verizon said so.

It's the carbon issue we have major concerns about. The pollution and greenhouse gases must be addressed quickly. Thank you for your prompt payments to US. Without you, we'd be poor and destitute. Welcome to the machine; $9 please.

John-370712,

You are attempting to justify the unjustifiable. As so what if you keep increasing radiation exposure. With Radiation being Cumulative.

As some of your examples are necessary others are voluntary radiation exposure. And some of your examples have zero radiation emissions.

Your argument is the same rationality that was used during the US, USSR, and Chinese "Safe" Above Ground Nuclear Weapons Testing.

As implied by my post#1.11. I have worked in the Nuclear Field. First as an Instructor Nuclear Physics (Weapons) and Nuclear Physiology. Then after further training in Biological (Epidemiology), Chemical (Weapons), Missiles, stattioned with the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF). This was before I change jobs.

Good point.

proamerica-1148973,

Or a few ounces crammed up the suicide terrorists arse. As known since 2009 to defeat the current scanners.

Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml?tag=pop

As the TSA will have to implement, "drop your pants, drop your underware, bend over, reach back and spread them cheeks". As the TSA agent has both hands on your shoulders (that is not his fingers checking you out).

This all has to end at the source. The Islamic Believers denouncing the Holy Koran (Quran) 109 verses of the 114 verses Calls To All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, "Unbelievers".

The other possible solution is like the scanner in the movie Total Recall, with Arnold running past in real time as a skeleton. Of course this would mean more possible radiation. This is possible as when I was having my shoulder worked on they looked at my shoulder and arm in real time (movements) on a computer LCD monitor.

my point exactly....don't forget to check cargo....

Ok kids, I as an RT I cannot dispense radiation to a patient without a doctors order and I have to have a degree in Radiology....How are the people who run these scanner machines doing this legally. They have no degree and have no education in radiation. They do not wear any film badges or any lead to protect themselves from the radiation they are recieving all day long. Also "Creature Girl" your children are at more risk than you. Their tissue is younger and therefore more susceptible to radiation. Also the lens of your eye is the most sensitive to radiation so I suggest if you are a frequent flyer close your eyes or wear at least some glasses if you have this scan.

Borderline Nazi? I'd say they've already moved into Poland.

I'm a 54 yr. old man. If I walked up to another man or a boy and proceeded to rub my hands over their body, where do you think I'd end up...after I had the crap beaten out of me? It's either that or making you walk into an oven...I'm mean a full body scanner and hitting you with "harmless" radiation. These actions taken to secure our "safety" are nothing but Nazi tactics. Yet Americans continue to allow these things to happen. I never use to be an alarmist but now I feel that one must become one in order to preserve what dignity we have left.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. You all sound like chicken little. If you don't want to fly, then don't fly. This is society where we constantly have to make trade-offs between the needs of the larger society and our individual needs. This is a trade-off I am willing to make to help make flying safer. Is this foolproof, of course it isn't. But this is how you do risk management, you identify potential threats and you put in place mechanisms/actions to try and counter those threats. There is no one magic bullet - despite those of you who say all we have to do is do better profiling (as much as I dislike profiling, I can deal with some level of that for air travel also). For a threat like terrorism, a broad mix of counter-measures is required - body scanners, beefed up screening of cargo, profiling of passengers, etc.

Flying is a privilege, not a right, so if you don't like what is being done to try and make air travel safer, then don't fly.

Maybe if they would actually tell us what these "threats" are it would make a difference. All they refer to is incidents that took place overseas...not in the US.

Sounds like the BS we hear every day from somebody else from Chicago.

Thoughtful Thinker in Chicago = baaah?

I'm sorry, but you took the wrong colored pill my friend...

Rob-2470805

Thank God... I'll give up my freedom for that. Go ahead and send me through the pornoscanner Mr. TSA man!

You obviously need better porn.

If you hate the scans so much why not advocate for passing out pistols for every passenger? That way we can each be responsible for our own security -- and you better stop looking at my peanuts mister!

Arlen Specter said we have magic bullets. Richard Daley also thinks so, thus you shouldn't have guns, citizen.

Thank you, Chicago thinker. Citizens like you encourage Change.

Flying is a privilege; pay US now for your privilege.

Wait'll the hackers get these porno-scanner pictures out, so we can play: Whose Wife is it, anyway?

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. You all sound like chicken little. If you don't want to fly, then don't fly...we constantly have to make trade-offs between the needs of the larger society and our individual needs...Is this foolproof, of course it isn't. But this is how you do risk management, you identify potential threats and you put in place mechanisms/actions to try and counter those threats. ...For a threat like terrorism, a broad mix of counter-measures is required - body scanners, beefed up screening of cargo, profiling of passengers, etc.

Exactly.

Ah the ever-compelling psychology of conspiracy theorem.

Conspiracy nuts crawl out of the woodwork whenever ignorance permits the manufacture of yet another irrational cause du jour for their rants.

Never mind their lack of a truly plausible purpose (profit to be gained) for the bulk of their imagined conspiracies. “It just is” suffices. Apparently the “evil others” are driven to pull something over on others just to prove they can...especially when the “evil others” are, as is usually the case, that strange, vaguely identifiable & singular-acting entity known as <shudder> The Government.

And, of course, any legitimate evidence dispelling the conspiracy is merely another piece of the conspiracy puzzle itself. LOL.

Or maybe, in this instance, the grand conspiracy's purpose is to allow airport employees to get their jollies off manhandling passengers & looking at weird naked images of unidentifiable people. Never mind that clear photos & even videos of naked people are available at the touch of a computer keyboard.

And, of course, the never-to-be-trusted “government” even paid for studies performed decades earlier on radiation risks from various sources including X-rays & high altitudes in preparation for a conspiracy to be engaged in decades in the future by whoever would make up “the government” at that time. “They” (those evil others) will stop at nothing to fool the public.

Sometimes I wonder how these people get through the day what with seeing conspiracies around every corner & under every rock.

Yes, CreatureGurl. Our successful studies paid for and sponsored by US state exactly what we wanted, in a non-biased scientific procedure sponsored by US.

3-mile island, chernobyl, union carbide bhopal all successful data ranges.

Alarmists, dissenters, conspirists...those Adams, Henry's, Franklin's and Jefferson's were such trouble-makers.

Thank you for your patronage, enjoy a banana. With love, United Fruit Co.

Rob-2470805 - The terrorists won't get us if we all have our internals examined by minimum wage rent a cops

That is part of the problem, eventhough, they are exposing everyone to radiation similar to x rays, they are not examining internally.

As the terrorists are already aware since prior to the implementation of the scanners , 2009, that they can cram explosives up their arse to defeat the scanners.

Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml?tag=pop

Also mentioned before (other Topics) the Terrorist and the Mexican Drug Lords are learning from each other. And the over 23 Million Illegal Aliens in the US are being forced to cooperate with the Terrorists by the Mexican Drug Lords or their relatives in Mexico die. With the Terrorists stated goal of defeating the US Government, and the Illegal Aliens stated goal of defeating US States to form Aztlan.

Yes, CreatureGurl...

Thank you for illustrating my point.

That is part of the problem, eventhough, they are exposing everyone to radiation similar to x rays, they are not examining internally.

Does the fact that someone can possibly get around a security measure mean that we should give up all security measures & just let whatever happens happen?

I don't think my kids would have survived to adulthood had I taken that position in regard to measures taken to help assure their safety while growing up.

Creature Girl - Does the fact that someone can possibly get around a security measure mean that we should give up all security measures & just let whatever happens happen?

No this means that you implement procedures that have been proven to work.

Not buy crap that is known not to work for the current and future threats, just because it would benefit someone (manufacturer) in a certain Congressional Representatives State. This was also the subject of other international news media sources.

You obviously need better porn.

LOL

No this means that you implement procedures that have been proven to work.

Not buy crap that is known not to work for the current and future threats, just because it would benefit someone (manufacturer) in a certain Congressional Representatives State. This was also the subject of other international news media sources.

LOL. All a big conspiracy. I see.

And apparently you would prefer that nothing new ever be tried least it prove not as good as it appeared to be in pre-release testing. I think that would have successfully stagnated man at the caveman stage.

"Known" not to work etc huh? Where is the evidence of this statement? If you're saying that there are ways around it, then we're back to what I said in the first place, the statement you said "no" to...where we use no methods at all because there will never be a method that is 100% successful.

Yes, CreatureGurl. Our successful studies paid for and sponsored by US state exactly what we wanted, in a non-biased scientific procedure sponsored by US.

That's Creature Girl to you.

Your reference to "successful studies" indicates a dire lack of knowledge into proper research protocols. Good research is not undertaken to prove a point. It's undertaken to determine whether or not a hypothesis, theory, etc. has merit. If a study is undertaken to prove a point or to be "successful" (whatever that means in this respect), it is not a legitimate study.

Creature Girl- LOL. All a big conspiracy. I see.

Nope. first hand experience. As Procurements that result in deaths.

Examples: Current US Military using 1960s short ranged designed Jungle Warfare M16s (350m) and M4s (250m) versus AKMs (800m), SVDs (1,600m), RPGs (800m), AK47s (650m). All being fired in the semi automatic mode for maximum accuracy. Think about what this means. We did that is why we use M21s/M25s not M16s/M4s.

F-22:

Congress to Military: Take More F-22s. We Insist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5161900-503544.html?tag=mncol;lst;1

Creature Girl - "Known" not to work etc huh? Where is the evidence of this statement?

Get of your butt and research the Assassination Attempt on the Chief of Saudi Arabian Intelligence (Counter Terrorism) over one year ago. Look at the date. I know their procedures firsthand after going to Saudi Arabia (why is none of your business).

Like I said before due to the Political interference with procurement the US does not get things on a timely basis. example on a routine basis those of us that are trained as Physicians Assistants use a very expensive real time x-ray device the size of a 17 inch laptop computer (two parts, emitter, collector/screen), we can get away with this because we are outside the US, otherwise we would have to call the X-Ray Tech.

In a pinch we also use this to perform EOD operations as soon as we rule out x-ray sensitive photo electric triggers (instead of just easily blowing up the bomb or IED we do this to determine who is building the bombs).

So much for your automatic dismissal attempts by labelling someone more knowledgeable based on experience and training, as a "Conspiracy".

@Creature Girl - yes, it is all just another conspiracy theory ....

"Rep. John J. Duncan Jr., former Chairman of the House Aviation Subcommittee and the current top Republican on the House Subcommittee on Highways and Transit, blasts TSA's invasive "pat downs" during a speech on the floor of the House of Representatives on November 17, 2010. Duncan also questions the role of lucrative government contracts in TSA's new naked body scanning machines."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5asshhOJGTs&NR=1

The libertarians want to roll back flying to the 60's. No search, either of person or baggage. A policy such as this would have to be accompanied by a release, signed by each passenger (or their guardian), absolving the carrier and/or the government of any responsibility should the aircraft be brought down by terrorism. In the event of a terrorist act and subsequent destruction of the aircraft which causes damage and loss of life on the ground, the passengers' families and estates would be sued for recovery of damages. The freedom to fly without restrictions in these times should necessarily come with a heavy burden should an individual violate that freedom.

This protest about body scanners is more libertarian tripe about your "rights" being trampled upon. You don't have a right to fly. The government has a right to protect American citizens and the airlines have a right to protect their personell and property from their passengers. Hence the invasive searches. Ether don't fly or submit to a scan or submit to a cavity search. Welcome to the New World order.

Exactly! I'm supposed to feel better now knowing that I'm exposed to radiation from more sources than I previously thought?

Exactly! I'm supposed to feel better now knowing that I'm exposed to radiation from more sources than I previously thought?

So it's all about making you "feel better" rather than making you better informed & better able to accurately assess risks?

Now I see the problem here.

And you'll loose less blood if you commit suicide by poisoning than if you shoot yourself !!!

Oh now there's a great example of a rational & accurate comparison. Some of you would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Sounds like the information makes you look like a fool, and you don't have the mental capacity to admit it -so you call it stupid.

Absolutely; our information, sources and studies are what is best for US, citizen.

Nevermind the Pilots Union going ballistic about added irradiation procedures. They tend to over-react every time there's a safety concern.

RDH,

can you say: baaaaa, baaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaa.

The Terrorists (Islamic Believers) eat sheep all the time.

Believe those that are paid directly or indirectly (US Government Grants, etc.) to do these Studies. There was another article about that.

Like fertpimp stated, but add the air crews also. Reason why the Pilots, Stewardesses, Stewards, Air Crews are exempt from the scanners and TSA feel ups.

Sounds like the information makes you look like a fool, and you don't have the mental capacity to admit it -so you call it stupid.

Only by understanding belief & its influence on perception combined with a willingness to put beliefs aside can one possibly hope to assign new information whatever merit it may or may not deserve.

What if I only take red-eye flights and fly at night ??

Good question - the normal background radiation you receive each day comes from several different sources (usually classified in 3 groups: man-made, cosmic, and terrestrial). Rule of thumb is the average person receives about 1 mrem of dose every day. This is a good measuring stick to use to put other forms of radiation into perspective. When you fly, you are exposing yourself to increased levels of cosmic radiation due to less attenuation/ scatter from the atmosphere. However, cosmic radiation is produced throughout the universe, and not just by the sun. In fact, some of the most energetic particles reach us from distances much greater than our own solar system. Thus, even though you may fly at night, the reduction in atmosphere above you opens you up to a higher dose than you would be receiving on the ground. Quantitatively you may gain some reduction by flying at night, but I doubt it'd be worth purposely making the switch.

Flying does open you up to more cosmic radiation than you'd normally be exposed to... but the increase is on the order or mrems or less (add .01 mrem if you are factoring in the scanners). Unless you are traveling often or have a specific radio-sensitive concern - you'll have nothing to worry about.

For what it's worth, just being physically close to another person causes you to be exposed to increased levels of radiation (at extremely low levels). Statistically I think I've seen sleeping next to another person at night equivalent to reducing your expected lifetime by several hours to 1 day.

Mark-iX,

You really need to explain that to Creature Girl at a level that Creature Girl can comprehend.

I understand you completely. You do have to mention that most of the cosmic rays are defeated by the Earth's Magnetosphere (something I really do not know how the NASA experts are going to duplicate if they Terraform Mars).

Statistically I think I've seen sleeping next to another person at night equivalent to reducing your expected lifetime by several hours to 1 day.

And the other "experts" saying that being married increases your life span. Guess we have got to go back to the practice of sleeping in separate beds as depicted in the 1950s to 1960s TV programs.

You really need to explain that to Creature Girl at a level that Creature Girl can comprehend.

Apparently it's you who needs to have things explained to them since there is absolutely nothing at all in the post to which you respondee so rudely that is at all at odds with anything I've said or even thought.

and the radiation is concentrated on the skin. If it's not so bad, why is the Pilot's Union against it.

Just a wild guess. <g> Maybe it has to do with the fact that they would be required to go through the scan every time they get on a plane which is pretty darn often their being pilots & all.

The reason that Constitutional law does not apply here is because you do not have to fly, period. They are not forcing you to fly, you can always opt out of flying altogether and they will not search you, nor scan you, etc. You waive your right to not be searched when you buy the plane ticket and show up at the airport. If you wish to retain that right, you simply don't buy the plane ticket or show up at the airport, which is generally private property anyway that happens to not belong to you and as such, they can require you to do anything they want in order to board their (not your) airplane. If you have your own private plane at your own private airport, then it's a different story.

Anilof; I would disagree, on principal if not point of law. And no, I am not a lawyer (wouldn't admit it in public if I was). Why can you not extend this point to driving, walking, healthcare, taxes, work, ad infinitum? Many things "we don't have to do". Seems this logic is just another free pass to ignore the Constitution in any aspect of our lives. This is "no big deal"? Everything the government does starts out as "no big deal". We accept infringement all too easily. And the amazing thing to me is that we are letting our supposed "employees" take it away.

If it is unconstitutional -then where is the court ruling? In light of people going on planes with bombs in their undies -it is just ridiculous to think that the courts are going to rule that going through the scanner is "unreasonable". The Constitution was not written by stupid people for stupid people. Stop claiming it's on your side when it is not.

Yes; thus we will stimulate the economy by implementing High-speed rail programs. We will Change the way Americans travel, create jobs, reduce emission and pollution. We need that train to Auschwitz, I mean Chicago.

The court ruling was mentioned by another poster.

The court case pertained directly to Interstate Travel, Trade and Commerce as a Right.

What IS being over looked is that the scans and pat downs ARE illegal. They are clearly un Constitutional. Write an article about the Constitutional aspect. Write about something real. Like the fact that any TSA agent that follows his instruction to search without first getting a warrant may be held personally liable.

There is nothing un-Constitutional about the scans or the pat downs. No one is forced to undergo either because no one is forced to fly.

law 101:
"...a RIGHT is defined as a power, privilege, faculty, or demand, inherent in one person and incident upon another. Generally defined as "powers of free action; something that you have the sovereign authority to do, because there is no higher authority to get permission from". -- Black's Law Dictionary

. . . . versus . . . .

"a PRIVILEGE is defined as "a particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens; a particular right, advantage, exemption, power, franchise, or immunity held by a person or class not generally possessed by others; a temporary authority granted to you by someone of a higher authority". -- Black's Law Dictionary

Cases:

"The constitutional right to travel from one State to another, and necessarily to use the highways and other instrumentalities of interstate commerce in doing so, occupies a position fundamental to the concept of our Federal Union. It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized.... Although there have been recurring differences in emphasis within the Court as to the source of the constitutional right of interstate travel, there is no need here to canvass those differences further. All have agreed that the right exists. " --U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966)

. . . . And . . . .

"The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

. . . . And . . . .

"It is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." -- Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969)

Now let's add:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." -- 4th Amendment to the Constitution

Supporting case law:
"Fourth Amendment protects the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures.' The essence of that protection is a prohibition against some modes of law enforcement because the cost of police intrusion into personal liberty is too high, even though the intrusion undoubtedly would result in an enormous boon to the public if the efficient apprehension of criminals were the sole criterion to be considered. 'The easiest course for [law enforcement] officials is not always one that our Constitution allows them to take.' Wolfish, 441 U.S. at 595 (Stevens, dissenting)." www.lectlaw.com/def/f081.htm

Now take a look at:

"Blanket searches are unreasonable, however 'evenhanded' they may be, in the traditional criminal law enforcement context. See, e.g., Ybarra v. Illinois, 444 U.S. 85, 91-2, 92 n.4 ('79) (invalidating a blanket patdown search of all patrons in a tavern, even though there was probable cause to search the bartender and the premises). The ill that the Fourth Amendment prevents is not merely the arbitrariness of police discretion to single out individuals for attention, but also the unwarranted domination and control of the citizenry through fear of baseless but 'evenhanded' general police searches." www.lectlaw.com/def/f081.htm

. . . . And . . . .

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, You may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." ~ Winston Churchill

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the Tranquility of servitude better than the Animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
~ Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776

---And anyone who says the US Patriot Act changed this - wrong - read it and understand it . . .

Please see above note about how airport security has nothing to do with the Constitution. Although I do agree with you that outside of the airport, our Constitutional rights are being stripped away, one by one, in the name of security or protecting us from our own actions. It's no wonder that the U.S. is rife with people who absolutely refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, hence all of the lawsuits that abound in our court systems.

Yeah, I read that. Must say I disagree with it. With respect.

William, just because your favorite party did not win the 2008 elections, it does not mean that everything that is done is a violation of the Constitution. The Constitution has a mechanism for establishing what is constitutional and what is not. If your constitutional rights are being violated then take it to court as the constitution requires and get your remedy, in other words you need to put up or shut up.

Scanners when you enter stores, backscatter vans "patrolling" the highways and truck weigh stations, scanners in schools.

No, citizen: it only looks like a news channel truck. Move along, its perfectly safe; nothing to be concerned about here.

How does one cop sitting on the side of the road, without radar, know which car has an expired registration and a ticket coming to them?

Thank you Backscatter!

RDH. "We" faired pretty well in the 2010 elections. Looking forward to 2012. Has to hurt a bit huh? Keep banging the drum of Socialism. We have no common ground. Never will. One of us will see total victory and one of us will see total loss. Emboldened by a socialist president your party became impatient, became too transparent, and awakened the "once silent" majority. Never to sleep again. I have a tremendous faith in true Americans. I have no faith in you. Wrong Country. Wrong time. Wrong Messiah. Wrong Ideology. Choke on your anger my friend. It is going to get a lot worse, for all of us, before it gets better. It that "puttin' up" enough my Delaware friend"

Hmmmn..my doctor had 8 years of training before he was LICENSED to touch me!

And those will be giving your naked ole self a bed bath in the nursing home will be permitteds to do so after a few short weeks of training. LOL. Just a bit of perspective on the situation. :)

It really doesn't require advanced education to perform a number of tasks that involve activities that would be viewed as invasive if not performed in the course of a professional activity.

So I along with many others have touted how much we enjoy the train ride fom DC to NY or visa versa. No security checks at all. Only stick your credit card in a kiosk and identify the destination and time and voila a ticket rolls forth so you head to the platform and wait for your turn to board. No removing anything. That now makes me think this is Obama's ploy to make everyone hate planes and request his high speed trains that no one wants!

Otherwise, based on AlQueda attacks world wide the major security employed on planes would be doubled on trains and busses. It's a joke!
The most recent bombings were in tains, buses and hotels minus the ridiculous "diaper bomber." His antics shouldn't be cause for us to be groped. Since he was already listed as AlQueda on the watch lists leave my crotch alone and read the darn lists will ya! Also, the bombs in cartridges for printers were not on board-they were in luggage as I understand it and whose scanning our luggage. I think that is a bigger threat than each person--

Take all Somalis, Middle Easterners and others of their ilk through the scanners(See the Somali today who was busted for wanting to blow up Portland's Christmas Tree lighting ceremony? Stop pretending we don't know who the enemy is. And don't mention Timothy Mcveigh.

There have been 17,000 acts of terror by Muslims and oneby Timmy boy.
That gives you 17,000 to one odds on being more likely to catch a terrorist by profiling the groups that have done the acts of terror.

Borrowing from another blogger. "If the elphants do the crime, don't search the alligators" It just makes sense to profile and we'd better do it now not later or there might not be a later.

"So many lose their life to fight for your freedoms, and you can't do your part at home."

So our men and women fighting for our freedoms are just wasting time and life fighting for our freedoms that we just willingly hand over? Gosh, that must be comforting as they're laying on a battlefield dying. "Instead of getting killed so far from (insert name of city or town) and my loved ones, I could have just stayed home 'cause Jemingo just rolled over and handed up his rights ". Yep. Very comforting.

jemingo:

What research did you do to verify your (1) claim above?

I do not mean parroting some heresay you heard from someone who is parroting heresay from someone else. I mean what facts do you actually have to prove your supposition?

Rob-exactly what freedoms are a small group of ex- sheepherders threatening?

Jemingo- From your list of facts:

1) Appears to be unsupported by any data, and is therefore a disputable point. While I don't worry a ton about the radiation from the scanners, I don't believe Government assertions without data and review. It seems likely that these scanners may not all be set the same, or maintained the same by tSA personnel. I based this conjecture on the fact that the X-Ray machines were never the same from airport to airport (sometimes they went off, and sometimes they didn't when presented with the same subject).

2. Security in other countries is variable. Some are easy, some are tough. I haven't been everywhere, have you? This appears to be another disputable statement, not a fact.

3. An intimate view of my person, or touching of my genitals/other areas by hand, without any reasonable suspicion or due process of law is illegal, and unconstitutional. I have the same rights as flight attendants, crew, Congress, and top government officials (who are all exempt). I have more rights than commerical cargo/packages (which are largely unscanned and almost never searched).

4. Just because I buy a ticket, for transportation with a corporation, does not give the Government the right to interfere and do whatever they deem "necessary" to me. Seems like a lot of people turn off their critical thinking skills when they are scared.

You are certainly correct that many have given their life for our freedoms (and rights) and way of life. Many more have served honorably, in defense of the same. I choose to honor that sacrifice by being a thinking, involved citizen, who also defends those rights when the government attempts to infringe on them regardless of the reason.

Our main point of difference appears to be that you believe being a good citizen means to do whatever the Government tells you. I believe being a good citizen means is to ensure that our Government obeys the US Constitution which limits what they can do, and confers upon them the legitimacy of being our Government.

yes, Jemingo. Dissenters are the enemy. We must quell and cull the enemy. They know not of what they speak, or think.

The King of England said so, Hitler said so, weapons of mass Destruction said so, Communism will cripple Asia...Believe US, we said so.

Have your child ready at 05:00 citizen. We owe the communists money, and they are threatening nuclear attack in South Korea. We must protect our interests.....in cash for the rich, with others' blood.

Jemingo--Your sources please.

You are way off from many I both know and have read who do not agree at all with your "facts." If your sources are US studies that conveniently say whatever the current regime needs them to say to get us to go like calves down the branding shoot to be branded then I would just remind you it was this government that told us that above ground testing of the BIG bomb was not harmful to people in Utah and Nevada. Tell that to the downwinders with cancer--particularly prevalent is leukemia.

Murray,

Agree with almost everything, but a good friend who is a member of Congress indicates that he is NOT exempt from the scan'r'pat routine at all.

Check on that one.

I've been working in radiology over 20 years, X-ray machines don't malfunction that way. That would be like you flipping the switch to the lights at home and instead of 115 volts you get 1000. Not going to happen!

THANK YOU!!!!! Apparently critical care RN's such as myself aren't adequately prepared to comment on such things. ;)

I thought the blatant disregard for documented opposite correlation was a little odd myself. It's one of those findings that all health/ medical physicists should have seen in their studies. Although... he isn't quoted in this section so it may just journalistic liberty taking over. That our he's completely operating off of the LNT model.

Sound Bytes and 15 second infomercials are what we expect; our citizens demand fast, easy digestible infomatics.

They need to get back to work now, to pay US. Please move along, citizen; do not dissect our information of safety. We know what's best for you.

Or just drop by Fox for tomorrow's think & speak script of the day.

You don't understand and you never will. Either because you do not want to or you want to use this to make some sort of political point.

Traveling freely is absolutely your right. Boarding a commercial aircraft is NOT a right.

Why are you not able to make that distinction?

If you are so convinced, buy a ticket, get screened, and sue the government for violating your 4th amendment rights. You will be first in line at the court house.

You buy the ticket. You enter into a contract. That contract includes your agreement to be searched and screened. You AGREE. Do you see the distinction? If you do NOT WANT TO AGREE, then don't buy the ticket.

My 8 year old daughter gets it, why can't you? Maybe because she doesn't watch Fox news. That's probably why.

The airline isn't doing the screening- the government is. My contract with the government is the US constitution.

Thanks for your rudeness, also

Apparently your daughter hasn't been taught that the Law of the Land here IS the Constitution, and NOTHING should abrogate it. If you do not want to face the reality that life is dangerous, stay home. I shouldn't have to be searched like a criminal to assure YOUR security; you are not worth it.

Your contract with the airline includes your agreement to abide by all state and federal regulations.

Continue your ignorance, fine with me. If you want to get on the same airplane as I am getting on you are going to be searched and screened. You do not get to speak for me. I do not get to speak for you. If you don't want to agree, go greyhound.

Enough said. I can't continue to argue with complete and total ignorance.

Moonbeam, you also want to remain ignorant. That is fine, nothing I can do about that.

The constitution is not written in stone. Although the constitution isn't even an issue here. You buy the ticket, you agree to be searched. If you do not want to agree, don't buy the ticket. There is no violation of your 4th amendment rights when you AGREE to be searched. How hard is that to understand???

As for the constitution: Is pornography legal? Why not? Can you yell "fire" in a crowded theater? No you cannot. Why not? The constitution is not an issue with airport screening period. If you understood the law, you would understand why.

I am done. You don't want to listen, that is your RIGHT.

We may side-step your Constitutional Rights by invoking the Patriot Act. We appreciate your young daughter's understanding and submission to US, as you've done a wonderful training procedure, Father of the Year.

Freedoms, Rights, and privileges are over-rated citizen, please see our newest comparative study showing that "Money and paying additional Taxes is Preferred to Rights, Privileges and Dignity." 9 out of 10 corporations and investors prefer Money over Rights. Sponsored by Change for US.

Most of you just do not get it.

You gave up your US Constitutional Rights, January 21, 2009. With the first Laws that President Obama proudly signed. The revised Patriot Acts (plural) that made Legal all those activities/actions considered ILLEGAL under Bush and Bush's Patriot Act (singular). This enables a TSA "Agent" with a few days of training to put you on the Homeland Security Terrorist Watch List and the TSA SSS, "No Fly List", for suspicion. Included in the President Obama Patriot Acts are the provisions of the defeated H.R.1955 and S.1959, also known as the George Orwell, 1984, Thought Crimes Laws, in that the verbal or written statements are the crime, not only the actions. example: "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist". To avoid prosecution under the President Obama Patriot Acts, that also legalized the monitoring and censorship of all US Communications, February 2009 many internet sites changed their formats to http//404, http//403, "Blocked in your Region", "Registration (with physical address verification) required to view Blocked materials", "Not available in your Region/Zone", etc. as mostly done to international news media. (recent example: Blocked from US. International News Media reporting that President Obama's Political Appointees (Eikenberry and Holbrooke) are scapegoating President Karzai as corrupt while they mismanage/redirect Billions of USDs of Aid to Afghanistan. (President Karzai requested investigations by General McKiernan and General McChrystal before they were fired by President Obama, Eikenberry and Holbrooke demanding President Obama fire them as opposed to Secretary of Defense Gates recommendation to retain them.).

Now how does the TSA (government) screening not infringe this clear cut right.

Because you don't understand this clear cut right. No one is forcing you to undergo anything. It's your option to fly or not to fly KNOWING that if you choose to do so, you are choosing to accept that you MIGHT be subject to a scan or pat down (your choice again) or return to your home where you will remain safe & securely protected against unwarranted searches. But still unprotected against those which are warranted.

If we have the right to fly, how come we have to pay for plane tickets? Obviously it should be free so poor people can exercise their rights. Orrrrr...maybe, just maybe, flying is not a right enumerated in the constitution. The right to travel freely just means the government can't confine you to your residence without a good reason, like being a parolee. It has nothing to do with the forms of travel.

You might have more going for you with the 4th ammendment thing, except that you already signed away your rights as soon as you buy the ticket. What bothers me a lot more than the airport security are the ZBV vans, where you don't even know if you're being scanned (btw, if you're so concerned about airport security violating your rights, I highly recommend not driving or living near any major road. Look it up.)

As long as I stand on US soil, no matter what method of transportation I elect to pay for, I am not to be searched or have anything seized from me as long as I not a criminal. It is the government doing the searching without probable cause. Our FBI can't even search yourcar or your home, let alone your crotch, without a probable cause and/or a warrant from a judge. If the government has probable cause to search me or mine--let them tell me what it is and I don't think flying to see my elderly mother with a suitcase full of clothing an presnts counts as cause of action against me.

See post#22.7

And they call climate change irrational fear mongering. LOL.

Why do we allow this? Maybe because we aren't all scientifically illiterate and know the difference between dangerous ionizing radiation and simple radio waves. Just because they are both called "radiation" doesn't mean that they are remotely the same in their biological effects. Radio waves are less energetic than visible light (also a section of the electromagnetic spectrum, ie radiation). X-ray photons are much more energetic than visible light. X-rays ionize tissue (strip electrons from atoms), radio waves do not. It is this difference which makes X-rays biologically harmful.

JohnCarter-428979 you can target things with radio waves at tuned frequencies to shatter metal, glass, bones, rupture blood vessels, etc.. Similar technology is used to predetonate hardwired (not radio nor cell phone) Command detonated IEDs.

With light, x rays, radio waves, etc. all being part of the same Electro Magnetic Spectrum.

You can't escape radiation. It is about as naturally occuring as you can get. The amount of radiation you get from all of those things you listed is a tiny fraction when compared to the sun and the ground. The largest single source that you are probably being exposed to right now at your seat is Potassium 40, which occurs naturally in regular potassium. So that banana your are eating or the 'healthy' sea salt you season your food with contains radioactive potassium. Go ahead and ponder that for awhile.

I know i'm risk even typing this near my computer, but i but only one life to give.

I confess the sea salt on the banana i just ate was fantastic!!! i'm calling a friend on my microwave cell phone to tell a friend as i'm turning on my radiation t.v. to peer into the abyss of endless ways to absorb my fair share of radiation bombarment. thank you OtherHand...USMC.