I kind of have mixed feelings on this. It's wonderful that more kids will be able to eat possibly all three meals throughout the day as there are so many children in this nation that go home from school and do not eat again until lunch is served the next day at school!
I do not like the level of control they are allowed though. I really don't.
Too bad your concern that children get enough to eat does not extend to cover the quality of what they are eating. People including children tend to be stupid and one of the important roles of government is to help stupid people make the right choices as in this case choosing the most healthy foods to eat. You may not like a parental level of control but it is the right thing and best thing for our children's health.
Though i disagree that the government is hear to make decisions for us because we are too stupid to arrive at the correct answer on our own. I do agree however that most Americans are ignorant to good nutrition. This bill will help get the children in this country off to the right start in food choices. Children who grow up eating healthier food tend to carry those habits into adulthood. It would also greatly benefit our country to lower the staggering numbers of obese children and adults. Not to mention this new bill would be nothing short of wonderful for the hungry children who attend our public schools. It makes me sad to hear that some of you are more concerned about money than about the welfare of the youth in our country whose parents don't feed them. Shame on you.
we should be concerned about money...if the country goes bankrupt.... Have you seen what is happening in Europe? Have you looked at our deficit? Have you seen the way Congress is spending all of our grandkinds into slavery with deficit spending? If the economy goes Tango Uniform, none of us will have to worry about obesity...starvation maybe, but not obesity.
Our country is already trillions of dollars in debt. Yeah our grand kids are in trouble, but depending on your age, so are we. Yet we still pay taxes, lets see those taxes go into saving some of the citizens of this country rather than into funding the war which is killing my generation.
Killing your generation? You are really kidding me... the casualties from this war are very small in comparison to others that we have fought. I know from personal experience the cost of this war, but saying this war is killing your generation is a HUGE over simplification and a total misrepresentation of the facts. If we don't do something about the Congress bankrupting this country, EVERYONE's generation will be affected.
cg, sorry dude did'nt mean to offend you, but your kinda pissin me off. I get it, your into politics... good for you. My point is not the war. My point had to do with the fact that our gov. tends to spend money (ridiculous amounts of it) on things that are NOT helping it's citizens. This bill happens to be right up my alley in terms of what i care most about, and that's the health and well being of the children in our nation, and the quality of food that is available to the people (no matter how poor). I think this bill is worth every penny. Nutrition is pretty much ignored, yet so important. Every single thing you put in your body has an effect on it. Children need to eat right so they're brains, and bodies can grow. They dont teach proper nutrition in school, nor do they practice it. In a country full of people shoving their faces with hamburgers, and sitting at a desk all day, nutrition has never been more important.
Why are you so bothered by your taxes helping hungry kids... they are our future you know. Feed them right now, and they may be able to come up with a solution to our debt in the future.
FYI by saying this war is killing my generation, i didn't mean literally all of us, i was trying to say.... there are better places to put our money, we waste billions on so many stupid things. This is not a wasteful way to spend taxes.
Also just so you know, pretty much any bill could bankrupt our country, and yes it would effect every generation, no @!$%#. Since i am only in my early twenties i'm probably more concerned about the future than you. Trust me dude, this bill wont make us bankrupt. If we can be trillions of dollars in dept, and still spending, then i highly doubt this bill will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I remember the school lunches we had. They were far healthier than what I hear of in schools today. Pizza, French fries and such were served perhaps once a month. I recall meatloaf that actually tasted good (better than home, even) mashed potatoes, hash browns (sometimes) sliced carrots, peas, beans, corn, baked chicken. There were no such things as vending machines either. I am not sure why they are in schools to start with. It seems to me that the school should be regulating that, not the government. If the schools are providing all the meals for a child, it is unlikely they need snacks.
This is another reason that our representatives need to take a hard look at where our tax dollars are being sent. I was taught to pay yourself first.
A major reason for vending machines in schools is to replace revenues lost when voters in local districts turned down tax increases or bond issues to fund schools. When this happened, schools still needed to fund school supplies, art, music, sports, etc., so the schools turned to Pepsi, Coke, Hershey, etc., which all provide fees to the schools for the privilege of placing their vending machines on the schools' campuses.
I remember when parents had to provide food for their own kids. Of course a very high percentage of parents are now victims (of one thing or another) so somebody else has to be taxed to feed their kids. And pay their rent. And pay for their health care. Etc.
This is classic congressional crap. First, they are taking one more step to take over raising children. Now their mama doesn't have to worry at all about feeding them and can use more of the welfare money for Night Train or other recreationals. Second, they apparently learned the public did not raise too much of a cry while they were siphoning most of the cash out of the Social Security fund, so they are now going to take money from a future food giveaway program. It will be interesting to see what happens when the food stamp denizens start getting ious.
The article is not reporting that the kids can take home a daily food bag for the family in addition to the three free squares every weekday at school. Its a wonderful world is it not.
I have 2 kids in school and am appalled at the choices for lunches at school. I pay about $175 a month for their lunches that are unhealthy. Unfortunately, I do not always have time to fix their lunch. If my son wants to take his lunch he has to carry it around all day class to class because the school does not have lockers. The food that is available everyday is junkfood. Every Friday is pizza and the other lunches tend to be hotdogs, hamburger, breaded chicken patties, nuggets etc. About once a month is there a lunch that one would consider a good lunch. The kicker was when I asked about why they served so much ketchup and found out it was considered a vegatable, (it has since been changed) I have talked to the cafeteria manager about the choices and her response was "All of the items offered for lunch are specially made so that they fit the nutrition guidelines" When my daughter was in kindergarten her school offered Chef salad about 3 times a week as an entree choice. They did so because it was the most popular thing that they served. Now the schools say that no one will eat it.
Here is my take on it. If we show the kids that it is acceptable to eat this junk everyday for every meal then that is what they will see as an acceptable choice for the food they eat. Remember when the lunch ladies COOKED. I loved school lunches when I was a kid. Those ladies could cook anything. Now most schools do not cook the food. it is trucked in from a central school that heats it up in the morning. Meanwhile, if I go to my kids school in the morning the lunch ladies are sitting around eating breakfast and waiting for lunch to start. When I was a kid the cafeteria in the morning smelled great from all the food being really cooked and you never saw a lunch lady sitting. Maybe we could go back to cooking the food, not just heating it up. I make healthy nutritous food for my family everyday and my kids love it. Healthy does not have to be bland and boring. This legislation is needed to guide the schools in what they should be serving and define what that is. This program will help both the kids that do and do not get free lunches. I personally would like to have my Friday pizza and a movie night back for the family.
Although this looks like a great bill on the surface, it is far from a good one for children or impoverished families. The funding for the extra oversight comes from the REDUCTION in the food stamp program so each family will actually get LESS food in the home as the reduction funds the nutrition oversight. It seems self defeating. Funding could have come from elsewhere- like the required replacement of computers in the House and Senate every two years whether they are needed or not (rather then just update the software) or reduction in the productions of the two engines for the ONE plane that Sec. Gates and others deem unnecessary but Congress voted it in (one of those job creating situations earmarked I am guessing) SO while this looks great, look closer. It actually reduced the amount of food stamps a family is eligible for.
I have to disagree with you. Just because there is a reduction in Food Stamps doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing. With the severe lack of control of what items can be bought with Food Stamps (i.e. Soda, candy, high-fat low nutrition chips, etc) the trade off for healthier food for the children seems not only fair but a smart idea.
And as a taxpayer, I too, am sure that my taxes will ultimately fund this. BUT because anyone of these children who are being given a chance at a balanced, nutritional meal could conceivably become a teacher, physician or the next Nobel Prize winner, it seems rather trite for me to squabble over a few extra dollars each month.
I suggest you search further- for example the Food Research Action Center's position on restoring those cuts in the food stamp program. Obviously you have not had to live on food stamps. Initially designed to be a supplemental food program, most FS households use the FS allocation as the entire family food budget. The bill does not disallow the items you note.
The "few dollars" not worth quibbling over to you is dinner for a FS family. FS or SNAP as it is now called is funded through the Dept of Ag as far as I know. Our tax dollars have always funded it. Under the current Congress, no new spending bill can occur without identifying a funding source. As I referenced in my post, there are many other programs that could have been cut to fund this without further impoverishing the FS family by cutting the allocation of benefits to the family.
"While additional important improvements to expand low-income children’s access to the child nutrition programs that the House Committee included in its bipartisan bill did not make it into the final bill, FRAC is pleased that the Administration has committed to addressing these gaps to the full extent that it can through administrative action." (Statement attributed to FRAC Pres Jim Weill.)
Read the FRAC website and related articles. If you go to the link there is a good summary of the bill. I would really encourage you to consider what a few dollars in FS benefits mean to a poverty stricken family and maybe you can make a more considerate statement next time.
Of course there are other programs that could have been cut. Likely there are hundreds, in fact. But your notion to suggest Congress reduce it's own programs is pure folly. They've already voted not give themselves a pay raise, why would they continue to cut further into their own benefits.
"Obviously you have not had to live on food stamps."
And your suggestion that I've never been a recipient of assistance only demonstrates your ignorance. Yes, my family has, in fact. I can share from experience that parents are left entirely to their own devices to make meal decisions for their family. And one does not need to search hard for news topics showcasing the poor-health trajectory of our children (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40338800/ns/health-diabetes/ ). In light of the fact that there is no form of controlling the nutrition factor of any SNAP recipient and the progression of obesity in our youth (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40096510/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/ ) it's not a stretch to assume some parents are not addressing proper heath in their children. There are ample studies and documentation to support this conclusion.
My point was that, yes, it is evident that some amount of government intervention is necessary to give children and teens a chance at a healthy lifestyle, as their parents have failed them in this regard-- hence the apparent nutrition bill sent by Congress. And this intervention does not take away benefits, it only shifts the formula to include the healthier meals the children are eating at school.
While it would be nice if we lived in a perfect world and there was no need for food stamps or nutrition mandates, but the reality is that we apparently require both.
That's all anyone every cares about. Until we ALL get out there and vote on things, push for what WE want, write letters and demand certain things - YOUR taxes go to whatever someone says they go to.
I forgot to include that the reduction punishes the entire family including siblings who may not be in school or involved in feeding programs. While the bill has so many good components, this reduction is not one of them. It benefits ALL school children by offering more nutritious food in school but the poorest of the poor are the ones who will pay for it for everyone. These are the families with the least resources and alternatives available to them.
For once the Government is getting it right and actually legislating "sanity" in mandating healthy options in school lunch and vending programs.
Childhood obesity is an epidemic in this country which is being allowed by special interests that support fast food and soft drink companies and their market share in the U.S.
It's about personal responsibility but unfortunately the costs of obesity and diabetes and their impact on health care costs far exceed the cost of this bill for generations to come.
People in this country need to wake up to fresh healthy options for their kids and stop the madness of obesity that imperils the future of our children.
It has been projected by multiple medical experts that our kids are the first generation that will live shorter lives than their parents. Shame on us all!
Socialism prevents hunger? hmm me thinks you are not a student of history. try checking out Stalin's Russia, Mao's China. Castro's Cuba. I think that if you really look at what happened in those places, you might see what happens when the government controls every aspect of your life.
I understand the need for "progress", but I have to ask what are we "progressing" to? I have a hunch I don't like the answer.
Schools shouldnt be providing free meals-- as far as the kids can see. Even if parents cant afford it on their own, kids need to see that their food comes from their parents and its a parent's job to provide for their kids-- even if there's extra food stamps behind the scenes to do it. Otherwise we're just teaching another generation to rely on some institution for support. Even if schools continue to serve lunches, the kids should see money coming from their parents (again, hidden subsidies if needed) and being associated with buying the lunch. Dont teach another generation of kids to be good little victims. Dignity and parental authority goes along way-- even if its fake.
Hey bs detector, are you seriously saying that we should let the children of poor families starve so that they can learn a lesson on who SHOULD be providing for them. You do understand some of these kids are children of alcoholics of abusers who really don't care about their kids. So by not feeding them at school because their parents don't care or cant afford it, you are only showing them they have no one else in the world. This will do nothing but produce cereal killers, or clinically insane adults. Do we really need that? is that really what you call progress?
How can we have obesity as a major problem with kids, yet they are starving? Sorry, but someone has to throw the BS flag on that play! You can't have it both ways...
When I was a kid in school, I came home for lunch, my mother made my lunch. When I came home after school, my mother made my dinner. There was no government involvement.
Why is it that parents today cannot do something so simple, without the government?
I find it quite ironic that this whole expanding waistline epidemic was caused by our own government and schools. Yes I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory but it isn't. If you wish to read an excellent source on the matter read Joel Spring's book The American School from Puritans to the Obama era (2010).
Our own government worked with schools to form an "American diet" this diet was somewhat bland in flavor and all processed foods. The reason? It was thought that the quicker the food digested in your stomach the better and if women were not in the kitchen cooking from scratch they would put more emphasis on schooling. Thus the American diet become an influx of processed foods.
Secondly school lunches began as a way of de-culturalizing the many of the immigrants coming into this country. The U.S. did not want any remnant of their former culture to exist and this included food. A way they saw fit do this was to have school lunches with foods that fit the "Americanized diet".
Now the fools we are we are trying to undo the past wrongs of the government and educational system. Maybe if we were to take an actual look at our past history we would realize the government should just keep its filthy paws off of everything!
I'm glad someone is finally paying attention to this issue. Our school lunch program is horrendous. How can we expect children to learn properly when they aren't fed properly? Try going to work and concentrating for eight hours after eating some of the stuff they serve for breakfast and lunch. It's pathetic how little money and attention we invest in the education of the kids in this country. Education is the way for us to stay on top in an innovation economy. Shorting our children nutritionally is simply putting them on a road to health problems and less-than-optimal jobs in the end. The food kids eat in this country is generally pretty horrendous. Let's support bills like this and start making a meaningful, positive difference in the health and education of our children.
Its the parents responsibility to feed their kids, not the school, not the government.
How hard is it to pack a lunch the night before for your kid?
Same for you people who live out of fast food joints and take out foods. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you eat Big Macs and fries. YOU and YOU alone control what you eat and don't eat. Nobody forces you to eat more calories in one setting than most folks eat in a week.
Its a sad day indeed when people are so stupid that they need the government to step in and play fat camp with them.
Yeah, because the unemployed are completely responsible for the rampant, unexpected job cuts happening all across America, the horrible economy, and increased cost of food.
To answer your question, kolynna, its not hard to pack a lunch the night before school, even if both parents have to work long hours to attempt at staying financially secure. It is, however, sometimes difficult to afford the food that goes into the lunch. And really, what kind of healthy meal can you pack into a paper bag and expect to still be edible after spending three or more hours in a locker? A cold sandwich and a granola bar? A meal packed with processed, packaged foods does in no way sound better then a school supplied hot meal. If we can put more funding towards enabling schools to improve upon those meals and make them healthier, how is that a bad thing exactly?
Also, when fast food and high-calorie processed foods are half the price of healthy and organic foods, can you really blame low-income, struggling families for buying it? I think not. Make healthy food as affordable as unhealthy, junk food and people will buy it. Keep its price up, and people are going to continue to skip over it.
In an ideal world people would be responsible for themselves and their children's well-being. But we obviously don't live in an ideal world, and sometimes the government has to step in to help its people out. Giving money to help feed hungry children is a good thing, and I can't possibly conceive someone thinking otherwise.
Processed foods have created a world of health problems that we never had before. Kid's raised on these foods may not end up fat, but they might end up with heart problems, colon cancer, or weak bones in the near future (like their twenties). Since we have recently change the way our country handles health care, how is it a surprise that such changes are being made to make a healthier nation. We need these things to happen because or society is increasingly sedentary. The less moveing you do the less calories you need. A diet that was fine for kids 30 years ago is now too many calories for today's kids. The problem is noone moves anymore, noone has to. Kid's entertainment and social lives are based around sitting on the couch. They dont even have to leave the house to play video games with their friends.
The truth is that our brains are hard wired to like fatty foods. Once upon a time this helped us survive, now it's making us fat. Children do not have well enough developed brains to make desisions while considering the consiquences. We adults need to tell them what the best choice is. I feel this is more parenting than socialism.
On the one hand, I think it's great that we're encouraging children to eat healthy and helping them do so.
On the other, I'm not sure we can afford to add $4.5 Billion/year of spending in a recession. Also, I'm not sure it's within the scope of the interstate commerce clause to regulate school bake sales.
I think this is really an area where parents and administrators should be trying to make a difference. If a school planted a garden in the front lawn, it would give kids something to do after school and might also help defray costs.
This bill and crap like this bill is why we are going broke. Fed regs for friggin bake sales? Are you kidding me? Veto this or I will switch partys this is insane.
For all the people whining about how bad school lunches are, and that the Federal Government needs to regulate every aspect of our lives to protect the children...School lunches are already controlled by the government! The public school system is the government! If you object to the food our children are recieving in the schools, become involved in the schools where you live! Run for the School Board if you have to! I am so tired of people whining about how schools are run, but never get off their lazy butts and go to school board meetings. All schools in this country are begging for community involvment. You don't have to be a parent to participate in your local schools. All you have to do is show up and help. Parent/Community groups have a voice in schools IF they speak up. The problem in this country is that people want to complain from their couches about how everything is run, but they never show up in person when decisions are being made. All public school documents, budgets, and regulations are PUBLIC INFORMATION. If you want to know how/why decisions are made for your local schools, you have to go to the district and ask, and keep asking until you get the answers.
School lunches should not be regulated by types of bread/crust or anything else for that matter. Both of my kids, as well as myself, have a whole wheat allergy. We get severe stomach cramps and constipation, something that does not happen as severely when we eat white flour. I understand that the whole wheat flour is better but what do we do with kids who are allergic? This bill is not just because children aren't eating at home; this bill is because there is a large number of overweight and obese children. My children happen thin and athletic, due to all the activities and sports they play. While I don't advocate having junk food and sodas in the school, not everything on the menu needs to be removed/altered. Children who watch what they eat and those who have allergies should not be punished because parents don't teach their children to eat properly, in terms of type of food and serving size. The government was not created to be surrogate parents for our children. When we have children, it is our responsibility to care for, food, and protect those children, not the governments. I find it funny that the government wants more control over what our kids eat yet won't do anything about the parents who don't care properly for their children. I know a woman whose 6 year old daughter had such a severe yeast infection (yes, yeast infection) that she needed to be hospitalized. Do you know what CPS did? Nothing!!! Yet, now the government wants more control over what food goes into my kids stomach. This is just out of hand. Control the patents who abuse/neglect their children and let the rest of us alone.
I kind of have mixed feelings on this. It's wonderful that more kids will be able to eat possibly all three meals throughout the day as there are so many children in this nation that go home from school and do not eat again until lunch is served the next day at school!
I do not like the level of control they are allowed though. I really don't.
Too bad your concern that children get enough to eat does not extend to cover the quality of what they are eating. People including children tend to be stupid and one of the important roles of government is to help stupid people make the right choices as in this case choosing the most healthy foods to eat. You may not like a parental level of control but it is the right thing and best thing for our children's health.
Though i disagree that the government is hear to make decisions for us because we are too stupid to arrive at the correct answer on our own. I do agree however that most Americans are ignorant to good nutrition. This bill will help get the children in this country off to the right start in food choices. Children who grow up eating healthier food tend to carry those habits into adulthood. It would also greatly benefit our country to lower the staggering numbers of obese children and adults. Not to mention this new bill would be nothing short of wonderful for the hungry children who attend our public schools. It makes me sad to hear that some of you are more concerned about money than about the welfare of the youth in our country whose parents don't feed them. Shame on you.
we should be concerned about money...if the country goes bankrupt.... Have you seen what is happening in Europe? Have you looked at our deficit? Have you seen the way Congress is spending all of our grandkinds into slavery with deficit spending? If the economy goes Tango Uniform, none of us will have to worry about obesity...starvation maybe, but not obesity.
Our country is already trillions of dollars in debt. Yeah our grand kids are in trouble, but depending on your age, so are we. Yet we still pay taxes, lets see those taxes go into saving some of the citizens of this country rather than into funding the war which is killing my generation.
Killing your generation? You are really kidding me... the casualties from this war are very small in comparison to others that we have fought. I know from personal experience the cost of this war, but saying this war is killing your generation is a HUGE over simplification and a total misrepresentation of the facts. If we don't do something about the Congress bankrupting this country, EVERYONE's generation will be affected.
cg, sorry dude did'nt mean to offend you, but your kinda pissin me off. I get it, your into politics... good for you. My point is not the war. My point had to do with the fact that our gov. tends to spend money (ridiculous amounts of it) on things that are NOT helping it's citizens. This bill happens to be right up my alley in terms of what i care most about, and that's the health and well being of the children in our nation, and the quality of food that is available to the people (no matter how poor). I think this bill is worth every penny. Nutrition is pretty much ignored, yet so important. Every single thing you put in your body has an effect on it. Children need to eat right so they're brains, and bodies can grow. They dont teach proper nutrition in school, nor do they practice it. In a country full of people shoving their faces with hamburgers, and sitting at a desk all day, nutrition has never been more important.
Why are you so bothered by your taxes helping hungry kids... they are our future you know. Feed them right now, and they may be able to come up with a solution to our debt in the future.
FYI by saying this war is killing my generation, i didn't mean literally all of us, i was trying to say.... there are better places to put our money, we waste billions on so many stupid things. This is not a wasteful way to spend taxes.
Also just so you know, pretty much any bill could bankrupt our country, and yes it would effect every generation, no @!$%#. Since i am only in my early twenties i'm probably more concerned about the future than you. Trust me dude, this bill wont make us bankrupt. If we can be trillions of dollars in dept, and still spending, then i highly doubt this bill will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I remember the school lunches we had. They were far healthier than what I hear of in schools today. Pizza, French fries and such were served perhaps once a month. I recall meatloaf that actually tasted good (better than home, even) mashed potatoes, hash browns (sometimes) sliced carrots, peas, beans, corn, baked chicken. There were no such things as vending machines either. I am not sure why they are in schools to start with. It seems to me that the school should be regulating that, not the government. If the schools are providing all the meals for a child, it is unlikely they need snacks.
This is another reason that our representatives need to take a hard look at where our tax dollars are being sent. I was taught to pay yourself first.
A major reason for vending machines in schools is to replace revenues lost when voters in local districts turned down tax increases or bond issues to fund schools. When this happened, schools still needed to fund school supplies, art, music, sports, etc., so the schools turned to Pepsi, Coke, Hershey, etc., which all provide fees to the schools for the privilege of placing their vending machines on the schools' campuses.
I remember when parents had to provide food for their own kids. Of course a very high percentage of parents are now victims (of one thing or another) so somebody else has to be taxed to feed their kids. And pay their rent. And pay for their health care. Etc.
BTW - are votes being bought here?
This is classic congressional crap. First, they are taking one more step to take over raising children. Now their mama doesn't have to worry at all about feeding them and can use more of the welfare money for Night Train or other recreationals. Second, they apparently learned the public did not raise too much of a cry while they were siphoning most of the cash out of the Social Security fund, so they are now going to take money from a future food giveaway program. It will be interesting to see what happens when the food stamp denizens start getting ious.
The article is not reporting that the kids can take home a daily food bag for the family in addition to the three free squares every weekday at school. Its a wonderful world is it not.
This is just wrong.
Why aren't the parents responsible for feeding their own kids?
Good point. If their parents can't afford to feed 'em, let 'em starve.
I have 2 kids in school and am appalled at the choices for lunches at school. I pay about $175 a month for their lunches that are unhealthy. Unfortunately, I do not always have time to fix their lunch. If my son wants to take his lunch he has to carry it around all day class to class because the school does not have lockers. The food that is available everyday is junkfood. Every Friday is pizza and the other lunches tend to be hotdogs, hamburger, breaded chicken patties, nuggets etc. About once a month is there a lunch that one would consider a good lunch. The kicker was when I asked about why they served so much ketchup and found out it was considered a vegatable, (it has since been changed) I have talked to the cafeteria manager about the choices and her response was "All of the items offered for lunch are specially made so that they fit the nutrition guidelines" When my daughter was in kindergarten her school offered Chef salad about 3 times a week as an entree choice. They did so because it was the most popular thing that they served. Now the schools say that no one will eat it.
Here is my take on it. If we show the kids that it is acceptable to eat this junk everyday for every meal then that is what they will see as an acceptable choice for the food they eat. Remember when the lunch ladies COOKED. I loved school lunches when I was a kid. Those ladies could cook anything. Now most schools do not cook the food. it is trucked in from a central school that heats it up in the morning. Meanwhile, if I go to my kids school in the morning the lunch ladies are sitting around eating breakfast and waiting for lunch to start. When I was a kid the cafeteria in the morning smelled great from all the food being really cooked and you never saw a lunch lady sitting. Maybe we could go back to cooking the food, not just heating it up. I make healthy nutritous food for my family everyday and my kids love it. Healthy does not have to be bland and boring. This legislation is needed to guide the schools in what they should be serving and define what that is. This program will help both the kids that do and do not get free lunches. I personally would like to have my Friday pizza and a movie night back for the family.
Although this looks like a great bill on the surface, it is far from a good one for children or impoverished families. The funding for the extra oversight comes from the REDUCTION in the food stamp program so each family will actually get LESS food in the home as the reduction funds the nutrition oversight. It seems self defeating. Funding could have come from elsewhere- like the required replacement of computers in the House and Senate every two years whether they are needed or not (rather then just update the software) or reduction in the productions of the two engines for the ONE plane that Sec. Gates and others deem unnecessary but Congress voted it in (one of those job creating situations earmarked I am guessing) SO while this looks great, look closer. It actually reduced the amount of food stamps a family is eligible for.
Kathy -
I have to disagree with you. Just because there is a
reduction in Food Stamps doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing. With the
severe lack of control of what items can be bought with Food Stamps (i.e. Soda,
candy, high-fat low nutrition chips, etc) the trade off for healthier food for
the children seems not only fair but a smart idea.
And as a taxpayer, I too, am sure that my taxes will
ultimately fund this. BUT because anyone of these children who are being given
a chance at a balanced, nutritional meal could conceivably become a teacher,
physician or the next Nobel Prize winner, it seems rather trite for me to squabble
over a few extra dollars each month.
I suggest you search further- for example the Food Research Action Center's position on restoring those cuts in the food stamp program. Obviously you have not had to live on food stamps. Initially designed to be a supplemental food program, most FS households use the FS allocation as the entire family food budget. The bill does not disallow the items you note.
The "few dollars" not worth quibbling over to you is dinner for a FS family. FS or SNAP as it is now called is funded through the Dept of Ag as far as I know. Our tax dollars have always funded it. Under the current Congress, no new spending bill can occur without identifying a funding source. As I referenced in my post, there are many other programs that could have been cut to fund this without further impoverishing the FS family by cutting the allocation of benefits to the family.
http://frac.org/frac-statement-on-house-passage-of-child-nutrition-bill/
"While additional important improvements to expand low-income children’s access to the child nutrition programs that the House Committee included in its bipartisan bill did not make it into the final bill, FRAC is pleased that the Administration has committed to addressing these gaps to the full extent that it can through administrative action." (Statement attributed to FRAC Pres Jim Weill.)
Read the FRAC website and related articles. If you go to the link there is a good summary of the bill. I would really encourage you to consider what a few dollars in FS benefits mean to a poverty stricken family and maybe you can make a more considerate statement next time.
Kathy-
Of course there are other programs that could have
been cut. Likely there are hundreds, in fact. But your notion to suggest
Congress reduce it's own programs is pure folly. They've already voted not give
themselves a pay raise, why would they continue to cut further into their own
benefits.
"Obviously you have not had to live on
food stamps."
And your suggestion that I've never been a recipient of
assistance only demonstrates your ignorance. Yes, my family has, in fact. I can
share from experience that parents are left entirely to their own devices to
make meal decisions for their family. And one does not need to search hard for news
topics showcasing the poor-health trajectory of our children
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40338800/ns/health-diabetes/ ). In light of the
fact that there is no form of controlling the nutrition factor of any SNAP
recipient and the progression of obesity in our youth
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40096510/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/ ) it's not
a stretch to assume some parents are not addressing proper heath in their
children. There are ample studies and documentation to support this conclusion.
My point was that, yes, it is evident that some amount of
government intervention is necessary to give children and teens a chance at a
healthy lifestyle, as their parents have failed them in this regard-- hence the
apparent nutrition bill sent by Congress. And this intervention does not take
away benefits, it only shifts the formula to include the healthier meals the
children are eating at school.
While it would be nice if we lived in a perfect world
and there was no need for food stamps or nutrition mandates, but the reality is
that we apparently require both.
whaa whaa whaa MY taxes, MY taxes.
That's all anyone every cares about. Until we ALL get out there and vote on things, push for what WE want, write letters and demand certain things - YOUR taxes go to whatever someone says they go to.
Check again Head hunter- it reduces benefits by $59 a month.
I forgot to include that the reduction punishes the entire family including siblings who may not be in school or involved in feeding programs. While the bill has so many good components, this reduction is not one of them. It benefits ALL school children by offering more nutritious food in school but the poorest of the poor are the ones who will pay for it for everyone. These are the families with the least resources and alternatives available to them.
For once the Government is getting it right and actually legislating "sanity" in mandating healthy options in school lunch and vending programs.
Childhood obesity is an epidemic in this country which is being allowed by special interests that support fast food and soft drink companies and their market share in the U.S.
It's about personal responsibility but unfortunately the costs of obesity and diabetes and their impact on health care costs far exceed the cost of this bill for generations to come.
People in this country need to wake up to fresh healthy options for their kids and stop the madness of obesity that imperils the future of our children.
It has been projected by multiple medical experts that our kids are the first generation that will live shorter lives than their parents. Shame on us all!
God forbid we should feed our kids.
Oh the evils of socialism, preventing us from having hungry children! It's our right!
Socialism prevents hunger? hmm me thinks you are not a student of history. try checking out Stalin's Russia, Mao's China. Castro's Cuba. I think that if you really look at what happened in those places, you might see what happens when the government controls every aspect of your life.
I understand the need for "progress", but I have to ask what are we "progressing" to? I have a hunch I don't like the answer.
Schools shouldnt be providing free meals-- as far as the kids can see. Even if parents cant afford it on their own, kids need to see that their food comes from their parents and its a parent's job to provide for their kids-- even if there's extra food stamps behind the scenes to do it. Otherwise we're just teaching another generation to rely on some institution for support. Even if schools continue to serve lunches, the kids should see money coming from their parents (again, hidden subsidies if needed) and being associated with buying the lunch. Dont teach another generation of kids to be good little victims. Dignity and parental authority goes along way-- even if its fake.
Hey bs detector, are you seriously saying that we should let the children of poor families starve so that they can learn a lesson on who SHOULD be providing for them. You do understand some of these kids are children of alcoholics of abusers who really don't care about their kids. So by not feeding them at school because their parents don't care or cant afford it, you are only showing them they have no one else in the world. This will do nothing but produce cereal killers, or clinically insane adults. Do we really need that? is that really what you call progress?
How can we have obesity as a major problem with kids, yet they are starving? Sorry, but someone has to throw the BS flag on that play! You can't have it both ways...
cg, you really need to find a hobby
When I was a kid in school, I came home for lunch, my mother made my lunch. When I came home after school, my mother made my dinner. There was no government involvement.
Why is it that parents today cannot do something so simple, without the government?
This is crazy.
I find it quite ironic that this whole expanding waistline epidemic was caused by our own government and schools. Yes I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory but it isn't. If you wish to read an excellent source on the matter read Joel Spring's book The American School from Puritans to the Obama era (2010).
Our own government worked with schools to form an "American diet" this diet was somewhat bland in flavor and all processed foods. The reason? It was thought that the quicker the food digested in your stomach the better and if women were not in the kitchen cooking from scratch they would put more emphasis on schooling. Thus the American diet become an influx of processed foods.
Secondly school lunches began as a way of de-culturalizing the many of the immigrants coming into this country. The U.S. did not want any remnant of their former culture to exist and this included food. A way they saw fit do this was to have school lunches with foods that fit the "Americanized diet".
Now the fools we are we are trying to undo the past wrongs of the government and educational system. Maybe if we were to take an actual look at our past history we would realize the government should just keep its filthy paws off of everything!
I'm glad someone is finally paying attention to this issue. Our school lunch program is horrendous. How can we expect children to learn properly when they aren't fed properly? Try going to work and concentrating for eight hours after eating some of the stuff they serve for breakfast and lunch. It's pathetic how little money and attention we invest in the education of the kids in this country. Education is the way for us to stay on top in an innovation economy. Shorting our children nutritionally is simply putting them on a road to health problems and less-than-optimal jobs in the end. The food kids eat in this country is generally pretty horrendous. Let's support bills like this and start making a meaningful, positive difference in the health and education of our children.
Rational, effective nutrition for fat loss and long-term health: http://www.NutritionPerfected.com/np-blog.html
how about handing our MRE's at school.....see how "hungry" the kids really are?
The kids i know would LOVE MRE's. They arnt even that bad, and actually pretty good for you compared to school lunches.
Its the parents responsibility to feed their kids, not the school, not the government.
How hard is it to pack a lunch the night before for your kid?
Same for you people who live out of fast food joints and take out foods. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you eat Big Macs and fries. YOU and YOU alone control what you eat and don't eat. Nobody forces you to eat more calories in one setting than most folks eat in a week.
Its a sad day indeed when people are so stupid that they need the government to step in and play fat camp with them.
And if the parents can't afford to pack a lunch, then they should have thought of that before they became unemployed.
Yeah, because the unemployed are completely responsible for the rampant, unexpected job cuts happening all across America, the horrible economy, and increased cost of food.
To answer your question, kolynna, its not hard to pack a lunch the night before school, even if both parents have to work long hours to attempt at staying financially secure. It is, however, sometimes difficult to afford the food that goes into the lunch. And really, what kind of healthy meal can you pack into a paper bag and expect to still be edible after spending three or more hours in a locker? A cold sandwich and a granola bar? A meal packed with processed, packaged foods does in no way sound better then a school supplied hot meal. If we can put more funding towards enabling schools to improve upon those meals and make them healthier, how is that a bad thing exactly?
Also, when fast food and high-calorie processed foods are half the price of healthy and organic foods, can you really blame low-income, struggling families for buying it? I think not. Make healthy food as affordable as unhealthy, junk food and people will buy it. Keep its price up, and people are going to continue to skip over it.
In an ideal world people would be responsible for themselves and their children's well-being. But we obviously don't live in an ideal world, and sometimes the government has to step in to help its people out. Giving money to help feed hungry children is a good thing, and I can't possibly conceive someone thinking otherwise.
Processed foods have created a world of health problems that we never had before. Kid's raised on these foods may not end up fat, but they might end up with heart problems, colon cancer, or weak bones in the near future (like their twenties). Since we have recently change the way our country handles health care, how is it a surprise that such changes are being made to make a healthier nation. We need these things to happen because or society is increasingly sedentary. The less moveing you do the less calories you need. A diet that was fine for kids 30 years ago is now too many calories for today's kids. The problem is noone moves anymore, noone has to. Kid's entertainment and social lives are based around sitting on the couch. They dont even have to leave the house to play video games with their friends.
The truth is that our brains are hard wired to like fatty foods. Once upon a time this helped us survive, now it's making us fat. Children do not have well enough developed brains to make desisions while considering the consiquences. We adults need to tell them what the best choice is. I feel this is more parenting than socialism.
Michelle Obama's campaign,,,?
Who is she to have a campaign?
Another $4.5 million? Spend..... Spend!!! SPEND!!!!
After school snacks and food? Why aren't they eating at home? Where is CPS when you need them?
How many of these millions are illegals?
On the one hand, I think it's great that we're encouraging children to eat healthy and helping them do so.
On the other, I'm not sure we can afford to add $4.5 Billion/year of spending in a recession. Also, I'm not sure it's within the scope of the interstate commerce clause to regulate school bake sales.
I think this is really an area where parents and administrators should be trying to make a difference. If a school planted a garden in the front lawn, it would give kids something to do after school and might also help defray costs.
If we would just let all these unemployed people starve to death things would be so much better for the rest of us.
This bill and crap like this bill is why we are going broke. Fed regs for friggin bake sales? Are you kidding me? Veto this or I will switch partys this is insane.
The real you can make it on your own easy in America- cut off welfare mentality:
Kevin-2763438
That is what you call a fat cat. I look at Oprah they pay her all that money to sit on a couch and talk with people.
!#309.7 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:24 AM EST.
Found at MSNBC story
'Framework for a bipartisan agreement' on tax cuts'
For all the people whining about how bad school lunches are, and that the
Federal Government needs to regulate every aspect of our lives to protect the children...School lunches are already controlled by the government! The public school system is the government! If you object to the food our children are recieving in the schools, become involved in the schools where you live! Run for the School Board if you have to! I am so tired of people whining about how schools are run, but never get off their lazy butts and go to school board meetings. All schools in this country are begging for community involvment. You don't have to be a parent to participate in your local schools. All you have to do is show up and help. Parent/Community groups have a voice in schools IF they speak up. The problem in this country is that people want to complain from their couches about how everything is run, but they never show up in person when decisions are being made. All public school documents, budgets, and regulations are PUBLIC INFORMATION. If you want to know how/why decisions are made for your local schools, you have to go to the district and ask, and keep asking until you get the answers.
School lunches should not be regulated by types of bread/crust or anything else for that matter. Both of my kids, as well as myself, have a whole wheat allergy. We get severe stomach cramps and constipation, something that does not happen as severely when we eat white flour. I understand that the whole wheat flour is better but what do we do with kids who are allergic? This bill is not just because children aren't eating at home; this bill is because there is a large number of overweight and obese children. My children happen thin and athletic, due to all the activities and sports they play. While I don't advocate having junk food and sodas in the school, not everything on the menu needs to be removed/altered. Children who watch what they eat and those who have allergies should not be punished because parents don't teach their children to eat properly, in terms of type of food and serving size. The government was not created to be surrogate parents for our children. When we have children, it is our responsibility to care for, food, and protect those children, not the governments. I find it funny that the government wants more control over what our kids eat yet won't do anything about the parents who don't care properly for their children. I know a woman whose 6 year old daughter had such a severe yeast infection (yes, yeast infection) that she needed to be hospitalized. Do you know what CPS did? Nothing!!! Yet, now the government wants more control over what food goes into my kids stomach. This is just out of hand. Control the patents who abuse/neglect their children and let the rest of us alone.