Wish the article had specified in what situations a beating heart could be retrieved. Someone is sure to shout "conspiracy" and proclaim that hearts are being retrieved from living donors.
They'll be growing you a new heart from your own tissue in a few short years, and of course without the problem of tissue rejection from donor organs. Livers, tracheas, bladders and more organs are now grown from your own stem cells. That's if you can wait long enough for the tissue to grow to maturity before you croak.
Point of information, ttmadison. Hearts are always harvested while beating and placed into a cold Igloo for transport. That pertains to the old fashioned method and this method as well. It's restarted after initial harvest. The only thing that changes is the recipient pool. So your zeal to inject politics and conspiracy into this technology is made-up and unfounded.
if this has been going on in Europe and proven, since 2006, what's there to experiment with?JUST DO IT AN D BE DONE WITH IT.if this saves more lives then never mind the buzzbee berkly baloney. again JUST DO IT!it's totally stupid to delay this.
What is amazing is that the box used for transporting the beating heart was developed by a US company, but the initial trials were done in Europe. You can thank the FDA for this. The rules over here are so antiquated and cumbersome that the US is falling behind the rest of the world. The excessive regulations and restrictions are pushing the high tech medical companies to leave the US for more favorable environs in Europe. It remains to be seen whether this method really improves the length of time that the heart is viable for transport or if it has a positive effect on the prognosis for transplant recipients. Hopefully the study being done will prove out the advantages of this new method and help alleviate the organ shortage.
maybe antiquated but just look at all the drugs approved only to later be pulled duue to deaths from side effects. as for the procedure saving lives, it hasnt been established that it works any better. just theory.
$787,000 + $200,000 for a non-reusable box, that's a million dollars. Also, the heart transplant is not a complete cure. The Lupus can attack the replacement heart and suppressing the immune system to prevent rejection increases the risk of infection and cancer. I wonder how many kids could have a years medical care for that much money?
I don't think doctors in the US will knowingly remove hearts from living donors, but to say there is no chance of criminal procurement is naive. In the movie Jurassic Park, it was said that, "life would find a way to survive." In real life, I would paraphrase that to be, "the rich will find a way to get their transplant."
You need to be careful in deciding who is worthy of medical care and who isn't. Compassion isn't subjective. The biggest problem I see, is the lack of tranferable organs. Thousands die each year waiting for a transplant of some kind or another. Please, sign your donor cards and let your family know your wishes. To give someone back their life, is a wonderful legacy to leave behind.
>>"the rich will find a way to get their transplant."<< As it should be.
1)Organs should go to the highest bidder, just like any other commodity.
2)Rules/laws against consensual sale of organs by either the donor and/or his or her estate, should be eliminated. Everyone else gets a payday from the operation, why should the supplier of the raw material be an exception? You want one of my kidneys for free, you say? You can kiss my ass for that.
First, as to the cost, that is what insurance SHOULD be for. Since the companies won't play ball (even when in some cases it would be CHEAPER) we all pay one way or another. And it's not like it's experimental surgery...it's been around since for almost 50 years, and the survival rates are getting better. How can you compare apples to oranges when it comes to medical care? Should we skimp on vaccines because we can save a few bucks further down the road?
What we should be doing is thinking outside the box like these people. If we can improve the process, or even better, find ways to replace our body parts when they do wear out can help the bottom line even better.
Prevention is the best cure by far...I do my best to keep from being a transplant candidate. But the fact is when you DO need a transplant, money shouldn't be a factor...if it is, then something is wrong with your health care and economic system (Think Arizona!).
the cost is a big concern. look at all the liver transplants that are on hepatitis patients who will only infect the new liver. and how many heart transplant patients go home and just start smoking again. millions of dollars which could be used to treat young children. an age limit should be placed on these procedures and a lot of health and psych questions asked. a lot of these are on tax payers dime.
I am not sure where some of you get your information. Media? Rumors? In any case not "anyone" can get a heart transplant. You do need to be healthy enough to maintain the organ. A transplant is a gift and you need to do right by the donor family. In order to get a transplant you under go multiple physical and mental tests. There is criteria to follow and if you are mentally unstable or too ill for transplant physically or mentally you can and will be denied.
Truly amazing procedure if this catches on. The cost will improve as it is performed more and the medical community catches on to improve the equipment used. I hope this becomes the norm in the near future to help save lives across the country and the world!
If this has equal or better results than the current procedures then it will become commonplace. Moden Medicine is amazing, just think how doctors would react if 100 years ago you told them they could give someone a new heart.
I got mine the old fashioned way (cooler) 4 years ago. The new method seems to provide a wider range of donors, but the cost is a bit much to add to the current expenses. If the cost can be reduced it would sure benefit the recovery teams so they don't have to fly in the worst weather because of time constraints.
This kind of procedure broadens the number of patients who can receive treatment. You just happened to be lucky that there was a donor who had a blood match 4 hours away. What if you didn't?
Nice of MSNBC to publish this, after its TV parent, NBC, did a hatchet job on the subject on one of the final episodes of "ER". That episode had the jet and the crew leaving the airport on another charter. When the docs returned with the heart, the jet was gone, so the docs boarded a charter with a rock band on board. They also had the front desk person at the charter company appear incredulous that the cooler contained a heart. Actually, everyone in the jet charter biz is aware of organ flights. Moreover, the jet and the crew never leaves without the docs. Those flights are usually pursuant to ongoing contracts with charter companies which either fly exclusively medical/ organ flights or for whom such flight represent a significant amount of business. "ER" really presented the dedicated flight crews in a bad light. The crews fly these missions on very short notice and usually in the middle of the night. Air traffic control deserves credit, too, for its expeditious handling, when feasible, of such Lifeguard flights. In fact, the flight plan is filed as a "Lifeguard", something that would not have been the case with the fictitious "ER" rock band charter.
While this is a nice advance, it is going to be pointless in the long run.
Once the Obama-Care bureaucrats finish hijacking the entire health care system, obtaining a donated organ will require 20 years worth of mindless paperwork filled out in triplicate and so forth.
In short, if you have heart issues now you can expect to die once Obama Care kicks in fully.
Obamawama care, bullsh-t. This country is so far behind in treating its citizens with respect and equality within the medical system, it's pathetic. Whining about reform! That's the true sign of the throw-back mentality.
You do realize that socialized medicine is one of the reasons they did the trials in Europe first, right? Try getting an American insurance company to pay a million dollars for an experiential treatment.
Why not put the whole thing to a national referendum? Have both parties draw up a plan and put it to a vote by the people? It should be the people who should have a say in their health care...after all, WE are the ones who in the end pay for it. I'd at least like to get a return on my investment!
It's a shame Europe and the Pacific Rim countries are now on the cutting edge, while we are getting left in the dust. If things don't improve in the next 2 years, I'd like to know how the powers that be explain themselves.
I agree with most of what your words suggest. How many people have died for want of an heart while so many hearts disappear into the grave? the biggest problem America has about the lack of available donors is the cost of making the transfer. That cost is huge because of the system we cling to about paying for the service. A single-payer system is so obviously the correct answer but we won't do that because ???.
As someone observed above, the trials were in Europe because they do have single-payer systems. America is falling so far behind in medicine but we let our misconstruction of patriotism continue to persuade us that if it's not American, it's not good.
I don't agree that it should be decided by a public referendum because most of us don't vote based on rational thinking, we vote based on what we've been indoctrinated to believe by the media, which is, unfortunately, mostly led by whoever is best at delivering press releases that fit into the short sound-bites that the media wants for scheduling purposes.
Same is true for what info we get from politicians - which ever political donors whose messages can best be fit into political rhetoric will get much of that politician's attention. And I'm not a Tea Bagger, though I would be if they had some organization and still made sense.
Sorry, didn't want this to wax political. We need medical care better than we get, we need the medical care most doctors want us to have. We won't get it as long as the medical system is controlled by financial interests.
If we have so many hearts going to the grave, why have we not built a viable mechanical heart that can be used, and let the person have some life, while they wait for a replacement? Heck, even having a usable mechanical heart while a heart is grown from stem cells would make sense.
I know we have some "bionic" hearts, but they are not perfected.
I think its inappropriate for anyone who hasn't had themselves or a loved one on a transplant list to make judgments about the cost to save a life. I have worked with organ recipients and know how blessed they feel to have another more time with their loved ones. Each person deserves the right to live and transplants are just one of the amazing ways that this can be done (for many age groups). While I agree that and additional 200,000 dollars is expensive it can allow the use of donated organs that were once too far away to get from becoming waste. Most advanced medical procedures begin as experimental and must prove themselves against the gold standard to become commonplace. Over time, the cost of these advanced procedures will go down.
yes and i bet you know people who have been murdered for their body parts as well. but hold on it doesn't does it. people are not killed for their body parts.
unlike you mr453, i neither smoke/drink beer/take drugs. sorry i will make it very simple for the simpleton you are 4 53.
let me make it clearer for you. I am sure that some of the people missLIeLA knows who have had transplants have been people who have received transplant from people who were murdered. does it make it clearer...goodie.
sorry people the accidental zillionaire is good is better at writing then little old me.
are you still throwing dice and how is 30.going to court still? i am sure tho, the 5 of the 3 is a good birthday to have
tell me Mr4 53 still listening into other peoples phone calls. i bet those telecommunication companies come in handy in making money??? and better yet how good they can be in BANKS
You're still putting out a pile of gobbly goop. Believe me I know first hand how organ transplants work. Many people made a VERY tough decision during one of the most horrible times in their lives to save the life of another person.
As a physician I want to applaud Anthony for his comment horrendously inappropriate state of affairs of our medical system. There is no such thing as Obamacare; what this country needs desperately is single-payer, government run medicine! France has the best medical system in the world and with good reason. They know what socially responsible care is and have provided it for their population. Americans are hopelessly behind in times and thinking when it comes to updating procedures and providing adequate health care for the population. Let's see who the first guy is to call me a communist since I came here from a communist country!
Why give yuyyiam such a hard time? He's only voicing the truth...our health care system sucks. We pay twice as much for health care (for industrialized countries) as compared to six other countries...Germany, Britian, the Netherlands, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Our rank? Dead last. Yes, DEAD LAST! We pay $7,290 per capita on average for health care. The Dutch? $3837. New Zealand only pays $2454.
If our system was so great, WHY are we paying TWICE AS MUCH for the same amount of care or less? I for one would like some answers...and facts to back them up!
The King of Saudi Arabia came here for treatment, not to France or any other country with socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is failing everywhere. If you want good care you have to come here, to the good old USA. Yep, we pay a lot, but that is thanks to our dear socialists in Congress who have added requirement upon requirement about who has to be insured and who has to pay for it, and when they did it the rates more than doubled for insurance and then health care in general. Get the government out of our health care.
I think this method offers a lot of potential. Why not harvest the hearts from criminals just before they are sent to the death chamber? You could have a recepient standing by patiently waiting for the heart. The match could be done days in advance and the organ would really be really "fresh!"
Whether they consent or not? Sounds fine on its own merit, but gives rise to the possibility---no, make that the high probability---of the most horrendous of abuses developing over time. Abuses such as are already rumored to be rampant in communist China. All donations MUST remain consensual, and with guys like you running around, I hold even more strongly to my view that the supplier of the "used organ" (I shall henceforth refrain from using the term "donor" or "donated organ") or his/her estate should be allowed to collect payment for the "raw material" off of which so many others are getting a payday.
You can't be an organ donor if you are a drug user,smoker, have aids,hepatitis,TB or syphilis. That that pretty much rules out death row folks as organ donors
It almost sounds as if people would trade a couple of bucks rather than truly save another persons life. In my mind that is the whole problem with the U.S state of medical affairs. It is all about the all mighty dollar. As a person who has had a transplant and who is not rich, but pays $18,000 for insurance to stay alive I'd say it is a small cost compared to the alternative. Hopefully none of you will have the reference of a transplant receipitent to decide of the cost is "worth it".
Yeah, we need the government to control everything. We give them all our money and they take care of us. They do so well with all the money we give them already, so they should get it all. We need to be just like France or Ireland or Greece. They are doing so well.
Why do we keep hearing about such great leaps, trends or procedures only to have words like "in Europe" or "since 19xx" following the information?
Don't we do things like this or are we so busy checking, investigating, rechecking and rechecking to actually put lifesaving procedures into practice? Our big government and overregulation will end up costing us lives, money and scientists as they go somewhere else to actually put things into use.
maybe you keep hearing it because, then you can use the "if other people have done it and gotten away with it, so can we". and if things can be covered up, who the hell cares how the procedures came to being..isnt that right Paul
Without a doubt this is another mile stone in medical success , and again we see a revalation from the source of it all. The one that started it all.....
I'm confused. They flew across the country, stopped the heart, cut it out, put it in a special box, started the heart, flew back across the country, stopped the heart, took it out of the box, put in the recipient and started it again. I think I would have just bought the donor a plane ticket.
Donors are usually already hooked up to full life support and for all intents and purposes beyond the reach of modern medicine to restore to health, thus they can be candidates to make such a donation. Cannot transport donors who are critically condition.
I like the short 7-14 day waiting list for those who travel to China and HongKong for transplants. This is achieved by harvesting the hearts, livers, kidneys, corneas, lungs and pancreas from prisoners on death row. Doctors and hospitals are modern, clean, technically excellent, take CASH and in the process help people and clear out jail cells. Think I'm kidding? It's called "medical tourism" and our office sees two or three coming back post-op every month.
Sico - What makes you think she's from anywhere other than the USA? My name sound to most Americans as though it were Hispanic. I stopped using it in these blogs because of so many xenophobic dolts' spiteful remarks focusing on how awful anyone is that doesn't have a respectable English, Welsh, Irish, Scot, German ... western European name.
My father's family name was known in Philadelphia almost three hundred years ago - and its origins are Catalan, tho I'm sure that stumps you.
By the way, are you a bit ashamed of your family name? Cheers.
Good questions---We are not doing the cutting edge of the research in US because of our litigious environment. If we ever have a chance at tort reform this should be addressed as well as putting more bite into our patent laws like Japan's system---of course I am being facetious since it would be the lawyers who will be given the task.
no, you arent probably doing CUTTING edge research because other countries can cover up things better than maybe they can in the US. After all who cares where the heart came from, whether the person was murdered. what the hell. after all if 5 people can benefit from 1 person dying. isnt it good that 5 people died and one person was murdered???
Amazing. Brilliant.
Hope the cost comes down significantly.
Wish the article had specified in what situations a beating heart could be retrieved. Someone is sure to shout "conspiracy" and proclaim that hearts are being retrieved from living donors.
They'll be growing you a new heart from your own tissue in a few short years, and of course without the problem of tissue rejection from donor organs. Livers, tracheas, bladders and more organs are now grown from your own stem cells. That's if you can wait long enough for the tissue to grow to maturity before you croak.
Point of information, ttmadison. Hearts are always harvested while beating and placed into a cold Igloo for transport. That pertains to the old fashioned method and this method as well. It's restarted after initial harvest. The only thing that changes is the recipient pool. So your zeal to inject politics and conspiracy into this technology is made-up and unfounded.
if this has been going on in Europe and proven, since 2006, what's there to experiment with?JUST DO IT AN D BE DONE WITH IT.if this saves more lives then never mind the buzzbee berkly baloney. again JUST DO IT!it's totally stupid to delay this.
What is amazing is that the box used for transporting the beating heart was developed by a US company, but the initial trials were done in Europe. You can thank the FDA for this. The rules over here are so antiquated and cumbersome that the US is falling behind the rest of the world. The excessive regulations and restrictions are pushing the high tech medical companies to leave the US for more favorable environs in Europe. It remains to be seen whether this method really improves the length of time that the heart is viable for transport or if it has a positive effect on the prognosis for transplant recipients. Hopefully the study being done will prove out the advantages of this new method and help alleviate the organ shortage.
maybe antiquated but just look at all the drugs approved only to later be pulled duue to deaths from side effects. as for the procedure saving lives, it hasnt been established that it works any better. just theory.
$787,000 + $200,000 for a non-reusable box, that's a million dollars. Also, the heart transplant is not a complete cure. The Lupus can attack the replacement heart and suppressing the immune system to prevent rejection increases the risk of infection and cancer. I wonder how many kids could have a years medical care for that much money?
I don't think doctors in the US will knowingly remove hearts from living donors, but to say there is no chance of criminal procurement is naive. In the movie Jurassic Park, it was said that, "life would find a way to survive." In real life, I would paraphrase that to be, "the rich will find a way to get their transplant."
Dale -
How do you know she is wealthy and since when did it become such a bad thing to be "rich?" It's time for little Dale to grow up.
it's not a bad thing, but it shouldn't come on the back of someone else; that's all he's saying. Nothing childish about that.
Dale,
You need to be careful in deciding who is worthy of medical care and who isn't. Compassion isn't subjective. The biggest problem I see, is the lack of tranferable organs. Thousands die each year waiting for a transplant of some kind or another. Please, sign your donor cards and let your family know your wishes. To give someone back their life, is a wonderful legacy to leave behind.
Just in the interest of accuracy, the box cost is $200K and ONLY the interior is not reusable. Still pretty spendy. Hope they do get the costs down.
>>"the rich will find a way to get their transplant."<< As it should be.
1)Organs should go to the highest bidder, just like any other commodity.
2)Rules/laws against consensual sale of organs by either the donor and/or his or her estate, should be eliminated. Everyone else gets a payday from the operation, why should the supplier of the raw material be an exception? You want one of my kidneys for free, you say? You can kiss my ass for that.
First, as to the cost, that is what insurance SHOULD be for. Since the companies won't play ball (even when in some cases it would be CHEAPER) we all pay one way or another. And it's not like it's experimental surgery...it's been around since for almost 50 years, and the survival rates are getting better. How can you compare apples to oranges when it comes to medical care? Should we skimp on vaccines because we can save a few bucks further down the road?
What we should be doing is thinking outside the box like these people. If we can improve the process, or even better, find ways to replace our body parts when they do wear out can help the bottom line even better.
Prevention is the best cure by far...I do my best to keep from being a transplant candidate. But the fact is when you DO need a transplant, money shouldn't be a factor...if it is, then something is wrong with your health care and economic system (Think Arizona!).
As demand goes up, someone will find a way to do this cost-effectively--that's one of the laws of economics. So stop bitching.
the cost is a big concern. look at all the liver transplants that are on hepatitis patients who will only infect the new liver. and how many heart transplant patients go home and just start smoking again. millions of dollars which could be used to treat young children. an age limit should be placed on these procedures and a lot of health and psych questions asked. a lot of these are on tax payers dime.
I am not sure where some of you get your information. Media? Rumors? In any case not "anyone" can get a heart transplant. You do need to be healthy enough to maintain the organ. A transplant is a gift and you need to do right by the donor family. In order to get a transplant you under go multiple physical and mental tests. There is criteria to follow and if you are mentally unstable or too ill for transplant physically or mentally you can and will be denied.
Truly amazing procedure if this catches on. The cost will improve as it is performed more and the medical community catches on to improve the equipment used. I hope this becomes the norm in the near future to help save lives across the country and the world!
If this has equal or better results than the current procedures then it will become commonplace. Moden Medicine is amazing, just think how doctors would react if 100 years ago you told them they could give someone a new heart.
I got mine the old fashioned way (cooler) 4 years ago. The new method seems to provide a wider range of donors, but the cost is a bit much to add to the current expenses. If the cost can be reduced it would sure benefit the recovery teams so they don't have to fly in the worst weather because of time constraints.
How much was your life worth? I guess you think it is worth less than a million dollars. That's sad.
This kind of procedure broadens the number of patients who can receive treatment. You just happened to be lucky that there was a donor who had a blood match 4 hours away. What if you didn't?
Nice of MSNBC to publish this, after its TV parent, NBC, did a hatchet job on the subject on one of the final episodes of "ER". That episode had the jet and the crew leaving the airport on another charter. When the docs returned with the heart, the jet was gone, so the docs boarded a charter with a rock band on board. They also had the front desk person at the charter company appear incredulous that the cooler contained a heart. Actually, everyone in the jet charter biz is aware of organ flights. Moreover, the jet and the crew never leaves without the docs. Those flights are usually pursuant to ongoing contracts with charter companies which either fly exclusively medical/ organ flights or for whom such flight represent a significant amount of business. "ER" really presented the dedicated flight crews in a bad light. The crews fly these missions on very short notice and usually in the middle of the night. Air traffic control deserves credit, too, for its expeditious handling, when feasible, of such Lifeguard flights. In fact, the flight plan is filed as a "Lifeguard", something that would not have been the case with the fictitious "ER" rock band charter.
It's a show, OK? Most people don't believe everything they see on TV or in the movies. :-)
Yea, it's a show. If half of what you saw on tv were true we'd either have no crime, or every city in America would have been blown up by now.
Kurt Cobain would be proud. WINK
While this is a nice advance, it is going to be pointless in the long run.
Once the Obama-Care bureaucrats finish hijacking the entire health care system, obtaining a donated organ will require 20 years worth of mindless paperwork filled out in triplicate and so forth.
In short, if you have heart issues now you can expect to die once Obama Care kicks in fully.
Obamawama care, bullsh-t. This country is so far behind in treating its citizens with respect and equality within the medical system, it's pathetic. Whining about reform! That's the true sign of the throw-back mentality.
You do realize that socialized medicine is one of the reasons they did the trials in Europe first, right? Try getting an American insurance company to pay a million dollars for an experiential treatment.
As opposed to Republicans hijacking it?
Why not put the whole thing to a national referendum? Have both parties draw up a plan and put it to a vote by the people? It should be the people who should have a say in their health care...after all, WE are the ones who in the end pay for it. I'd at least like to get a return on my investment!
It's a shame Europe and the Pacific Rim countries are now on the cutting edge, while we are getting left in the dust. If things don't improve in the next 2 years, I'd like to know how the powers that be explain themselves.
Mr. Saunders
I agree with most of what your words suggest. How many people have died for want of an heart while so many hearts disappear into the grave? the biggest problem America has about the lack of available donors is the cost of making the transfer. That cost is huge because of the system we cling to about paying for the service. A single-payer system is so obviously the correct answer but we won't do that because ???.
As someone observed above, the trials were in Europe because they do have single-payer systems. America is falling so far behind in medicine but we let our misconstruction of patriotism continue to persuade us that if it's not American, it's not good.
I don't agree that it should be decided by a public referendum because most of us don't vote based on rational thinking, we vote based on what we've been indoctrinated to believe by the media, which is, unfortunately, mostly led by whoever is best at delivering press releases that fit into the short sound-bites that the media wants for scheduling purposes.
Same is true for what info we get from politicians - which ever political donors whose messages can best be fit into political rhetoric will get much of that politician's attention. And I'm not a Tea Bagger, though I would be if they had some organization and still made sense.
Sorry, didn't want this to wax political. We need medical care better than we get, we need the medical care most doctors want us to have. We won't get it as long as the medical system is controlled by financial interests.
If we have so many hearts going to the grave, why have we not built a viable mechanical heart that can be used, and let the person have some life, while they wait for a replacement? Heck, even having a usable mechanical heart while a heart is grown from stem cells would make sense.
I know we have some "bionic" hearts, but they are not perfected.
I think its inappropriate for anyone who hasn't had themselves or a loved one on a transplant list to make judgments about the cost to save a life. I have worked with organ recipients and know how blessed they feel to have another more time with their loved ones. Each person deserves the right to live and transplants are just one of the amazing ways that this can be done (for many age groups). While I agree that and additional 200,000 dollars is expensive it can allow the use of donated organs that were once too far away to get from becoming waste. Most advanced medical procedures begin as experimental and must prove themselves against the gold standard to become commonplace. Over time, the cost of these advanced procedures will go down.
yes and i bet you know people who have been murdered for their body parts as well. but hold on it doesn't does it. people are not killed for their body parts.
Your post makes no sense. It's best not to post when your under the influence.
unlike you mr453, i neither smoke/drink beer/take drugs. sorry i will make it very simple for the simpleton you are 4 53.
let me make it clearer for you. I am sure that some of the people missLIeLA knows who have had transplants have been people who have received transplant from people who were murdered. does it make it clearer...goodie.
sorry people the accidental zillionaire is good is better at writing then little old me.
are you still throwing dice and how is 30.going to court still? i am sure tho, the 5 of the 3 is a good birthday to have
tell me Mr4 53 still listening into other peoples phone calls. i bet those telecommunication companies come in handy in making money??? and better yet how good they can be in BANKS
You're still putting out a pile of gobbly goop. Believe me I know first hand how organ transplants work. Many people made a VERY tough decision during one of the most horrible times in their lives to save the life of another person.
As a physician I want to applaud Anthony for his comment horrendously inappropriate state of affairs of our medical system. There is no such thing as Obamacare; what this country needs desperately is single-payer, government run medicine! France has the best medical system in the world and with good reason. They know what socially responsible care is and have provided it for their population. Americans are hopelessly behind in times and thinking when it comes to updating procedures and providing adequate health care for the population. Let's see who the first guy is to call me a communist since I came here from a communist country!
Yes, what this country needs desperately is single-payer medical system and not what our Congress and President has just approved.
Yuyyiam: You are a communist. Now that I've called you a communist, next I'll call you a taxi.
Yuyyiam:
Why do you practice here instead of France. You must have had a choice. Could it be because of the money you can earn here?
Government healthcare is not the answer in France or here. Too much bureaucracy already.
Why give yuyyiam such a hard time? He's only voicing the truth...our health care system sucks. We pay twice as much for health care (for industrialized countries) as compared to six other countries...Germany, Britian, the Netherlands, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Our rank? Dead last. Yes, DEAD LAST! We pay $7,290 per capita on average for health care. The Dutch? $3837. New Zealand only pays $2454.
If our system was so great, WHY are we paying TWICE AS MUCH for the same amount of care or less? I for one would like some answers...and facts to back them up!
And now, Mr. Saunders, after seeing this post, I'm real sure I agree with you.
The King of Saudi Arabia came here for treatment, not to France or any other country with socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is failing everywhere. If you want good care you have to come here, to the good old USA. Yep, we pay a lot, but that is thanks to our dear socialists in Congress who have added requirement upon requirement about who has to be insured and who has to pay for it, and when they did it the rates more than doubled for insurance and then health care in general. Get the government out of our health care.
Amen! to Anthony and Yuyyisam.
I think this method offers a lot of potential. Why not harvest the hearts from criminals just before they are sent to the death chamber?
You could have a recepient standing by patiently waiting for the heart. The match could be done days in advance and the organ would really be really "fresh!"
Whether they consent or not? Sounds fine on its own merit, but gives rise to the possibility---no, make that the high probability---of the most horrendous of abuses developing over time. Abuses such as are already rumored to be rampant in communist China. All donations MUST remain consensual, and with guys like you running around, I hold even more strongly to my view that the supplier of the "used organ" (I shall henceforth refrain from using the term "donor" or "donated organ") or his/her estate should be allowed to collect payment for the "raw material" off of which so many others are getting a payday.
You can't be an organ donor if you are a drug user,smoker, have aids,hepatitis,TB or syphilis. That that pretty much rules out death row folks as organ donors
It almost sounds as if people would trade a couple of bucks rather than truly save another persons life. In my mind that is the whole problem with the U.S state of medical affairs. It is all about the all mighty dollar. As a person who has had a transplant and who is not rich, but pays $18,000 for insurance to stay alive I'd say it is a small cost compared to the alternative. Hopefully none of you will have the reference of a transplant receipitent to decide of the cost is "worth it".
The first car was really expensive and was considered A Luxury . More probably this will happen with this box :)
The economy is what it is for two reasons. 1. the war did not last 3 years, and 2. it NOT cost 50 Billion Dollars.
And why was there the cease fire ? That Probably resulting in Osama's escape.
What in blazes are you talking about? You get ahold of some bad acid?
Yeah, we need the government to control everything. We give them all our money and they take care of us. They do so well with all the money we give them already, so they should get it all. We need to be just like France or Ireland or Greece. They are doing so well.
Why do we keep hearing about such great leaps, trends or procedures only to have words like "in Europe" or "since 19xx" following the information?
Don't we do things like this or are we so busy checking, investigating, rechecking and rechecking to actually put lifesaving procedures into practice? Our big government and overregulation will end up costing us lives, money and scientists as they go somewhere else to actually put things into use.
Well said.
I'm okay with other countries making advancements. We're special but we don't get to do everything.
maybe you keep hearing it because, then you can use the "if other people have done it and gotten away with it, so can we". and if things can be covered up, who the hell cares how the procedures came to being..isnt that right Paul
Without a doubt this is another mile stone in medical success , and again we see a revalation from the source of it all. The one that started it all.....
God Bless The Hands
America use to be the leader. Industrial giant, ahead of the curve nation.
What the Hell is happening here?
I need a prostate transplant. Anyone know where I can get a beating prostate?
I'm confused. They flew across the country, stopped the heart, cut it out, put it in a special box, started the heart, flew back across the country, stopped the heart, took it out of the box, put in the recipient and started it again. I think I would have just bought the donor a plane ticket.
andyman:
Donors are usually already hooked up to full life support and for all intents and purposes beyond the reach of modern medicine to restore to health, thus they can be candidates to make such a donation. Cannot transport donors who are critically condition.
It would cost too much to preserve and transport the donor.
It is scarey to me that some of you walk among us and probably look "normal" but have some of the craziest thoughts.
I like the short 7-14 day waiting list for those who travel to China and HongKong for transplants. This is achieved by harvesting the hearts, livers, kidneys, corneas, lungs and pancreas from prisoners on death row. Doctors and hospitals are modern, clean, technically excellent, take CASH and in the process help people and clear out jail cells. Think I'm kidding? It's called "medical tourism" and our office sees two or three coming back post-op every month.
Sico - What makes you think she's from anywhere other than the USA? My name sound to most Americans as though it were Hispanic. I stopped using it in these blogs because of so many xenophobic dolts' spiteful remarks focusing on how awful anyone is that doesn't have a respectable English, Welsh, Irish, Scot, German ... western European name.
My father's family name was known in Philadelphia almost three hundred years ago - and its origins are Catalan, tho I'm sure that stumps you.
By the way, are you a bit ashamed of your family name? Cheers.
To Paul L and Laos,
Good questions---We are not doing the cutting edge of the research in US because of our litigious environment. If we ever have a chance at tort reform this should be addressed as well as putting more bite into our patent laws like Japan's system---of course I am being facetious since it would be the lawyers who will be given the task.
no, you arent probably doing CUTTING edge research because other countries can cover up things better than maybe they can in the US. After all who cares where the heart came from, whether the person was murdered. what the hell. after all if 5 people can benefit from 1 person dying. isnt it good that 5 people died and one person was murdered???