It would seem that more rapid progress in identifying defective genes could be made by comparing the DNA of people who have been institutionalized as contrasted to people who have lived a long life and never been hospitalized for psychiatric problems. This could be especially helpful if healthy and unhealthy individuals were siblings having many genes in common. It might be assumed that siblings have many life stress factors in common also, if evidence suggests that.
My full sibling has been hospitalized numerous times for psychiatric disorders, but I'm perfectly mentally fit. No one else in our extended families has ever been hospitalized, either. We share both parents, and thus almost all the same genes.
Although some genetic factors we share have been shown in some small studies to contribute to depression (though I have never had it, and it's not the same gene described in this article), that does not explain all the other things wrong with my brother: OCD, paranoia, addiction, blackouts, rages, mania and tremors, and I've probably left some out. It's more likely that there are developmental factors at work in shaping the way his brain is wired, not just genetic.
The fact is that treating mental illnesses is difficult, because each patient presents and reacts to treatment differently. Identifying common causes in the genetics of mentally ill people would likely require identification of the specific way that multiple genes and environmental factors influence and react to each other, which is nearly impossible to do with any kind of scientific rigor.
My sibling has had several bouts of severe depression and a few hospitalizations. I have had none of this. When I get stressed, I go to the gym or find something constructive to do. My sib takes to the bottle and then neglects her kids. We have the same parents, we grew up in the same enviromental situation.
CJ: I agree. The genetic factor causing depression creates personal behaviors, both by the afflicted and those around them, that aggravate depression and the varous ways it manifest itself. Other environmental factors, community norms, public policies, and economic factors further complicate life for the individual with depression. Sorting all this out is extremely complicated and the longer one goes without effective treatment, the more complicated it becomes. Early diagnosis and treatment is key.
Can't see my depression improving regardless of the findings of these studies. Thankfully, that realization does not (further) depress me. And we continue.
Ha, that was my first reaction, as someone who has suffered severe clinical depression since before adolescence. But the therapeutic value is two-fold: 1.) it can help people suffering from depression to being to reinterpret their feelings - if there is a genetic/biological component then it's not something they did or responsible for, and 2.) it can point to gene therapies, chemical interventions etc. that might neutralize the underlying biochemical process.
These things are still only the beginning - often a life marred by depression has developed so many other concerns that will need to be addressed. But by removing the severe darkness that people with depression feel all the time, at least they might be in a better position to start improving their lives back to the point that other people take for granted.
Also, I can say that the one and ONLY thing that has ever truly helped me was acupuncture. I have tried medication, therapy, exercise, sex, sunlight, blah blah until I was blue in the face, but none of them truly transformed my situation. I found an acupuncturist that does REAL old-school Chinese acupuncture, NOT the "Traditional Chinese Medicine" junk that is just a watered-down version created by the Chinese communists as part of their "cultural revolution" to eliminate anything that might make China look backwards in the eyes of "modern" people. If you can find an acupuncturist that was trained in the real old-school methods, I highly recommend it. But avoid the TCM people, they mean well and might help somewhat, but you will get a much better result with someone trained in the older methods.
How this helps is to prove to the ignorant masses that depresiion is biological so that people with depression aren't any longer psycho-socially mistreated.
It may also lead to better treatment and/or a cure.
There are plenty of people who believe that certain things are genetic, and people who have those genes should be descriminated against because they are polluting the gene pool.
People will find any excuse to justify their prejudices; genetics is certainly one.
I took one of those DNA tests. It showed that my ancestors originated in Afric, migrated through Iraq and Iran, moved on the Spain and France and finally on to England. What's amazing is that I don't have the slightest inclination to go on welfare, eat cheese or rice and beans or srew a goat. I also hate warm beer. So much for genetics!
Good article. The finding represents good science. Although empirical data (family histories, etc.) have shown the likely genetic link to clinical depression, this kind of specific physical finding provides greater scientific support for the link. And, perhaps more importantly, possible new therapies for treating depression.
It would seem that more rapid progress in identifying defective genes could be made by comparing the DNA of people who have been institutionalized as contrasted to people who have lived a long life and never been hospitalized for psychiatric problems. This could be especially helpful if healthy and unhealthy individuals were siblings having many genes in common. It might be assumed that siblings have many life stress factors in common also, if evidence suggests that.
You say that like it's so easy.
My full sibling has been hospitalized numerous times for psychiatric disorders, but I'm perfectly mentally fit. No one else in our extended families has ever been hospitalized, either. We share both parents, and thus almost all the same genes.
Although some genetic factors we share have been shown in some small studies to contribute to depression (though I have never had it, and it's not the same gene described in this article), that does not explain all the other things wrong with my brother: OCD, paranoia, addiction, blackouts, rages, mania and tremors, and I've probably left some out. It's more likely that there are developmental factors at work in shaping the way his brain is wired, not just genetic.
The fact is that treating mental illnesses is difficult, because each patient presents and reacts to treatment differently. Identifying common causes in the genetics of mentally ill people would likely require identification of the specific way that multiple genes and environmental factors influence and react to each other, which is nearly impossible to do with any kind of scientific rigor.
My sibling has had several bouts of severe depression and a few hospitalizations. I have had none of this. When I get stressed, I go to the gym or find something constructive to do. My sib takes to the bottle and then neglects her kids. We have the same parents, we grew up in the same enviromental situation.
What gives???
CJ: I agree. The genetic factor causing depression creates personal behaviors, both by the afflicted and those around them, that aggravate depression and the varous ways it manifest itself. Other environmental factors, community norms, public policies, and economic factors further complicate life for the individual with depression. Sorting all this out is extremely complicated and the longer one goes without effective treatment, the more complicated it becomes. Early diagnosis and treatment is key.
Can't see my depression improving regardless of the findings of these studies. Thankfully, that realization does not (further) depress me. And we continue.
Drug makers can use this to make better drugs.
Ha, that was my first reaction, as someone who has suffered severe clinical depression since before adolescence. But the therapeutic value is two-fold: 1.) it can help people suffering from depression to being to reinterpret their feelings - if there is a genetic/biological component then it's not something they did or responsible for, and 2.) it can point to gene therapies, chemical interventions etc. that might neutralize the underlying biochemical process.
These things are still only the beginning - often a life marred by depression has developed so many other concerns that will need to be addressed. But by removing the severe darkness that people with depression feel all the time, at least they might be in a better position to start improving their lives back to the point that other people take for granted.
Also, I can say that the one and ONLY thing that has ever truly helped me was acupuncture. I have tried medication, therapy, exercise, sex, sunlight, blah blah until I was blue in the face, but none of them truly transformed my situation. I found an acupuncturist that does REAL old-school Chinese acupuncture, NOT the "Traditional Chinese Medicine" junk that is just a watered-down version created by the Chinese communists as part of their "cultural revolution" to eliminate anything that might make China look backwards in the eyes of "modern" people. If you can find an acupuncturist that was trained in the real old-school methods, I highly recommend it. But avoid the TCM people, they mean well and might help somewhat, but you will get a much better result with someone trained in the older methods.
How this helps is to prove to the ignorant masses that depresiion is biological so that people with depression aren't any longer psycho-socially mistreated.
It may also lead to better treatment and/or a cure.
There are plenty of people who believe that certain things are genetic, and people who have those genes should be descriminated against because they are polluting the gene pool.
People will find any excuse to justify their prejudices; genetics is certainly one.
This is a useful tool. Before getting married I would suggest a gene test. Don't marry anyone with 5-HTTLPR! See CJ you were right!
I took one of those DNA tests. It showed that my ancestors originated in Afric, migrated through Iraq and Iran, moved on the Spain and France and finally on to England. What's amazing is that I don't have the slightest inclination to go on welfare, eat cheese or rice and beans or srew a goat. I also hate warm beer. So much for genetics!
No. The study only applies to human genetics - your off the hook.
Good article. The finding represents good science. Although empirical data (family histories, etc.) have shown the likely genetic link to clinical depression, this kind of specific physical finding provides greater scientific support for the link. And, perhaps more importantly, possible new therapies for treating depression.