Breastfed my youngest daughter until she was 17 months old. Did not do well in school, did very poorly on any type of tests, did not like school because she did not do well on tests.
Breastfed my son for 7 months. Identical behavior of youngest daughter except he dropped out of school it was so bad.
Breastfed my oldest daughter for 3 months. She excelled at everything. Staight A student, teacher's pet, etc.
How does that prove the study wrong? That's like saying because I have one uncle that smokes and hasn't died yet that cigarettes can't possibly cause cancer.
As for your analysis, wrong. You would have to have more than one, two, or even three uncles who smoke who haven't died from cancer YET to prove that study wrong. Additionally, that is no longer a study because there is significant proof that it is fact...Smoking causes Cancer!
Wow, I adore people with zero understanding of stats. The study says "tends to" not "will." You can certainly have people who don't follow the results of any study.
It's not fair to link a child's academic success solely to how they were fed as infants. It's just one factor - like discipline or having a stable, loving, supportive household. The story did concede that having higher income parents was linked to longer nursing. Higher income = more resources for education early on among other things.
If 2/3 of your children did that poorly in school, I would be looking at factors beyond their early nutrition for an explanation.
Did look into it. Oldest daughter took after mom's genealogy and had natural academic abilities and intelligence. Two youngest took after dad's genealogy and had natural un-academic abilities and semi-average intelligence. Dad has ADHD, very poor reading comprehension, and was very poor student. Mom has above average intelligence, very good reading comprehension, no ADHD and was excellent student.
In the end it all goes back to geneology and what you may or may not inherit from your family lineage.
My West Virginain buddy says this study is full of crap. He has been breast feeding from his 14 year old niece, and her test scores haven't gone up one damn point.
I'm all for breastfeeding.. my wife breastfed our daughter til she was 2... but since I'm an analytical guy I have to question the real reason for higher test scores.
I can tell you that it was easy for my wife to breastfeed so long because she was always home and really loved spending time with our daughter.
The lifestyle of the parents and how much time they spend playing & teaching their children is likely to have a huge impact on test scores as well.
Is it possible that many mothers that take the time to breastfeed are actually stay at home mothers that are also very involved with their children?
Just a thought... the fact is that there are so many variables to consider.
Research/Studies are nice and fine but we all know there is always another study that seems to conflict with it.
Ok.. time for coffee: Is it good or bad for me? I guess it depends on who you ask :)
JON-B --- Good points. I bet the breast feeding results would not be same if one group was breast fed by the natural mother and the other group was breast fed by a professional nurser.
As a working mom who breastfed her children for 9 months, I take offense at the statement
"Is it possible that many mothers that take the time to breastfeed are actually stay at home mothers that are also very involved with their children?"
My working allows both my husband AND I to be involved with our kids, camping, hiking, biking, Scouting, church youth group, coaching sports and other activities. And they both test out in the top 5th percentile on national standardized testing.
That said, I breastfed not to make my kids smarter, but because it is the way our bodies are designed to function. And I found it a whole lot easier at 2 am. However, there's a whole generation out there that was primarily formula fed - and with less optimal formulas than we have today - that have managed to form close bonds with their parents and succeed in life. Oh yeah - I would be one of them.
You mean doing something natural and raising your children actually benefits them? Wow, what a concept!
So calling the "babysitter" (which is code for plugging in the TV, Xbox and a bowl of Cheetoh's to keep them busy) isn't a substitute for being a fcucking parent?
First of all, not everyone can breastfeed. So saying it is my responsibility as a parent is ridiculous. Secondly, I was adopted and not breast fed...top of my class, two bachelors and test at a genius IQ. My best friend, not breast fed...top of her class, PhD from Harvard, law degree from NYU. The writer of the article says socioeconomic status was not taken into account. I am also willing to bet they also didn't ask how many children were in the house and if both parents worked or one stayed home. Did the kids who did poorly have a good teacher or bad teacher? There are too many outside factors for this to be a valid conclusion.
Yeah I don't really trust studies like these. Unless they know exactly how the kid would have turned out NOT being breastfed, they really don't know if coincidentally the kid was just more intelligent or worked harder.
It is true - you can't do a true double blind study on something as involved as child rearing. People also have to realize that studies like this only work across huge population. You're always going to have plenty of examples that don't fit the pattern. Group statistics break down when applied to a population that is too small. For example, there are studies that indicate that breast feeding may reduce a woman's risk of breast cancer. Immediately everyone jumps out of the woodwork with examples of women who breast fed and still developed breast cancer. They don't get that the study doesn't say "if you breastfeed you won't develop breast cancer" - what they say is that "looking at thousands of women, the rate of certain breast cancers is considerably lower among those who breastfed at least 6 months". Still an unfortunate number of women developing breast cancer - but anything that reduces the total is progress. Same here - in your family, your mileage may vary, but when looking at large populations a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT change is seen (I shouted that because statistically significant may actually seem pretty small to the general public).
OK for all of you who don't like the study, isn't it possible that using the food nature provides for one to rear it's young is the best food for optimal development?
This coming from a mom who breastfed both her children well over a year each, both of which were bright, happy and healthy, oh, and my son just happened to excel in math, ( his field in college as well)... and yes I was a stay at home mother who read to my kids all the time.
I don't disagree with you. Have 2 sons doing exceptionally well in school. Both breast fed, and the wife was a stay at home mom.
Ya MSNBC shredded 300 pages of what was probably much better science into a 10 paragraph Readers Digest version. Without additional information it's hard to determine what the root cause of the elevated test scores was. Even if it's not the direct result of breastmilk, it's a good place to start.
The study simply confirms what should be common sense. Better nutrition results in a better outcome for the child. Humans after-all, like all mammals, were selected (evolved) to drink their mother's milk. However, what is also not present in the study and is very lacking in the previous posts is that it is a study of the average results. It is the average breast milk versus the average imitation human milk (aka formula) with the "average" child. The results, although measurable, are really rather small. Individuals must make their own choices and not feel guilty if they choose a formula. Similarly, breast feeding should not be stigmatized either.
I think breast-feeding is the best thing you can do for your child. Breastfed children are less likely to be obese and they have strong immune systems. And now we see that it can benefit them academically.
I understand that some women cannot breastfeed due to work or not making milk, but I find them women who don't want to breastfeed due to selfish reasons shouldn't even be parents! If you are so worried about the shape of your breasts or if your husband thinks it's gross...you shouldn't have children! Get a dog!
And anyone who thinks that breastfeeding is gross should think about what breasts are REALLY for...they aren't playthings for men...they are to feed a child. That is the real reason women have breasts!!!!!!
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Breastfed my youngest daughter until she was 17 months old. Did not do well in school, did very poorly on any type of tests, did not like school because she did not do well on tests.
Breastfed my son for 7 months. Identical behavior of youngest daughter except he dropped out of school it was so bad.
Breastfed my oldest daughter for 3 months. She excelled at everything. Staight A student, teacher's pet, etc.
Back to the drawing board on this one folks.
How does that prove the study wrong? That's like saying because I have one uncle that smokes and hasn't died yet that cigarettes can't possibly cause cancer.
Okay. You don't like the word wrong.
Inconclusive, Inconclusive, Inconclusive.
There, feel better now?
As for your analysis, wrong. You would have to have more than one, two, or even three uncles who smoke who haven't died from cancer YET to prove that study wrong. Additionally, that is no longer a study because there is significant proof that it is fact...Smoking causes Cancer!
I agree with your anecdotal evidence.
My step daughter was breastfead. Struggles to achieve a D on tests. She will probably end up working at a fast food place after high school.
I was bottle feed like many babies in the 1970's. I have both bachelors and masters degrees.
This study does not prove squat.
Wow, I adore people with zero understanding of stats. The study says "tends to" not "will." You can certainly have people who don't follow the results of any study.
It's not fair to link a child's academic success solely to how they were fed as infants. It's just one factor - like discipline or having a stable, loving, supportive household. The story did concede that having higher income parents was linked to longer nursing. Higher income = more resources for education early on among other things.
If 2/3 of your children did that poorly in school, I would be looking at factors beyond their early nutrition for an explanation.
Did look into it. Oldest daughter took after mom's genealogy and had natural academic abilities and intelligence. Two youngest took after dad's genealogy and had natural un-academic abilities and semi-average intelligence. Dad has ADHD, very poor reading comprehension, and was very poor student. Mom has above average intelligence, very good reading comprehension, no ADHD and was excellent student.
In the end it all goes back to geneology and what you may or may not inherit from your family lineage.
My West Virginain buddy says this study is full of crap. He has been breast feeding from his 14 year old niece, and her test scores haven't gone up one damn point.
I'm all for breastfeeding.. my wife breastfed our daughter til she was 2... but since I'm an analytical guy I have to question the real reason for higher test scores.
I can tell you that it was easy for my wife to breastfeed so long because she was always home and really loved spending time with our daughter.
The lifestyle of the parents and how much time they spend playing & teaching their children is likely to have a huge impact on test scores as well.
Is it possible that many mothers that take the time to breastfeed are actually stay at home mothers that are also very involved with their children?
Just a thought... the fact is that there are so many variables to consider.
Research/Studies are nice and fine but we all know there is always another study that seems to conflict with it.
Ok.. time for coffee: Is it good or bad for me? I guess it depends on who you ask :)
I agree with you. You have to think that social issues are at play here.
JON-B --- Good points. I bet the breast feeding results would not be same if one group was breast fed by the natural mother and the other group was breast fed by a professional nurser.
As a working mom who breastfed her children for 9 months, I take offense at the statement
"Is it possible that many mothers that take the time to breastfeed are actually stay at home mothers that are also very involved with their children?"
My working allows both my husband AND I to be involved with our kids, camping, hiking, biking, Scouting, church youth group, coaching sports and other activities. And they both test out in the top 5th percentile on national standardized testing.
That said, I breastfed not to make my kids smarter, but because it is the way our bodies are designed to function. And I found it a whole lot easier at 2 am. However, there's a whole generation out there that was primarily formula fed - and with less optimal formulas than we have today - that have managed to form close bonds with their parents and succeed in life. Oh yeah - I would be one of them.
Correlation does not imply causation. In this case it sounds like the nipple nazies are at again.
You mean doing something natural and raising your children actually benefits them? Wow, what a concept!
So calling the "babysitter" (which is code for plugging in the TV, Xbox and a bowl of Cheetoh's to keep them busy) isn't a substitute for being a fcucking parent?
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Why are you hating on cheetos?
Yeah...pretty sure this has nothing to do with parenting or not parenting.
"Breastfeeding can boost children's test scores, especially boys"
At 63 it even works for me! However, I suspect that if a kid is old enough to take tests they are probably too old to be breastfed...
Sorry, I could not resist.
Good one!
Haha... :)
funny
This works for most college students as well.
I probably would have done better in college if I did a little less thinking about breastfeeding and a little more thinking about coming tests.
It nevery helped my grades.
First of all, not everyone can breastfeed. So saying it is my responsibility as a parent is ridiculous. Secondly, I was adopted and not breast fed...top of my class, two bachelors and test at a genius IQ. My best friend, not breast fed...top of her class, PhD from Harvard, law degree from NYU. The writer of the article says socioeconomic status was not taken into account. I am also willing to bet they also didn't ask how many children were in the house and if both parents worked or one stayed home. Did the kids who did poorly have a good teacher or bad teacher? There are too many outside factors for this to be a valid conclusion.
Yeah I don't really trust studies like these. Unless they know exactly how the kid would have turned out NOT being breastfed, they really don't know if coincidentally the kid was just more intelligent or worked harder.
It is true - you can't do a true double blind study on something as involved as child rearing. People also have to realize that studies like this only work across huge population. You're always going to have plenty of examples that don't fit the pattern. Group statistics break down when applied to a population that is too small. For example, there are studies that indicate that breast feeding may reduce a woman's risk of breast cancer. Immediately everyone jumps out of the woodwork with examples of women who breast fed and still developed breast cancer. They don't get that the study doesn't say "if you breastfeed you won't develop breast cancer" - what they say is that "looking at thousands of women, the rate of certain breast cancers is considerably lower among those who breastfed at least 6 months". Still an unfortunate number of women developing breast cancer - but anything that reduces the total is progress. Same here - in your family, your mileage may vary, but when looking at large populations a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT change is seen (I shouted that because statistically significant may actually seem pretty small to the general public).
While actually taking the test or just shortly before?
LOL...LOL!!
OK for all of you who don't like the study, isn't it possible that using the food nature provides for one to rear it's young is the best food for optimal development?
This coming from a mom who breastfed both her children well over a year each, both of which were bright, happy and healthy, oh, and my son just happened to excel in math, ( his field in college as well)... and yes I was a stay at home mother who read to my kids all the time.
I don't disagree with you. Have 2 sons doing exceptionally well in school. Both breast fed, and the wife was a stay at home mom.
Ya MSNBC shredded 300 pages of what was probably much better science into a 10 paragraph Readers Digest version. Without additional information it's hard to determine what the root cause of the elevated test scores was. Even if it's not the direct result of breastmilk, it's a good place to start.
Yea, my mom's a nervous wreck when the holidays come 'round.
She was a 36D, now a 36 long.....
But I don't believe it's improved my test scores any?
Another LOL...LOL!!
And I can relate to your mom's growing length over time.
The study simply confirms what should be common sense. Better nutrition results in a better outcome for the child. Humans after-all, like all mammals, were selected (evolved) to drink their mother's milk. However, what is also not present in the study and is very lacking in the previous posts is that it is a study of the average results. It is the average breast milk versus the average imitation human milk (aka formula) with the "average" child. The results, although measurable, are really rather small. Individuals must make their own choices and not feel guilty if they choose a formula. Similarly, breast feeding should not be stigmatized either.
I think breast-feeding is the best thing you can do for your child. Breastfed children are less likely to be obese and they have strong immune systems. And now we see that it can benefit them academically.
I understand that some women cannot breastfeed due to work or not making milk, but I find them women who don't want to breastfeed due to selfish reasons shouldn't even be parents! If you are so worried about the shape of your breasts or if your husband thinks it's gross...you shouldn't have children! Get a dog!
And anyone who thinks that breastfeeding is gross should think about what breasts are REALLY for...they aren't playthings for men...they are to feed a child. That is the real reason women have breasts!!!!!!