(Who ever you are from)bklynj: So it would be less despicable if this were a 15 or 16 year old girl (or boy) for that matter??
Beyond the person who opened this (#1) comment and the two at 1.3 and 1.4 the rest of you should be very careful about commenting anything about this story; Very Careful.
Public Speech--When a person dies from neglect or abuse perpetuated by another individual, any time, any place on this globe, it's a wrong. You're just wrong for telling others how to express their feelings. No matter what unfolds the planet has lost an innocent.
Never leave you glass unattended. Years ago my mom was visiting and we had some wine. My husband and I didn't know she'd left her's on the table unfinished and in the morning our one year old finished it. We couldn't understand why his face and ears were so red and his behavior was odd. It took a couple of hours to realize what had happened. We were lucky he wasn't seriously injured. If this was an accident, I feel sorry for all concerned. Btw, the article doesn't say that they intentionally gave the child alcohol. She may have drunk from an unattended glass. Don't judge so quickly.
"My husband and I didn't know she'd left her's on the table unfinished and in the morning our one year old finished it. "
Exactly, and thank you. This could happen to anyone who allows alcohol into their home. A thirsty child can take a very large swallow and that could be enough to kill her; also if the drink was sweetened in some way she might willingly consume it.
Let's not persecute them until the whole story comes out. Kids will drink anything. It may well be that they (the adults) left booze unattended and she drank it.
A similar thing happened to my family. I'd just gotten home from 3 months at sea. My wife and I were celebrating my return with some Scotch on the rocks and catching up on what transpired while I was gone.
I noticed that my wife's glass was nearly empty and chided her about her consumption since my own glass was still pretty full. She looked at her glass and then at me in surprise, replying that she'd barely had a couple of sips.
About that time our 4 year old daughter walked over to the coffee table and picked up the glass. From the outcome of this story, we were probably lucky we caught her before she was "over the hill". She was obviously drunk and we kept her active and awake until the symptoms went away.
It happened right under our noses, so to speak. We were just so engrossed in our conversation we failed to notice her helping herself to mom's drink.
So, it's safe to say that pappadave, oomyaqub and b-875713 have all made mistakes that may have endangered their children with liver failure, kidney failure, brain damage, etc-- unintended mistakes with (luckily) no bad consequences. Can you tell me then why a gal in California is currently facing a $500,000 bail because her kids ate one of her pot cookies? A drug that cannot and will not cause permanent harm?
Where did I say I personally had ever done this? I said MOST people do, since most people do keep alcohol around and don't bother to lock it up. As for that "gal in California" it's just ridiculous that she was given that kind of bail. Why take something that is already wrong and apply it to even more people?
Yeah! Because only immigrants and other mud races harm their children! Only if you click on the link below, you will see that's not true. And yet I don't see you saying "And we need white women here because..." Which doesn't surprise me, dnimerick. All you seem to be capable of doing is posting either outright or borderline racist comments.
dnimerick, that's very insensitive of you. I'm half Haitian and the Haitian people are loving, caring, and extremely family oriented. Obviously these were the exception. I'm not justifying what was done, God Rest that sweet baby's soul, but your comment was ignorant. Keep your bigotry to yourself. Thanks.
You're right Cley11, as a matter of fact, I've had many fine upstanding and generous Haitian people try to share their multi-million dollar fortunes with me through e-mail offers over the internet! All I had to do was send them $1,000 for some kind of fee. I declined the offer though because I felt there were probably some more deserving people on the net who needed this money more than myself! God save this innocent baby, and all the fine Haitian people who have such a generous heart! God bless them all!
And in other news, Congress has announced the return of alcohol prohibition to reduce the number of child alcohol poisonings in America. (because it worked so well the last time)
It's a four year old. Most likely they left something out and the kid drank it. Some of those malt liquor based "alchopops" would fit the bill perfectly. It wouldn't take much to kill a four year old kid.
I bet you're white. Why are white people always telling somebody else to go back somewhere?!?!? You weren't always here either!!! Your people stole this land and it was built by the sweat, blood, and tears of slaves---not your people. It seems to me that you and yours need to consider going somewhere!!!
Charlie Sheen is an adult and can make his own decisions. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who has so much and yet would prefers to spend his days with a briefcase full of coke.
Not in my wildest dreams did I think I would click on this story and read that it was a four year old child. And to think that this crime was commited by her own father and aunt. If they are still breathing air as of this writing, there is no justice in this world.
We don't even know yet if there was a "crime" at all. The police have been known to jump the gun before, only to have all charges dismissed. If there is, it will probably be some form of negligence.
I'm just going to go ahead and assume that this was indeed a crime. My reason being this. If a child should come across some alchohol that was left within reach by some act of negligence, and consumed any amount, they would more likely than not regurgitate before consuming enough to end their life.
they would more likely than not regurgitate before consuming enough to end their life.
That's absurd. I know this because half of my family is Jewish, and I've seen some tradition-minded Jews give their kids small amounts of wine on holidays. My husband tells me Italians have a similar tradition. The kids don't throw up. You cannot ever COUNT on vomiting to save you from excess alcohol consumption--it that always worked, there wouldn't be college students who die every year from alcohol poisoning. There wouldn't even be drunk driving, since everybody who drank too much would promptly vomit. Pul-eeze. Anyway, if you're right, what stopped the child from vomiting in THIS case?
You got it right, Oom. Alcohol begins entry into the bloodstream upon contact with soft tissues-- the lining of your mouth, esophagus, and stomach. By the time you are throwing up you already have alcohol poisoning and it will only expel what is in your stomach waiting to be processed, but has no effect (obviously) on the alcohol already in your blood. That's why people with severe alcohol poisoning often die after vomiting.
It's not. The comment you said is. Just like the thousands of other times the same comment was made. It is a natural thing to procraete. Religion and governments have tried to make it a moral or legal issue. The sad fact is that some are not cut out to be parents. We don't know if it was an accident or not. Not enough facts in the story.
Accident? Ya, a 4 year old child opened a beer can or unscrewed a bottle of whiskey and downed enough to die. No matter what, it's the fault of the adults whether they poured it down the girl's throat or left it where she could get at it.
By the age of four either of my sons would have been perfectly capable of opening the screw off top of a bottle of liquor or wine, at least if it had already been opened. Duh, that's why prescription drugs come with "child proof tops". Alcoholic beverages do not. Perhaps they should. When my kids were young and there was sometimes alcohol in the house, it never even occurred to me to lock it away. I doubt it occurs to most of us. In other words, there but for the grace of God go most people.
I don't necessarily want to be in charge, but a year or two of mandatory classes in parenting as part of a high school curriculum sounds like a pretty good idea.
Who makes up the 'test'? Who administers it? Who has the authority to tell those people how to run the test or what to put on the test, the government?
What is on the parent test, questions like:
It is good to give your babby alcohol true/false
And if they pass the test and still fail at parenthood, do we jail the tester? Do we jail the committee that came up with the failed curriculum? Do we jail you for coming up with this 'solution'?
Do you ever think through just how this hyperbole can manifest itself into reality? Wait...it can't; it's hyperbole!
BTW: you don't have to have a license to do any of that stuff. You only have to have it if you WANT to do it within the law. I bet I know who YOU voted for.
So, where is all the info in this article? Did they leave it out and she took it? Did they force it down her throat? Did they put it in juice or what? How much did she have in her system? Answers please!!!!!!
Four year old little girl, I am so sorry your life on this planet was so short lived and you died in such a terrible way, my dear; So very sorry.
i wonder if the little girl was sick and they tried to give her an alcohol bath. my mother in law kept trying to give my daughter alcohol baths and it always seemed like a terrible idea to me, so i did some research. turns out it's fairly common practice among the poor and uneducated, and it's very dangerous. i'm curious to know what the back story is here. poor little girl.
Actually, an alcohol bath, under the supervision of a doctor, is used in some treatments. Alcohol on the skin tends to evaporate quickly, and lower the body's temp.. So some one was treated that way due to an illness, and thought it would solve all temp. problems. Limited knowledge is a dangerous thing: ignorance can be fatal.
I don´t think they intended to rub the girl with alcohol. They most probably gave it to her to drink. I´ve seen a haitian father give Barbancourt rum ( which is strong as hell) to a 2 yrs old boy. It´s a cultural problem.
There are approximately 800,000 Haitians living in the US. This is the first time I have heard of such a thing happening in the US among Haitians. How do you come to the conclusion that this is a cultural problem?
Dear "sick..." Cultural causes! Of course not. Why would a a people that believes in zombies, voodoo dolls etc. would give a child booze? Far to erudite a people for that nonsence.
Four years old your body is lifeless and cold. In custody of people who care? I think not should I dare? You are now an angel in disguise look out for the children for the caretakers you despise. Your life was taken far to quick it literally makes me sick. But smile little one your life has just begun.
i dont know what possesses people to be so cruel and abuse children if these people are here illegally they should be deported so that they can be abused in their country. we have enough nuts here already and i'm not talking about just the illegals.
Our family- and many others- still treasure and protect our precious children...I don't understand a parent whose prime reason for being isn't to protect their child. No failure is larger than not being a good parent.
I agree Sick. It's pathetic to try to bring politics into a story like this. Do you have such a sad, lonely, pathetic life that you need to bring Obama into this? And, that would go towards anyone bringing Bush into this. You are just a pathetic little troll with no life. This story is about the death of a child, with no politics involved. Reading comprehension must not be your thing Rosiy.
That's YOUR opinion! And opinions are like a$$holes! Everybodys got one! I ACTUALLY helped save babies while I was on the Volunteer Ambulance Corps for FIVE years! What have YOU actually done to help society other than jerk off?
Just when was this magically golden time when no child deaths existed?
I'm not sure if you are referencing travelling back in time to the 'golden days' between WW2 and Vietnam, because that is what most 'Bag Heads want to take us back to [read: when white men were in charge of everything and there was no such thing as diversity] but I lived back then as a young white male.
It wasn't all that great a time to live, even as a white male, unless you were part of the birth of the Military Industrial Complex. Then, of course, your family is filthy rich today and, well, who cares about other people like Haitians, right?
Fail: look in the mirror and behold it. You are experiencing the best times you will ever have. Deal with it.
The father and aunt are practicers of Voodoo. Getting the little girl drunk was part of a ritual. They didn't mean to kill her, they just wanted to turn her into a zombie
God Bless you, little one.
You are now beyond the cruelty of this world.
I did not think it could go this low, RIP little-one.
What idiots would give a child booze. These people are stupid and should get a long vacation behind bars.
I really thought this article would be about a 15-16 year old. This is despicable.
God is holding this little one is His arms, now and she is safe. She will never suffer again.
I not even religious but I think these posts show the finest sentiments of spirituality. Thanks.
(Who ever you are from)bklynj: So it would be less despicable if this were a 15 or 16 year old girl (or boy) for that matter??
Beyond the person who opened this (#1) comment and the two at 1.3 and 1.4 the rest of you should be very careful about commenting anything about this story; Very Careful.
Public Speech--When a person dies from neglect or abuse perpetuated by another individual, any time, any place on this globe, it's a wrong. You're just wrong for telling others how to express their feelings. No matter what unfolds the planet has lost an innocent.
Never leave you glass unattended. Years ago my mom was visiting and we had some wine. My husband and I didn't know she'd left her's on the table unfinished and in the morning our one year old finished it. We couldn't understand why his face and ears were so red and his behavior was odd. It took a couple of hours to realize what had happened. We were lucky he wasn't seriously injured. If this was an accident, I feel sorry for all concerned. Btw, the article doesn't say that they intentionally gave the child alcohol. She may have drunk from an unattended glass. Don't judge so quickly.
Where the he ll was your God when she was ingesting alcohol to death?!?!?
This is terrible. And so sad.
"My husband and I didn't know she'd left her's on the table unfinished and in the morning our one year old finished it. "
Exactly, and thank you. This could happen to anyone who allows alcohol into their home. A thirsty child can take a very large swallow and that could be enough to kill her; also if the drink was sweetened in some way she might willingly consume it.
Let's not persecute them until the whole story comes out. Kids will drink anything. It may well be that they (the adults) left booze unattended and she drank it.
A similar thing happened to my family. I'd just gotten home from 3 months at sea. My wife and I were celebrating my return with some Scotch on the rocks and catching up on what transpired while I was gone.
I noticed that my wife's glass was nearly empty and chided her about her consumption since my own glass was still pretty full. She looked at her glass and then at me in surprise, replying that she'd barely had a couple of sips.
About that time our 4 year old daughter walked over to the coffee table and picked up the glass. From the outcome of this story, we were probably lucky we caught her before she was "over the hill". She was obviously drunk and we kept her active and awake until the symptoms went away.
It happened right under our noses, so to speak. We were just so engrossed in our conversation we failed to notice her helping herself to mom's drink.
So, it's safe to say that pappadave, oomyaqub and b-875713 have all made mistakes that may have endangered their children with liver failure, kidney failure, brain damage, etc-- unintended mistakes with (luckily) no bad consequences. Can you tell me then why a gal in California is currently facing a $500,000 bail because her kids ate one of her pot cookies? A drug that cannot and will not cause permanent harm?
Our country is one mussed up cookie ;-)
Where did I say I personally had ever done this? I said MOST people do, since most people do keep alcohol around and don't bother to lock it up. As for that "gal in California" it's just ridiculous that she was given that kind of bail. Why take something that is already wrong and apply it to even more people?
My mistake, I must have misread your previous post OomYaaqub. Your statement about the lack of care regarding liquor is on the money.
Poor child....RIP
And we need Haitians here because....
Because without them how would we know who the bigots are? (Of course you must be a Native American)
Looked right past the death of a four year old to get that zinger out eh?
Yeah! Because only immigrants and other mud races harm their children! Only if you click on the link below, you will see that's not true. And yet I don't see you saying "And we need white women here because..." Which doesn't surprise me, dnimerick. All you seem to be capable of doing is posting either outright or borderline racist comments.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41328483
dnimerick, that's very insensitive of you. I'm half Haitian and the Haitian people are loving, caring, and extremely family oriented. Obviously these were the exception. I'm not justifying what was done, God Rest that sweet baby's soul, but your comment was ignorant. Keep your bigotry to yourself. Thanks.
You're right Cley11, as a matter of fact, I've had many fine upstanding and generous Haitian people try to share their multi-million dollar fortunes with me through e-mail offers over the internet! All I had to do was send them $1,000 for some kind of fee. I declined the offer though because I felt there were probably some more deserving people on the net who needed this money more than myself! God save this innocent baby, and all the fine Haitian people who have such a generous heart! God bless them all!
Dni, you're sick. Or something that rhymes with it.
Slick?
Poor baby, the parents should be charged with murder.
I suffered from the same thing (but at my own hand) and am lucky to be alive.
Alcohol can kill quickly.
shot both of them
Don't tell anyone what you did. Shhh.
@MikeInNY......hilarious!!!
Ken: You have the right to remain silent...
And in other news, Congress has announced the return of alcohol prohibition to reduce the number of child alcohol poisonings in America. (because it worked so well the last time)
The parents probably bottle feed it to the baby to keep it quiet.
This time it worked too good.
Like I said,, murder charges are in order here.
It's a four year old. Most likely they left something out and the kid drank it. Some of those malt liquor based "alchopops" would fit the bill perfectly. It wouldn't take much to kill a four year old kid.
I agree totally, remember many a time in my younger years where it was left out and could very well of had the same thing happen
send em back to haiti......
I bet you're white. Why are white people always telling somebody else to go back somewhere?!?!? You weren't always here either!!! Your people stole this land and it was built by the sweat, blood, and tears of slaves---not your people. It seems to me that you and yours need to consider going somewhere!!!
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Because sending them back home will magically allow this child to rise from the grave like The Jeebus.
Lord help us all.
sick, I meant it would be enough punishment to go back to haiti.
Hush little baby, don't say a lot -- daddy's gonna get you a whiskey shot...
did you think this was funny? Your comment is poorly placed here.
A dark sense of humor is the best kind.
Of course it pisses people off.
Simply crass. I bet you're a member of that dumb azz Tea Party.
hmmm, sounded like a lib comment to me!
Mike a dark sense of humor toward the death of a toddler who was too young to even tie her own shoes?
Why do you feel compelled to chastise strangers on the Internet?
Wait.
And if that whiskey shot don't burn, daddy's got the one-fifty-one to churn...
If it were Charlie Sheen, no one would give a rat's ass, but a four year old girl. What the hell is going on with this society?
I never gave a rats ass about Charlie (Party Boy) Sheen, even BEFORE he became an idiot!
Charlie Sheen is an adult and can make his own decisions. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who has so much and yet would prefers to spend his days with a briefcase full of coke.
THAT'S for sure!
Because children were never abused before we had a "Society", therefore "society" is to blame, right?
Do you read back what you type out loud before you send it?
Protip: do so.
Sorry to hear about this little child it breaks my heart.
Handcuff them and hold their heads underwater 'til you think they are dead and then hold them there five minutes longer.
because three wrongs make a right and killing is magically wonderful in that it brings dead babbies back to life, Right?
Right?
JERK. FIND WORKABLE SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF FOMENTING MURDER
In this case it would not be three wrongs. It would be one wrong being made right.
Not in my wildest dreams did I think I would click on this story and read that it was a four year old child. And to think that this crime was commited by her own father and aunt. If they are still breathing air as of this writing, there is no justice in this world.
We don't even know yet if there was a "crime" at all. The police have been known to jump the gun before, only to have all charges dismissed. If there is, it will probably be some form of negligence.
Oom Yaaqub
I'm just going to go ahead and assume that this was indeed a crime. My reason being this. If a child should come across some alchohol that was left within reach by some act of negligence, and consumed any amount, they would more likely than not regurgitate before consuming enough to end their life.
they would more likely than not regurgitate before consuming enough to end their life.
That's absurd. I know this because half of my family is Jewish, and I've seen some tradition-minded Jews give their kids small amounts of wine on holidays. My husband tells me Italians have a similar tradition. The kids don't throw up. You cannot ever COUNT on vomiting to save you from excess alcohol consumption--it that always worked, there wouldn't be college students who die every year from alcohol poisoning. There wouldn't even be drunk driving, since everybody who drank too much would promptly vomit. Pul-eeze. Anyway, if you're right, what stopped the child from vomiting in THIS case?
You got it right, Oom. Alcohol begins entry into the bloodstream upon contact with soft tissues-- the lining of your mouth, esophagus, and stomach. By the time you are throwing up you already have alcohol poisoning and it will only expel what is in your stomach waiting to be processed, but has no effect (obviously) on the alcohol already in your blood. That's why people with severe alcohol poisoning often die after vomiting.
I think the father and aunt wanted the child to be asleep so that they could enjoy each other with disruption.
We have to be licensed to drive, to fish, to sell alcohol, to run a business, but we let anyone propagate. Tell me that it's not insane.
It's not. The comment you said is. Just like the thousands of other times the same comment was made. It is a natural thing to procraete. Religion and governments have tried to make it a moral or legal issue. The sad fact is that some are not cut out to be parents. We don't know if it was an accident or not. Not enough facts in the story.
Accident? Ya, a 4 year old child opened a beer can or unscrewed a bottle of whiskey and downed enough to die. No matter what, it's the fault of the adults whether they poured it down the girl's throat or left it where she could get at it.
So you want to be in charge of who is allowed to propagate?
Cross yourself off the list first!
By the age of four either of my sons would have been perfectly capable of opening the screw off top of a bottle of liquor or wine, at least if it had already been opened. Duh, that's why prescription drugs come with "child proof tops". Alcoholic beverages do not. Perhaps they should. When my kids were young and there was sometimes alcohol in the house, it never even occurred to me to lock it away. I doubt it occurs to most of us. In other words, there but for the grace of God go most people.
I don't necessarily want to be in charge, but a year or two of mandatory classes in parenting as part of a high school curriculum sounds like a pretty good idea.
Who makes up the 'test'? Who administers it? Who has the authority to tell those people how to run the test or what to put on the test, the government?
What is on the parent test, questions like:
It is good to give your babby alcohol true/false
And if they pass the test and still fail at parenthood, do we jail the tester? Do we jail the committee that came up with the failed curriculum? Do we jail you for coming up with this 'solution'?
Do you ever think through just how this hyperbole can manifest itself into reality? Wait...it can't; it's hyperbole!
BTW: you don't have to have a license to do any of that stuff. You only have to have it if you WANT to do it within the law. I bet I know who YOU voted for.
I was expecting to read this an it be a teen. WTF - a 4 year old child? What is wrong with these people! Take them outside and a bullet to the head!
So, where is all the info in this article? Did they leave it out and she took it? Did they force it down her throat? Did they put it in juice or what? How much did she have in her system? Answers please!!!!!!
Four year old little girl, I am so sorry your life on this planet was so short lived and you died in such a terrible way, my dear; So very sorry.
i wonder if the little girl was sick and they tried to give her an alcohol bath. my mother in law kept trying to give my daughter alcohol baths and it always seemed like a terrible idea to me, so i did some research. turns out it's fairly common practice among the poor and uneducated, and it's very dangerous. i'm curious to know what the back story is here. poor little girl.
Actually, an alcohol bath, under the supervision of a doctor, is used in some treatments. Alcohol on the skin tends to evaporate quickly, and lower the body's temp.. So some one was treated that way due to an illness, and thought it would solve all temp. problems. Limited knowledge is a dangerous thing: ignorance can be fatal.
I don't think that's from drinking. I think that's from inhalation. Have you ever put a bottle of rubbing alcohol up to your nose and eyes?
I don´t think they intended to rub the girl with alcohol. They most probably gave it to her to drink. I´ve seen a haitian father give Barbancourt rum ( which is strong as hell) to a 2 yrs old boy. It´s a cultural problem.
There are approximately 800,000 Haitians living in the US. This is the first time I have heard of such a thing happening in the US among Haitians. How do you come to the conclusion that this is a cultural problem?
Dear "sick..." Cultural causes! Of course not. Why would a a people that believes in zombies, voodoo dolls etc. would give a child booze? Far to erudite a people for that nonsence.
Bet its that pesky white man behind it all, huh?
Maybe the alcohol was part of a chicken blood ritual for bedtime.
Four years old your body is lifeless and cold. In custody of people who care? I think not should I dare? You are now an angel in disguise look out for the children for the caretakers you despise. Your life was taken far to quick it literally makes me sick. But smile little one your life has just begun.
In cases like this we need to bring back public stonings.
i dont know what possesses people to be so cruel and abuse children if these people are here illegally they should be deported so that they can be abused in their country. we have enough nuts here already and i'm not talking about just the illegals.
I wish we could get into a time warp and go back to when moms were moms and dads were dads and their kids were their treasures.
So sad that babies have to grow up so fast in order to survive today.
Our family- and many others- still treasure and protect our precious children...I don't understand a parent whose prime reason for being isn't to protect their child. No failure is larger than not being a good parent.
Yeah, I wish Obamas dad would have stuck around. Maybe he could have taught him different "values"!
I wish you were hit by a truck tomorrow and die an excruciating and death.
I agree Sick. It's pathetic to try to bring politics into a story like this. Do you have such a sad, lonely, pathetic life that you need to bring Obama into this? And, that would go towards anyone bringing Bush into this. You are just a pathetic little troll with no life. This story is about the death of a child, with no politics involved. Reading comprehension must not be your thing Rosiy.
That's YOUR opinion! And opinions are like a$$holes! Everybodys got one! I ACTUALLY helped save babies while I was on the Volunteer Ambulance Corps for FIVE years! What have YOU actually done to help society other than jerk off?
Just when was this magically golden time when no child deaths existed?
I'm not sure if you are referencing travelling back in time to the 'golden days' between WW2 and Vietnam, because that is what most 'Bag Heads want to take us back to [read: when white men were in charge of everything and there was no such thing as diversity] but I lived back then as a young white male.
It wasn't all that great a time to live, even as a white male, unless you were part of the birth of the Military Industrial Complex. Then, of course, your family is filthy rich today and, well, who cares about other people like Haitians, right?
Fail: look in the mirror and behold it. You are experiencing the best times you will ever have. Deal with it.
Sad that a little girl died because of two twisted adults. This makes me sick.
god help your soles!!!!! poor baby girl...
Yea, their feet must be burning...
Rich! LOL!!!
The father and aunt are practicers of Voodoo. Getting the little girl drunk was part of a ritual. They didn't mean to kill her, they just wanted to turn her into a zombie
lol...kidding me
Maybe they mixed her up a couple of zombies? They have rum in them you know.