EXACTLY this is NOT news who cares.... only the palin stupids didnt get vaccinated and who cares if they go 6ft under en masse

Actually, the "patently ignorant lectures" were one gigantic, proven medical fraud, and the fact is that the quack who perpetuated it lost his license to practice medicine. Alas, annoying facts such as this will be denied or ignored by the simpletons who still subscribe to that malarkey. Darwin cases, the lot of them, and too bad they were still able to reproduce and further pollute the global gene pool.

Unfortunately, some people have allergic reactions to some vaccines. My child is one of them. She is not able to get MMR, so we do our best to keep her safe. She was able to get many but has a serious reaction to any vaccine that uses embryos from chickens... What can I do? I vaccinate her with those that do not use that technology and hope for the best. Before you make ignorant comments be sure to know the facts. It is possible this woman had the same reaction my daughter had..

Heymrsm,

Nobody faults you for not vaccinating your child due to legitimate medical reasons. We're faulting those who choose not to due to a mistaken belief that there is some nefarious plot afoot. By not immunizing their children (and themselves), they're putting children like yours at a higher risk level than they should be.

Heymrsm,

Two of my children had an egg allergy and could not have the MMR. In high school, they were retested and had outgrown the allergy. They did not have any trouble having the MMR at that time. May your child outgrow her problem.

bspurloc:

You say: "EXACTLY this is NOT news who cares.... only the palin stupids didnt get vaccinated and who cares if they go 6ft under en masse"

Funny ... I read the article twice and saw no reference to any Palin.

heymrsm, you're right that there is a difference between not being able to receive any given vaccine for medical reasons (I am immunosuporessed by some the meds that I take for inflammatory arthritis, and cannot therefore receive attenuated vaccines, only those that used killed material.) and refusing to have your child/yourself vaccinated for sheer stupidity. Your child falls under the former category, and no one should be blaming you for having to protect your child in the very short-term instead of in the long term.

Your child is protected by a phenomenon called "herd immunity". It refers to the fact that when the majority of the people in any given area have been vaccinated against any given illness. it is extremely difficult/impossible for that particular illness to attach the unprotected people in that area.

I was wearing a seat belt and was still injured in an automobile accident. Seat belts are worthless, aren't they? By your logic, of course they are!

skull ... there are several types of the measles virus. Brenda's point is well taken. Yours, not so much.

5% of the population does not develop antibodies to the virus after the shots. So even if you get the immunization you are not immune. You can get a titer to see if you are immune.

Were you vaccinated against rubella or rubiola, and which did you get? Be specific, because they are two different maladies.

If you are vaccinated then why are you endangered by people who are not vaccinated? Vaccination protects the individual against the disease. So, if someone who is not vaccinated contracts measles it does not affect your immunity. The only people that would "suffer" are other people who are not vaccinated.

Well said, Elaine.

Sounds like another example of an illegal criminal alien. They hardly ever get vaccinations.

The highest risk is actually to children in the womb who can be born with terrible deformities and brain damage and people whose immune systems are compromised (vaccinated or not). So not getting vaccinated most certainly poses a risk for the general population.

Vaccination protects the individual against the disease. So, if someone who is not vaccinated contracts measles it does not affect your immunity. The only people that would "suffer" are other people who are not vaccinated.

That is not true, read up on 'herd immunity'.

Elaine,

Someone who chooses not to get vaccinated may not put me personally at risk, but since a baby cannot get the MMR vaccine until 1 year of age, and since immunocompromised children (for example, children with cancer) can't get live vaccines at all, that unvaccinated person could go around infecting newborns and kids with cancer with a disease that might kill them. Infants, kids with cancer... these are the people that NEED to rely on herd immunity to stay well. So, a big thanks to all of those who choose not to get vaccinated, from the infants and the kids with cancer who are praying they don't get stuck sitting next to you on an airplane.

Nice incoherent spew you have there! So tell us, do you use the new teflon-coated aluminum foil for your hats?

Go to any reputable health website and you'll find that the vaccine-autism link has been disproved by a large study. Go to any reputable news website and you'll find the doctor who published his study which set off the vaccine-autism scare is under investigation.

"Basic science isn't much of an argument..." that pretty much explains were you are coming from, DH, the land of the nut cases.

DH..you are an idiot...too bad there isn't a vaccine for that!

Autism has become a catch-all category for many different conditions that doctors don't take the time investigate, either because they don't have the time, money, patience, or training. Every mental problem with children isn't autism, and there is no verifiable proof that vaccines are linked to autism. Stop jumping to conclusions and relying on someone else's talking points.

egroves

Go to any reputable health website and you'll find that the vaccine-autism link has been disproved by a large study. Go to any reputable news website and you'll find the doctor who published his study which set off the vaccine-autism scare is under investigation.

That would be great information, if only it were true. There are two commonly cited large studies on the autism/vaccine link.

One examined children who had not received MMR BUT HAD RECEIVED OTHER VACCINES. It's hard to put faith in a study that says there is no link to vaccines when the kids got LOTS of vaccines.

The other large study examined thimerasol in the vaccines and autism rates after it was eliminated. It ignored all the other ingredients in the vaccine. How do they know the other 200 or so ingredients don't cause autism? They don't.

The autism/vaccine link has NOT been disproven. My personal feeling is autism is genetic, but for those parents that believe it is caused by vaccines, there is NOT concrete evidence that a link doesn't exist.

as I am not a wussy

" not a wussy", ROFLMAO, yep, being a tough guy" protects you and keeps everyone around you safe.

with a little luck , dh will get some immunizable disease that will render him sterile.

DH-356393, do me and everyone like me a huge favour and STAY AWAY FROM US UNTIL YOU WISE UP AND GET VACCINATED FOR EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.

I am immunocompromised by some of the meds that I take for an inflammatory form of arthritis. Anyone who is or has been a cancer patient is compromised. Anyone who has ever had an organ transplant is compromised. Pregnant women are compromised, even before they know that they are pregnant. Anyone with any type of chronic illness is compromised. It's not just children who are vulnerable.

So, wise up or find a way to avoid people, because you do not have the right to put other lives in mortal danger.

german measles (rubella), considered the milder form of measles overall, causes a birth defect rate of 85% if a pregnant woman gets it in her first trimester. yet a simple shot can prevent it, but dumb people would rather play russian roulette

What a great idea! STAY HOME when you're sick! People don't do that anymore! Guess they're afraid they'll lose their jobs.

No, it all boils down to plain old American stupidity and selfishness. "Gee, I have this fever, cough and body rash, but I really need to get home, so I'll just go pass the infection along to thousands of others, because my needs supercede those of the entire world. Screw those losers, and let them fend for themselves!"

Some illnesses can be transmitted during their incubation period before symptoms appear. The incubation period for measles is 7-18 days. Maybe this passenger didn't realize she was sick--or she only thought she might be coming down with a cold...why miss an expensive flight because you're coming down with a cold?

barney-312547

"it would be quite rare, I would think, if someone were to die from them."

If you can read, you can succeed. Globally, the death rate is about 2%.

if you read the article you would have seen that hundreds of thousands of people die every year (world wide) from measles. back in the 60's when children were vaccinated people were still getting measles and it was devasting for pregnant women/unborn children. read your history many died.

The problem with that is that if you are in that 2%, it's 100% for you. If your child is in that 2% or lives but has lifelong problems, it's 1000% for you, and them.

No, immunizations do not have a 100% sucess rate across the board. Nothing in life is 100%. However, why anyone would endanger their child's life because they believe they know more than every disease specialist in the world is beyond my understanding. Of course, I remember when not immunizing your kids brought you the scrutiny of Child Services. Now they're too busy prosecuting the folks who swat their kid on the butt for throwing a fit in the store to address the important stuff.

Note the article said she became sick after she arrived in New Mexico. Like egroves said, many illnesses don't manifest symptoms until several days after they are contracted. Most common cold viruses take about 14 days to run their course, but you may not have symptoms for the first five to seven days after you catch the virus. It all depends on how strong your immune system is and what type of virus you are fighting.

I still don't know anyone who has died from them

well gee, if YOU don't know anyone, then it must not happen, after all your "common sense" knows more than some person who only spends their life studying a subject.

( note the extreme sarcasm directed towards self-indulgent arrogance)

The problem with your comment and your theory is that people can spread just about any communicable illness before they become ill themselves. It's called an incubation period, and in fact, it's when the illness is msot communicable.

Staying home when you know that you're sick is one thing, but how do you stay home when you are infectious but BEFORE you know that you're sick?

Staying home when you know that you're sick is one thing, but how do you stay home when you are infectious but BEFORE you know that you're sick?

that's how I got chicken pox (this was before a vaccine was available).

visited a friend, called the next day, and friend tells me "I have chicken pox". sure enough, two weeks later, it was my turn. and not much fun at twenty

I believe the author of the "Darwin moment" is stating that when you have the option of vaccination against a disease and choose not to receive it, you are ripe to be culled from the common population. Since, as you succinctly stated, vaccines are a fairly modern concept, those who did not have access to them in the past, and present, are excluded from the natural selection process he was referring to since vaccines were not available to them.

BTW, if I recall, there were a few diseases where a minority of people constituted was counted in the tens and 100s of millions. For example, the 1918 Flu Pandemic killed 3-6% of the global population or 50-100 Million people; Small Pox killed 300-500 Million people in the 20th century with as many as 400,000 europeans killed every year during the latter years of the 18th century. Of course, vaccines were not available for the diseases back then but when they were developed and used, they all but eradicated small pox in the US. The flu still kills because it constantly mutates or produces new strains that require new vaccines, but when it is available, and an individual chooses not to use them, then the indiviual places many more than themselves at risk.

Though some may not agree with vaccinations, the rate in which they are administered or the number of vaccinations required, the general populations has suffered less from many ravaging diseases (small pox, polio, etc.) because of the use of vaccines.

Well said, Siberica. And I believe you will be healthier for your entire life because you had the childhood diseases. You will be less susceptible to the autoimmune disease also, I believe.

Makes sense to me. Don't vaccinate and if you get a childhood disease and you die then so be it. That is the way it works in nature. Only the strong survive. SARCASM intended.

And I believe you will be healthier for your entire life because you had the childhood diseases.

Assuming that you survived the diseases as a child, that is. Those who didn't, well, they're not around to contradict you.

While people will get sick, and a minority will even die, the world isn't going to end because people don't get vaccinated

Small pox didn't wipe out the planet but it did kill millions.

Well said, Siberica. And I believe you will be healthier for your entire life because you had the childhood diseases. You will be less susceptible to the autoimmune disease also, I believe.

yep, your "belief" is a far more reliable indicator than intense study , testing, scrutiny and analysis.

"common sense" (also known as self-delusion) trumps reality again.

Really? I guess you didn't read your history books, did you? Black Death (bubonic plague) wiped out roughly 75% of the population of the planet. Cholera can wipe out a whole village in a matter of days. And throughout known history, there have been pandemics that have significantly reduced the work population. At least one such plague killed such a large proportion of the population that humankind was barely left with a gene pool sufficient to sustain human life.

I did too, November 1957, same age as you, and my 3 year old brother and infant sister did too, at the same time. I, too, have never been so sick in my life, including when I had pneumonia.

For the idiots who don't vaccinate, I suggest they have somebody who knows how to read look up the stats on how much epidemics reduced the population of Europe during the Middle Ages.

And just who says that the Vatican and the Church are actually fonts of wisdom of any sort? That the Vatican, in it's infinate lack of wisdom, has problems with this is actually an excellent reason to go ahead and have the vaccine.

Stop making this about religion. This is about science and critical thought, two things that are anathema to all organized religions.

Don't feel bad. I noticed my titers get a little larger every year also.

It is better for our children to get these childhood diseases and fight them off, then to receive so many questionable chemicals in their small bodies.

And what about the kids who are unable to fight them off? "Acceptable losses"?

Kids having the common cold is more than enough to kick start their immune systems, without endangering their lives or the lives of anyone else.

Your post is offensive, because it advocates the laissez fair policy that kills people.

Wise up and stop playing Russian roulette with MY life and with the lives of others. You don't have that right.

Yes..you are correct that the live weakened virus originally came from human embryonic fibroblast cells. However it was from one theraputic aborted embryo from England in the 60s. These same cells have continued to grow in the labs since then.

freedman1, I've got news for you. You are NOT freed at all. You have allowed yourself to be brainwashed and because of that you have lost the concept of individuality and of critical thought. These are attributes of free people everyone, and when you chose to deny them to yourself, you put yourself into the ranks of slaves and not among the ranks of free persons anywhere.

Thanks for the info Freedman. This is a topic I have personal interest in because I am in the healthcare field and have had to be vaccinated many many times because my titers always come back negative. If one person comes into our ER with measles I will have to leave work for an entire month required by CDC!

Wrong. Polio is still around. It ought to be eradicated by now, but it's not. WHO and other international health organizations are working hard to vaccinate everyone who hasn't been vaccinated, but there are hampered in this not by governments and not always (sometimes but not always) by geography but attitudes, including by religious leaders who inculcate their followers with the idea that vaccines are attempts by Westerners to poisoning a given population.

Polio is also still around in pockets of North America, again among groups who refuse and refute science in the name of religion.

I had the Sabin vaccine when it was first available. I was about 4. I remember having had the measles. It wasn't a lot of fun, and the thing that I most resented about it was having to be in a quiet and darkened room to protect my hearing and my vision. I don't think that I've ever been so miserable and so bored at any other point in my life.

Peter, you are absolutely right. Obviously this measles spreader did not care about other women's unborn children. It is both ignorant and selfish.

Peter your veiw is well taken. Please check your medical facts though and see that it is GERMAN MEASLES not measles that can cause POSSIBLE birth issues. The man onboard had an unknown case of infection of ordinary measles. How many people I wonder even bother to think about sitting next to another human being at any public place wondering about whether or not that person has a communicable disease??????? Living is a chance you take.

That is not true. My daughter was warned when she was pregnent because she has no immunities to the measles. She was vacinated but needs to be revaccinated

Correction - immunizations are the single most important medical miracle ever. But they long predate the last centrury. See Edward Jenner. His An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of the Variolae Vaccinae, a Disease Known by the Name of Cow Pox was published in 1798.

And on a personal note, thank you for your years of delivering a truly essential service.

Many people didn't survive, robert. Many died, were disfigured, lived in iron lungs. I am old enough to remember neighborhood kids who died.

Yes, perhaps we would have a stronger population if we took every three week old baby down to the sewage treatment plant for a quick swim and exposure. The weak ones would be culled from the gene pool and only the strong would make it. Sounds like a plan.

You say you are an educator. How do you feel when one of your students dies needlessly? Does it even matter to you?

Dear Robert,

If there were an HIV vaccine would you get it? Measles, whooping cough, chicken pox etc. does kill people. If your child or grandchild died or was born with severe disabilities because of one of these childhood illnesses maybe you would think differently!

Tewi, I really have not offered an opinion today. However, no, I would not get an HIV vaccine. My odds of catching it are slim to none.

I believe the point is to let those who may have traveled in close proximity to the carrier know that they may have contracted the disease...

Sorry Robert, but people in the late 50's & 60's WERE immunized! Perhaps you just don't recall it? But I know for a fact that I started kindergarten in 1960 & we were ushered off to the firehouse that yr for polio & measles/chicken pox imunizations. For some reason, there maybe wasn't yet, or I didn't get a rubella (german measles) & caught it a couple yrs later. So you were right about the german measles! None the less my mother carrying my brother caught it from me & my brother has paid the price for it his whole life.

Peter-2885517, we (I started kindergarten the same year that you did) didn't get the rubella vaccine because it wasn't available.

In fact, when my youngest sister was diagnosed with rubella my mother put all of girls in the same room, in the hopes that we would also come down with it. We were all pre-pubescent at the time, and of course, having rubella at that age would rarely do us any harm, but would vouchsafe our potential children from the horrific disabilities that result when a woman comes down with rubella while pregnant, even before they know that they are pregnant.

It didn't work for me, but as an adult, as soon as that vaccine was available, I chose to be vaccinated.

Who cares? That is a racist, ignorant, and completely irrelevant question and demonstrates that all you care to do here is incite hateful fearmongering rather than thoughtful discussion.

Click on his name above and look at his other posts and you will see what he/she is up to.

are you a stalker, grump? get a life.

I clicked on your name and all it said was Ignoramus

Can't stop, can you? It's all you have to offer.

obviously you can't either, that's why you replied.

Ok freely, then I challenge you to resource that name - Juanita Gonzalez Guadalajara.

I'm guessing you simply made it up.

Freedman, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya?

uhhhhhh DUH...I did. It was called "being sarcastic"...

Sarcasm usually has a point, usually an ironic one.
I guess I missed your point. Would you mind breaking it down a little?

freedman1, you are missing the point here. IPfreely's hobby is trolling and, like his name says, peeing on others, and generally being a dick. He has nothing to offer anyone. Check out his other posts and you will get the drift of what he is up to. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, vaccination, measles. It only has to do with his need to be sarcastic, mean, and hateful to people he doesn't know or care about. If he has a family, wife and kids, he abuses them too. He is an abuser.

If you actually catch the measles, your immunity never wears off. Same for chicken pox.

...to that particular strain...

Congrats on the little one. Hope all goes well.

freedman1, you're showing once again that you are anything but free.

Both measles and chicken pox can KILL. With that in mind (and I do say that loosely), why would anyone want to risk their or ther child's life by NOT being vaccinated?

Worry. Then get vaccinated and vaccinate them too.