Junk science alert!!

How about health insurance companies? you do realize that they are the ones who decide what can be charged for a given treatment/visit/procedure? I suggest you look into this...maybe then you will realize that primary care clinics actually end up LOSING money on vaccines...yes that is correct... they LOSE money they DO NOT MAKE MONEY. Why would the "evil machine" which is the medical world recommend vaccines if they were going to lose money? Yet they still do? I am afraid that may hurt your argument... you would almost think all these physicians took the Hippocratic oath or something? Is that Jenny McCarthy's latest movie?

Also, I hope you are aware that you are just feeding into a different and absolutely ludicrous form of propaganda yourself.

You must think people are stupid.

http://dangerousprescriptiondrugs.weebly.com/pharma---biggest-paychecks.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jul/22/glaxosmithkline-swine-flu-vaccine

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/61874.php

"Vaccine Industry Growing Amid Increased Funding, Higher Profits"

http://www.physorg.com/news183705900.html

http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/2007/07/vaccine-market-to-hit-192b-by-2010.html

How about health insurance companies? you do realize that they are the ones who decide what can be charged for a given treatment/visit/procedure?

I suggest you look into the relationship between vaccine manufacturers and insurance companies. Insurance is one of the biggest problems with healthcare.

I don't think people are stupid, I know people are stupid. You're right insurance companies are one of the greatest evils in our society. They control health care. Are you aware that they do not cover cost to have children vaccinated? Therefore, the primary care clinics lose money on the vaccines... they PAY to keep your children safe... please, explain what evil, money hungry doctors would pay to keep children safe through vaccines? This is fact... there is no argument.

I don't think people are stupid, I know people are stupid.

Well that explains why you think the government should control and manipulate them. Stupid people are your enemy and they are dangerous. Your government will protect you from all of them. If we were only as smart and as learned as you then we'd listen and comply.

If you have your vaccine then you have nothing to worry about right? The people who chose not to vaccinate make take responsibility for their health.

If you want to play the "oh there are people who can't be vaccinated" card and you think all of these people are cancer patient or have immune deficiency then we have a huge medical/health problem that medicine is failing to address.

Wrong.

Babies can't be vaccinated until they are a certain age. If you read the article, you will see that an 11 month old was infected.

It's not a "card", it's a fact, facts being something the anti-vaccine crowd plays fast and loose with.

Babies can't be vaccinated until they are a certain age. If you read the article, you will see that an 11 month old was infected.

You're wrong. Babies CAN be vaccinated at any age if you wish. It's just not public health policy to do so with the MMR because of maternal fetal antibody interference.

In case you, as a fact finding research based know it all disease mongerer, didn't know. Maternal fetal antibody interference is the problem that vaccine pushers and Micro managing public health officials run into because it renders their vaccine useless. If the mother has immunity she transfers antibodies to her baby for 6 -18 mos. Recently it has become closer to 6 mos because the vaccine doesn't provide the same lasting immunity as the vaccine.

Public health officials try to "guess" when is the best time to give it. For them preferably as soon the antibodies wear off. It's a convenience issue.So the time frame currently is 12 mos. But individually the baby is protected as long as the antibodies exist.

Recently it has been suggested that mother forgo protective breast feeding so vaccine manufacturers can get their vaccines to work. Breast feeding apparently can interfere with vaccine efficacy also. It's all about manipulation. Not facts and informed consent. It's not about immunity. It's about vaccine compliance.

Where did you copy and paste this from? Jenny Mccarthy's website?

Sorry Babe, every single letter is my own. Every single letter. Do you need references or something?

No, I don't get my information from crazies on the internet...sorry "babe".

I guess you are just a crazy yiikes? You are here.

I take it you never heard of maternal fetal antibody interference before this?

The posting right before yours states:

In November 2008, WHO announced that global measles deaths had dropped from 750,000 in 2000 to 197,000 in 2007, a reduction of 74 percent During this period, measles deaths in Africa dropped by 89 percent from an estimated 396,000 to 45,000 deaths. From FY 2001 to 2009, CDC contributed more than $345 million for global measles control activities. These funds were used for the purchase of tens of millions of doses of measles vaccine for use in large-scale measles vaccination campaigns in more than 60 countries, mostly in Africa and Asia, and for the provision of technical support to Ministries of Health in those countries. An estimated 3.6 million measles deaths were prevented as a result of the large-scale measles vaccination campaigns and improvements in routine immunization during these years. " http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/progbriefs/downloads/global-measles-elim.pdf

So, according to you, measles killed 500 before vaccines. After vaccines, they killed at least 750,000 in just one year. So you are going to be telling us next that the vaccines caused those deaths?

So, according to you, measles killed 500 before vaccines.

That is correct. Deaths attributed to measles BEFORE vaccination was around 500 per year in the United States. This represents a drastic decrease in measles deaths BEFORE the vaccine.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2654:united-states-disease-death-rates&catid=55:united-states-deaths-from-diseases&Itemid=55

Eradicated and eliminated are not the same thing... clearly you know nothing about public health. And you're correct, people do get measles...if they have only had the first vaccine... this is what is referred to as 'primary' and 'secondary' immunity... your body does not develop complete immunity until it has been exposed through vaccine twice... hence booster shots.

Eradicated and eliminated are not the same thing.

Well then educate. I'd like to know the difference.

your body does not develop complete immunity until it has been exposed through vaccine twice... hence booster shots.

Uh, immunity can can also come from natural infection, which often can be mild with no need for lifetime pharmaceutical boosters.

Did you know that in the '60's the CDC scientists said that measles would be eliminated with one shot within one year worldwide? What? no booster? Where do you think the booster came from? Because this theory didn't work out so well. That's why.

Your 'logic' is so skewed its humorous... why are you citing something that happened in the 1960's? That was 50 years ago... and if you think a mild infection is likely you are entirely mistaken.

why are you citing something that happened in the 1960's?

It's to show you the context of measles infection before the vaccine propaganda people got a hold of your noggin and manipulated it into an anxiety machine.

Robert,

I applaud you for being one that is not steered into following the pseudoscience propaganda machine and has a handle on life that is not turned by the hand of quackery.

Most people just listen to their dear leaders and follow everything they recomend without doing research and seing where the underlying threat to human health resides. That is why so many people get sick from the very information they are fed under the guise of being out for the protection of their health.

You are one in a million. Often it is that million that do not know anything more then what they are spoon fed.

Once again, Thank you for the truth.

So you too can see how hysteria and phobias are so inflated that it is FEAR that is the driving force for all the mis-information and over inflated costs.

The truth surrounding the minimal threats to things that occur naturally on a small scale or actual threat is made WORSE from the fear-mongers and hype surrounding life itself.

They are out to scare those that are so eager/weak-minded, to put their false sense of security into a system that steers them into corrals where they are "Managed" according to a peer revue consensus.

You too can see where the truth resides. That is the agencies like the CDC, FDA or any branch of government that is so intrusive and self centered into thinking life is dependent on them and their opinion only. IT IS NOT ANYTHING MORE. Life would be easier if they left it that way. But where is the PROFIT in that?

The anti-vaccine crowd with their so-called research (and google is not research) are a menace to society.

To quote Mark Twain- “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”

Exactly who is a menace to society? And How are they a menace to society? Don't you vaccinate? Are you certain of your product? Can it and has it caused irreparable damage? Can your product also cause someone to go into a convulsive seizure?

How about health insurance companies? you do realize that they are the ones who decide what can be charged for a given treatment/visit/procedure? I suggest you look into this...maybe then you will realize that primary care clinics actually end up LOSING money on vaccines...yes that is correct... they LOSE money they DO NOT MAKE MONEY. Why would the "evil machine" which is the medical world recommend vaccines if they were going to lose money? Yet they still do? I am afraid that may hurt your argument... you would almost think all these physicians took the Hippocratic oath or something?

Nope!

Not hardly.

Look to the man made swine flu episode a couple years ago with all the BS hype about getting vaccinated to protect you from getting it. I was sick around that with what they described the symptoms as being the swine flu. Well, I attributed my getting sick to a man made spread and cause but I did not run to get vaccinated.

If there was a simple outbreak of a natural occurrence I would weather the storm and instead of running to be a pin cushion under the guise of getting falsely protected, I would take my chances naturally.

The knowledge I have about the dangers of vaccines over shadows any threat that exists in nature. I do not fear nature but I am leery of anything touted as being better then nature.

I being against vaccines do not fear death by nature so I will not fall into the trap of thinking any vaccine will make me immortal.

Clearly, you have no knowledge of which to speak.

I say if you vaccinate and still infect others then you, your doctor, nurse, pharmacist, and vaccine manufacturer should be held liable for fraud. And if said vaccine causes damage or even missed days of work then all said individuals should be financially liable.

I don't think the vaccine business would last very long then.

But that's why they coaxed the government into giving them liability and immunity from vaccine damage. From a business standpoint this is brilliant. No accountability for your product. The government practically forces and sells if for you. And immunity from lawsuits. I'd be trying to stick all of my products into a syringe and calling it a vaccine also.

You're right... there is no science behind vaccines...they probably just throw some sewer water into a syringe and call it a vaccine! And if you think people still get an illness for which they have been PROPERLY immunized you are wrong! Booster shots...that's why they exist, you are not fully protected until you have had the full round of vaccines. And no, this is not a method to "squeeze" more profit out of patients... it's something called primary and secondary immunity... why do you think you only get the chicken pox once? Because after you have it...you're immune! If you still get the flu after getting a flu shot, it's a different strain...simple as that.

why do you think you only get the chicken pox once? Because after you have it...you're immune!

What about "secondary immunity". Does that only apply to vaccines?

If you still get the flu after getting a flu shot, it's a different strain...simple as that.

So you are admitting that it doesn't work?

Do you know what secondary immunity is? Secondary immunity is your bodies full blown response to an infection... thus full blown immunity.... I don't understand your point. And NO, the CDC determines the most potent strain for each given year and bases the vaccine on that. Of course there are other strains, but not nearly as common as the primary strain. Also, if you have been vaccinated and you still contract the primary strain of flu it is likely that you contracted the virus RIGHT after you were vaccinated... once again, this is because your body is not 'instantly immune' it takes time. Clearly you know nothing about the human body or the science behind vaccination. Commenting on a subject of which you are ignorant is irresponsible and inappropriate.

I take it you are alien then yiikes because you do not corner the market on the human body. The human body is natural and the knowledge you claim to know is only the pseudoscience body.......mans Manipulation of nature.

Do you know what secondary immunity is? Secondary immunity is your bodies full blown response to an infection... thus full blown immunity

What the heck is "full blown immunity"? Is that some sort of autoimmune disease?

Also, if you have been vaccinated and you still contract the primary strain of flu it is likely that you contracted the virus RIGHT after you were vaccinated... once again, this is because your body is not 'instantly immune' it takes time.

So what your saying and confirming is that the vaccine has no accountability. If the vaccine fails then you just pull out your rationalization of why it failed. Failure is failure. No excuses.

Studies show the influenza vaccine is a joke in terms of effectiveness. It's a crap shoot and the people who could potentially benefit the most respond to it the least (65 and older constitute over 90% of P & I deaths.)

In 1972 I was vaccinated and ended up in a coma for three days after the injection.

Yes, vaccines do injure/kill people. No amount of pseudoscience peer review evidence that is ignored, denied or falsely created will prove anything different then what I know.