The government shouldn't be making these kinds of decisions. They need to butt out of this and start trying to figure out how to get our budget (the Illinois budget that is), under control.
Frank...So dumb, so naive. You do realize that overweight and obese people cost the US healthcare system over $150 BILLION. Half of which is paid for by Medicare and Medicaid. All this money could be saved if people would just eat right and get off their butts and exercise. This spending can be AVOIDED. This is why having a healthy America will save the overall country hundreds of billions of dollars annually. So, since you're so worried about the budget you should be promoting a healthy lifestyle. Yet, we Americans love to blame other people for our problems. It's much easier to tell others to change instead of changing ourselves.
shazam the man, you do realize that 99.9% of the overweight and obese people in the US have done it to themselves by not using self control?
Do you realize that people who live long and health lives not only eat right & exercise, but see a doctor for regular check-ups every year. That is called preventative maintenance of the human body.
If everybody went to the doctor once a year to get checked out, then the cost of obesity would go down. Don't listen to doctor's advice on eating right & exercise early on? Sorry, pay for it out of your own pocket.
yes let the obese people keep eating trans fat! Let themselves gorge on fast food and junk food until they cant walk anymore! YES lets us, the taxpayers pay for their healthcare when they have heart disease! Let the poor people of the world starve to DEATH just so the obese Americans can keep their RIGHT to gorge themselves on the stuff they consider "food" REALLY?! Morons
they better also look at banning carbs also, because the body converts them to triglicerides. and what other food product can we do away with. i know, we just put everypne on iv feedings with all essential nutrients included. big brother government will take care of everyone. kind of like an old movie i think. or we could simply make people take some responsibility for their lives, instead of allowing obesity to be a reason to collect disability.
Ya know----first it was smoking, now it is trans fat, what's next? Allowing people with age related dementia to die off (soylent green is PEOPLE!) because they have lived so long thanks to the health police?
As for the obese---let them eat cake----I call it slow suicide. BUT REMEMBER not everyone who is obese got that way eating; there is probably 20% who are obese due to medications and / or disease.
"You can't eat that... the government says so." I think the government has better things to worry about. Things like how fat and bloated our national debt has become.....
You need to reaize that a great portion of our budget goes to health casre (and will increase over the coming years). THREFORE, we need to eliminate the fauz foods and additives (chemicals) that are contributing to our health care costs. Everyone should recognize who are enemies and who are friends or neutrals, and ir you think the giant agribusines is a better friend than the scientists and government, then I own a toxic waste dump (a small one) I'd like to sell you!
Longhair, I don't understand what you are trying to argue? You're advocating regular health visits and responsible eating and I agree with you, which you might be able to tell if you read my original post.
Prohibiting the ingredient is really one step too far. Compelling the producers to offer a transfat-free option would be quite another thing, and a sensible one.
And, by the way, you know what is the closest-tasting margarine substitute? Natural butter. No transfat whatsoever, though loads of calories and cholesterol. In fact, not just closest- tasting, but for most people better-tasting. Given a choice, I'd go for natural butter version. And that extra calories and cholesterol? To hell with it, most of us will be put on statins at some point in our lives anyway.
You sound like a idiot..You will not taste the differents when you eat your freaking fat Ass Doughnuts.
You might pay acouple of cents more, big deal. You sound too young to understand what trans-fat does to you heart, and organs, besides becoming a diabetic. Give me Organic butter anytime, and throw out Procsess foods, such as your fake butter, Margarine. YUCK.
Even if you do not have health insurance, I'm tired of paying for your people coming to our ERs sick, and We have to pay for your Lard ASS.
You should know, NOT everyone is going to be on Statins, cause we care about what we put into our Body's.
I might add, more people might be going to fast foods, drive throughs, as there will not be any Trans-fat junk in there fast foods anymore. Many people do not realize the junk they where eating in there foods. Besides there is Not any signs up in resturants showing what your eating. When you go marketing you have the choice of of reading what is in the food, but Not in a Resturant.
Brian...You won't even taste the difference in the donuts. I meanwhile will still have to see your fat butt wobbling down the street and the money taken for Medicare will go towards treating your heart disease because you, like millions of other Americans, have eaten themselves to death.
Either way, it is sort of the risk you take when eating junk food and I think if someone will be so effected by the trans-fats they are not eating healthy in the first place. This is an unnecessary change for people to make. A little won't hurt you but it's a problem because people can't control themselves. Maybe we should focus on assisting citizens in self control instead, but that would mean that the government has to pay instead of it's citizens so that wont happen.
Don't be so mean people----YES you can taste the difference the other point being is that if you clarify butter (remove fat solids) it is no worse for you than margarine and tastes much better.
It is called GHEE and ghee is good. It also has an extremely long shelf life.
Cali Woman---Please stay in your consistently polluted land with your gangs and drive by killings.---IF I were you I'd be more worried about those than what people in Ill or any other state are eating. AFter all WE have to pay to support your criminals too.
You're right! Government can't stop you from being stupid or eating dirt, but they SHOULD be able to prohibit companies from adding tasty poison to it and selling it to you.
Your favorite doughnuts, idiot (with a cute Swartzenhagger accent) can be made for you with natural oils that will clog your arteries much more slowly, or maybe not at all.
Obesity cost states and the nation hundreds of billions of dollars annually in relation to healthcare. If you want to save money we need a healthier public. Plain and simple.
Poor food choices of the majority of the population makes them sicker overall and that raises health care costs, in turn raising premiums. So, you don't just choose for yourself.
When are they going to ban genetically engineered food stuffs like certain grains eg. corn etc?
How about banning antibiotic being fed to animals/poultry etc.
How about banning growth hormones being fed to these animals/ poultry etc?
How about banning some of these pesticides etc that are harmful to humans......
Isn't it time for organic products.... to be the norm?
Now we hear it is good to eat eggs again...... now we know that humans need a certain amount of cholesterol anyway and not all cholesterol is bad for a person.....
Remember when red wine was a no no a few years back .....then oh... a glass of wine is good for the digestion......
Perhap it is time to just encourage moderation instead of greed or gluttony or simply overeating....... whether it is fast food or health foods...
On the other hand oftentimes it is the over processed food that is the most inexpensive to purchase.....Check the taste and price of fruits and veggies ..... many are utterly tasteless and beyond expensive....
Perhaps it is time to raise wages for sure..... Oh yeah, but some polititians especially of the republican persuasion, want to do away with even a minimum wage.... but they want us to eat what we can't even afford.
Perhaps at the next jobs interview.... you should remind the recruiter that ....you will work for food......LOL
You know ... when the recruiter tell of the pittance per hour you can tell them that pay you in food ...organic of course.....and gas....LOL
So what's next are we not to ingest..... even as our water, air land and sea are being poluted, and that is finding its way back into the food we eat and water we drink.....Hmmmm
Yeah..... I feel healthy already....
Thank goodness, it is not THAT transfat... it tastes just like this sans fat ......
that Yummmmy OL E O.....LOL
Psssst..... No one lives forever..... death like taxes, is the only thing we can be sure of.....because at some point in our lives we are going to have to pay up and give it up, thus we are all going to turn up our toes...... LOL
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
Lexiwords...You've lost it. You're seriously angry that they're removing a poison from your foods and you want to be able to choose whether to eat it or not? My asbestos metaphor is showing you how dumb that thinking is. You're talking about me not being free? You know whose not free? People who work 9-5 every single day come home eat, sleep and then do the same thing day after day after day. We're all slaves to our everyday hum drum lives. I for one feel free as a bird as I am very distant from such a lifestyle, but you assumed differently. Shows what you know.
It's a great idea to get rid of the trans-fat. When the companies value the almighty dollar rather than your health, and you like a big dummy continue to buy their product, it shows disrespect for yourself. If the state and "other powers that be" cant get the petition into law, the FDA should be made to mandate bakeries, etc. to post the same warnings and lable contents on large signs in full public view so consumers who are unknowingly poisioning themselves are informed about what the doughnut or any other non-labeled food products are required, by law, to disclose.
No you don't don nielsen. You don't pay a penny for me and my choices. You want to blame the wrong group of people for your increased health insurance premiums. If you want to blame someone, blame the millions of illegals that suck the system dry.
Your crazy, insurance companies work strictly on profit and loss, if you don't have a policy with them, then they couldn't less who or what you are. There are lots of costs connected with wetbacks, but this isn't one of them. Now if you don't have insurance then your right, my rates aren't adjusted for your pesronal choices, however hospitals cannot refuse the uninsured for emergency services and that does reflect on what I pay to use the hospital. That goes for both illegals and persons here legally.
Don nielson....I dont care what rates go up and for what reason...in no way shape or form does that grant any goverment the right to invade an individuals privacy or dictate what will and will not be consumed.
Your crappy driving affects my car insurance but does that mean the goverment has a right to tell you exactly how to drive by say putting a camera in your car and monitoring your activity?
The point is, if you dont like what I eat to bad, there are thing that you do that other people do not like and they simply deal with it.
Besides, I would think there are many more pressing issues that would demand the attention of the goverments on every level that is within their powers to mandate and resolve.
Be careful of what you wish for, when it comes you may not like the result.
America first... You may not care, but it's not about ONLY you, others do care. Secondly, you don't know how I drive so "WTF" are you talking about??? This issue is about limiting others liability for YOUR health choices. Like I said elsewhere on this post, when you come up with a system that doesn't hold others accountable in higher rates for insurance and social services for your life style choices then I too support your right to kill yourself anyway you wish.
so since I'm not insured you shouldn't care about my right to eat trans fats except that the big brother gooberment is telling me I can't buy it. Sure ,now it's just restaurants, bakeries and vending machines. Next it will be every trace of trans fat. the high calorie items, and then high cholesterol foods. When does it stop? I say NOW!
WRONG, Don. It's the INDIVIDUAL first in this nation. So Don, tell us Mr. Big Government Nannystatist lover: exactly what point would you say the government was overstepping its bounds in YOUR individual lifestyle and choices? The bed you sleep in?The clothes you wear? The amount of miles you drive? Where you vacation? The light bulbs you use or the car you drive? (Oh wait scratch those two - that's already happening).
You keep your fascist loving mentality and crooked politicians drunk on Nannystate power out of our lives. We'll choose what WE WANT FOR OURSELVES.
I'm sure all you people contribute through payroll taxes to Medicare and Medicaid. What is happening is you are giving money to the government to fund these programs and that money is being spent on healthcare costs associated with obesity, because you want to be "free" to eat fatty foods. Doesn't that sound foolish? Why wouldn't you want to eat healthy and reduce the cost burden on the nation? Oh right, I forgot...."Amuuuurica First"...puuuhlease. Actions speak louder than words. A fat US public is hurting American interests, but you all are too dumb to see that.
shazam-----medicare / medicade SSI/SSA raided for the war chest----I find it annoying that you can make that statement when the death gov of arizona has already sentenced people who used to work to death because they had defective organs (not obese) and she didn't feel they DESERVED the opportunity to become once again productive members of society.
lexiwords...Use punctuation marks, your babbling nonsense is incoherent. From what I could take away, I still think you are uttering nonsense though. I'm talking about paying health bills for people who love their donuts too much and you're rambling about death panels or something.
The Illinois legislature is attempting good, responsible government. Transfat, Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup are responsible for many health problems and early death among Americans. Government has no greater need for being, than to protect those it governs from their own excesses, which generally always victimize the non indulgent and especially the marginally and disenfranchised classes. I hope Illinois is successful and this good governance spreads to all the other states.
Good lord get the govt out of our lives with bans, etc. If I don't WANT to eat healthy thats my business. Inform me, but don't order me. A continuation of this nanny attitude will cause me to want to die early.
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
Rory...In case you missed it, I'm using sarcasm as a form of a metaphor. I doubt you know what those 2 big words are. From your previous posts, I assume your IQ is in the low 40's give or take 5.
It's not for you to decide what kind of fat people can put in their food. You can make restauranteurs perhaps give accurate information about what is in their recipes, but it is not your job to stop people from getting fat. It is a personal responsibility to not become a fat pig. We don't need your Nanny State nonsense of telling everyone exactly what they have to do in every instance.
These Big Govt scum will have a law dictating every aspect of your life except killing your unborn or getting married if you're queer. Those you will have rights concerning.
Heck yeah....Darn liberals. They showed Obama's long form birth certificate, but I still don't believe them. The are hiding something. I don't even know if Obama is Obama. That is the real question.....Ya know?
Obviously they are. When you consider the size difference Illinois is in worse financial shape than California. In comparison to Illinois California is a well run financially prudent state.
At least the politicians in California can legitimately make the claim that the majority of the states problems have been brought on by the voters themselves through the countless initiatives on every ballot.
This trans fat ban was the only bit of wackiness that California could use to claim the title of most dysfunctional state.
they should all be made to leave the salt out , with all the fats and sodiums put in the processed foods and meats , we are becoming an obese nation with high blood pressure , heart desease and so on and we must get active again to burn the fat off and keep it off or big price to pay in healthcare costs and early deaths.
I guess they forgot to add that little snippet of information on how all the hormones in animals and chemicals in seeds and soil today, cause most of that fat and illness they are trying you put off on cigarettes and trans fats. Not to mention whatever they are pelting us with in chem trails. But, I always forget that not everyone took that free education the government offered over the years and learned simple techniques like research, reading, research..you know, the stuff that helps you get at the truth? MODERATION has always been the rule of thumb. Salt and fat are not bad for you, in fact, your body needs a certain amount of salt AND fat. But like any other topic, when sides are drawn, moderation is thrown out the window.
karen, wow you do not know much about the purpose of salt. Without the mean old sodium you cannot preserve meat among other things. I personally do not add salt to my food, I use pepper or Mrs dash, but I know sodium in the food is usually already enough so why add any. At the same time, I do not tell others how to eat, that is their choice and their responsability to educate themselves.
Karen - And while they're at it they can ban nitrites and nitrates, corn syrup, MSG, all dyes and preservatives, then we'll be back to where we were 100 years ago. Maybe not a bad idea, but we will have to keep salt to salt down the herring and cure the ham.
HAHAHA...I can't believe you all are so upset because they're banning a poison from the foods you eat. Why weren't you all this angry when they banned building materials made with asbestos?
Rory...I was minding my own business, but you keep following me everywhere. You must be a stalker. I heard about you people on TMZ You need to understand, Righty, you sound more stupid with every keystroke. Just by reading your posts, many of us educated folk lose brain cells. That is a testament to your lack of intelligence. How do you ever learn to use a computer?
When will the government stay the f--k out of our lives. Unbelievable there are people that think the government should be able to tell you what you can/cannot eat but they don't think the government should be able stop you from an abortion. We have got to vote in those who want a smaller government with less regulations on our personal lives.
I will be voting in 2012 and helping others understand where the Tea Baggers are taking us (straight to hell!).
I suggest you go live in Central America. They don't have much government. They don't have taxes. There are no social support or safety nets. They have few, if any government services. There are no consumer protections. It would meet your idea of a perfect government and it's already in operation and established. If you want a politician to do something for you, slip them some cash (just like the Republican Party and big business work together). You will really like it down there.
Barring that, go live in the South somewhere and live with right wing corporate whores, who will serve you in your new state government the way you like. In your new home you can get together with others of like thinking on Wednesday nights and Sunday and quote scriptures from the Bible and tell yourselves how you are properly saved and will most definitely go to heaven because of your genes and because the church you attend is the "right" choice to win eternal salvation. You can also sit around and judge your fellow Americans and curse paying taxes of any type, while expecting to get back from the same government you hate when you turn 67. Your type are what is wrong with America!
Hey PeoriaLib: nice bed wetting rant, liberal! You say Central America doesn't have much government. You mean actual meaningful nations like Argentina, Brazil, and especially Venezuela where Hugo the Horrible has all but run his nation into the ground by government takeover of private enterprise? What planet do you live on?
And another thing: since you hate the South so much like so many other mindless liberals, ask yourself this: why have so many foreign auto manufacturers chosen to build plants there instead of liberal Northeast or union-loving Michigan, Wisconsin, or Washington state? And it's also ironic you mention big business being in bed with Republicans, when GE is in bed CLEARLY with the Obama administration with that BIG GREEN energy nonsense. IF you don't think Democrats suck off the corporate teet as well, then you're an even bigger buffoon than you come across as.
Finally, you mentioned taxes and people cursing at paying taxes. Did you know that nearly HALF the households in the US pay ZERO federal income taxes? Read up much on facts and reality or do you just read the New York Times and watch CNN for your "news" information?
um hate to tell you but the people looking to do this are your elected leaders in IL. These are Repubs and Dems not tea party people...get a clue on how gov works then comment please.
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
Rory...You ran a business for 26 years! That explains it...you must be old. What surprises me is you actually stayed open for that long, what with your lack of overall intelligence. Maybe you were more like a shift supervisor, but if you want to tell everyone you "ran" a business I'll go along with it...wink wink
P.S. I hope you know what the "wink wink" signifies.
This proposed ban does not go far enough, trans fat is a cheap additive used with the sole purpose as a food preservative. The industry is justifying it's continued use with the same old argument business uses with everything else they do that is profitable but creates a hazard to the general pubilc. They claim " freedom of choice" and "no gov't interference with business". The fact is this stuff is a poison that is killing thousands over time and its use is defended in order to protect the bottom line, YOUR HEALTH for THEIR PROFIT plain and simple. The stuff should be banned from all food period. If your to stupid not to eat the stuff the Gov't has a responsibliity to intervene.
Doesn’t go far enough? What else would you like to see banned?
Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Aspartame (NutraSweet), Sucralose (Splenda), Acesulfane K (Acesulfane Potassium), Saccharin (Sweet n Low), Sucrose, Lactose, Glucose, Dextrose, Fructose, Maltose, Galactose (anything that ends in “ose”), cars because their exhaust is toxic?
I think Don is being sarcastic. No one could be that bad of a fascist. If he is, then I think it's time to hold him down and stuff his mouth full of trans-fat, if he truly doesn't believe in freedom of choice.
If you want to eat nitro glycerine that would be fine with me, there would be one explosion and end of story. when you have a cronic condition that is going to eventually kill you but not right away, all wind up paying for you so called personal choices. Freedom of choice is fine, unfortunately I don't have the CHOICE not to subsidize YOUR bad choices when it comes to increased medical and social services costs. When you can come up with a system that makes that happen you can Live on trans fat, tobbaco or roofing nails for that matter.
i would rather the government start intervening with the people that are too stupid to do other things than watch what they eat. How about too stupid to stop driving when you can no longer see? How about too stupid to pay attention to what your kids are doing, or too stupid to care about what your kids are doing? What I do not understand here is that individuals have an absolute right to turn down interventions at a hospital that would save his/her life, but that same person walking down the street does not have the same choice-government wants you to have choices only when institutionalized/hospitalized?
EVERYONE knows that eating junk food is bad for you, duh. It is also bad for you to stand outside in a lightening storm, right. What are they gonna do about that?
And, Don, when you end up in a nursing home, paid for by my tax dollars, with you sitting in a chair, a nursing assistant trying to spoon tapioca into your mouth as it plops down your chin, because you've lived that long being "healthy," I shouldn't have to pay for that either. That's what's going to happen to you so long as you now spend your life trying to be "healthy." I'd rather you get off the treadmill, stuff trans-fat doughtnuts into your mouth, gulp down gallons of beer and smoke cigarettes like a chimney so you fall over dead quickly. At least you would've have fun with your life, rather than acting like a self-righteous "healthy" bitty that's going to cost me more money. Again, face it. You're going to die. It's your choice to die quickly and happily rather than slowly and in misery with me having to pick up the bill for the latter.
Jerry..Hey, don't judge everyone with your asumptions, I bought long term care years ago when you were out buying cars and other toys that have long since been junked. be sure to remind your doctor of your philospy, unforunately when that day actually comes most like you want their life saved at any cost. I am in the small (very small) percentage of the population that is least dependent on the gov't. Like most of you say you are but aren't of course. I didn't pay into or get social security or medicare, but I do pay and a hell of a lot to insure I have medical insurance and will be self sufficient in retirement. YOU DON"T PAY ONE CENT IN INSURNACE COSTS FOR MY HEALTH CARE RELATED TO LIFE STYLE. So a can complain when others make those poor choices at my expense.
Of course I'm paying for your health insurance costs. All of us are. I don't want to pay for you because of your poor choices to live to the point where you get a lingering disease (and you will, no matter what you're doing now) and take up space in a nursing home paid for by all other insurance holders. All insurance premiums are passed onto others who buy those policies so as to "take care" of you when your time comes. The thing is, I don't want to pay for you. Pay for yourself out of your own pocket. It's not my duty to fork over the cost of some nursing assistant trying to shove tapioca into your mouth and clean it up off of the bib tied around your neck as it plops out.
J (duh)...If EVERYONE knows it's bad then tell all your fat friends not to go to the hospital when they have heart disease due to obesity. You getting hit by lightening doesn't cost the gov't (and the public) money, but being fat sure does. DUH...You must be a thirteen year old. Mentally of course, not physically.
Getting kid's off the fating foods is areal good goal ,my mom raised us on fruits for snakes we didn't have Sweet's until our teens. just spent the weekend getting ride of the last of the Easter candy you should know whats in the food you eat. Also encourage physical activity put the kids outside. Started taking the kids on walks around the neighborhood in the afternoon,they love it.
But yes you should know what's in your food an were it comes from...
Your mom fed you snakes? Well, I guess they are low in fat and high in protein.
Anyway, when I was growing up, there was no concern about high-fat, high-cal, high-trans or high-whatever. We ate was put in front of us, but then we were shoved outside for the rest of the day and told not to come back until it was time for dinner. We ate whatever we wanted, including tons of Easter candy, because we went outside and played. It's time for you "modern" parents to do the same thing. And don't give that line that you can't do that because it isn't "safe." Take away your kids' cellphones, their x-boxes, they're erstwhile TV stuff. Stop coddling them and stop thinking they'll be kidnapped if you send them away outside.
Darn "modern" parents....turning their kids into inventors and scientists. Many of whom go on to make discoveries for the better of civilization. Bring back the old days I say. Who needs advancements in technology or science? Not this guy.
Hmmmm......... Education only goes so far. So we will force you to eat what we want you to eat. if there were any doubts, then this should remove them. The nanny state is alive and well.
Dear student-study history, not Fox Mews! Research the ban on DDT, lead in gasoline and all the other stuff that has killed our society and made it's health worse. Then you can put your right wing, racist two cents in while you eat a can of Crisco!
BTW, Illinois is called "the Land of Lincoln". That slogan is named for one of the biggest, mnost liberal presidents in American history. What a joke the current form of his party is today!
The Govenment allowed the goop in the food to begin with, then ignored all kinds of signs it was a huge cause of major illnesses some not treatable reasonably many of those being treated because of these fats are on government assistance or can't afford the treatments and medications to treat these ailments and are then forced on Govenment assistance to stay alive...holy cow, our kids grew up eatting this stuff by the spoonful and we didn't even know it!! Yes!! The government should in fact have it banned, think about it! How much of this sludge do you want your kids eatting and for how long? An entire generation is now a medical experiment as to what this plumbing pudding has done to our arteries...Now how do we treat this? Our bodies can't metabolize it so it floats around till it gets glued some where, how much do you have glued in your body right now causing havoc you can't see? Don't want Government to intervien? Then I don't want to see you complain about your health issues when the time comes!!!
dumpsterdiver, you are so very right!!!
I was brought up eating the crap because it was legal and affordable and my mom didn't know any better and because it was affordable she used it in everything from cakes and pies to frying our Sunday steak dinner or our Wednesday evening pork chops!!! I raised my family the same way because it was still legal and affordable and the government allowed it because their guinea pig experiments weren't over yet! I had a heart attack at age 42 and when I had another one at 44, I lucked out with a stent placement in my artery! That was after I realized what was happening and had lost weight, walked every day like clock-work, changed my eating habits, and read everything I could get my hands on regarding better health! My family is overwhelmed with so many family members dropping dead at age 40 (that includes our in-laws just so no one assumes that our family is just unfortunate enough to suffer from genetic anomalies), they don't know where to begin with changing their habits!! I won't shed a single tear if the government ends up paying a cent toward any of my future needs or the needs of any family members that I claim! I've even read that the government has known all along how dangerous that poison is!! So those of you who feel that you should eat on? Go ahead, however the government should ban anyone who continues to do so from collecting any health benefits for any related diseases!
No matter if it's guns or babies--the right wing doesn't want the government to take away anything they hold sacred. They need to get our mean, oppressive government out of their lives and go live in a third world country!
I am tired of watching the right wing turn the U.S. into a backward country, especially with the idiotic crap they are doing right now all over the country with their radical loony tune lawmakers. It's getting to the point where you can't travel across country any more, because who knows what the law might be in another state. You will probably unknowingly break some law of another state, while it is completely legal in your state.
I like having a government interested in a healthier future for me and my descendants. Manufacturers of all stripes are only responsible for making a profit. If it hurts consumers or others, that's too bad. The government should regulate matters like this that hurt people's health!!
Perhaps we should allow farmers to use DDT again, because it infringes upon their rights to kill us and the enviornment silently? Why not allow the oil refineries to use lead as a valve train lubricant again in gasoline? It's inexpensive and cheap to add to gas!
This trans fat ban is the same thing as the lead or DDT issues-it is bad for our health and it is killing us, so get rid of it. Ban it from the recipes of foods we eat that are unknowingly killing us. This is not a big deal for food manufacturers to revise their recipes and make them healthier. I spent 15 years in the food manufacturing industry and have a MS in food marketing degree from St. Joseph's Univ. in Philadelphia, PA. Do ya think I have any credability on this topic? It's not a big deal for the food manufacturing and restaraunt industry to dump trans fat from their recipes!
You say you're tired of the radical loony tune lawmakers and state you can't travel across country any more, because who knows what the law might be in another state (and this is a state law being discussed, not a national one) and then you state you want a government to regulate matters like this.
No matter if it's guns or babies--the right wing doesn't want the government to take away anything they hold sacred.
Hey drooler: we like PERSONAL FREEDOM and INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. You Nannystate fascistocrat liberals want us all to conform to your worldly Utopian twinkle-toed fairytale land of Oz where everyone is exactly equal in wealth and social status as it would be allocated and bestowed by your beloved Big Government Nannystate. Orwellian at its finest. We won't be dumbed down, and we won't bow down. Eat that!
Independent... Thanks for the information,sure is nice to know which party is corrupt and which isn't, funny though I see as many right wingers in federal prison as left wingers, why is that?
That's it. This is the ticket to get us out of debt. Foods are going to cost more. That means when you buy them in a restaurant or bakery, you'll pay more in sales tax. Pretty sneaky way to raise taxes without raising taxes...
As I have always said...when Uncle Sam pays all my bills and maintains my current lifestyle THEN I will let him tell me how to live...Until then he is just out of luck. Pass whatever laws you want because unjust laws are made to be ignored anyway.
The first studies came out that show that those who live "healthy lives" end up costing more in health-care costs. Why? Because the one who end up getting diseases earlier in life that kill them rather quickly. The "healthy" ones live longer and end up getting diseases that linger for years and years (such as Alzheimer's). The moral of the story? Enjoy life, do what you want to do, eat what you want to eat, drinking what you want to drink, smoke what you want to smoke, lounge around when you want to lounge around. Get sick quickly and drop dead by 63. Or, you can count calories, look at ingredients, run on the treadmill for an hour a day, and end up at 73 languishing in a nursing home for ten or more years, costing the rest of us money. No matter what you do to keep yourself "healthy," you're still going to get sick and die. Face it. I'd rather have someone kicking up their heals and popping off quickly (as I hope to do), than some health-nazi doing "everything right" and costing me (whether through higher insurance premiums or taxes) money by wallowing away in an overpriced nursing home with drool dribbling off of his/her cheek.
Johnny Carson to George Burns (who lived to be a hundred, and paraphrasing here): "George, you're over 90, you drink, you smoke. What does your doctor say to you?"
Sure you may not want the government to tell you what you cant and can eat but this isn't all about you. I think a lot of this has to do with our next generation. The sad fact is that our next generation wont live as long as their parents. And with the number one disease being mainly lifestyle related, we need help. Go ahead and eat dirt if you want to, but would you let your children? Trans fat has evidence that it leads to health problems, is that what we want our children to eat?
Really, is there anyone that doesn't know doughnuts are bad for them. This is what a bunch of STUPID politicians think is important, no wonder this state (and country) are in trouble.
Peoria Guy...why do you assume everyone on the right is a racist. I know many racist Liberals. They spout their liberalism yet comment on blacks shopping at the City Green Market ...sheesh - you can't have it both ways! If you aren't smart enough to not eat trans-fat then you are right, you need the government to make those decisions for you. But I don't think the government should waste their time on this. We have bigger problems than doughnuts!
Yes, and I remember ALAR...or however you spell it on the apple crop. Horror of horrors.........and then, after the economic damage was done.....OOPS. Recent history is FULL of such vacillations........with the force of mis-guided law and media ignorance. If government can tell you what NOT to eat, can SOYLENT GREEN be far behind? Politicians THRIVE (and are re-elected based on media coverage) of causes. Our schools are run by PRISON RULES in which the Bill of Rights is over-ruled by individuals and our streets are not safe. MORE PRISON RULES won't work any better than they have. By today's phobias, I should have been dead DECADES AGO by stuff that has been made to sound deadly, but didn't hurt anyone. We are so stupid to repeat mistakes. Laws only organize civilized and educated people........ NO amount of law can civilize animals. WAKE UP.
Nope. Read review article - link in post #50. The medical community has reached a correct consensus on this particular topic. The real issue is what level of govt intervention is appropriate.
funny how every one blames the government for all the ills we have it seems to me that they try to help people but the people do not want help. so keep on criticizing your government and stuff your face with trans fats and booze and tobacco and die young or get educated about your life styles, and except responsibility for your habits and not expect the government to pick up the tabs for your healthcare or healthcare insurance education is the key but many refuse to read the truth.
Thats right Karen dear. And while you're at it, let the government force Gay and homosexual education on your child each year at school, never mind that they don't know their times tables yet (and yes, they do force it through the gay and lesbian groups. All supposed to be student groups but of course backed by the ADULT counterparts.) or that other, more important issues that effect a wider group of the majority of students, is left unadressed by our schools each year. Such as that the Muslims are claiming that they married into the Native American tribes hundrerds of years ago and therefore have a earlier, more profound right to the Americas then we do. Bet cha' didn't see that one coming! There was a popular country singer several years back that was okay but not great. Then she hit it big with a fantastic hit that she rode to the top and which catapulted her forever into the annuals of Pop history! Yup! Faith Hill. The song? Just Breathe. So I say to you karen, with that lyric in mind...Just read.
Do away with any and all regulations from the evil gov't and trust profit driven business to insure food is healthy, even if it cuts into their profits right? Everything would be much better without the Gov't, the only question is FOR WHO?? Some areas Gov't intervention is needed.
Thank You Karen! If single adults want to eat unhealthy, I don't see a problem with that. It's the selfishness of parents who are buying cheap unhealthy food instead of healthy food, even though it may be a bit more costly. Aside from the health risks, you are setting your children up for bullying which has been in the news alot lately sometimes leading to suicide.
One of the prime reasons for obesity in children is their eating habits as instead of having healthy fruits and vegetables, children are more inclined to have processed snacks, fried foods, burgers, pizzas etc.
One out of every seven low income children in America is obese.
More than 70% of the obese youth are at higher risk of heart diseases.
The hospital costs for children were 35 million in the 1980s and these have increased to 127 million today.
Type 2 diabetes has reached to the levels of 8-9 %; a two-fold increase from the early 1980s.
Obese children are at a higher risk of developing liver diseases, asthma and Sleep Apnea (problems in breathing while sleeping).
Children with obesity have a low self-esteem and the chances of developing psychological problems like depression and anxiety are higher.
Obese children have lesser concentration levels and get tired easily, which can pose challenges in their education and their participation in other extra-curricular activities.
Obese children are subject to a lot of social discrimination and this may cause them to stay away from exercises and social interactions.
Most of the people who complain of arthritis are middle-aged, but obese children are at the risk of developing this disease early on in their lives.
Obesity also takes a toll on the financial health of a family as estimates suggest that a family with an obese child spends 30% more in health costs and 77% more in medication costs.
shes right. in an already stressed healthcare system why allow rich and poor alike to harm themselves by unknowingly eating a very unhealthy man-made vegetable oil. even worse, if they are uninsured poor people then the life-saving procedures they require down the road will be passed on to other hospital customers. hear that you "I'll do what I want" people? even you wealthy folks will pay for the poor choices of everyone. You pay a health insurance premium? How do you think they make up the unpaid bills? Passing it on to us all.
The government shouldn't be making these kinds of decisions. They need to butt out of this and start trying to figure out how to get our budget (the Illinois budget that is), under control.
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What's next, putting chemicals in water supplies to control population lol.
Agree. Gov should be spending 5 Trillion over 10 years to kill a guy we have yet to prove exists..
wait.....
Frank...So dumb, so naive. You do realize that overweight and obese people cost the US healthcare system over $150 BILLION. Half of which is paid for by Medicare and Medicaid. All this money could be saved if people would just eat right and get off their butts and exercise. This spending can be AVOIDED. This is why having a healthy America will save the overall country hundreds of billions of dollars annually. So, since you're so worried about the budget you should be promoting a healthy lifestyle. Yet, we Americans love to blame other people for our problems. It's much easier to tell others to change instead of changing ourselves.
shazam the man, you do realize that 99.9% of the overweight and obese people in the US have done it to themselves by not using self control?
Do you realize that people who live long and health lives not only eat right & exercise, but see a doctor for regular check-ups every year. That is called preventative maintenance of the human body.
If everybody went to the doctor once a year to get checked out, then the cost of obesity would go down. Don't listen to doctor's advice on eating right & exercise early on? Sorry, pay for it out of your own pocket.
yes let the obese people keep eating trans fat! Let themselves gorge on fast food and junk food until they cant walk anymore! YES lets us, the taxpayers pay for their healthcare when they have heart disease! Let the poor people of the world starve to DEATH just so the obese Americans can keep their RIGHT to gorge themselves on the stuff they consider "food" REALLY?! Morons
they better also look at banning carbs also, because the body converts them to triglicerides. and what other food product can we do away with. i know, we just put everypne on iv feedings with all essential nutrients included. big brother government will take care of everyone. kind of like an old movie i think. or we could simply make people take some responsibility for their lives, instead of allowing obesity to be a reason to collect disability.
Ya know----first it was smoking, now it is trans fat, what's next? Allowing people with age related dementia to die off (soylent green is PEOPLE!) because they have lived so long thanks to the health police?
As for the obese---let them eat cake----I call it slow suicide. BUT REMEMBER not everyone who is obese got that way eating; there is probably 20% who are obese due to medications and / or disease.
"You can't eat that... the government says so." I think the government has better things to worry about. Things like how fat and bloated our national debt has become.....
You need to reaize that a great portion of our budget goes to health casre (and will increase over the coming years). THREFORE, we need to eliminate the fauz foods and additives (chemicals) that are contributing to our health care costs. Everyone should recognize who are enemies and who are friends or neutrals, and ir you think the giant agribusines is a better friend than the scientists and government, then I own a toxic waste dump (a small one) I'd like to sell you!
Longhair, I don't understand what you are trying to argue? You're advocating regular health visits and responsible eating and I agree with you, which you might be able to tell if you read my original post.
I don't care what's said about Transfats... this is government overstepping it's bounds. Big brother is upon us.
If I want to eat dirt... the government can't stop me... but they are trying to stop me from eating my favorite doughnuts. Tyranny at it's best!
Prohibiting the ingredient is really one step too far. Compelling the producers to offer a transfat-free option would be quite another thing, and a sensible one.
And, by the way, you know what is the closest-tasting margarine substitute? Natural butter. No transfat whatsoever, though loads of calories and cholesterol. In fact, not just closest- tasting, but for most people better-tasting. Given a choice, I'd go for natural butter version. And that extra calories and cholesterol? To hell with it, most of us will be put on statins at some point in our lives anyway.
Anonymous user,
You sound like a idiot..You will not taste the differents when you eat your freaking fat Ass Doughnuts.
You might pay acouple of cents more, big deal. You sound too young to understand what trans-fat does to you heart, and organs, besides becoming a diabetic. Give me Organic butter anytime, and throw out Procsess foods, such as your fake butter, Margarine. YUCK.
Even if you do not have health insurance, I'm tired of paying for your people coming to our ERs sick, and We have to pay for your Lard ASS.
You should know, NOT everyone is going to be on Statins, cause we care about what we put into our Body's.
I might add, more people might be going to fast foods, drive throughs, as there will not be any Trans-fat junk in there fast foods anymore. Many people do not realize the junk they where eating in there foods. Besides there is Not any signs up in resturants showing what your eating. When you go marketing you have the choice of of reading what is in the food, but Not in a Resturant.
Brian...You won't even taste the difference in the donuts. I meanwhile will still have to see your fat butt wobbling down the street and the money taken for Medicare will go towards treating your heart disease because you, like millions of other Americans, have eaten themselves to death.
Either way, it is sort of the risk you take when eating junk food and I think if someone will be so effected by the trans-fats they are not eating healthy in the first place. This is an unnecessary change for people to make. A little won't hurt you but it's a problem because people can't control themselves. Maybe we should focus on assisting citizens in self control instead, but that would mean that the government has to pay instead of it's citizens so that wont happen.
Don't be so mean people----YES you can taste the difference the other point being is that if you clarify butter (remove fat solids) it is no worse for you than margarine and tastes much better.
It is called GHEE and ghee is good. It also has an extremely long shelf life.
Cali Woman---Please stay in your consistently polluted land with your gangs and drive by killings.---IF I were you I'd be more worried about those than what people in Ill or any other state are eating. AFter all WE have to pay to support your criminals too.
You're right! Government can't stop you from being stupid or eating dirt, but they SHOULD be able to prohibit companies from adding tasty poison to it and selling it to you.
Your favorite doughnuts, idiot (with a cute Swartzenhagger accent) can be made for you with natural oils that will clog your arteries much more slowly, or maybe not at all.
Tyranny??? My god, you don't have the foggiest!
Living in Illinois and knowing the condition of the state economy, surely the state government could put their efforts to better use!
Agree Brian. Underemployment is about 65% here and they are looking at this?
Obesity cost states and the nation hundreds of billions of dollars annually in relation to healthcare. If you want to save money we need a healthier public. Plain and simple.
Rory...You obviously don't know how the world works. You probably still believe in Santa as well.
Dear Lawmakers ....... It's my money as well as my body, let "ME" decide what to eat!
Poor food choices of the majority of the population makes them sicker overall and that raises health care costs, in turn raising premiums. So, you don't just choose for yourself.
But to have politicians deciding for you what is best for you? Naaa!!! I don't think so. They've been bought'in by somebody, i'm sorry!!
When are they going to ban genetically engineered food stuffs like certain grains eg. corn etc?
How about banning antibiotic being fed to animals/poultry etc.
How about banning growth hormones being fed to these animals/ poultry etc?
How about banning some of these pesticides etc that are harmful to humans......
Isn't it time for organic products.... to be the norm?
Now we hear it is good to eat eggs again...... now we know that humans need a certain amount of cholesterol anyway and not all cholesterol is bad for a person.....
Remember when red wine was a no no a few years back .....then oh... a glass of wine is good for the digestion......
Perhap it is time to just encourage moderation instead of greed or gluttony or simply overeating....... whether it is fast food or health foods...
On the other hand oftentimes it is the over processed food that is the most inexpensive to purchase.....Check the taste and price of fruits and veggies ..... many are utterly tasteless and beyond expensive....
Perhaps it is time to raise wages for sure..... Oh yeah, but some polititians especially of the republican persuasion, want to do away with even a minimum wage.... but they want us to eat what we can't even afford.
Perhaps at the next jobs interview.... you should remind the recruiter that ....you will work for food......LOL
You know ... when the recruiter tell of the pittance per hour you can tell them that pay you in food ...organic of course.....and gas....LOL
So what's next are we not to ingest..... even as our water, air land and sea are being poluted, and that is finding its way back into the food we eat and water we drink.....Hmmmm
Yeah..... I feel healthy already....
Thank goodness, it is not THAT transfat... it tastes just like this sans fat ......
that Yummmmy OL E O.....LOL
Psssst..... No one lives forever..... death like taxes, is the only thing we can be sure of.....because at some point in our lives we are going to have to pay up and give it up, thus we are all going to turn up our toes...... LOL
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
shazam that you WANT to live in a highly restrictive environment speaks volumes about you.
many people who have been institutionalized for long periods of time have difficulties living in a freer environment.
They, like you enjoy and feel more secure having their every moment scheduled and being told what to do, when to do it, and what to think.
You have my pity and I suggest you look deep into yourself and discover why you have issues with the ability to have and make personal choices.
I do hope you learn to cope with even a modicum of personal independence.
Lexiwords...You've lost it. You're seriously angry that they're removing a poison from your foods and you want to be able to choose whether to eat it or not? My asbestos metaphor is showing you how dumb that thinking is. You're talking about me not being free? You know whose not free? People who work 9-5 every single day come home eat, sleep and then do the same thing day after day after day. We're all slaves to our everyday hum drum lives. I for one feel free as a bird as I am very distant from such a lifestyle, but you assumed differently. Shows what you know.
Lexiwords...And you must be overweight. Am I right? Who am I kidding, you won't tell the truth, everyone online is healthy and fit.
It's a great idea to get rid of the trans-fat. When the companies value the almighty dollar rather than your health, and you like a big dummy continue to buy their product, it shows disrespect for yourself. If the state and "other powers that be" cant get the petition into law, the FDA should be made to mandate bakeries, etc. to post the same warnings and lable contents on large signs in full public view so consumers who are unknowingly poisioning themselves are informed about what the doughnut or any other non-labeled food products are required, by law, to disclose.
Notify me, fine. But don't dictate to me what I can and can not eat. My second hand trans fat breath isn't going to hurt anyone.
True, but in this health insurance for profit system we have, we all pay higher medical insurance rates due to your poor health choices.
No you don't don nielsen. You don't pay a penny for me and my choices. You want to blame the wrong group of people for your increased health insurance premiums. If you want to blame someone, blame the millions of illegals that suck the system dry.
Your crazy, insurance companies work strictly on profit and loss, if you don't have a policy with them, then they couldn't less who or what you are. There are lots of costs connected with wetbacks, but this isn't one of them. Now if you don't have insurance then your right, my rates aren't adjusted for your pesronal choices, however hospitals cannot refuse the uninsured for emergency services and that does reflect on what I pay to use the hospital. That goes for both illegals and persons here legally.
Don nielson....I dont care what rates go up and for what reason...in no way shape or form does that grant any goverment the right to invade an individuals privacy or dictate what will and will not be consumed.
Your crappy driving affects my car insurance but does that mean the goverment has a right to tell you exactly how to drive by say putting a camera in your car and monitoring your activity?
The point is, if you dont like what I eat to bad, there are thing that you do that other people do not like and they simply deal with it.
Besides, I would think there are many more pressing issues that would demand the attention of the goverments on every level that is within their powers to mandate and resolve.
Be careful of what you wish for, when it comes you may not like the result.
America first... You may not care, but it's not about ONLY you, others do care. Secondly, you don't know how I drive so "WTF" are you talking about??? This issue is about limiting others liability for YOUR health choices. Like I said elsewhere on this post, when you come up with a system that doesn't hold others accountable in higher rates for insurance and social services for your life style choices then I too support your right to kill yourself anyway you wish.
so since I'm not insured you shouldn't care about my right to eat trans fats except that the big brother gooberment is telling me I can't buy it. Sure ,now it's just restaurants, bakeries and vending machines. Next it will be every trace of trans fat. the high calorie items, and then high cholesterol foods. When does it stop? I say NOW!
WRONG, Don. It's the INDIVIDUAL first in this nation. So Don, tell us Mr. Big Government Nannystatist lover: exactly what point would you say the government was overstepping its bounds in YOUR individual lifestyle and choices? The bed you sleep in?The clothes you wear? The amount of miles you drive? Where you vacation? The light bulbs you use or the car you drive? (Oh wait scratch those two - that's already happening).
You keep your fascist loving mentality and crooked politicians drunk on Nannystate power out of our lives. We'll choose what WE WANT FOR OURSELVES.
I'm sure all you people contribute through payroll taxes to Medicare and Medicaid. What is happening is you are giving money to the government to fund these programs and that money is being spent on healthcare costs associated with obesity, because you want to be "free" to eat fatty foods. Doesn't that sound foolish? Why wouldn't you want to eat healthy and reduce the cost burden on the nation? Oh right, I forgot...."Amuuuurica First"...puuuhlease. Actions speak louder than words. A fat US public is hurting American interests, but you all are too dumb to see that.
shazam-----medicare / medicade SSI/SSA raided for the war chest----I find it annoying that you can make that statement when the death gov of arizona has already sentenced people who used to work to death because they had defective organs (not obese) and she didn't feel they DESERVED the opportunity to become once again productive members of society.
lexiwords...Use punctuation marks, your babbling nonsense is incoherent. From what I could take away, I still think you are uttering nonsense though. I'm talking about paying health bills for people who love their donuts too much and you're rambling about death panels or something.
The Illinois legislature is attempting good, responsible government. Transfat, Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup are responsible for many health problems and early death among Americans. Government has no greater need for being, than to protect those it governs from their own excesses, which generally always victimize the non indulgent and especially the marginally and disenfranchised classes. I hope Illinois is successful and this good governance spreads to all the other states.
Good lord get the govt out of our lives with bans, etc. If I don't WANT to eat healthy thats my business. Inform me, but don't order me. A continuation of this nanny attitude will cause me to want to die early.
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
Rory...In case you missed it, I'm using sarcasm as a form of a metaphor. I doubt you know what those 2 big words are. From your previous posts, I assume your IQ is in the low 40's give or take 5.
Note to Liberal Big Govt Lovers: BUTT OUT
It's not for you to decide what kind of fat people can put in their food. You can make restauranteurs perhaps give accurate information about what is in their recipes, but it is not your job to stop people from getting fat. It is a personal responsibility to not become a fat pig. We don't need your Nanny State nonsense of telling everyone exactly what they have to do in every instance.
These Big Govt scum will have a law dictating every aspect of your life except killing your unborn or getting married if you're queer. Those you will have rights concerning.
Heck yeah....Darn liberals. They showed Obama's long form birth certificate, but I still don't believe them. The are hiding something. I don't even know if Obama is Obama. That is the real question.....Ya know?
Totally. Get big government out of our faces so big business can screw us over.
Rory...You sound like caveman. You must believe in incest huh?
shazam the man: I'm with you. Rory may be a practitioner. Chesty is obviously defending his fat head.
is Illinois in competition with the nut bags in Calif ???
Obviously they are. When you consider the size difference Illinois is in worse financial shape than California. In comparison to Illinois California is a well run financially prudent state.
At least the politicians in California can legitimately make the claim that the majority of the states problems have been brought on by the voters themselves through the countless initiatives on every ballot.
This trans fat ban was the only bit of wackiness that California could use to claim the title of most dysfunctional state.
I doubt if either of you live in IL. So butt out-it's not your business.
bit touchy there are we? Truth hurt?
California and IL just got about 100 miles closer together after this article was written.
i live in illinois.... it's all messed up !!!!
I'd nut bag you...in the face
Apparently competing with "nut bags" from all over, and hopefully winning.
they should all be made to leave the salt out , with all the fats and sodiums put in the processed foods and meats , we are becoming an obese nation with high blood pressure , heart desease and so on and we must get active again to burn the fat off and keep it off or big price to pay in healthcare costs and early deaths.
I guess they forgot to add that little snippet of information on how all the hormones in animals and chemicals in seeds and soil today, cause most of that fat and illness they are trying you put off on cigarettes and trans fats. Not to mention whatever they are pelting us with in chem trails. But, I always forget that not everyone took that free education the government offered over the years and learned simple techniques like research, reading, research..you know, the stuff that helps you get at the truth? MODERATION has always been the rule of thumb. Salt and fat are not bad for you, in fact, your body needs a certain amount of salt AND fat. But like any other topic, when sides are drawn, moderation is thrown out the window.
karen, wow you do not know much about the purpose of salt. Without the mean old sodium you cannot preserve meat among other things. I personally do not add salt to my food, I use pepper or Mrs dash, but I know sodium in the food is usually already enough so why add any. At the same time, I do not tell others how to eat, that is their choice and their responsability to educate themselves.
Karen - And while they're at it they can ban nitrites and nitrates, corn syrup, MSG, all dyes and preservatives, then we'll be back to where we were 100 years ago. Maybe not a bad idea, but we will have to keep salt to salt down the herring and cure the ham.
SEE! The Republicans and Democrats have more in common than you realize. You're both the same. NOW stop fighting! >:-(
Whats it take to get some peace and quiet in this country. You're pissin off the Natives.
Ms. Dash is carcinogenic and she was born in Kenya.
HAHAHA...I can't believe you all are so upset because they're banning a poison from the foods you eat. Why weren't you all this angry when they banned building materials made with asbestos?
Rory...I was minding my own business, but you keep following me everywhere. You must be a stalker. I heard about you people on TMZ You need to understand, Righty, you sound more stupid with every keystroke. Just by reading your posts, many of us educated folk lose brain cells. That is a testament to your lack of intelligence. How do you ever learn to use a computer?
When will the government stay the f--k out of our lives. Unbelievable there are people that think the government should be able to tell you what you can/cannot eat but they don't think the government should be able stop you from an abortion. We have got to vote in those who want a smaller government with less regulations on our personal lives.
I will be voting in 2012 and helping others understand where the Tea Baggers are taking us (straight to hell!).
I suggest you go live in Central America. They don't have much government. They don't have taxes. There are no social support or safety nets. They have few, if any government services. There are no consumer protections. It would meet your idea of a perfect government and it's already in operation and established. If you want a politician to do something for you, slip them some cash (just like the Republican Party and big business work together). You will really like it down there.
Barring that, go live in the South somewhere and live with right wing corporate whores, who will serve you in your new state government the way you like. In your new home you can get together with others of like thinking on Wednesday nights and Sunday and quote scriptures from the Bible and tell yourselves how you are properly saved and will most definitely go to heaven because of your genes and because the church you attend is the "right" choice to win eternal salvation. You can also sit around and judge your fellow Americans and curse paying taxes of any type, while expecting to get back from the same government you hate when you turn 67. Your type are what is wrong with America!
I liked that statement and I agree with it.
They should expect to get back at 67 when robbed for 50 years to pay for what you get back.
Hey PeoriaLib: nice bed wetting rant, liberal! You say Central America doesn't have much government. You mean actual meaningful nations like Argentina, Brazil, and especially Venezuela where Hugo the Horrible has all but run his nation into the ground by government takeover of private enterprise? What planet do you live on?
And another thing: since you hate the South so much like so many other mindless liberals, ask yourself this: why have so many foreign auto manufacturers chosen to build plants there instead of liberal Northeast or union-loving Michigan, Wisconsin, or Washington state? And it's also ironic you mention big business being in bed with Republicans, when GE is in bed CLEARLY with the Obama administration with that BIG GREEN energy nonsense. IF you don't think Democrats suck off the corporate teet as well, then you're an even bigger buffoon than you come across as.
Finally, you mentioned taxes and people cursing at paying taxes. Did you know that nearly HALF the households in the US pay ZERO federal income taxes? Read up much on facts and reality or do you just read the New York Times and watch CNN for your "news" information?
Gee, PeoriaGuy, YOU blame others for judging fellow Americans? Do you call them hypocrites too? Hello pot, meet kettle.
PeoriaGuy...
um hate to tell you but the people looking to do this are your elected leaders in IL. These are Repubs and Dems not tea party people...get a clue on how gov works then comment please.
Amen brother....When I found out they stopped putting asbestos in building materials I was beyond upset. I don't care if it causes lung cancer if I want my house to be built with cancerous substances then it's MY RIGHT. I imported some special building supplies, constructed a house, and am living well in my asbestos villa. I do have considerable difficulty breathing, but who cares if I die at a young age. I feel better telling the government to shove it.
Rory...You ran a business for 26 years! That explains it...you must be old. What surprises me is you actually stayed open for that long, what with your lack of overall intelligence. Maybe you were more like a shift supervisor, but if you want to tell everyone you "ran" a business I'll go along with it...wink wink
P.S. I hope you know what the "wink wink" signifies.
This proposed ban does not go far enough, trans fat is a cheap additive used with the sole purpose as a food preservative. The industry is justifying it's continued use with the same old argument business uses with everything else they do that is profitable but creates a hazard to the general pubilc. They claim " freedom of choice" and "no gov't interference with business". The fact is this stuff is a poison that is killing thousands over time and its use is defended in order to protect the bottom line, YOUR HEALTH for THEIR PROFIT plain and simple. The stuff should be banned from all food period. If your to stupid not to eat the stuff the Gov't has a responsibliity to intervene.
Doesn’t go far enough? What else would you like to see banned?
Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Aspartame (NutraSweet), Sucralose (Splenda), Acesulfane K (Acesulfane Potassium), Saccharin (Sweet n Low), Sucrose, Lactose, Glucose, Dextrose, Fructose, Maltose, Galactose (anything that ends in “ose”), cars because their exhaust is toxic?
I think Don is being sarcastic. No one could be that bad of a fascist. If he is, then I think it's time to hold him down and stuff his mouth full of trans-fat, if he truly doesn't believe in freedom of choice.
If you want to eat nitro glycerine that would be fine with me, there would be one explosion and end of story. when you have a cronic condition that is going to eventually kill you but not right away, all wind up paying for you so called personal choices. Freedom of choice is fine, unfortunately I don't have the CHOICE not to subsidize YOUR bad choices when it comes to increased medical and social services costs. When you can come up with a system that makes that happen you can Live on trans fat, tobbaco or roofing nails for that matter.
Hear, Hear Don.
lol someone feeling the pain from the new heath care reform I think.
Newsflash, this is the old system that the insurance companies spent millions in lobbyists salaries and politican payoffs to insure stayed in place.
i would rather the government start intervening with the people that are too stupid to do other things than watch what they eat. How about too stupid to stop driving when you can no longer see? How about too stupid to pay attention to what your kids are doing, or too stupid to care about what your kids are doing? What I do not understand here is that individuals have an absolute right to turn down interventions at a hospital that would save his/her life, but that same person walking down the street does not have the same choice-government wants you to have choices only when institutionalized/hospitalized?
EVERYONE knows that eating junk food is bad for you, duh. It is also bad for you to stand outside in a lightening storm, right. What are they gonna do about that?
And, Don, when you end up in a nursing home, paid for by my tax dollars, with you sitting in a chair, a nursing assistant trying to spoon tapioca into your mouth as it plops down your chin, because you've lived that long being "healthy," I shouldn't have to pay for that either. That's what's going to happen to you so long as you now spend your life trying to be "healthy." I'd rather you get off the treadmill, stuff trans-fat doughtnuts into your mouth, gulp down gallons of beer and smoke cigarettes like a chimney so you fall over dead quickly. At least you would've have fun with your life, rather than acting like a self-righteous "healthy" bitty that's going to cost me more money. Again, face it. You're going to die. It's your choice to die quickly and happily rather than slowly and in misery with me having to pick up the bill for the latter.
Jerry..Hey, don't judge everyone with your asumptions, I bought long term care years ago when you were out buying cars and other toys that have long since been junked. be sure to remind your doctor of your philospy, unforunately when that day actually comes most like you want their life saved at any cost. I am in the small (very small) percentage of the population that is least dependent on the gov't. Like most of you say you are but aren't of course. I didn't pay into or get social security or medicare, but I do pay and a hell of a lot to insure I have medical insurance and will be self sufficient in retirement. YOU DON"T PAY ONE CENT IN INSURNACE COSTS FOR MY HEALTH CARE RELATED TO LIFE STYLE. So a can complain when others make those poor choices at my expense.
Don, Don, Don,
Of course I'm paying for your health insurance costs. All of us are. I don't want to pay for you because of your poor choices to live to the point where you get a lingering disease (and you will, no matter what you're doing now) and take up space in a nursing home paid for by all other insurance holders. All insurance premiums are passed onto others who buy those policies so as to "take care" of you when your time comes. The thing is, I don't want to pay for you. Pay for yourself out of your own pocket. It's not my duty to fork over the cost of some nursing assistant trying to shove tapioca into your mouth and clean it up off of the bib tied around your neck as it plops out.
Frank...I'd like to see you banned from using the computer.
J (duh)...If EVERYONE knows it's bad then tell all your fat friends not to go to the hospital when they have heart disease due to obesity. You getting hit by lightening doesn't cost the gov't (and the public) money, but being fat sure does. DUH...You must be a thirteen year old. Mentally of course, not physically.
Why would you like to see me banned from using the computer? Because I won't just blindly accept what the government wants to do?
Getting kid's off the fating foods is areal good goal ,my mom raised us on fruits for snakes we didn't have Sweet's until our teens. just spent the weekend getting ride of the last of the Easter candy you should know whats in the food you eat. Also encourage physical activity put the kids outside. Started taking the kids on walks around the neighborhood in the afternoon,they love it.
But yes you should know what's in your food an were it comes from...
Your mom fed you snakes? Well, I guess they are low in fat and high in protein.
Anyway, when I was growing up, there was no concern about high-fat, high-cal, high-trans or high-whatever. We ate was put in front of us, but then we were shoved outside for the rest of the day and told not to come back until it was time for dinner. We ate whatever we wanted, including tons of Easter candy, because we went outside and played. It's time for you "modern" parents to do the same thing. And don't give that line that you can't do that because it isn't "safe." Take away your kids' cellphones, their x-boxes, they're erstwhile TV stuff. Stop coddling them and stop thinking they'll be kidnapped if you send them away outside.
fruits and snakes? hehe
Darn "modern" parents....turning their kids into inventors and scientists. Many of whom go on to make discoveries for the better of civilization. Bring back the old days I say. Who needs advancements in technology or science? Not this guy.
Yes he does, but nothing worth reading.
Hmmmm......... Education only goes so far. So we will force you to eat what we want you to eat. if there were any doubts, then this should remove them. The nanny state is alive and well.
Dear student-study history, not Fox Mews! Research the ban on DDT, lead in gasoline and all the other stuff that has killed our society and made it's health worse. Then you can put your right wing, racist two cents in while you eat a can of Crisco!
BTW, Illinois is called "the Land of Lincoln". That slogan is named for one of the biggest, mnost liberal presidents in American history. What a joke the current form of his party is today!
Another angry lib. Why would you want to control everyone else when you cannot even control you own emotions.
What education? Most of America is occupied by fools. Can't you tell by reading this message board?
The Govenment allowed the goop in the food to begin with, then ignored all kinds of signs it was a huge cause of major illnesses some not treatable reasonably many of those being treated because of these fats are on government assistance or can't afford the treatments and medications to treat these ailments and are then forced on Govenment assistance to stay alive...holy cow, our kids grew up eatting this stuff by the spoonful and we didn't even know it!! Yes!! The government should in fact have it banned, think about it! How much of this sludge do you want your kids eatting and for how long? An entire generation is now a medical experiment as to what this plumbing pudding has done to our arteries...Now how do we treat this? Our bodies can't metabolize it so it floats around till it gets glued some where, how much do you have glued in your body right now causing havoc you can't see? Don't want Government to intervien? Then I don't want to see you complain about your health issues when the time comes!!!
dumpsterdiver, you are so very right!!!
I was brought up eating the crap because it was legal and affordable and my mom didn't know any better and because it was affordable she used it in everything from cakes and pies to frying our Sunday steak dinner or our Wednesday evening pork chops!!! I raised my family the same way because it was still legal and affordable and the government allowed it because their guinea pig experiments weren't over yet! I had a heart attack at age 42 and when I had another one at 44, I lucked out with a stent placement in my artery! That was after I realized what was happening and had lost weight, walked every day like clock-work, changed my eating habits, and read everything I could get my hands on regarding better health! My family is overwhelmed with so many family members dropping dead at age 40 (that includes our in-laws just so no one assumes that our family is just unfortunate enough to suffer from genetic anomalies), they don't know where to begin with changing their habits!! I won't shed a single tear if the government ends up paying a cent toward any of my future needs or the needs of any family members that I claim! I've even read that the government has known all along how dangerous that poison is!! So those of you who feel that you should eat on? Go ahead, however the government should ban anyone who continues to do so from collecting any health benefits for any related diseases!
It's people. Soylent Green is made out of people. But no trans fat.
The patties solylent is made from is people that ate trans fats and died early.
No matter if it's guns or babies--the right wing doesn't want the government to take away anything they hold sacred. They need to get our mean, oppressive government out of their lives and go live in a third world country!
I am tired of watching the right wing turn the U.S. into a backward country, especially with the idiotic crap they are doing right now all over the country with their radical loony tune lawmakers. It's getting to the point where you can't travel across country any more, because who knows what the law might be in another state. You will probably unknowingly break some law of another state, while it is completely legal in your state.
I like having a government interested in a healthier future for me and my descendants. Manufacturers of all stripes are only responsible for making a profit. If it hurts consumers or others, that's too bad. The government should regulate matters like this that hurt people's health!!
Perhaps we should allow farmers to use DDT again, because it infringes upon their rights to kill us and the enviornment silently? Why not allow the oil refineries to use lead as a valve train lubricant again in gasoline? It's inexpensive and cheap to add to gas!
This trans fat ban is the same thing as the lead or DDT issues-it is bad for our health and it is killing us, so get rid of it. Ban it from the recipes of foods we eat that are unknowingly killing us. This is not a big deal for food manufacturers to revise their recipes and make them healthier. I spent 15 years in the food manufacturing industry and have a MS in food marketing degree from St. Joseph's Univ. in Philadelphia, PA. Do ya think I have any credability on this topic? It's not a big deal for the food manufacturing and restaraunt industry to dump trans fat from their recipes!
You say you're tired of the radical loony tune lawmakers and state you can't travel across country any more, because who knows what the law might be in another state (and this is a state law being discussed, not a national one) and then you state you want a government to regulate matters like this.
Me thinks you are sounding a bit wishy washy
Hey drooler: we like PERSONAL FREEDOM and INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. You Nannystate fascistocrat liberals want us all to conform to your worldly Utopian twinkle-toed fairytale land of Oz where everyone is exactly equal in wealth and social status as it would be allocated and bestowed by your beloved Big Government Nannystate. Orwellian at its finest. We won't be dumbed down, and we won't bow down. Eat that!
The Illinois budget is bililons in the red for this year alone despite a 40% tax increase and this is what they have to worry about.
Of course, anything to divert attention from an extraordinarily corrupt government dominated by left wingers from Chicago.
Most of those red billions was spent for health care for people going to the emergency rooms because of ignorance of healthy food decisions
Independent... Thanks for the information,sure is nice to know which party is corrupt and which isn't, funny though I see as many right wingers in federal prison as left wingers, why is that?
That's it. This is the ticket to get us out of debt. Foods are going to cost more. That means when you buy them in a restaurant or bakery, you'll pay more in sales tax. Pretty sneaky way to raise taxes without raising taxes...
I was wondering if I could get a wake up call from the Government for 6:30 am.
They seem to want to take control of every other aspect of my life.
Yes you may, and then you can go for a three mile goverment mandated run before you go to work.
Maybe thats what I need to loose those last 10 pounds. Please goverment save me from myself.
As I have always said...when Uncle Sam pays all my bills and maintains my current lifestyle THEN I will let him tell me how to live...Until then he is just out of luck. Pass whatever laws you want because unjust laws are made to be ignored anyway.
The first studies came out that show that those who live "healthy lives" end up costing more in health-care costs. Why? Because the one who end up getting diseases earlier in life that kill them rather quickly. The "healthy" ones live longer and end up getting diseases that linger for years and years (such as Alzheimer's). The moral of the story? Enjoy life, do what you want to do, eat what you want to eat, drinking what you want to drink, smoke what you want to smoke, lounge around when you want to lounge around. Get sick quickly and drop dead by 63. Or, you can count calories, look at ingredients, run on the treadmill for an hour a day, and end up at 73 languishing in a nursing home for ten or more years, costing the rest of us money. No matter what you do to keep yourself "healthy," you're still going to get sick and die. Face it. I'd rather have someone kicking up their heals and popping off quickly (as I hope to do), than some health-nazi doing "everything right" and costing me (whether through higher insurance premiums or taxes) money by wallowing away in an overpriced nursing home with drool dribbling off of his/her cheek.
Johnny Carson to George Burns (who lived to be a hundred, and paraphrasing here): "George, you're over 90, you drink, you smoke. What does your doctor say to you?"
George Burns: "My doctor's dead."
The Dr. said "what's your secret Georgie?
"besides, I know a lot more old drunks than I know old doctors"
Sure you may not want the government to tell you what you cant and can eat but this isn't all about you. I think a lot of this has to do with our next generation. The sad fact is that our next generation wont live as long as their parents. And with the number one disease being mainly lifestyle related, we need help. Go ahead and eat dirt if you want to, but would you let your children? Trans fat has evidence that it leads to health problems, is that what we want our children to eat?
How about not being so lazy and YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO EAT HEALTHY!!
It's not the providence of a special interest group to change the world to what they deem it should be. Educate, not legislate!!!
Really, is there anyone that doesn't know doughnuts are bad for them. This is what a bunch of STUPID politicians think is important, no wonder this state (and country) are in trouble.
Obviously not. Have you taken a look out your window lately? You see many fit people walking around? I sure as hell don't. That's why I watch porn.
Peoria Guy...why do you assume everyone on the right is a racist. I know many racist Liberals. They spout their liberalism yet comment on blacks shopping at the City Green Market ...sheesh - you can't have it both ways! If you aren't smart enough to not eat trans-fat then you are right, you need the government to make those decisions for you. But I don't think the government should waste their time on this. We have bigger problems than doughnuts!
Yes, and I remember ALAR...or however you spell it on the apple crop. Horror of horrors.........and then, after the economic damage was done.....OOPS. Recent history is FULL of such vacillations........with the force of mis-guided law and media ignorance. If government can tell you what NOT to eat, can SOYLENT GREEN be far behind? Politicians THRIVE (and are re-elected based on media coverage) of causes. Our schools are run by PRISON RULES in which the Bill of Rights is over-ruled by individuals and our streets are not safe. MORE PRISON RULES won't work any better than they have. By today's phobias, I should have been dead DECADES AGO by stuff that has been made to sound deadly, but didn't hurt anyone. We are so stupid to repeat mistakes. Laws only organize civilized and educated people........ NO amount of law can civilize animals. WAKE UP.
Pat George
One nice thing about government rules on food....they change. Next study out will find trans fats are essential to liver functions.
yeah, except this one has always been constant. a plaque like substance in your arteries isn't good for anything. Its man-made, enough said.
Bill -
Nope. Read review article - link in post #50. The medical community has reached a correct consensus on this particular topic. The real issue is what level of govt intervention is appropriate.
funny how every one blames the government for all the ills we have it seems to me that they try to help people but the people do not want help. so keep on criticizing your government and stuff your face with trans fats and booze and tobacco and die young or get educated about your life styles, and except responsibility for your habits and not expect the government to pick up the tabs for your healthcare or healthcare insurance education is the key but many refuse to read the truth.
Thats right Karen dear. And while you're at it, let the government force Gay and homosexual education on your child each year at school, never mind that they don't know their times tables yet (and yes, they do force it through the gay and lesbian groups. All supposed to be student groups but of course backed by the ADULT counterparts.) or that other, more important issues that effect a wider group of the majority of students, is left unadressed by our schools each year. Such as that the Muslims are claiming that they married into the Native American tribes hundrerds of years ago and therefore have a earlier, more profound right to the Americas then we do. Bet cha' didn't see that one coming! There was a popular country singer several years back that was okay but not great. Then she hit it big with a fantastic hit that she rode to the top and which catapulted her forever into the annuals of Pop history! Yup! Faith Hill. The song? Just Breathe. So I say to you karen, with that lyric in mind...Just read.
Do away with any and all regulations from the evil gov't and trust profit driven business to insure food is healthy, even if it cuts into their profits right? Everything would be much better without the Gov't, the only question is FOR WHO?? Some areas Gov't intervention is needed.
Thank You Karen! If single adults want to eat unhealthy, I don't see a problem with that. It's the selfishness of parents who are buying cheap unhealthy food instead of healthy food, even though it may be a bit more costly. Aside from the health risks, you are setting your children up for bullying which has been in the news alot lately sometimes leading to suicide.
One of the prime reasons for obesity in children is their eating habits as instead of having healthy fruits and vegetables, children are more inclined to have processed snacks, fried foods, burgers, pizzas etc.
shes right. in an already stressed healthcare system why allow rich and poor alike to harm themselves by unknowingly eating a very unhealthy man-made vegetable oil. even worse, if they are uninsured poor people then the life-saving procedures they require down the road will be passed on to other hospital customers. hear that you "I'll do what I want" people? even you wealthy folks will pay for the poor choices of everyone. You pay a health insurance premium? How do you think they make up the unpaid bills? Passing it on to us all.