it is SO wrong. without insiders addressing the cost issues and the abuses, as only doctors can know, this plan is no more than a complicated ball of tangles that will bury our healthcare system. there are some great doctors that can help craft a healthcare system which has a chance of working without gutting what we have. the notion that our health will be designed by non-physicians is just plain STUPID. it takes years of study and experience to understand what can go and what must be included. do you really want a legislator deciding this instead of your doctors? if you do, then good luck to you. only those who have $$$$ to gain 'believe' in this boondoggle.
Once it was inevitable that a single payer system was not in the offing, this plan was put up to fail so the only other choice would be the single payer system.
I agree. I have long believed that the course of events would be: 1-HMO's=failure; 2-ACO's=failure; 3-Single payor system=socialized medicine=failure. In a country that has more people taking than contributing, we can't afford the level of care that people have come to expect and they will be disappointed with what they will get under a single payor system. Rational cost containment can be accomplished by the medical community if they are empowered to enact controls, but as long as big $$$$ can be generated by insurance companies, costs will continue to spiral up until the system collapses. most doctors are NOT greedy. there are some who are terribly greedy and they must be brought to task. but as long as the insurance companies tolerate abuses while pulling $$$billions out of the system in profits, the faults will continue. Government has only one strategy. They homogenize everything, create rooms full of rulebooks, spend trillions on bureaucracy, fail to achieve the tangible results intended, stifle creativity and ultimately fail miserably to address the needs of the people in a palatable fashion. we can and must do better. regional healthcare advisory boards with full time doctor and nurse panels can address the issues, prepare guidelines with teeth, develop OUTCOME based care plans and then cooperate with other regions in establishing national standards. It simply cannot start with a central government authority staffed by bureaucrats. When you plant a flower with a backhoe, you crush it before it has a chance to survive. we have a gifted and amazing medical workforce and we need to learn to steer it better. we do not need to paint it all gray and stencil U.S. Government on it. do you think that a government that pays $1000 for a toilet seat on a project can control costs?
Yeah, medicare works so poorly, and yet the medicare and VA systems seem to function better than private hospitals. On the other hand the emergency rooms crowded with patients who wait for ten to twelve hours for a service that could be treated in an outpatient clinic if they had insurance, is a real bummer. And those awful coverages in Europe and Canada where you never pay a dime, and where they call their government health care their national treasure, including for dental, hearing and eye treatment, what a disgrace. Yes, sarcasm is involved here. Only when you, or someone you love, face a tragedy, a triple bypass, or one of many other unexpected emergencies that costs many thousands, and find your insurance inadequate or canceled, will you stop making these kinds of arguments as you either mortgage your house or declare bankruptcy from the medical bills. By the way, I paid $26 for a single Tums in the hospital - a toilet seat by any other name....Oh yeah, and try to get in to see a doctor without health insurance.
I see anyone that needs medical care. I take whatever they can afford in payment. The problem is that if they need hospital care, I can't arrange it. the hospitals refuse to schedule surgery for people with no insurance. if i send them to the ER, federal law requires the hospital to diagnose and stabilize them, but can send them back out even if they might die hours or days later. what we pay 1 insurance company ceo, could save thousands of lives or hire a thousand nurses or pay 500 ER doctors. the system is messed up and will remain so as long as insurance company executives can glom 7 and 8 figure salaries by denying care or doing a lousy job managing it!
Thats the problem with socialists, everything looks good on paper. Communism looked good on paper, socialism looks good on paper and if that was the case the USSR would still exist and half of Europe would not be broke. go figure.
What we needed was insurance and pharmaceutical reform they are corporate America. And, as corporate America it is their lobbyists who have the politicians ear which is tied to their purse stings. All government programs should be scrutinized they are being manipulated and run by less than experts in their field.
The idea that there are already religious and corporation exemptions makes this unconstitutional piece of legislation a sham.
How can it be viable when there are so many off topic pieces of personal agenda pork glomed into it? It's the legislators who should be sued for malpractice of their office and practicing medical voodoo BS.
it is SO wrong. without insiders addressing the cost issues and the abuses, as only doctors can know, this plan is no more than a complicated ball of tangles that will bury our healthcare system. there are some great doctors that can help craft a healthcare system which has a chance of working without gutting what we have. the notion that our health will be designed by non-physicians is just plain STUPID. it takes years of study and experience to understand what can go and what must be included. do you really want a legislator deciding this instead of your doctors? if you do, then good luck to you. only those who have $$$$ to gain 'believe' in this boondoggle.
Once it was inevitable that a single payer system was not in the offing, this plan was put up to fail so the only other choice would be the single payer system.
I agree. I have long believed that the course of events would be: 1-HMO's=failure; 2-ACO's=failure; 3-Single payor system=socialized medicine=failure. In a country that has more people taking than contributing, we can't afford the level of care that people have come to expect and they will be disappointed with what they will get under a single payor system. Rational cost containment can be accomplished by the medical community if they are empowered to enact controls, but as long as big $$$$ can be generated by insurance companies, costs will continue to spiral up until the system collapses. most doctors are NOT greedy. there are some who are terribly greedy and they must be brought to task. but as long as the insurance companies tolerate abuses while pulling $$$billions out of the system in profits, the faults will continue. Government has only one strategy. They homogenize everything, create rooms full of rulebooks, spend trillions on bureaucracy, fail to achieve the tangible results intended, stifle creativity and ultimately fail miserably to address the needs of the people in a palatable fashion. we can and must do better. regional healthcare advisory boards with full time doctor and nurse panels can address the issues, prepare guidelines with teeth, develop OUTCOME based care plans and then cooperate with other regions in establishing national standards. It simply cannot start with a central government authority staffed by bureaucrats. When you plant a flower with a backhoe, you crush it before it has a chance to survive. we have a gifted and amazing medical workforce and we need to learn to steer it better. we do not need to paint it all gray and stencil U.S. Government on it. do you think that a government that pays $1000 for a toilet seat on a project can control costs?
Yeah, medicare works so poorly, and yet the medicare and VA systems seem to function better than private hospitals. On the other hand the emergency rooms crowded with patients who wait for ten to twelve hours for a service that could be treated in an outpatient clinic if they had insurance, is a real bummer. And those awful coverages in Europe and Canada where you never pay a dime, and where they call their government health care their national treasure, including for dental, hearing and eye treatment, what a disgrace. Yes, sarcasm is involved here. Only when you, or someone you love, face a tragedy, a triple bypass, or one of many other unexpected emergencies that costs many thousands, and find your insurance inadequate or canceled, will you stop making these kinds of arguments as you either mortgage your house or declare bankruptcy from the medical bills. By the way, I paid $26 for a single Tums in the hospital - a toilet seat by any other name....Oh yeah, and try to get in to see a doctor without health insurance.
I see anyone that needs medical care. I take whatever they can afford in payment. The problem is that if they need hospital care, I can't arrange it. the hospitals refuse to schedule surgery for people with no insurance. if i send them to the ER, federal law requires the hospital to diagnose and stabilize them, but can send them back out even if they might die hours or days later. what we pay 1 insurance company ceo, could save thousands of lives or hire a thousand nurses or pay 500 ER doctors. the system is messed up and will remain so as long as insurance company executives can glom 7 and 8 figure salaries by denying care or doing a lousy job managing it!
Thank you Lord! He really does look after us!
Thats the problem with socialists, everything looks good on paper. Communism looked good on paper, socialism looks good on paper and if that was the case the USSR would still exist and half of Europe would not be broke. go figure.
Get real Dr. Obama. Big brother is watching. Thank God.
What we needed was insurance and pharmaceutical reform they are corporate America. And, as corporate America it is their lobbyists who have the politicians ear which is tied to their purse stings. All government programs should be scrutinized they are being manipulated and run by less than experts in their field.
The idea that there are already religious and corporation exemptions makes this unconstitutional piece of legislation a sham.
How can it be viable when there are so many off topic pieces of personal agenda pork glomed into it? It's the legislators who should be sued for malpractice of their office and practicing medical voodoo BS.