7 are hospitalized in France; experts are '99 percent sure' strain is same
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from:msnbc.comFrance says its E.coli strain same as Germany's
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No raw veggie, they have to be fully cooked; use detergent to wash fruits or wash well under running water; hand washing is at least 15 seconds.
Drink a lot of water, at least 8 glasses of water, each glasses at least 240 ml. of water; otherwise, the fluid intake is contraindicated and it may be adviced by M.D.
No raw veggies!! Absurd. Better yet, stop eating animals and using their feces as fertilizer. It is in the stomach of the cow where E-Coli is born.
And by feeding cows and other farmed animals billions of pounds of antibiotics, new, virulent, ever mutating strains of E-Coli , Campylobacter, Salmonella, ALL FROM animals, threaten human health.
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" use detergent to wash fruits" :D
First, there are stains of e-coli that live INSIDE the fruits or vegetable (why the French are banning certain seeds from Britain (in the article), Germans believed that the e-coli contaminated sprouts sucked up (thru root system) e-coli contamination). All the external washing of fruits and vegetables in the world will not stop the internal e-coli.
Second, the term "Fully Cooked" to kill something like this would mean burnt offerings. Over 100-167 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 10 minutes, varies based on what you are trying to kill (bacteria, virus, etc. as some are extremely heat resistant). Basically you either roasted, fried, or boiled all the nutrients out of the food that you are going to eat.
Third, YES wash your f**king hands (and NOT in the Kitchen Sink, all that water that splashes off your hands just sprays everything all over your sink clean dishes (in the rack, etc.), then drying your hands on the dish cloth (that you are going to use to dry your dishes and dinner ware). Soap does NOT kill most bacteria nor viruses, it makes your skin or a surface to slippery for them to stick (breaks their chemical bond (glue)), (Lye soap used to kill bacteria and some viruses by changing the PH factor, Lye is no longer used in soaps.). If you want to actually see how contaminated your kitchen, dishwasher, etc. is you can buy a UV Light that detects gran (gram) negative (the things that will make you sick and can cause death)(it will show a false positive for sexual fluids). Disinfect your Dishwasher.
Fourth, cleaning your kitchen bathrooms etc. with Bleach (5% HCL, Hydrochloric Acid) does kill most bacteria and virues (including HIV). Of course this is not practical for cleaning everything. Some people put up with the adverse effects (bad taste) by soaking their fruits and vegetables in a watered down solution of water and bleach (the osmosis effect causes the bleach to enter the fruits or vegetable very quickly and would take a long time to soak out in water).
Fifth, to all the uninformed out there, exposing yourself and others (because you are inconsiderate) to a disease, cold, etc. that you got does NOT make you nor anyone else immune later. A DNA mutation that would make your later offspring immune takes generations (while you kill yourself and many others (aka premeditated murder)). Many of you don't believe that people had this uninformed idea that occurred when the AIDS virus initially started in the 1970s (Africa (Prostitutes at Africa eat monkeys with green sores)-->Cuba (Cuban Military Engineers at Africa solicit prostitutes)-->Haiti (Cuban Military previously at Africa go on vacation)--> USA thru Haiti and Cuban Refugees --> Florida --> up the US East Coast --> West Coast, as tracked by US Military, later trained as Epidemiology History by USAMRIID). If you are sick, WEAR a F**king Mask and gloves like the Japanese do when they are sick and only go out in Public if it is absolutely necessary (NEED TO (life threatening) NOT WANT TO).
The Solution to minimize this situation, all Nations Irradiate all Produce (Fruits, Vegetables, Meats, etc.) prior to these reaching the final point of sale (supermarkets, etc.). This will NOT prevent an outbreak if those at the final point of sale (including food preparation) do not adhere to minimum sanitation requirements (washing their hands or wearing CLEAN (uncontaminated) gloves prior to handling any produce); this will contain the contamination to a specific location (easier for the Epidemiologists to trace back to the source of contamination). The Myths of Irradiation are that the Irradiation will remain inside the Irradiated Fruits, Vegetables, Meats, etc., that irradiation will cause a loss of nutrients, etc. (note: a microwave oven is "irradiating" the food placed into it by irradiating the water inside the food cause the water to vibrate at a high rate of speed (causing the food to cook from the inside out),magnetron tube is tuned to wavelength.
Before anyone starts with the name calling, this is from basic pre Med College Micro Biology, later (pain in my arse literally after all the innoculations, they start injecting your arse cheeks) training with USAMRIID (prior to being stationed with the INF (Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (Europe)) during the later 1970s (after Vietnam), most recently a really nasty broad spectrum antibiotic resistant "bug" that almost got all of us here (Afghanistan), the Afghan locals that we live with gave us a "tea" made of some sort of extremely strong "garlic" (the natural antibiotic allicin)(I say "garlic" but I have never seen this type before (at least 100x stronger smell, burning taste, extreme blood pressure drop, extreme gastritis (stomach pains, and embarrassing sulfur smell farts.).
Laura Slitt,
The majority of the deadly e-coli is NOT from Animals it is from Human Beings (especially those that have received many antibiotics before creating the antibiotic resistant strains that specifically infect humans).
Davida says: "First, there are stains of e-coli that live INSIDE the fruits or vegetable (why the French are banning certain seeds from Britain (in the article), Germans believed that the e-coli contaminated sprouts sucked up (thru root system) e-coli contamination). All the external washing of fruits and vegetables in the world will not stop the internal e-coli."
The above statement is absolute nonsense and physically impossible.
@David
Hey, better than the hideous diarrhea and cramps strong antibiotics give you. Plus you wrote that the bug you guys had was antibiotic resistance. How cool that those locals helped ya'll out!
Good point. Plus invest in a few vegetable brushes, and stick with foods grown in the USA or Canada. It's sadly ironic that nutritionists correctly tell us that the outer greener leaves of leafy vegetables contain a higher concentrations of nutrients. However they also contain a far higher concentrations of contaminants; pesticides, fungcides, and so on, and bacteria and parasites.
Plant viruses, Ecoli outbreak in Europe, the Old world, a few years ago there was an outbreak if foot and mouth disease, cattle meat was banned, apply the same principles that corrected the cattle foot and mouth disease and apply it to the Ecoli outbreaks. Farmers also shoulders some of the responsiblility; report any unusual circumstances. We can beat this disease and eat magnificently.
Eating cadavers is hardly magnificent. We call dead animals meat, and dead humans corpses and cadavers but in truth, meat eaters eat cadavers....In nice sauces.
Yes, and they taste good! Cadaver!MMMMM.......!
Crap, I need a nice bottle of Chianti and some Fava beans to go with that nice plate of brains.
Ha! I am actually enjoying a nice chianti right now! No liver though! Maybe for breakfast!
But @laura eats dead plants and eats them raw. At least I cook my dead meat. And cadaver usually refers to a corpse that is to be dissected. Maybe you need some fish~you know that brain food.
OHhh! Mushi Sushi, but that's RAW!
Hardly News Story.........Food Poisioning claims more each day.
Back in the hay day you never had this major out break..But hey keep adding chemical to the plants and all these shots to the cows..
They say you are what you eat..That makes you toxic..
Oh for Pete's sake! Of course there were outbreaks, St. Vitus Dance et all, caused by a fungal infection on Rye plants. Out breaks were and are here to stay. Just use common scence when eating, wash your hands, cook to the appropriate tempature.
Hmmm Organic? Sprouts??? My buddy the Dr tells his aids patients to avoid plants fertilized with Poop. Which is all that is allowed for "organic" farmers.
I thought Aids patients loved poop....
no, they love TO poop! There's a difference!
I like this one better...
Growth Chemical Leads to Exploding Watermelons in China
But hey no wonder America is Fat,,We use the same product..lol
Sprouts are nasty anyway. Don't eat them and save yourself a lot of trouble!
NOTE: I am passing info' on, not trying to be politically correct!!!
Myself and one family member got another awful strain HERE, mine was Campylobacteri Jejuni...sapped the life out of us for weeks THEY'RE INCREASING ...MD thought we had been in foreign country...reminded us that there is far less health screening since advent of more illegals....Please join Numbers USA.com, who are very proactive in helping this cause. My family member lives 60 miles from here, and was extremely ill as well.
It CAN't be ignored or will be everywhere.... Please don't make light of this! I'm tyrying to help!
THIS IS NOT OUR PARENTS COUNTRY ANYMORE!!!! Mine were from Europe when they THOROUGHLY SCREENED EVERYONE.
IT can only get worse. I am careful to bring alcohol everywhere and have hand wipes in the car.
I think I'll have a martini!
After a nice bottle of Chianti? You rock P.Walker....
Usted tambien, Dano! Ha, ha!
You guys will have far more to contend with than any of that should we continue in the same path in many ways in this country. Waste your jokes where it's appropriate...don't waste my time..
These are all very serious matters that only fools refuse to take heed of.
Sorry Annie! See Dano! You told me "book 'em" and now we're in deep doo doo! Barack might even be re-elected, and YOU are wasting Annie's time! I'm tellin'! Mommmm! Dano did it AGAIN!!
Sorry Annie!
Annie- less health screening since more illegals? What the heck does that infer? That illegal immigrants are causing e-coli outbreaks?
I never said I was referring to E-Coli. I was referring to Campylbacteria Jejuni, which is stated to be still another one of the emergent strains they're finding that's increasing.
FYI, illegals have enough trouble to get into this country...what would make them have been screened for diseases before they get here? They are being allowed to be increasing in numbers and are usually too poor to all have a clean bill of health prior to entering this country . Common sense.
As I said, I'm just passing on valuable info'...wasn't looking for a debate. Much of this info' on several emergent communicable diseases can be found on line. I just happpened to be among one that is reporting about this first hand. Again, review # 11.
PS: I am very careful, and an RN, but that didn't stop me from getting the above fairly recently. I live in a city full of foreigners, many undoubtedly illegal.
The media misses the truth on deaths and root causes for E-Coli. It comes from ANIMAL WASTE, not veggies.
E-Coli is found in the intestines of cows mostly. When there are animal farms around or crops are fertilized with manure, the threat for contamination exists. The animal rights , vegan community is so frustrated when we hear about veggies being blamed for E-Coli when we know it's origin is animal feces!
Combined with decades of feeding farmed animals massive doses , as much as 50% of ALL anti-biotics manufactured, giving rise to the many "super-bugs we are threatened by in the form of these virulent, mutating strains of bacteria, including MRSA, one would think that conscious people, for the sake of their own children, would STOP EATING ANIMALS!!!
The entire food system has been hyjacked by animal agribusiness and the powerful interests literally making a killing from selling death and disease. And Americans swallow it up, at an incalculable cost to our health, animal suffering, and the environment.
I'm hard pressed to see how humans extole themselves as the more intelligent species when everythng we eat has caused SO MUCH harm, except vegans.
Laura Slitt,
Where do you think most "Fertilizer" comes from, can you say Animal Sh!t.
Most vegans that I know are the worst hypocrites. Like I said before where do you think most "Fertilizer" comes from. As many "vegans" demand "Organic" vegetables and fruits, with these "Organic" Farms using sundried (does not kill off all bacteria and viruses) animal feces and "compost" as fertilizer.
All these vegan meals call for more and more land to be cleared to grow all the veggies, thus destroying animal habitats and causing untold animal suffering. And without natural fertilizers such as animal poop, the farmers will need more inorganic fertilizers adding to the so-called global climate change as well as untold animal deaths in our oceans resulting from the dead zones that occur when algal blooms occur when these fertilizers are washed out to sea. Laura Slitt's only humane alternative would become a cadaver herself and save the world's animals from suffering.
If you have ever taken medication, lived in a house, used deodorant, driven/rode in a car, touched a post-it note, etc. then you have used products that use animal components. There is no such thing as a "real" vegan, get over it sweetheart.
The USDA needs to move on this. They should have already stopped German Bologna from coming into the country. Now they need to stop French Fries and French's mustard from coming in as well.
Yes, and no more french toast, unless scrubbed thoroughly in the bidet before serving! Otherwise, eat flapjacks!
Anyone who eats Bologna will eventually get sick anyway. It's the most disgusting composite or pigs eyes, ears, snouts, genitals, and Gd knows what else. And imagine the marketing strategy of corporations like Oscar Myer, using children to sell the stuff.
Pancreatic cancer and other cancers are greatly increased from eating processed meat.
The meat industry slogan really is, "Eat Sh-t and die.....And food politics enables it!!
I thought they made mountain oysters out of the genitals. Those mountain people will eat anything. Now sit down and eat your bologna.
You first, Larry! Is it good? With fromunda cheese!
The best cure is grow your own food..At least you know what is added to the soil..The good old days are coming back because you cant trust the government and those who grow the food..
Give me the non-organic food any day. If you eat stuff fertilized with poop you will ultimately catch something very bad. Of course organics are good for the vegans. Ever wonder why so few exist ?
Tell that to Laura Slitt
Woofy One I hate to shock your sense on a Sunday morning but everything you eat is fertilized with, as you put it "poop". Soy beans, corn, wheat either in solid form or liquid and has been now for over 100 years. Chicken manure back home in Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey is called "liquid gold". Cow dung is another long time used manure for fertilization. You can buy that by the bag at your local Walmart been sold by stores forever. Sorry to "Poop" your bubble.
SMEAD, et al: There are increasing different strains of nasty bacteria, LIKE, but not necessarily E-Coli that are spreading quite rapidly (see post#11), and the source could be anywhere!!!!!
All joking aside, thank you Annie for your input! It is very important what we put into our bodies! My Mom, mother-in-law, and father in law all died from pancreatic cancer, and, let me tell you, it was no fun! Do try to have a sense of humor, because sometimes that's all you have during the bad times!:-)
You neglect one small detail. The vast majority of these outbreaks have bene from organically grown crops. If this continues, organic farming is going to take a major hit and could become a dinosaur before it really gets going. I know myself that since these outbreaks my wife and I have stopped buying oganically grown crops. One thing I never understood when I did buy them was why they were 30% more expensive when they did not have to apply chemicals to them, just so-callled naturally ocurring repellants ad hormones.
Russia could have sold Taliban a liquid spray device that has E coli in it and the al-Qaeda have someone spraying it on crops at certain locations.
You mean the CIA?
I quit eating vegtables a long time ago. Beer is way better and alchol kills all the litttle bugs. When I get hungry I munch on potato chips or gas station hot dogs. Adapt to the enviroment, You will live longer. Your body can kill bacteria if you're strong.
In our state it is a violation of ethical standards to eat dogs.
The republicans want to cut the budget for EPA Health Inspections in food so this is what you will get if this happen in USA. A Lot of Dead people thanks to the republican budget cuts. Is that what you want to take a chance on. Europe is cutting their budgets too save money and increase profits oversea. OH WELL, that is what you get with less gov't regs. Notice: to all people, you are a winner!!!
OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION IS PUTTING AN END TO THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY THAT WE HAVE KNOWN as such, and he cares not about AMERICANS or he wouldn't have gotten us into the worst mess EVER! WAY BEYOND BELIEF!!!!
He could have been a hero had he prioritized on us and the economy...BLEW his chance big time., and then some. Very strange indeed!
How he's staying in is INDEED the enigma of the century, and I'm NO rocket scientist!
Barack out in 2012!!
Annie is gonna scold you again.
Annie you certainly are not a rocket scientist that is for sure. Can you take the time to explain your diatribe and why you would post a meaningless, unfact filled political post on a board about an E-coli outbreak in France? I'm mystified at the corrolation you've discovered.
Only in Arizona.......hahahahaha! Just kidding friend!
Smallstuff: As I said, I am an RN...and have no reason to post what I (and a family member) went through, other than to promote public knowledge. Look that up under emerging communicable diseases, or with the info' on Campylobacter Jejuni.
Only you are in charge of your own health awareness.
Things are changing big time in this country, not just around the world anymore.
What does everybody expect, it is one of the new world order weapons. We just better hope and pray they don't decide to release some of their viruses they have created where there is no cure what so-ever. Peace be with us all and God Bless
God Bless you too Kelly in North Carolina! God Bless you all! Peace, Out!
Aerosols from planes...
And the wife laughed at me when I said salads are not healthy.
Skip the soap. Skip the bleach. Skip the expensive veggie washes. Rinse everything in 3 parts water and one part vinegar. Kills 98% of the bacteria.
And your hands?
I'm sorry, but if you think for a moment that there isn't more to alot of these strange going ons besides fate, i'm sorry. Life is a very wonderful thing once you get passed the ungreased rough cut cedar branch i have been running around with stuck in the crack of my rear-end all of my life. Put there by some distant relative of mine i guess. Some guy named Sam, supposed to be some uncle or something. Treating family in this manner, boy i would hate to see how he treats ones he doesn't like. I did hear a rumor some time ago. I guess he just kills them. That is just hear say. Anyway, build some wooden boxes 3 feet wide, 8 or 10 feet long get some good soil and grow you own food right in your home. Put in the places of your coffee table or spare beds. Alot of people on this earth and according to the ones in charge, there isn't enough to go around and some just hate to share. At least you won't have to wash your stuff for twenty minutes to make it safe. Put your faith in God above because that is real, but keep your heart focused in the right direction, life has slipped away from alot of us, but it's not about us. Make sure your children and all children for that matter are eating none toxic food please, they really are the innocent. This earth is not going anywhere for awhile but i do beleive some major changes are in the near future. Teach the children that life is great and it really is if only most took a good look around. It's a beautiful world. Its Gods world, and in a very short period of time, we have tried very hard to bring it to it's knees, but do not ever forget God does love us. We can not change that temtation was put on our plate from the very start. But we all know right from wrong and we may not be able to stop sin we can surely pray for help to combat it. Good luck and happy gardening.
Any other places have the vendors sent their products to?
I see Monsanto written all over this. The seeds........where did they come from? If you look at how Monsanto is cornering the seed market it is obvious where the problem stems from.
You are what you eat......bs Monsanto seed. How does eugenics and seed/food control bother you?