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looks like their in even more boiling water hope they get charged with two accounts of second degree homicide
I buy wipes in bulk from a well known distributor,and upon reading the many articles regardinng tainted wipes I decided to check if the brand i use ( Huggies) is manufactured by either the triad or H.p manufactures. However, upon inspection I found there are no identifying makers on either the bulk package nor the individual packages. Therefore, how is one to know whether or not the product they use may have been recalled? The FDA ( by law) needs to post the names of all recalled wipes in every newspaper and at every distribution facility for the safety of the overall general public.
The tainted wipes are alcohol prep pads used in the medical field and by those that give themselves injections. The tainted wipes are NOT baby wipes you use during a diaper change (like Huggies).
Who needs the FDA to regulate medicine and medical supplies. Who needs rest areas? Who needs roads and bridges?
The GOP has us right where it wants us. Smaller government and no services.
I am sure there are happy with their gated communities where the 24 hour security guards are paid for with home owners association fees.
dilusional.
Until, of course, their concierge doctor uses a tainted wipe...poetic justice!
Unfounded political nonsense.
If you knew how much they made from grants from the Government. This has nothing to do with elephants or donkeys, but with Pharmaceutical companies jackasses hiding behind the CDC and the FDA for profit. I work in a hospital and get recall notices everyday that I must ferret out and recover and destroy.
Interesting to see everyone waking up to the fact that they blew it by packing the House with folks that want to put "Closed" signs on every government agency and service. Grandma can just squat next to the car and whizz.
I swear the Libs really won't pass up a tragedy to spew their rhetoric?
@Itcommander72, It seems you have chosen to use this article as a soap box for far too many different "issues" you have with the Government. There is one good thing that comes with this message board that I believe you are not aware of? Spellcheck?
If you are going to Ask silly questions and bash certain groups of the Government at least you could use spell check so that your content is spelled correctly and is grammatically correct if not really able to understand? Better Luck Next Time.. Diane
Thank God the FDA investigators who persisted in holding the manufacturer accountable for their gross violations of good manufacturing practices and other FDA regulations. What this article fails to acknowledge is the difficulty Congress and the federal district courts have placed on the FDA in both protecting the public health and being fair to industry in the same breath, when many in industry, like this manufacturer, cut corners to make the almighty dollar, and seek to see how much they can get away with without getting caught. The FDA investigators apparently did an excellent job of documenting the necessary evidence that holds up in court (including those District Courts that bend over backwards to accomodate industry (constituents). That is why this firm is shut down now. Now because FDA didn't do it's job, but because it did it so well.
The author of this article clearly doesn't know much about FDA or about what is necessary to bring a permanent injunction against a drug or medical device manufacturer and creates the impression that FDA moved slowly to react to the information gained through the highly effective inspections conducted. Rather, in the interest of sensationalizing the injuries and/or deaths of those unfortunate to have been exposed to the poorly manufacturered products, the author takes a cheap shot at FDA. That's ashame. And that others were so quick to jump on the wagon.
I suggest that instead of accusing the FDA of being incompetent,it be far better to educate yourselfs on FDA regulations, the Regulatory and Enforcement mechanisms it has available, the evidenciary burden FDA has to bring strong actions against manufacturers, and then reflect on the timetable involved here, and realize that the FDA forced the manufacturer to take the actions that the manufacturer was apparently unwilling to take on their own (i.e. the apparently lack of ethics exercised and concern demonstrated for the public health by the manufacturer). A mass recall of the affected products and shutting the company down is about as strong as it gets! Hopefully, FDA is able to develop evidence of criminal behavior by the executives in this company, and prosecute them for it.
The FDA appears to have effectively built its evidence, apparently tried to work with the manufacturer to allow them to self correct (note: Something all the bafoons crying "see the Republicans where right" don't realize is exacting what the Republicans in Congress demand FDA do before taking immediate action against manufacturers), and prompty took action when it was clear the manufacturer would not to the right things themselves.
While it is always regrettable any individual is harmed by medical products intended to treat or diagnose them, as a public, we are extremely fortunate to have the dedicate individuals at the FDA, CDC, CPSC and others that work diligently to protect our health every day. I thank all of those at the FDA for identifying this problem, and forcing the removal of the product from the market, as quickly as the legal evidence could be assembled to do so. THANK YOU, FDA!
People don't seem to realize that the FDA doesn't issue recalls, they only request the. It's up to companies and stores to comply. In order to shutter a manufacturer they have to build and present a case, kind of like the police getting a warrant.
It's too bad the FDA couldn't find the tainted wipes sooner. But like every other government agency designed to protect the public, it was gutted and underfunded to a point where it couldn't do its job. It's about time the FDA gets a little more funding and a kick start so they can do what it was set up to do, and prevent incidents like this from happening again.
Bacillus cereus and especially Elizabethkingia meningseptia are such rare infections, it makes one wonder if the contaminations were purposeful.
I had purchased these alcohol preps from WalMart for regular injections I as a caregiver give to a patient. Walmart here in Tucson never posted the recall on their recall boards. But they certainly pulled the product off the shelves. When I returned them employees didn't know about the recall till I gave them a copy from the FDA site. Thank god my patient didn't have any problems.
My wife has a bladder catheter, and it was my practice to clean the ends of the connecting tubes twice a day with Walgreen's (Triad) alcohol swabs. For months I tried to figure out why my wife was having raging bladder infections, resulting in blocked catheters. The occasional Cipro worked for only about a week at a time. When I heard of the recall, I stopped using the alcohol swabs, instead simply rinsing the ends with water, and the infections stopped immediately. It has been a couple of months now and the infections have not recurred. Nothing else was changed. No warning was ever issued, to my knowledge, by Walgreens.
Get a good lawyer and join the suits that will be filed against the Triad group. Walgreen's also had a duty to see that the products they sell are not tainted. You may want to include the too.
Everyone would be bashing China, their politics, their labor, and other unrelated matters if this were a Chinese product.
If an American company did this, it would be shut down. If the Chinese communists distributed a product that killed people, there would be complaints, but the communist dictatorship would protect the guilty and there would be no serious repurcussions.
On the contrary. In here, people just get a slap on the wrist. Over there, the responsible sometimes are executed.
"Everyone would be bashing China, their politics, their labor, and other unrelated matters if this were a Chinese product."
As well they should be. I am gratified to know the FDA is pursuing this matter vigorously.
commonsense doesn't read the news often. In China the owners would have been found guilty and shot in a matter of days.
With a name like Triad, it probably is a Chinese-controlled company. (snicker)
The punishment in China is much, much more severe than here in the US. I mean I'm not even sure if the company is getting fined. They'll undoubtedly be sued, but what criminal liabilities are there?
As a result of the most recent death associated to tainted wipes, FDA spokesman Mike Crobe cited Bacillus cereus as the confirmed culpret during a Q& A session with the media. Medical reporter Penny Cillin with the Christian Scientist Monitor asked Mike Crobe, "is this serious"? Crobe replied, "yes, Bacillus cereus".
With fewer federal funds for the FDA & CDC will most likely see more cases of this type,
pathogens don't care about anyone's political ideology or social station.
Where do you get your information from about funding? According to: Wikipedia their funding has been substantially increased all the way up through the Bush Admin in 2008. I dont know what Obama has done with it since there was no budget the past couple of years or if the data isnt available.
I think this is more proof that federal government programs dont work. They knew about the problems back in 2009, but failed to do anything about it. So if they had another billion dollars what would have changed?
Federal programs don't work? Perfectly? 100% of the time? Neither does private industry! If the FDA went away tomorrow, replaced by lowest bid for-profit contractors (or Republican no-bid cronies), you'd find out soon enough how well it does work. I work in the pharma industry, and I can tell you that the FDA is tough, and it is feared as a watchdog.
So government programs don't work? Perfectly? Instantly and 100% of the time? Neither does private industry! That's why we have these wipes to deal with--duh! If the FDA went away tomorrow, replaced by low-bid private industry contractors, or crony no-bid contractors, you'd realize what they do. I work for pharma, and I can tell you that the FDA is feared as a tough watchdog. I'm glad about that every time I used a prescription med.
I hear a lot of whining, but no solutions.
They work. We have probably the best system in the world for identifying dangerous products and disease/infection outbreaks, and containing the damage. In most countries the wipes would have killed hundreds before they got the cause pinpointed. Most government agencies do what they do so well that when they do screw up or miss something it seems that much worse by comparison.
No matter how many legislative mandates and regulatory laws are passed, these types of problems will not be eliminated. We need less government regulation, and laws that make it a felony with life sentences for those company executives who put product on the market that endangers the lives of our citizens. A few examples with life terms in prison will reshape how many companies do business.
Why didn't the FDA issue an instant recall of ALL wipes made by this company??? or did someone get paid off !!! The FDA should be named in all law suites filed in this case along with the company.
Because that would have been a gross overreaction?
Also the FDA does not have the power to force a recall. This was an injunction (which means no further manufacturing), but they can't force companies to pull a product from the shelves.
The FDA did send out recalls. First on the wipes, then on procedure kits that were suspect or know to have the wipes in them. I handle recalls at the hospital level and personally destroyed or returned for credit many of these kits. People in hospitals are known to horde and hide things where ever they see fit, so to track down every single wipe takes some doing.
The FDA sends out notices of contamination, plenty of stores continued to sell the wipes apparently. Would be different for a hospital and medical supplies, I imagine tho, especially one receiving government funding.
So how does things like this get contaminated? Careless employees, purposely contaminated by a psychotic person, bad ingredients because the company was cheap?
How tragic. I hope the media follows up and posts the root cause of the bacteria in the product.
I agree that the FDA should of issued a instant recall of these products. how many innocent people had to die? this is just another example of how the FDA doesn't care for the health of the people of this country. like many government agency's, they are a joke. sad cause we the people pay the price,and they don't care. and I do wonder how the bacteria got there,seems strange to me. something smells fishy....
The FDA doesn't issue recalls. Jesus. They do not have that authority. To say the FDA doesn't care about the health of this country, when that's pretty much the totality of their job, is a little silly. The company in question should have issued a recall when the FDA informed them of the contamination in their products, and the stores who had the wipes on shelves should have pulled them as well. Neither did.
Place the blame where it belongs. That's how the system is set up, for whatever reason.
This is my third reply to this. They do issue recalls. I work with them every day at the hospital level. Mollymae you have no idea.
Here is an example of the failure of the FDA to do it's job! Like other government agencies, the folks responsible will keep their jobs and retire on a nice pension. Or.. they will retire and go to work for the Triad group and double dip. Anyway, the owners of the Triad group are large contributor's to conservative Republican candidates. This includes GOV. Walker in Wisconsin. Disgusting! Put me on the jury and the owners won't have a pot to piss in! Maybe some jail time as well.
How didn't they do their job? They tested product, tracked th source of infection, and informed the company responsible. They even took the extra step of prohibited further manufacturing.
The FDA cannot force a recall tho. They can recommend it, which they did, once they determine contamination, but it's up to the company and retailers to pull product. Which they did not.
The big problem here is we have no adequate system for recalls, a project of mine and consumers want it, scan the package with your cell phone and technology is here and available today.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2011/04/fda-moves-in-on-triad-and-seizes-6.html
More here...as this would also help find stolen drugs and products too.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2011/01/fda-announces-recall-of-alcohol-prep.html
OMG, how tragic. I hope the media follows up with the root cause of the contamination.
OUR COUNTRY don't need no FDA and GUVMENT regulashun!!
People will lern to stop buyin' products from companies after enough babies DIE!
That's the FREE MARKET workin'!!!
It's a good thing REPUBLICINS have made shure all these FEDRAL agencies are no longer well funded enuff to keep people safe!!! We're savin' the taxpayers some money!!
Hey Genius, if you want to make it political, your party has been in control since 2007 of the house and the senate, and now the presidency, so thats over 4 years of democrat controlled funding. The problem was found in 2009, thats 2 years into the democrat control, and havent done anything about it another 2 years. You can never have a debate about things when people cant even get their facts right to begin with.
The problem was discovered in 09 - read the article - no one did anything about it. What does more money to the FDA solve in this case?
OMG John -1003044-there is a spell checker on this comment board. PLEASE USE IT NEXT TIME!
So by your argument, non-existent is better than imperfect. Perhaps we need to give the FDA the money to do their job and we also need to be less tolerant of corruption.
Bonnie, John forgot the /s(arcasm) at the end of his post.
I believe they informed the company that makes the products of the possible contamination. It then becomes that corporations duty to follow thru and order a recall, because the FDA cannot. Instead they continue to make and distribute the wipes for another couple of years, prompting the FDA to shut down their facilities, which is undoubtedly a process that takes a while.
How much money are you sending them to help out? I already gave half my salary.
Same as always... nearly 45% of my pay, after ALL taxes, including local are figured in.
... I just wish that every once in a while Republicans would agree it should go to some use other than military spending and corporate welfare!
WHAT? they knew about this back in 2008 and did nothing.
Do u work for the FDA? or a DRUG company?
There's got to be some element in the wipes of Chinese origin. Justy got to be.
I think it's a disgrace how our mentaliity in regards to human empathy has deminished, all because of the dollar bill!
I'm sure the company knew it first but hoped it wasn't as bad as it turned out and for the FDA...that's another subject!!!
The same FDA that let Donald Rumsfeld fmr. secretary of defense get the artificial sweeteners onto the market by hook or by crook trickery during time frame he was Pres. & CEO of the drug company that manufactured them, responsible for untold thousands of deaths that when ingested turns into wood alcohol which is a poison, rots holes in the brain, epidemic of multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, fibromyalgia, spasms, numbness, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, blurred vision, memory loss, depression, tinnitus, joint pain, blindness, keeps blood sugar out of control in diabetics causing coma.............
What are you talking about? Wat artificial sweetener does any of that? They're all safe for human consumption.
They want you to believe artificial sweeteners are safe, but far from it. FDA is controlled by the drug companies, they don't care about public safety until they are forced to care.
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But Aspartme is safe. That's got nothing to do with the FDA, I don't know of a single study that has proven otherwise. Nor have 50 years of consumption.
Capt.: Some years ago there was a recall of generic diet soda because the aspartame in it had suffered a chemical reaction due to the way it was stored. I don't think it is inherently unsafe, but can change when put with other ingredients and heated (that's just my educated guess). I also know people who develop severe migraines after consuming aspartame; it could be that it causes problems for some, because of a sensitivity, but not for others.
Well that happens. Sometimes vegetables kill people (a la infections).