I’m also surprised that any government agency which thought that it needed to tell parents that their kids were fat would actually refer to these kids as “overweight” or “obese”. That is sooo politically incorrect.
A better phrase would be “vertically challenged”. Little Timmy is not “fat”, he is just vertically challenged; too short for his weight. According to our current standards he should be 9’-4 3/4” tall.
Yeah! One more example of government waste on a program that obviously isn't working! Bet they revamp the same unsuccessful program with new guidelines and regulations that obtains the exact same results at 10 times the cost.........
Here's a novel idea, stop serving pizza, hamburgers and fries at school and I'll bet some of the kids might actually loose a few pounds. Just a thought.
I'll have you know that I'm quite the gamer, and I'm almost UNDER weight! Granted my metabolism must be astounding, but seriously, it's gotten to where my parents (who can be health nuts at times) encourage places like McDonald's so I can gain weight. A sedentary lifestyle can certainly be a factor, but please don't stigmatize TV/Games/Computers as they are great opportunities for creativity and imagination.
They could send all the letters they want, but if the parents choose not to "see" their child's weight problem, then there is nothing the school can do. My daughter has a friend that is seriously overweight. They are not poor or undereducated. She is an only child. She does great in school and is actually a very intelligent kid. To be honest, school has nothing to do with it. Our school provides a very healthy lunch and limits snacks. There are no vending machines or soda. This child does all her overeating at home or after school. My daughter said she stops at the bagel shop everyday at gets something for the way home. When she has slept over her house, she will ask my daughter in the middle of the night if my daughter wants to sneak down to the kitchen to get cookies. On their way home from field day, they stopped at our local 7-11. My daughter bought a bottle of water. Her friend purchased the biggest slurpie that was available. When they go to the movies, she not only buys popcorn, but also an assortment of candy. Its not the schools, its the PARENTS.
There's a lot going on with our kids today so I have to ask, has anyone checked how many "overweight" kids are on psychiatric medications? I mean, several of them have weight gain listed as a significant side-effect...
Well, NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) estimates 1 in 10 kids has a mental illness. NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) has data from long-term studies (NHANES) that say ~50% of kids with mental illness has been treated in any way, not just meds. Putting those two stats together, maybe up to 1 in 20 kids is on psychotropic meds. The NHANES study on kids also shows about 1 in 3 is overweight and 16% of kids/teens are obese.
Further, realize that not all meds cause weight gain and some, like Ritalin (ie ADHD) actually list anorexia and weight LOSS as side effects. I'd venture a guess these are more prescribed than antipsychotics, etc, which do generally cause weight gain, excessive or slight. So the numbers just don't add up. Psychotropic meds are responsible for SOME overweight/obesity, but not a majority. There's a bigger problem than just meds causing obesity, it's the American lifestyle causing obesity.
Here is a thought...maybe, just maybe, kids are being over medicated. Parents seem to think that if there is a problem of any kind, medicine will fix it when, in reality, non-medical treatments (counseling, more time and attention from parents, getting the kids involved with extracurricular activities, etc.) might be more effective.
I believe in sending kids out to play and run off excess energy. I also believe that -some- kids need medication, but perhaps a few are being medicated for no other reason than their parents/teachers don't know how to deal with them. I just question how many kids in this study were medicated and if there could be a correlation between the two.
Overweight people know that they're overweight and they also know when their kids are. Young kids are not buying the food they eat...their parents are. Only parents can change the eating habits learned at home. Most people are not motivated to change for themselves and won't be for their kids either.
The parents know if their kids are fat... even if the kids are too young to realize it.. but they are too busy, or lazy or unmotivated to do anything about it.. Kids are spending way too much time in front of computers, tv, playing video games, texting when they should be outside playing.. Schools are a big part of the problem... too much homework, eliminating recess, and often encouraging parents to medicate little Sally or Sully because they are having a hard time concentrating..... they don't pay attention, they can't focus.. they fidget .. in short, they are kids...
These things are misleading - my cousin got one of these letters last year, and being tall for his age apparently they thought he was 'fat'. The kid couldn't be further from it. His 'extra' weight is mostly muscle and I wouldn't be surprised if he only had 5% fat on his whole body.
Sending a letter home will do little to change the problem. It'll just hurt the kid if they're actually NOT FAT, and for those who are overweight, not much is gonna stop that.
That's unlikely if it's based on his BMI, since it adjusts for height. It's a pretty unrealistic measurement tho, IMO, and doesn't take into account physical health.
I teach 6th grade. I have several ball chairs in my room. There have been 2 young men who were not allowed to sit in them. The weight limit on them is 275. The moms were not happy but I just came out and told them that they weighed too much. I got the outraged "My son doesn't weigh that much". I had the wrestling coach weigh them and write a note to the parents (both were going out for wrestling so would be weighed anyway). Sure enough #1 weighed 285 and #2 weighed 290. They were both about 5'8". Both moms weigh close to 300. Here is a news flash...don't feed them or eat so much. #1 had to eat in my room one day (lunch detention), he went to the salad bar and got a heap (3 cups or so) of potatoe salad and 6 slices of bread and proceeded to eat potatoe salad sandwiches and a 20 oz Mt. Dew (brought from home). I pitched my lunch so I didn't barf and never gave my a lunch detention again. So you don't have to tell parents their kids are obese, they can see it and a letter from school is not going to make a bit of difference to them.
I Have a 14 yr old son that is overweight and I was an overweight kid but my Mom and Dad brother and sister were skinny my MOm still weighs 110lbs at 52. I have never been obese but never skinny, I truly think genetics and also food addiction play a part. I have had my son in every sport and he is conditioning for High School football 5 days a week 3 hours a day all this summer. I am in shock he has only lost 3lbs. I was really hoping for more but it is hard for these kids to lose weight. I am a single Mom and I can't police everything 24/7 and believe me I see a nurtionist and I don't buy snack food, candy EVER and I try to cook low carbs. My son will eat fruit and salads with fat free dressing and he will even cook at his age but over eating with someone that easily gains weight even with healthy foods will still gain weight. My Mom had me on every diet you can think of from Atkins, Nutri-System, and weight watchers before age 11. I even had a personal trainer for 1 year and only lost 10lbs gaining muscle. I never felt good enough for my skinny family but I will say I am healthier than most of them even being "overweight". I believe that if the school is letting a child eat like that and sham on your for not stepping in and confronting the child or contacting the parents! I have no idea what my son eats at school , I do know I don't send ANYTHING to school and he isn't allowed to take money because I know they have soda and snack/vending machines. I would love to a call from a teacher warning me that my son's eating habits at school are out of control. It's negative attitudes and treating kids like they are stupid or beneath "normal" sized children that triggers the behavior as well. These kids have very few friends low self esteems and are killing themselves. I am not blaming you for any child being overweight that would be ignorant but please don't feed into the negativity and hate especially being a supposed example for these kids. I know budget cuts are tight but I am praying someday we as a nation will wake up and realize more of our kids are overweight or obese than not and we can start putting PE any physical education back in schools! DO you know my daughter's elementary school doesn't allow RUNNING on the playground?? Are you seriously kidding me? THey can't play tag or do much of anything and they have no field not much to do and my daughter says she basically stands around talking to other kids. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM!!! I send my daughter cold lunch also daily because she can't stand the school food for one and two it's healthier some of the food is high in fat and something I wouldn't feed my dog!!!! I hope you read this and think about the next time you see a child hurting and reach out to them not talk about how disgusting you think they are!
I think TJHarris' point is that a report card on weight will not make a difference if there is denial on the part of the parents. Also, I'm fairly confident that there are words that you misspell, as does everyone from time to time. Does this mean you are not good at your job?
Not having PT is a huge problem. But having parents not recognize their is an issue with weight and nutrition in there family is also a huge problem. This young man eats like that because that is how he eats at home. Another problem is also that fact that it costs a lot more to eat healthy, natural, and organic then to eat junk food. It also takes more time to prepare homemade food then packaged, pre-made or fast food.
Steph-your son is probably healthy, as you probably are (my assumption from your post) because you care. For many people the "perfect" size is not a reasonable goal. But being healthy at any size is. I was and still am (at 30 lbs overweight) the fat one in my family. I am however healthier than my skinny sister and last time we were out she got mistaken for my mom (she is 15 months older).
ABCzyx-if my spelling error is all you got out of my post then you didn't bother to read it or get my point.
TJHarris- I did read your post and I get your point. Perhaps you didn't get the point of my post, which is that you are a teacher and should be able to correctly spell words as simple as "potato". In addition, you should know to check your work using spell-check. How can students be expected to succeed when their teachers can't spell basic, simple words and then attempt to shrug off the error when someone brings it to light. I teach chemistry at a major university and have begun to deduct points from papers, lab reports and exams when students don't use proper grammar, spelling or punctuation simply because the situation as become so bad. One would expect college students to know better, but how can they when their grade school teachers can't set good examples for them?
Since my forgetting the spell-check button on that post offended you so badly I apologize. That you are a college professor doesn't get a lot of respect from me. You only teach the "cream of the crop". Most there on Mommy and Daddy's dollar.
My students are hard working students with learning disabilities, cognitive disabilities (some states call this mentally retarded), and emotional-behavioral disabilities. They are the students most colleges don't want on campus.
TJ Harris - Disregard the spell check comment. I appreciate your informed perspective and I recognize the difficult job you have. I would not call someone's teaching ability into question on the basis of a single typo. ABC needs to get some perspective. I am surprised that a chemistry professor would draw a conclusion based on a single data point. I agree that we should strive to have accurate spelling and grammar but there are too many posters on these threads that focus on silly spelling errors and miss the content. I see no purpose in such an exchange. Maybe they have attention control issues.
We need to stop ditching PE classes from schools to save money... it costs the country FAR MORE in the long run to have overweight citizens. PE should be REQUIRED... every semester. Just like we teach math, reading, social studies... health is just as important as ANY of the other subjects, and kids surely aren't learning it from their parents.
I wish it were mandatory in high school! I was only allowed (you can only take a class once) to take PE for half a year during the 4yrs I was there. Major fail.
I agree, but they need to have DIFFERENT PE classes too. In other words, learn different games, skills, exercises each year. Also, gear the classes to "life skill" sports -- things they can participate in and enjoy throughout their lives. Ironically, video games can be incorporated -- like the Wii ones where you dance, play sports, etc.
EVERY grade in school needs MANDATORY physical education; no matter what "condition" the student has. If they are in a wheel chair have exercises they can do in a wheel chair. Broken ankle; arm exercises. Broken arm; run. Stop allowing them to sit out or otherwise get out of gym.
However, that being said, the classes need to expect what students are ABLE to do. I was forced in high school to run hurdles or fail the class (required for graduation). I could not jump; had nothing to do with my fitness I'm just not physically able to do it, or wasn't taught how well enough to clear them. It really was a sick prank by the phys ed teacher; if you weren't a *star* athelete at the school you could NOT get a grade better than a C in phys ed- absolutely no one who wasn't top of the sport/sports they were in ever got better than a C. He got his kicks laughing at me and encouraging everyone else in the class to laugh as I hit one hurdle, fell, got up and jumped again just to hit the next one and fall again. I ripped every muscle in my legs and back and could barely walk for at least two weeks after that nightmare....
I could run though. I didn't enjoy it but I could; so that's what I wish I could have been allowed to do in order to get that C so I could pass.
My sport? Horseback riding. That's what I went to college to study. I was good at that; not exactly offered in high school :)
I doubt that most schools could run to horseback riding! But I take your point. I was forced in to gymnastics, hurt myself because I was not physically built to be a gymnast. They laughed at me too. (Doesn't mean I couldn't do other sports -- which I did.)
As I said earlier, I think PE these days needs to be geared to "life skills". It needs to foster a liking, if not a love, for physical activity -- and activities that can continue into older adulthood. Teach tennis, bowling, "race walking", biking, even dance. A key is not limiting things to team sports (such as baseball) but to foster individual pursuits.
Also an earlier point -- video games CAN be used; that's what the kids are used to. But use the ones that DON'T tie them to the couch! There are plenty of them out there!
I totally agree; PE needs to be life skills; not who is the sports super-star or to compete. Anything to get kids moving. My daughter happens to love gymnastics and competes. She's a great athelete. However, I don't expect the school to do more than simple gymnastics skills with students; I was also not built for gymnastics and it would have traumatized me to be forced to participate in that! I have the height (under 5'4) but scoliosis and trouble with flexibility.
My son bikes and runs, and participates in Boy Scouts. He's in pretty good shape though not so much an athelete I'm not worried about him since he does get out and move. I don't want either of my kids to give up sports and activities as I did when I was young; many of my favorite sports I gave up as it became clear that I was not star athelete material and began getting teased about the lack of athletic prowess.... PE was based on competition too, and that didn't help me any.
People are just too lazy and don't care... the article has been seeded for HOURS and has 10 comments. But post an article on Casey Anthony or Teen Moms and there are thousands of comments in the first hour.
Report cards on kids' weight don't make a difference
Duh! What a shocker? It's likely their parents don't give a @!$%# and or are lard asses themselves.
Come to think about it; I'd rather see the people's faces in those 'fat' stories on the news. We need some shame and embarrassment in this country. Besides, these folk's ginormous cottage cheese bellies and thighs stuffed into human jeans looks like sausage casings and gross me out.
I think the letters need to spell it out. They need to use words like "fat" and "unhealthy." They could start requiring fat kids to sit at double desks just like fat people have to take two seats on an airplane. They might get embarrassed enough to do something about it! Seriously, I saw a lady walking into Trader Joes today who had to be helped into the store she was so fat. I wanted to say to her, "If you lost 150 pounds you would not be in such bad physical condition." Her a$$ was huge and she was wearing yellow pants!
Its unbelievable that schools are putting any focus on things like the weight of children and gay history. Children need to leave school with the basic fundamentals that will allow them to function in life.
The schools have no business interferring with the way that children are raised. The money spent worrying about notifying parents that their kids are overweight, which they can clearly see by looking at their children, would be better spent and more effective overall if it were used to teach courses in nutrition and execise. Most kids want to learn and will listen it they are taught.
As a teacher, we cannot "raise" the children we have. We can give them all the health/nutrition classes in the world. However, if the home is not invested, it just doesn't work. Never has. That is why we need to stick with what does work-teaching academics.
You don't think the health of the kids is of concern to the schools?
Capt Tripps - I don't think that it is the responsibility of the schools and teachers to raise the kids. Sending letters to parents to inform them that their kids are overweight isn't going to change the home life of the students. Most parents don't have the time or money to make the effort to change. Many just plain don't care. Teach the kids proper nutrition and health in order to give them a foundation to make the changes that they can make on their own regardless of how unmotivated the parents might be. That will help the kids to make informed decisions. More might opt for yogurt and fruit when they stop at McDonald's with their friends for a snack than will opt for a burger.
Our culture has created this--it will take the whole culture to change it. I've been overweight, and I've changed my lifestyle entirely to not be anymore. There are about 400 different kinds of cookies and as many different kinds of ice cream in every supermarket. 25 different frozen pizzas. An entire AISLE of chips. Another of soda. There are no ads for broccoli, but every other one is for some ridiculously bad-for-you, empty calorie, non-nutritious, white flour carb laden, chemically enhanced "food." Most people wouldn't know a vegetable if it walked up and bit them on the enormous arse. They walk only from their couch to the fridge, and otherwise drive everywhere. And then, our "health care" system keeps them from reaping the consquences of their horrid habits by filling them full of prescriptions for diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. And then if they finally get huge enough, they get surgery to make them not be so "hungry" and lose weight. But of course, because many of them still have horrible habits and a psychological dependence on food, most don't reach and maintain a healthy weight. And finally, if someone points out that they are fat and unhealthy and unsightly, they scream that it's the last acceptable form of "discrimination," although their condition is ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY. I'm for a system of healthcare and insurance that charges people with unhealthy habits (overweight, smoking, sedentary lifestyle, etc) extra, unless they make real efforts to fix their problems and achieve modest results. And a legal system that treats it as abuse to make your kid obese, just like it would be if you lit up cigarrettes for your 5 year old.
My 15 year old 9th grade son received one of these "fat" letters. I threw it in the garbage. The boy is 6 foot 3, and his body is in proportion to his height. But by "government" standards he is overweight for his age. Bull****!! Should I try to find a way for him to stop growing....please. Schools should be putting more time into teaching, preparing our kids for the future, not nit picking about weight.
The BMI charts are very limited in the accuracy. Anyone over 6 foot if they have the weight to support the height is overweight. At 6'6" my husband is considered overweight once he is above 190 lbs. He has never weighed 190 as an adult and if he did he would be skeletal. The BMI charts are exactly what you said Bull****!! Keep telling the school that and advocating for him.
My 15 year old 9th grade son received one of these "fat" letters. I threw it in the garbage. The boy is 6 foot 3, and his body is in proportion to his height. But by "government" standards he is overweight for his age. Bull****!! Should I try to find a way for him to stop growing....please. Schools should be putting more time into teaching, preparing our kids for the future, not nit picking about weight.
What good does it do to tell the parents their kids are obese? They already know their kids are obese. They choose to ignore the problem. I believe that parents that don't actively try to help these children lose weight with exercise and diet need to have charges brought upon them for neglect. My family on my father's side are all very heavy, I myself am heavy, yet I take my children as well as myself to the gym every day. We refuse to feed our children boxed dinners. We do not buy chips, cookies, candy, or ice-cream. Instead we make them from scratch. We have taught them to read labels on food. We keep them from dyes, high fructose corn syrup, or hydrogenated oils. We have taught them to make simple healthy snacks and meals.
We refuse to purchase video games. We want them to go outside and play. If you sit in front of the t.v. all day they are not getting any physical activity. When this happens daily your body begins to shut itself down, and they begin to gain weight.
The schools also need to provide healthier lunches and breakfast. Instead of providing sugar filled cereals like fruit loops, fruity pebbles, why not have eggs and toast or breakfast sandwiches? Or instead of pizza and fried burritos and french fries have turkey sandwiches, fresh fruits, and salads. What room does the schools have to talk when they contribute to our child’s obesity just as much as the parents if not more if they are eating at the school 2/3 of the time.
The schools also need to provide healthier lunches and breakfast.
AngTink - the schools don't care because changing their standard menus would increase costs. When was it ever decided that kids should be given the option of flavored, sweetened milk rather than the good old white variety?
What a waste of time. These kids are fat because their parents taught them poor eating habits.
I graduated High School in 1987. Back then physical education was important and a required course. Now it's a program many school would prefer to cut out. I have seen the PE programs my kids are in at school and they are a joke.
Times have also changed. When i was young playing football, basketball, kick the can, tag, dodge ball were things we did for fun and play. Now it's just go home and play video games and watch TV.
What good does it do to tell the parents their kids are obese? They already know their kids are obese. They choose to ignore the problem. I believe that parents that don't actively try to help these children lose weight with exercise and diet need to have charges brought upon them for neglect. My family on my father's side are all very heavy, I myself am heavy, yet I take my children as well as myself to the gym every day. We refuse to feed our children boxed dinners. We do not buy chips, cookies, candy, or ice-cream. Instead we make them from scratch. We have taught them to read labels on food. We keep them from dyes, high fructose corn syrup, or hydrogenated oils. We have taught them to make simple healthy snacks and meals.
We refuse to purchase video games. We want them to go outside and play. If you sit in front of the t.v. all day they are not getting any physical activity. When this happens daily your body begins to shut itself down, and they begin to gain weight.
The schools also need to provide healthier lunches and breakfast. Instead of providing sugar filled cereals like fruit loops, fruity pebbles, why not have eggs and toast or breakfast sandwiches? Or instead of pizza and fried burritos and french fries have turkey sandwiches, fresh fruits, and salads. What room does the schools have to talk when they contribute to our child’s obesity just as much as the parents if not more if they are eating at the school 2/3 of the time.
BMI is a sham. It doesn't account for several types of bodies and height/weight ratio is only one small measure of a person's health. How about instead we try things like resting heart rate vs. age and blood pressure? You know, things that matter?
BMI is used by corporations to make money, just like most other "recommendations" given you by supposed "professionals."
I could SWEAR that I commented on this....but I'll say it again: THESE SCHOOL WEIGH INS ARE HUMILIATING! They are nosy, they are intrusive....the students' weight is NONE of the school's business! Schools are there to EDUCATE, and the child's weight ought to be between them, their parents, and their doctors ONLY!
I remember those @!$%#ing weigh ins. I saw girls who were NOT overweight...some of them were NOT on any teams, and still had AMAZING bodies. And these poor girls would take off their earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings, belts.....some even went into the bathrooms to take off their bras and underwear, for fear of the nurse blurting out that they were fat. I could see in the other girls eyes how uncomfortable it made them, being weighed in front of everybody.
I read an article about a group of students who put their foot down, and REFUSED to be weighed. GOOD FOR THEM! More kids should start refusing this. I wish I had.
This has to be one of the dumbest ideas in education. Some liberal do-gooder came up with this idea. All this does is bring hurt and attention to an overweight child. The kid knows he or she is overweight. The kid isn't stupid. He doesn't need a note sent home to his family telling him he's fat. This is morally bankrupt on the school's part.
I work in a high school and am overweight. They were doing the same thing to employees in our district. It's demoralizing.
You've got to be kidding me. These people couldn't just, you know, look at their kids and see that they had been hitting the Twinkies a bit too hard?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I’m also surprised that any government agency which thought that it needed to tell parents that their kids were fat would actually refer to these kids as “overweight” or “obese”. That is sooo politically incorrect.
A better phrase would be “vertically challenged”. Little Timmy is not “fat”, he is just vertically challenged; too short for his weight. According to our current standards he should be 9’-4 3/4” tall.
Yeah! One more example of government waste on a program that obviously isn't working! Bet they revamp the same unsuccessful program with new guidelines and regulations that obtains the exact same results at 10 times the cost.........
Here's a novel idea, stop serving pizza, hamburgers and fries at school and I'll bet some of the kids might actually loose a few pounds. Just a thought.
All of the kids today need to be outside playing more and inside watching TV, gaming, or computing a lot less.
I'll have you know that I'm quite the gamer, and I'm almost UNDER weight! Granted my metabolism must be astounding, but seriously, it's gotten to where my parents (who can be health nuts at times) encourage places like McDonald's so I can gain weight. A sedentary lifestyle can certainly be a factor, but please don't stigmatize TV/Games/Computers as they are great opportunities for creativity and imagination.
If Mommy and Daddy are porky couch potatoes, don't expect them to care if their kids are too.
They could send all the letters they want, but if the parents choose not to "see" their child's weight problem, then there is nothing the school can do. My daughter has a friend that is seriously overweight. They are not poor or undereducated. She is an only child. She does great in school and is actually a very intelligent kid. To be honest, school has nothing to do with it. Our school provides a very healthy lunch and limits snacks. There are no vending machines or soda. This child does all her overeating at home or after school. My daughter said she stops at the bagel shop everyday at gets something for the way home. When she has slept over her house, she will ask my daughter in the middle of the night if my daughter wants to sneak down to the kitchen to get cookies. On their way home from field day, they stopped at our local 7-11. My daughter bought a bottle of water. Her friend purchased the biggest slurpie that was available. When they go to the movies, she not only buys popcorn, but also an assortment of candy. Its not the schools, its the PARENTS.
There's a lot going on with our kids today so I have to ask, has anyone checked how many "overweight" kids are on psychiatric medications? I mean, several of them have weight gain listed as a significant side-effect...
Well, NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) estimates 1 in 10 kids has a mental illness. NIMH (National Institutes of Mental Health) has data from long-term studies (NHANES) that say ~50% of kids with mental illness has been treated in any way, not just meds. Putting those two stats together, maybe up to 1 in 20 kids is on psychotropic meds. The NHANES study on kids also shows about 1 in 3 is overweight and 16% of kids/teens are obese.
Further, realize that not all meds cause weight gain and some, like Ritalin (ie ADHD) actually list anorexia and weight LOSS as side effects. I'd venture a guess these are more prescribed than antipsychotics, etc, which do generally cause weight gain, excessive or slight. So the numbers just don't add up. Psychotropic meds are responsible for SOME overweight/obesity, but not a majority. There's a bigger problem than just meds causing obesity, it's the American lifestyle causing obesity.
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Here is a thought...maybe, just maybe, kids are being over medicated. Parents seem to think that if there is a problem of any kind, medicine will fix it when, in reality, non-medical treatments (counseling, more time and attention from parents, getting the kids involved with extracurricular activities, etc.) might be more effective.
I believe in sending kids out to play and run off excess energy. I also believe that -some- kids need medication, but perhaps a few are being medicated for no other reason than their parents/teachers don't know how to deal with them. I just question how many kids in this study were medicated and if there could be a correlation between the two.
Overweight people know that they're overweight and they also know when their kids are. Young kids are not buying the food they eat...their parents are. Only parents can change the eating habits learned at home. Most people are not motivated to change for themselves and won't be for their kids either.
The parents know if their kids are fat... even if the kids are too young to realize it.. but they are too busy, or lazy or unmotivated to do anything about it.. Kids are spending way too much time in front of computers, tv, playing video games, texting when they should be outside playing.. Schools are a big part of the problem... too much homework, eliminating recess, and often encouraging parents to medicate little Sally or Sully because they are having a hard time concentrating..... they don't pay attention, they can't focus.. they fidget .. in short, they are kids...
These things are misleading - my cousin got one of these letters last year, and being tall for his age apparently they thought he was 'fat'. The kid couldn't be further from it. His 'extra' weight is mostly muscle and I wouldn't be surprised if he only had 5% fat on his whole body.
Sending a letter home will do little to change the problem. It'll just hurt the kid if they're actually NOT FAT, and for those who are overweight, not much is gonna stop that.
That's unlikely if it's based on his BMI, since it adjusts for height. It's a pretty unrealistic measurement tho, IMO, and doesn't take into account physical health.
I teach 6th grade. I have several ball chairs in my room. There have been 2 young men who were not allowed to sit in them. The weight limit on them is 275. The moms were not happy but I just came out and told them that they weighed too much. I got the outraged "My son doesn't weigh that much". I had the wrestling coach weigh them and write a note to the parents (both were going out for wrestling so would be weighed anyway). Sure enough #1 weighed 285 and #2 weighed 290. They were both about 5'8". Both moms weigh close to 300. Here is a news flash...don't feed them or eat so much. #1 had to eat in my room one day (lunch detention), he went to the salad bar and got a heap (3 cups or so) of potatoe salad and 6 slices of bread and proceeded to eat potatoe salad sandwiches and a 20 oz Mt. Dew (brought from home). I pitched my lunch so I didn't barf and never gave my a lunch detention again. So you don't have to tell parents their kids are obese, they can see it and a letter from school is not going to make a bit of difference to them.
I Have a 14 yr old son that is overweight and I was an overweight kid but my Mom and Dad brother and sister were skinny my MOm still weighs 110lbs at 52. I have never been obese but never skinny, I truly think genetics and also food addiction play a part. I have had my son in every sport and he is conditioning for High School football 5 days a week 3 hours a day all this summer. I am in shock he has only lost 3lbs. I was really hoping for more but it is hard for these kids to lose weight. I am a single Mom and I can't police everything 24/7 and believe me I see a nurtionist and I don't buy snack food, candy EVER and I try to cook low carbs. My son will eat fruit and salads with fat free dressing and he will even cook at his age but over eating with someone that easily gains weight even with healthy foods will still gain weight. My Mom had me on every diet you can think of from Atkins, Nutri-System, and weight watchers before age 11. I even had a personal trainer for 1 year and only lost 10lbs gaining muscle. I never felt good enough for my skinny family but I will say I am healthier than most of them even being "overweight". I believe that if the school is letting a child eat like that and sham on your for not stepping in and confronting the child or contacting the parents! I have no idea what my son eats at school , I do know I don't send ANYTHING to school and he isn't allowed to take money because I know they have soda and snack/vending machines. I would love to a call from a teacher warning me that my son's eating habits at school are out of control. It's negative attitudes and treating kids like they are stupid or beneath "normal" sized children that triggers the behavior as well. These kids have very few friends low self esteems and are killing themselves. I am not blaming you for any child being overweight that would be ignorant but please don't feed into the negativity and hate especially being a supposed example for these kids. I know budget cuts are tight but I am praying someday we as a nation will wake up and realize more of our kids are overweight or obese than not and we can start putting PE any physical education back in schools! DO you know my daughter's elementary school doesn't allow RUNNING on the playground?? Are you seriously kidding me? THey can't play tag or do much of anything and they have no field not much to do and my daughter says she basically stands around talking to other kids. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM!!! I send my daughter cold lunch also daily because she can't stand the school food for one and two it's healthier some of the food is high in fat and something I wouldn't feed my dog!!!! I hope you read this and think about the next time you see a child hurting and reach out to them not talk about how disgusting you think they are!
TJHarris - sorry to have to point this out, but how good a teacher are you if you can't spell "potato"?
I think TJHarris' point is that a report card on weight will not make a difference if there is denial on the part of the parents. Also, I'm fairly confident that there are words that you misspell, as does everyone from time to time. Does this mean you are not good at your job?
Not having PT is a huge problem. But having parents not recognize their is an issue with weight and nutrition in there family is also a huge problem. This young man eats like that because that is how he eats at home. Another problem is also that fact that it costs a lot more to eat healthy, natural, and organic then to eat junk food. It also takes more time to prepare homemade food then packaged, pre-made or fast food.
Steph-your son is probably healthy, as you probably are (my assumption from your post) because you care. For many people the "perfect" size is not a reasonable goal. But being healthy at any size is. I was and still am (at 30 lbs overweight) the fat one in my family. I am however healthier than my skinny sister and last time we were out she got mistaken for my mom (she is 15 months older).
ABCzyx-if my spelling error is all you got out of my post then you didn't bother to read it or get my point.
TJHarris- I did read your post and I get your point. Perhaps you didn't get the point of my post, which is that you are a teacher and should be able to correctly spell words as simple as "potato". In addition, you should know to check your work using spell-check. How can students be expected to succeed when their teachers can't spell basic, simple words and then attempt to shrug off the error when someone brings it to light. I teach chemistry at a major university and have begun to deduct points from papers, lab reports and exams when students don't use proper grammar, spelling or punctuation simply because the situation as become so bad. One would expect college students to know better, but how can they when their grade school teachers can't set good examples for them?
Since my forgetting the spell-check button on that post offended you so badly I apologize. That you are a college professor doesn't get a lot of respect from me. You only teach the "cream of the crop". Most there on Mommy and Daddy's dollar.
My students are hard working students with learning disabilities, cognitive disabilities (some states call this mentally retarded), and emotional-behavioral disabilities. They are the students most colleges don't want on campus.
TJ Harris - Disregard the spell check comment. I appreciate your informed perspective and I recognize the difficult job you have. I would not call someone's teaching ability into question on the basis of a single typo. ABC needs to get some perspective. I am surprised that a chemistry professor would draw a conclusion based on a single data point. I agree that we should strive to have accurate spelling and grammar but there are too many posters on these threads that focus on silly spelling errors and miss the content. I see no purpose in such an exchange. Maybe they have attention control issues.
We need to stop ditching PE classes from schools to save money... it costs the country FAR MORE in the long run to have overweight citizens. PE should be REQUIRED... every semester. Just like we teach math, reading, social studies... health is just as important as ANY of the other subjects, and kids surely aren't learning it from their parents.
I wish it were mandatory in high school! I was only allowed (you can only take a class once) to take PE for half a year during the 4yrs I was there. Major fail.
I agree, but they need to have DIFFERENT PE classes too. In other words, learn different games, skills, exercises each year. Also, gear the classes to "life skill" sports -- things they can participate in and enjoy throughout their lives. Ironically, video games can be incorporated -- like the Wii ones where you dance, play sports, etc.
EVERY grade in school needs MANDATORY physical education; no matter what "condition" the student has. If they are in a wheel chair have exercises they can do in a wheel chair. Broken ankle; arm exercises. Broken arm; run. Stop allowing them to sit out or otherwise get out of gym.
However, that being said, the classes need to expect what students are ABLE to do. I was forced in high school to run hurdles or fail the class (required for graduation). I could not jump; had nothing to do with my fitness I'm just not physically able to do it, or wasn't taught how well enough to clear them. It really was a sick prank by the phys ed teacher; if you weren't a *star* athelete at the school you could NOT get a grade better than a C in phys ed- absolutely no one who wasn't top of the sport/sports they were in ever got better than a C. He got his kicks laughing at me and encouraging everyone else in the class to laugh as I hit one hurdle, fell, got up and jumped again just to hit the next one and fall again. I ripped every muscle in my legs and back and could barely walk for at least two weeks after that nightmare....
I could run though. I didn't enjoy it but I could; so that's what I wish I could have been allowed to do in order to get that C so I could pass.
My sport? Horseback riding. That's what I went to college to study. I was good at that; not exactly offered in high school :)
I doubt that most schools could run to horseback riding! But I take your point. I was forced in to gymnastics, hurt myself because I was not physically built to be a gymnast. They laughed at me too. (Doesn't mean I couldn't do other sports -- which I did.)
As I said earlier, I think PE these days needs to be geared to "life skills". It needs to foster a liking, if not a love, for physical activity -- and activities that can continue into older adulthood. Teach tennis, bowling, "race walking", biking, even dance. A key is not limiting things to team sports (such as baseball) but to foster individual pursuits.
Also an earlier point -- video games CAN be used; that's what the kids are used to. But use the ones that DON'T tie them to the couch! There are plenty of them out there!
I totally agree; PE needs to be life skills; not who is the sports super-star or to compete. Anything to get kids moving. My daughter happens to love gymnastics and competes. She's a great athelete. However, I don't expect the school to do more than simple gymnastics skills with students; I was also not built for gymnastics and it would have traumatized me to be forced to participate in that! I have the height (under 5'4) but scoliosis and trouble with flexibility.
My son bikes and runs, and participates in Boy Scouts. He's in pretty good shape though not so much an athelete I'm not worried about him since he does get out and move. I don't want either of my kids to give up sports and activities as I did when I was young; many of my favorite sports I gave up as it became clear that I was not star athelete material and began getting teased about the lack of athletic prowess.... PE was based on competition too, and that didn't help me any.
People are just too lazy and don't care... the article has been seeded for HOURS and has 10 comments. But post an article on Casey Anthony or Teen Moms and there are thousands of comments in the first hour.
Duh! What a shocker? It's likely their parents don't give a @!$%# and or are lard asses themselves.
Come to think about it; I'd rather see the people's faces in those 'fat' stories on the news. We need some shame and embarrassment in this country. Besides, these folk's ginormous cottage cheese bellies and thighs stuffed into human jeans looks like sausage casings and gross me out.
Uhhhh.... What's up Doc?
I think the letters need to spell it out. They need to use words like "fat" and "unhealthy." They could start requiring fat kids to sit at double desks just like fat people have to take two seats on an airplane. They might get embarrassed enough to do something about it! Seriously, I saw a lady walking into Trader Joes today who had to be helped into the store she was so fat. I wanted to say to her, "If you lost 150 pounds you would not be in such bad physical condition." Her a$$ was huge and she was wearing yellow pants!
Its unbelievable that schools are putting any focus on things like the weight of children and gay history. Children need to leave school with the basic fundamentals that will allow them to function in life.
Don't forget, this is California we are talking about.
The schools have no business interferring with the way that children are raised. The money spent worrying about notifying parents that their kids are overweight, which they can clearly see by looking at their children, would be better spent and more effective overall if it were used to teach courses in nutrition and execise. Most kids want to learn and will listen it they are taught.
You don't think the health of the kids is of concern to the schools?
As a teacher, we cannot "raise" the children we have. We can give them all the health/nutrition classes in the world. However, if the home is not invested, it just doesn't work. Never has. That is why we need to stick with what does work-teaching academics.
Capt Tripps - I don't think that it is the responsibility of the schools and teachers to raise the kids. Sending letters to parents to inform them that their kids are overweight isn't going to change the home life of the students. Most parents don't have the time or money to make the effort to change. Many just plain don't care. Teach the kids proper nutrition and health in order to give them a foundation to make the changes that they can make on their own regardless of how unmotivated the parents might be. That will help the kids to make informed decisions. More might opt for yogurt and fruit when they stop at McDonald's with their friends for a snack than will opt for a burger.
One more thing the schools don't need to be doing. Next we'll hear it's part of "No Child Left Behind" to grade schools on.
Our culture has created this--it will take the whole culture to change it. I've been overweight, and I've changed my lifestyle entirely to not be anymore. There are about 400 different kinds of cookies and as many different kinds of ice cream in every supermarket. 25 different frozen pizzas. An entire AISLE of chips. Another of soda. There are no ads for broccoli, but every other one is for some ridiculously bad-for-you, empty calorie, non-nutritious, white flour carb laden, chemically enhanced "food." Most people wouldn't know a vegetable if it walked up and bit them on the enormous arse. They walk only from their couch to the fridge, and otherwise drive everywhere. And then, our "health care" system keeps them from reaping the consquences of their horrid habits by filling them full of prescriptions for diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. And then if they finally get huge enough, they get surgery to make them not be so "hungry" and lose weight. But of course, because many of them still have horrible habits and a psychological dependence on food, most don't reach and maintain a healthy weight. And finally, if someone points out that they are fat and unhealthy and unsightly, they scream that it's the last acceptable form of "discrimination," although their condition is ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY. I'm for a system of healthcare and insurance that charges people with unhealthy habits (overweight, smoking, sedentary lifestyle, etc) extra, unless they make real efforts to fix their problems and achieve modest results. And a legal system that treats it as abuse to make your kid obese, just like it would be if you lit up cigarrettes for your 5 year old.
My 15 year old 9th grade son received one of these "fat" letters. I threw it in the garbage. The boy is 6 foot 3, and his body is in proportion to his height. But by "government" standards he is overweight for his age. Bull****!! Should I try to find a way for him to stop growing....please. Schools should be putting more time into teaching, preparing our kids for the future, not nit picking about weight.
The BMI charts are very limited in the accuracy. Anyone over 6 foot if they have the weight to support the height is overweight. At 6'6" my husband is considered overweight once he is above 190 lbs. He has never weighed 190 as an adult and if he did he would be skeletal. The BMI charts are exactly what you said Bull****!! Keep telling the school that and advocating for him.
My 15 year old 9th grade son received one of these "fat" letters. I threw it in the garbage. The boy is 6 foot 3, and his body is in proportion to his height. But by "government" standards he is overweight for his age. Bull****!! Should I try to find a way for him to stop growing....please. Schools should be putting more time into teaching, preparing our kids for the future, not nit picking about weight.
What good does it do to tell the parents their kids are obese? They already know their kids are obese. They choose to ignore the problem. I believe that parents that don't actively try to help these children lose weight with exercise and diet need to have charges brought upon them for neglect. My family on my father's side are all very heavy, I myself am heavy, yet I take my children as well as myself to the gym every day. We refuse to feed our children boxed dinners. We do not buy chips, cookies, candy, or ice-cream. Instead we make them from scratch. We have taught them to read labels on food. We keep them from dyes, high fructose corn syrup, or hydrogenated oils. We have taught them to make simple healthy snacks and meals.
We refuse to purchase video games. We want them to go outside and play. If you sit in front of the t.v. all day they are not getting any physical activity. When this happens daily your body begins to shut itself down, and they begin to gain weight.
The schools also need to provide healthier lunches and breakfast. Instead of providing sugar filled cereals like fruit loops, fruity pebbles, why not have eggs and toast or breakfast sandwiches? Or instead of pizza and fried burritos and french fries have turkey sandwiches, fresh fruits, and salads. What room does the schools have to talk when they contribute to our child’s obesity just as much as the parents if not more if they are eating at the school 2/3 of the time.
AngTink - the schools don't care because changing their standard menus would increase costs. When was it ever decided that kids should be given the option of flavored, sweetened milk rather than the good old white variety?
What a waste of time. These kids are fat because their parents taught them poor eating habits.
I graduated High School in 1987. Back then physical education was important and a required course. Now it's a program many school would prefer to cut out. I have seen the PE programs my kids are in at school and they are a joke.
Times have also changed. When i was young playing football, basketball, kick the can, tag, dodge ball were things we did for fun and play. Now it's just go home and play video games and watch TV.
The blame falls to the kids parents.
What good does it do to tell the parents their kids are obese? They already know their kids are obese. They choose to ignore the problem. I believe that parents that don't actively try to help these children lose weight with exercise and diet need to have charges brought upon them for neglect. My family on my father's side are all very heavy, I myself am heavy, yet I take my children as well as myself to the gym every day. We refuse to feed our children boxed dinners. We do not buy chips, cookies, candy, or ice-cream. Instead we make them from scratch. We have taught them to read labels on food. We keep them from dyes, high fructose corn syrup, or hydrogenated oils. We have taught them to make simple healthy snacks and meals.
We refuse to purchase video games. We want them to go outside and play. If you sit in front of the t.v. all day they are not getting any physical activity. When this happens daily your body begins to shut itself down, and they begin to gain weight.
The schools also need to provide healthier lunches and breakfast. Instead of providing sugar filled cereals like fruit loops, fruity pebbles, why not have eggs and toast or breakfast sandwiches? Or instead of pizza and fried burritos and french fries have turkey sandwiches, fresh fruits, and salads. What room does the schools have to talk when they contribute to our child’s obesity just as much as the parents if not more if they are eating at the school 2/3 of the time.
I haven't eaten school lunch in years and my 4th grader never eats it. That way I know what she eats and what I eat.
BMI is a sham. It doesn't account for several types of bodies and height/weight ratio is only one small measure of a person's health. How about instead we try things like resting heart rate vs. age and blood pressure? You know, things that matter?
BMI is used by corporations to make money, just like most other "recommendations" given you by supposed "professionals."
I could SWEAR that I commented on this....but I'll say it again: THESE SCHOOL WEIGH INS ARE HUMILIATING! They are nosy, they are intrusive....the students' weight is NONE of the school's business! Schools are there to EDUCATE, and the child's weight ought to be between them, their parents, and their doctors ONLY!
I remember those @!$%#ing weigh ins. I saw girls who were NOT overweight...some of them were NOT on any teams, and still had AMAZING bodies. And these poor girls would take off their earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings, belts.....some even went into the bathrooms to take off their bras and underwear, for fear of the nurse blurting out that they were fat. I could see in the other girls eyes how uncomfortable it made them, being weighed in front of everybody.
I read an article about a group of students who put their foot down, and REFUSED to be weighed. GOOD FOR THEM! More kids should start refusing this. I wish I had.
This has to be one of the dumbest ideas in education. Some liberal do-gooder came up with this idea. All this does is bring hurt and attention to an overweight child. The kid knows he or she is overweight. The kid isn't stupid. He doesn't need a note sent home to his family telling him he's fat. This is morally bankrupt on the school's part.
I work in a high school and am overweight. They were doing the same thing to employees in our district. It's demoralizing.
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