I don't know why this has to be such an important subject. When done properly there is no significant pain involved. There is more pain in giving an inoculation than there is in a circumcision. As far as religious beliefs are concerned; the Jewish community is the main religion in which circumcision is a part of their faith. In the New Testament the Apostle Paul makes it quite clear that is is no longer a requirement.

I don't know how effective it is but I understand there is a procedure in which a circumcision can be reversed. Also circumcision is still an option as an adult. Its a matter of personal preference. My parents had me circumcised and I have had no complaints from any of the women I've been with. If you are happy with the way you are then I am happy with the way I am.

Have a grezt day.

Apostle Paul makes it quite clear that is is no longer a requirement

Drbacon: the snip is not required for gentiles.

I suspect that the not completly formed infant pleasure areas of the brain (the sensory areas that feed into pleasure) fully rewires itself so that it is fully receptive from the nerves from skin receptors. This process happens in adult life as well. Ask anyone with tinnitus or phantom limb syndrome. Thus an arguement could be made that circumcised kids may be MORE sensitive.

....and, it could also be said, that "stinky" sweat, is a normal function

of the bodies of men and women....

Therefore, soap and water, could BE a "human rights violation"!!

MAY we see a petition on the ballot (?),

in FAVOR of *Being allowed to SMELL TERRIBLE*, if WE so desire ??!

Initiative, P and U.

Sweat and BO have a direct offensive effect on everyone around them. Whether one is circumcised or not cannot be noticed and is no ones business. Only the woman you are having a relationship with needs to know and most of the women I've come in contact with don't seem to care.

It's like the old saying:

"It's not what you got, it's how you use it."

....and as a man, I say, *Use *IT* WELL!!

By the Way, people,
the REASON, that the Medical Community decided that Circumcision was Good,
WAS,
the foreskin, sometimes, IF NOT Cleaned Properly, DAILY
many times was a breeding-ground for harmful bacteria.

This harmful bacteria, one MIGHT Say, is a Man's RIGHT to Grow, and Harbor,

BUT, I'll BET,
That it was WOMEN Doctors, that decided that the foreskin HAD TO GO!!!

LOL. I don't know about that but proper and regular cleaning of all body parts is necessary to prevent growth or harmful and odorous bacteria.

As far as the women doctors, I would think that unless they are virgin, they would realize that once inside, (if you know what I mean) it really makes no difference.

WHY do YOU think that Circumcision for Males is Currently So Prevalent??!!

Because of custom. The men of ancient Israel were told to remove their fore skin as a sign to other nations that they were Gods chosen people. The Israeli tribe of Judah does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah and so rejects any of His or his apostles teachings that differ from the ancient laws. But because of this ancient law even non Jews still practice this custom today.

drbacon,

I am sure that you are fully aware that Jesus, as a man, WAS Circumcised.

and EVERY Apostle, as men, WERE Circumcised.

Maybe you are NOT aware that ALL Jews Believe in a Messiah, a Christ,

and maybe you are NOT aware that there ARE Jews, that DO BELIEVE,

that Jesus, WAS and IS THAT Messiah, THAT Christ, the Son,
AWARE of HIS FATHER

as ALL, WE Children, although ALSO BEING GOD's Sons (and Daughters),
are UNaware of OUR FATHER.

IF YOU, drbacon, ARE a *Believer*, then be aware that,

The Belief of the*Second COMING* of The Christ,
and The Belief of The *First Coming* of The Messiah,

ARE THE SAME.

IF Jesus, in Mortal, Earthly Form, were to step NOW, before us,
as HE had previously;
HIS Body, as previously,
WILL BE CIRCUMCISED!

drbacon,

Sorry, didn't mean to "sermonize"!

....again, though,

The AWAITED Messiah's *COMING*

and

The AWAITED Christ's *Second COMING*

WILL UNITE The *True Believers*

AS, ALL Will KNOW,
The Messiah and The Christ,

Will BE, The Same Incarnation.

....and drbacon, there are NO Real Atheists; Those People are Agnostics.

RobVanLaun,

The LEADING Nation in the World Today, BELIEVES in Circumcision!!!

I wonder WHAT Tomorrow will bring, to the World??!!

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. But I don't think it's a matter of repression at all. Just simply following a tradition.

tradition? really? a tradition from a few decades in mid-twentieth century? the majority of American citisens are 3rd - 4th generation descendants of European immigrants who brought no circumcision traditions with them and still do not circumcise to this day back in the native countries. You are wrong, it is a matter of sexual regressiveness, there is something radically lacking in the reasoning and logical thought processes of people who would allow this to be done to a child

the prevalence of circumcision in America grew out of a mistaken notion that to be circumcised was to be cleaner and healthier

"....to be circumcised, was to be cleaner and healthier".
...and America and American Doctors and American Researchers and American Medicine, is, YOU Think, is mistaken?!

( America and American Doctors and American Researchers and American Medicine )

No I am not mistaken, you simply believe that everything that is done, or has been done in the USA is the correct way. Well, it is not!

I have a question for you; if circumcision is so advanced, why have other modern nations not adopted the practise? In so many areas of life the USA's practises are not best anymore as they were once considered.

I WONDER!!??
I wonder about some of the "Modern" Nations!!

RobVanLaun,

In your #2, you write,
"....without a person's consent, is a Human Rights Violation".

Okay!!
THAT Statement of Yours, if accepted,
Concerning Human Rights Violations ,
would be even MORE TRUE, and an indictment of The Scandinavian Countries,
IF we considered,
THAT,
in Denmark and Norway, an *Induced* abortion, can BE PERFORMED, legally,
up until the 12th week of gestation, and after that, ILLEGAL!
In Sweden, an *Induced* abortion, can be PERFORMED, legally,
up until the 18th week of gestation.

Talking about "Human Rights Violations"....!!!!
Murder is a MUCH BIGGER Human Rights Violation than Circumcision(!!!),
WOULD YOU agree!!!

your analogy is laughably absurd! you need to do a little better than such a ridiculous comparison

Rob,

um....um....um....

Rob, I don't know exactly what to say to a person that thinks that,
MURDERING a child that is shortly to be Born,
is LESS BAD, than
Circumcising a Child shortly after that child is Born.

To USE your phrase, Rob, with a very small paraphrase,

"....(Murder)....IS far WORSE, because it involves an unnecessary
and DAMAGING alteration" of the child's Life; his DEATH!!!

you cannot compare the two scenarios, to be quite frank what in the world does the one have to do with other - they are incomparable

I have a question for you; if circumcision is so advanced, why have other modern nations not adopted the practise? In so many areas of life the USA's practises are not best anymore as they were once considered.

PLease answer this

Rob,

I took this time to study the question a bit; SO,

1) The presence of a prepuce is likely to result in an increased incidence
of micro-organisms, in the warm, moist mucous environment under the foreskin.

2) Benefits include a decrease in physical problems such as Urinary tract infections
decreased sexually transmitted disease; the elimination of penile cancer in middle-aged men.

3) The sensitivity during sexual intercourse, is in fact identical, according to men that were circumcised as adults.

4a) The Proponents of NOT Circumcising DO STRESS that lifelong penile hygiene IS Required. This Acknowledges that "Something Harmful or UNpleasant" is happening under the prepuce.

4b) A STUDY of British schoolboys FOUND That Penile Hygiene, Does NOT exist.

4c) A question, in the Medical Observer, "What man(?), after a *Night of Passion*
is going to perform penile hygiene, BEFORE he rolls over to sleep the night away;
(with pathogenic organisms multiplying in the warm & moist environment of the Prepuse!)?

4) The bacterium E. coli, which is pathogenic to the urinary tract, has been SHOWN to be Capable of adhering to the foreskin; this Causes a Greatly increased RISK, in UN-Circumcized Boys.

5) The DIFFICULTY in keeping bacteria "at Bay" in this part of the Body,"
NOT PERFORMING Circumcision, is LESS EFFECTIVE than having it DONE!

6) The Epidemic of Cervical Cancer in Australia, and Many Countries in the World,
is due, in part, to the UN-Circumcised Male.

7) the foreskin could physically trap HIV-Infected vaginal secretions; AND
provide a very "hospitable" environment for the infectious innoculum.

8) Homosexual Men, were TWICE as likely to be HIV Positive, if they were UNCIRCUMCISED.

9) Men, who were Circumcised as adults, were pleased with the Result,
and Reported that there was NO Decrease in Sensitivity.

10) Women Favored a Circumcised Penis, for Appearance and for Hygiene.

11) Some Women were NAUSEATED by the SMELL of an UN-Circumcised Penis, where, if Left UN-Cleaned, bacteria and other micro-organisms, proliferate UNDER the foreskin.

12) The UN-Circumcised Penis, was found by women to be EASIER to elicit orgasm by hand.

13) The Circumcised Penis was FAVORED by Women for ORAL SEX!!

Rob, aside from the HEALTH BENEFITS of a Circumcised Penis,
MANY (MOST) Men, do NOT Want SMELL to be THE Cause,
for a GAG Reflex from Women.

if circumcision is such a "health advantage" why havn't other modern industrialised nations adopted the practise?

Rob,

Circumcision IS a Protection against the Worldwide Epidemic of the AIDS Virus.

GOD Works in *Mysterious Ways*.

I present you with the PREMISE of a Story of The Future;

<>The Circumcised WILL Inherit The Earth<>.

Rob, You and Others May believe whatever You DESIRE;

Some on Earth WILL LIVE;

and Some on Earth Will NOT.

please answer the question; why are other modren nations not routinely circumcising their boys? until you answer this question, you have no credibility

Rob,

might it be a subliminal *Death Wish*??

Think of ALL The MIGHTY Nations of Our Past,

think on THIS:

Q. "WHERE are These ONCE Mighty Nations NOW??!!

and Speaking of Britain ONLY...

Britannia ONCE UPON A TIME, Ruled.

Rob, THE ANSWER IS:

The Nations of the *UN-Circumcised*, either The "Modern" or The "Backward"

MAY FALL to the INCURABLE AIDS Epidemic.

Time WILL Tell