As much as I love people who find it annoying and hilarious whenever science points out the obvious, I feel I should, gently, let you know that in this case, you're the one that came out as the dumb one. Please re-read the article, and read more carefully in the future, so as to avoid such embarrasingly wrong comments.
I re-read the article. While my comment was brief, I believe this finding is nothing new. I disagree with the article's assumption that in humans, reducing the hunger affect will automatically lead to a healthier life.
Nothing in this article is new except for the fact that they blocked this process in mice. There are other signals for hunger. The author just seems to take a routine scientific finding and cast it as a possible cure for obesity. Just state the facts of the experiment. Don't overhype it as a possible cure for obsesity.
I find few articles published for the average person to be fully accurate and as groundbreaking as they may make it sound. However, I don't think that is the true issue here. The research is important for those suffering from TRUE medical obesity. It is simply another piece of the puzzle.
Where I differ is why money is being spent to resolve a crises (rising obesity) that has its roots in nutrition, not medical necessity. I would assert that if we were to eat a diet appropriate for humans, we would generally not have this issue, nor many other rapidly increasing illnesses. It is not necessarily a matter of eating less. See my entries below for more details on my personal research resulting in my assertion...
As a scientist in the area of research, I'm amazed out how poorly written this is. This sends entirely the wrong message and lacks so much information. I find it disappointing that anyone would let this be published as it is an insult to the scientific community and misleads the public.
I agree about the wrong message, and I don't know your interpretation of this issue. To me, finding a medical "cure" for obesity and other illnesses so that people can pop a pill to resolve an illness is a poor message. It just perpetuates our lack of addressing what I feel to be the real issue.
From personal research I have found that the real issue appears to be poor nutrition. I assert that if we provided our body with nutrition appropriate for the human body, that illnesses like obesity, diabetes and many others would disappear. This would save us billions on health care costs, and improve our health and longevity.
As a scientist in this field I'm amazed that anyone would publish such a poorly written article. For one, there are many many other signals involved in this process, not just AgRP (which by the way, has been known about for quite some years/decades now). Also, there are different signals for hunger and satiation, not just one. And finally, how exactly does the author think that a method for knocking out genes can be used on humans? Do they even understand what that means? Doubtful.
This is an insult to the scientific field and horrifyingly irresponsible journalism to the public. You should be ashamed.
I do not agree with the author. Two weeks ago I started with the traditional diet. I use the diet plan on the website <a href="" target=_blank> . Already show the first successes. Both remain in the traditional method - eat less and you lose weight.
The problem with traditional diets is that they work short-term and fail long-term. The problem lies in the brain. There are hormones in the stomach and in the brain and it is not at all easy to eat less when these hormones are screaming at you to eat more.
You can use will-power for a while but it takes more than will-power to shut off these signals for months and years.
People don't eat because they're hungry, but because eating stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain. I don't go rooting through the pantry at 8pm because my stomach's growling. I want chocolate or chips or even, occasionally, something healthy like grapes.
Don't Diet!! Change your eating habits instead. Keep eating some of the things you love and can't live without but eat LESS!! DON'T SUPER-SIZE! Eat 5 or 6 small meals and snacks a day (not the high fat kind). You really can live without soft drinks. Even "diet" soft-drinks are worthless and inhibit weight loss. I am 60ish, 5'7" and 120 lbs. I know what I'm talking about. I drink wine and other alcoholic beverages (but not to excess). I eat desert regularly, peanut butter almost every day, love salads, fish, yogurt, protein bars, 100% juices and coffee.
We live in a societ that can't look at themselves and see that they are the cause of their problems. It's not their fault that they don't eat breakfast, gorge themselves on fries at lunch, eat a huge dinner, then go to bed. It's McDonald's fault for offering huge portions, and societies fault for making dinner to be the most important meal of the day. No one has time to eat breakfast because we can't be late for work. Blah...blah...blah. Whatever... Give us a pill that will make it all better now so I can get back to my self destructive eating habits.
I changed my eating habits a year ago. I didn't go on a diet. Diets don't work. I made a conscious decision to stop the destructive patterns and modified my behavior. I eat 6 times a day, not to excess unless it's a special occasion, and I made it a point to not give up anything I'd normally eat. I still eat my candy, but only on 2 days a week. I excercise (which is still a 4 letter word to many Americans) to keep healthy. As a reward, I dropped 70 lbs of fat and gained 15 lbs of muscle.
Take responsibility for yourselves, and stop waiting for science to find your miracle in a pill.
So now people have another excuse for giving up when trying to change their lifestyle toward a healthier life.
"Doctors said my brain makes me do it, I can't help myself!" *stuffs cookies into mouth*
Yes, your brain tells you you're hungry. Drink some water. Go for a brisk walk. Eat reasonably. There is no excuse for not being "fit." You don't have to be any particular weight or shape, just be healthy.
Yeah, stupid BRAIN! Telling me I'm hungry! It also tells me to sleep in 'till 10, not go to work, watch TV all day, take whatever I want at the store without paying, and to kiss every attractive person I see, but I ignore it. I call it my reptile brain. My frontal lobes tell me to work out, eat healthfully, and resist temptation.
Matt--you might want to try engaging your brain a little bit more and your "mouth" (that is, your fingers) a little bit less. Many people who are overweight do not dine on cookies--they can't afford it. They cannot take a "brisk walk" because they don't live in neighborhoods where that is safe (I triple dog dare you to come and take a walk in my suburban neighborhood--the last time I tried it, someone intentionally aimed her car at me and tried to give me a good scare--it is assumed that anyone walking doesn't live here).
What do you mean by "reasonably"? Do you seriously think that most of the people that you see eat "unreasonably"? It is not excess of food that makes people overweight--it is excess of calories and the wrong sort of calories. You can eat a very small serving of something inexpensive--say, a $1 doublecheeseburger at McDonald's--and you just knocked back 440 calories. Eat two double cheeseburgers (one for lunch, one for dinner) and a 80-cent sausage and biscuit for breakfast (480 calories), and you just took in 1400 calories--more than a woman who wants to lose weight should eat in a day.
Cheap food has high calories--Ramen noodles have 190 calories if you eat half, 380 if you eat the whole thing (most people eat the whole thing). Kraft Mac and Cheese has 230 calories. A hotdog has about 232.
You don't have to eat a lot to consume a lot of calories. You just have to be eating a regular amount, or even small amount, of cheap food. Combine that with nasty tasting water and a neighborhood that is unsafe--and then you have a somewhat more typical lifestyle for those who are overweight. Not everyone lives in a nice neighborhood with a walking trail. Have a great day.
Bean, I spent 5 years in one of the nastiest sections of Philadelphia. If you don't think Philadelphia is dangerous, look at their per capita murder rates for the past few years.
We still managed to go jogging. It's called a buddy-system.
And yes, I do think a lot can be summed up to personal responsibility. Even if you "can't go out cause it's too dangerous," then do some pushups and situps in your house. Get a trampoline.
I've had this problem for many years now, only eat 1 meal a day, it's the way your brain is wired, I believe, ever since brain surgery, I have very little interest in eating, which is fine by me, cheap way of living.
After spinal surgery in December, I found that my back acts like a scale. If I'm over 170 lbs, lots of pain. I still have 20-30% numbness in a leg and took a drug to give me back that sensation. Within 3 days my weight jumped 20 lbs. After almost a month, I am about to see the 160's again. 2 weeks before the surgery I was close to 190 lbs and got it below 170 in time for it knowing that the less I weighed, the better I would recover, which it was. I had a turkey sandwich Sunday, and almost 50 hrs of just fluids, I had a bowl of chicken soup. I may have had feelings of hunger, but the pain was much more intense and not eating was the only choice I had. It was not will power. I'm trying to get to 155 in the hope that I'll get my feeling back. In any case I feel a hellava lot better than at 184. I am 5'6". I'll wait the 2 years for my feeling to come back rather than 6 months with that medication (gabapentin). Besides, I get a handicap placard till it comes back. Love them parking spots.
WTF? Anyone understand this part of the article??:
When the researchers created mice whose brain cells couldn't send out the signals, or appetite-increasing proteins, and these mice were leaner and ate less than normal after being starved.
I think The Fed8 is referring to the atrocious grammatical error in which the subordinate clause is connected to the main claude by a coordinating conjunction.
As a young teen in the 60's I read a doctor's column in some magazine about fat people and dieting. He swore that someday soon nutritionists and diet experts would finally have to face reality and admit that some people's bodies cannot be tricked into losing weight simply by dieting. He believed the brain in some overweight people kicked into high gear and began releasing the "feed me" hormones the article talks about with the mice and many people can't overcome it. When they manage to endure it for several days their metabolism slumps to save the fat and they are miserable. He saw this in many of his patients and the reason I remember it is I knew a young woman, an aquaintance of my brother, who couldn't lose even two pounds if she starved herself for a week. I'm convinced she was a victim of the "feed me" syndrome. The doctor couldn't prove many of his theories back then but turns out he was on target. Point: Not all overweight people are big eaters, their brain won't let them diet.
Unless our genetic makeup has changed in the last 50 yrs, that doesn't explain the explosion of obesity in our society. Food has always been there, as have we, but now we're all getting fat. What's changed? Not our brains, I'm guessing.
Unless our genetic makeup has changed in the last 50 yrs, that doesn't explain the explosion of obesity in our society. Food has always been there, as have we, but now we're all getting fat. What's changed? Not our brains, I'm guessing.
Nope, not our brains or our genetics. But the food sure has.
IT is not your brain's fault. It is the product of rich visuals at the store and on television. Then when you buy the product touted as refreshing, such as Coke, you become thirsty again because it is full of sugar and gum arabic and yellow esther and resins, These things coat your tongue and make your mouth feel sticky whereas water and genuine fruit juice such as watermelon and grapefruit satisfies you immediately and provides salts and vitamins that you lose or you crave because of a poor diet.
The sugar rush and the feeling of sleepiness afterwards is what makes you crave donuts and rich foods like alfredo, pizza, and spaghetti, burritos. The hidden salt in the bread is dangerous and makes you tired also, so this breaded food is a never ending routine.
Try eating almonds in between meals and fresh roasted peanuts in the shell, no salt. And avoid hamburger places with a high percentage of hamburger bun. Fries will only make you thirsty so that means you crave a Coke. This is an unhealthy circular routine.
Try salmon for a filling meal, add macaroni and cheese and steam some spinach on top of the boiling water for the macaroni for a healthy side item
Ok, I have read so many of the "studies" on weight gain, eating habits, Fast Food calories etc...I cannot believe the rudeness and ignorance that people have against those that are not in pristine condition. It is so disheartening to hear people tell the "fatso's" (as I have seen many times) to stop eating junk food, and excersize. I do believe there is a chemical imbalance in the brain of over-weight and obese people. Do you think they really want to be like that? My husband struggles everyday with being over-weight. He has tried everything. I have encouraged him, gotten angry with him and bribed him to lose weight. When people say eat right and quit jamming your face with food is like telling a depressed person to snap out of it, a smoker to just quit, gambler to stop betting and a bulimic person to eat. These are all powerful addictions that you don't just quit. Telling someone to eat walnuts in between meals and drink water and walk 42 miles a night does not do anything for the over weight. It is a disease people!! Most obese people need counseling to lose weight and keep it off. Stop with the hurtful comments and needless advice. If you can't, then the next time you come across an obese person face to face, tell them what you think right to them. Go ahead and see how ugly a person you are when you see the look in their eyes and the shame and deep pain you have just administered. For some reason the callous people against the over-weight don't think the obese have feelings about their condition. I just don't get it!!!
Delgena, I used to be a "fatso." I lost 100 lbs, and did it the old fashioned way, diet + lots of exercise. It's not impossible, and it aggravates me when people think they are helpless and can't do anything to change it. I am proof all it takes is time and effort.
Matt -- I did the hard way too. In six years, I've lost 200 pounds. Changed my eating habits (watch the fat, sugars and starches), walk a couple of miles a day and go to the gym every other day.
Yes, it's possible. It also takes time -- there's no 'instant cure.' The question that always makes me a little crazy is 'was it difficult?' Yes. If it were easy, no one would be overweight!
Delgena -- there are just willfully cruel people out there. They don't care that they hurt other people and, I think, get some kind of sick thrill out of it. It's still socially acceptable to be prejudiced against fat people, so they take advantage of that.
I talked to a man today who had lost 60 lbs. on a liiquid diet augmented with non-starchy green veggies. He paid $200/week to a diet group. Losing the weight cost him over $4000, while the protein drinks could've be bought for about $700. When I told my doctor that I wanted to lose weight on a similar diet, he said that the caloric intake was too low and that I would have to be monitored; he referred me to a diet group similar to the one the man had attended. I do not understand why my doctor can't monitor me and let me buy the protein drinks at Costco. I don't have $4000 to lose weight! I am struggling with Type II diabetes and no one is monitoring, on a weekly basis, the dozen pills a day that are prescribed for that and other health challenges. It is left up to me. But drink protein drinks to lose weight? I have to pay $200/week for THAT?
Sorry Sherrie, that's a tough one. I suppose the Doc is worried about the diet plan and your diabetes. I think a diet group may be benficial, but without buying some magic product. Is there a way you can talk to a nutritionist? Our clinic has one and she is very good. I get worried about supplementing real food with a drink product or mix. My husband has mentioned that he wanted to start certain products and I am not comfortable with them. I always think that if it truly works and its good for you then everybody would be thin and healthy by now. I think its great the guy you talked to lost weight...I hope he stays on that path. I wish you all the luck in the world and i know you can do it too. Sounds like you are ready to get on the right path and that is one hell of a big step towards your goal. Ps...one thing that worked for my hubby was having a full body picture of himself taped on the refridgerator..sounds stupid but he lost 15 pounds so far.
As I noted in my comments in and entry below, we do not need to be ill (including overweight) if we eat nutritionally functional foods for humans. We don't need pills, or special diet plans - we need an appropriate diet for humans.
Humans aren't designed to eat large volumes of grains and processed foods. I assert from my research that these frequently cause weight and health issues. We are designed to eat primarily raw proteins, vegetables and fruits. Unfortunately, due to mass production, many important foods are processed to make them "safe", but then they lose important nutrition. Unprocessed milk (and unprocessed milk protein) is one such food. Raw protein foods like beef, eggs, fish and others are also important. Unfortunately most are not safe in mass production.
People think eating organic raw foods is expensive. Yet then they go out and pay ridiculous amounts for special diets and programs that many times perpetuate the same old nutrition. Then they get the same old results. It's not rocket science, but the transition can be difficult due to the enormous variety of processed foods that are designed to please our taste buds, but not be nutritionally viable.
If you wish to use a very beneficial protein, I would suggest using one that promotes the ability to build glutathione. This ability is destroyed by processing/cooking/pasteurizing. Glutathione has over 30 important functions, and some newer research ties it into metabolism. Two natural products useful for this are Immunocal and ASIH Essential Proteins. These provide essential proteins with the ability to safely provide the building blocks for glutathione. Do some research, you will be glad you did...
There are two aspects to this article and research.
First, for "Modern Medicine" to address the problem of over eating and obesity, they need to understand the causes and triggers associated with this condition. This research addresses that issue. For people that are actually medically sick, this could be very important.
Unfortunately, most people aren't really, truly, honestly, medically sick, they just eat too much of the wrong foods. Many have poor will power and most are poorly educated by traditional nutritional channels as to what is truly healthy for our body. Our modern society (primarily in the USA) thinks it is acceptable to eat all of the grains and processed foods we find on store shelves.
I would assert that our body is designed to be healthy if given the proper nourishment.
For example, if I eat too many grains and processed foods I have symptoms of diabetes, fibromyalgia, poor brain function, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel, bronchitis, enteric and peripheral neuropathy and a host of other debilitating and painful illnesses. Per the doctors I should be on over 10 medications. By correcting my FDA approved "good balanced recommended diet" to one that is a nutritionally appropriate diet for humans, I am off all medications and can function normally with very few symptoms.
I will repeat. Our body is designed to be healthy if we eat and drink a proper nutritionally functional diet.
Pills and surgery aren't the answer for a poor diet. We are learning, we just aren't there yet
I’m 53 & have dieted since age 13 when I lost 50 lbs. on a weight watchers diet. In the early 70’s weight watchers tended to be a moderately low carbohydrate & moderately low calorie diet. Similar to how I eat as a 53 year old. It is difficult to pinpoint why I was overweight at such a young age. I was constantly hungry. But my hunger became out of control in a dangerous way. Within weeks of reaching my goal weight of 130 lbs; 5 pounds above the recommended ideal weight for my 5’3’ height, I began a pattern of binge eating. Within one year I had gained all the weight back plus 10 lbs which put me at 190 lbs. At age16, I tried again. I went back on the weight watchers diet.
This was in the mid to late 70’s and exercise, particularly jogging, began to be recommended with dieting. I was too heavy to jog so I walked. Within the first 20 pounds of weight loss, I found myself unable to bear the hunger and constant desire to eat. I became preoccupied with food. Unfortunately, I began secretly purging. I lost the weight getting back to my goal weight of 130lbs, but now I was using induced vomiting along with my dieting and exercise to maintain my ideal weight.
I have been in a battle of recovery ever since. My current eating disorders counselor has recommended a higher protein and higher fat diet which I have followed for the last 13 years. She recommended this life style of eating because of the satiety produced from protein and fats. It has been helpful in reducing my binge purge patterns. I have gone for long periods of abstinence from purging, sometimes several years. Slow predictable weight gain is usually what lures me back into the binge purge cycle.
I’m currently in a long period of abstinence recovery, but In order to maintain a comfortable weight of 140 to150 lbs., requires me to exercise 2 hours, daily. I walk, as well as do some strength and resistance exercise. I eat no starches or grains. I eat lean meat, dairy, nuts seeds, vegetables that are high color and high water content, healthy fats and fruit. I don’t count calories but when I occasionally journal my food I find I consume an average of 2500 to 3000 calories a day.
After 40 years bondage to diet exercise and counseling, I welcome a safe solution to obesity if mankind is blessed to have science eventually find on. It is not hard to understand that an overweight teen, after the success and approval of obtaining a desirable weight would go to dangerous extremes to , once again have that success after the social shame of failure and regaining weight. Even now, I find myself, just not able to bear seeing myself move towards a body weight over 160 lbs. When my weight rebounds to the 150’s, I endure long periods of walking and weight training above my usual 2 hours, in order to bring my body weight back to the safe mid 140s’. This takes an enormous amount of productive time and energy. I have not worked full time in years. I can only handle part time work in order to have enough time and opportunity to maintain my comfortable weight.
I pray on a regular basis for God to grant man wisdom to discover a safe and manageable way to conquer obesity. Pharmaceuticals always have risks. My mom and sister, though shorter in height than me, have at times, weighed over 200 lbs. My mom passed away on 2009 but both have been on medication for high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. As crazy and overwhelming my diet and exercise prison is, I currently have none of those physical challenges. Until a real breakthrough is discovered that will help we obese people and people with a propensity for obesity to manage our weight safely and sanely, I will work my second part time job of weight management and press on as I try to function and achieve some life goals with the little time and energy I can muster in my daily grind.
I’m 53 & have dieted since age 13 when I lost 50 lbs. on a weight watchers diet. In the early 70’s weight watchers tended to be a moderately low carbohydrate & moderately low calorie diet. Similar to how I eat as a 53 year old. It is difficult to pinpoint why I was overweight at such a young age. I was constantly hungry. But my hunger became out of control in a dangerous way. Within weeks of reaching my goal weight of 130 lbs; 5 pounds above the recommended ideal weight for my 5’3’ height, I began a pattern of binge eating. Within one year I had gained all the weight back plus 10 lbs which put me at 190 lbs. At age16, I tried again. I went back on the weight watchers diet.
This was in the mid to late 70’s and exercise, particularly jogging, began to be recommended with dieting. I was too heavy to jog so I walked. Within the first 20 pounds of weight loss, I found myself unable to bear the hunger and constant desire to eat. I became preoccupied with food. Unfortunately, I began secretly purging. I lost the weight getting back to my goal weight of 130lbs, but now I was using induced vomiting along with my dieting and exercise to maintain my ideal weight.
I have been in a battle of recovery ever since. My current eating disorders counselor has recommended a higher protein and higher fat diet which I have followed for the last 13 years. She recommended this life style of eating because of the satiety produced from protein and fats. It has been helpful in reducing my binge purge patterns. I have gone for long periods of abstinence from purging, sometimes several years. Slow predictable weight gain is usually what lures me back into the binge purge cycle.
I’m currently in a long period of abstinence recovery, but In order to maintain a comfortable weight of 140 to150 lbs., requires me to exercise 2 hours, daily. I walk, as well as do some strength and resistance exercise. I eat no starches or grains. I eat lean meat, dairy, nuts seeds, vegetables that are high color and high water content, healthy fats and fruit. I don’t count calories but when I occasionally journal my food I find I consume an average of 2500 to 3000 calories a day.
After 40 years bondage to diet exercise and counseling, I welcome a safe solution to obesity if mankind is blessed to have science eventually find on. It is not hard to understand that an overweight teen, after the success and approval of obtaining a desirable weight would go to dangerous extremes to , once again have that success after the social shame of failure and regaining weight. Even now, I find myself, just not able to bear seeing myself move towards a body weight over 160 lbs. When my weight rebounds to the 150’s, I endure long periods of walking and weight training above my usual 2 hours, in order to bring my body weight back to the safe mid 140s’. This takes an enormous amount of productive time and energy. I have not worked full time in years. I can only handle part time work in order to have enough time and opportunity to maintain my comfortable weight.
Ipray on a regular basis for God to grant man wisdom to discover a safe and manageable way to conquer obesity. Pharmaceuticals always have risks. My mom and sister, though shorter in height than me, have at times, weighed over 200 lbs. My mom passed away on 2009 but both have been on medication for high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. As crazy and overwhelming my diet and exercise prison is, I currently have none of those physical challenges. Until a real breakthrough is discovered that will help we obese people and people with a propensity for obesity to manage our weight safely and sanely, I will work my second part time job of weight management and press on as I try to function and achieve some life goals with the little time and energy I can muster in my daily grind.
What a break through in science! They figured out that if you eat less you will be hungrier. If you starve yourself you will be very hungry.
As much as I love people who find it annoying and hilarious whenever science points out the obvious, I feel I should, gently, let you know that in this case, you're the one that came out as the dumb one. Please re-read the article, and read more carefully in the future, so as to avoid such embarrasingly wrong comments.
If only science could help with Courser's poor reading comprehension. Yes, you should definitely re-read the article.
I re-read the article. While my comment was brief, I believe this finding is nothing new. I disagree with the article's assumption that in humans, reducing the hunger affect will automatically lead to a healthier life.
Nothing in this article is new except for the fact that they blocked this process in mice. There are other signals for hunger. The author just seems to take a routine scientific finding and cast it as a possible cure for obesity. Just state the facts of the experiment. Don't overhype it as a possible cure for obsesity.
I find few articles published for the average person to be fully accurate and as groundbreaking as they may make it sound. However, I don't think that is the true issue here. The research is important for those suffering from TRUE medical obesity. It is simply another piece of the puzzle.
Where I differ is why money is being spent to resolve a crises (rising obesity) that has its roots in nutrition, not medical necessity. I would assert that if we were to eat a diet appropriate for humans, we would generally not have this issue, nor many other rapidly increasing illnesses. It is not necessarily a matter of eating less. See my entries below for more details on my personal research resulting in my assertion...
As a scientist in the area of research, I'm amazed out how poorly written this is. This sends entirely the wrong message and lacks so much information. I find it disappointing that anyone would let this be published as it is an insult to the scientific community and misleads the public.
welcome to MSNBC, have you ever read a science-related article here that wasn't full of misinformation and media bias?
I agree about the wrong message, and I don't know your interpretation of this issue. To me, finding a medical "cure" for obesity and other illnesses so that people can pop a pill to resolve an illness is a poor message. It just perpetuates our lack of addressing what I feel to be the real issue.
From personal research I have found that the real issue appears to be poor nutrition. I assert that if we provided our body with nutrition appropriate for the human body, that illnesses like obesity, diabetes and many others would disappear. This would save us billions on health care costs, and improve our health and longevity.
See my entries further below for more details...
What an insult to science!
As a scientist in this field I'm amazed that anyone would publish such a poorly written article. For one, there are many many other signals involved in this process, not just AgRP (which by the way, has been known about for quite some years/decades now). Also, there are different signals for hunger and satiation, not just one. And finally, how exactly does the author think that a method for knocking out genes can be used on humans? Do they even understand what that means? Doubtful.
This is an insult to the scientific field and horrifyingly irresponsible journalism to the public. You should be ashamed.
I do not agree with the author. Two weeks ago I started with the traditional diet. I use the diet plan on the website <a href="" target=_blank> . Already show the first successes. Both remain in the traditional method - eat less and you lose weight.
The problem with traditional diets is that they work short-term and fail long-term. The problem lies in the brain. There are hormones in the stomach and in the brain and it is not at all easy to eat less when these hormones are screaming at you to eat more.
You can use will-power for a while but it takes more than will-power to shut off these signals for months and years.
People don't eat because they're hungry, but because eating stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain. I don't go rooting through the pantry at 8pm because my stomach's growling. I want chocolate or chips or even, occasionally, something healthy like grapes.
Don't Diet!! Change your eating habits instead. Keep eating some of the things you love and can't live without but eat LESS!! DON'T SUPER-SIZE! Eat 5 or 6 small meals and snacks a day (not the high fat kind). You really can live without soft drinks. Even "diet" soft-drinks are worthless and inhibit weight loss. I am 60ish, 5'7" and 120 lbs. I know what I'm talking about. I drink wine and other alcoholic beverages (but not to excess). I eat desert regularly, peanut butter almost every day, love salads, fish, yogurt, protein bars, 100% juices and coffee.
We live in a societ that can't look at themselves and see that they are the cause of their problems. It's not their fault that they don't eat breakfast, gorge themselves on fries at lunch, eat a huge dinner, then go to bed. It's McDonald's fault for offering huge portions, and societies fault for making dinner to be the most important meal of the day. No one has time to eat breakfast because we can't be late for work. Blah...blah...blah. Whatever... Give us a pill that will make it all better now so I can get back to my self destructive eating habits.
I changed my eating habits a year ago. I didn't go on a diet. Diets don't work. I made a conscious decision to stop the destructive patterns and modified my behavior. I eat 6 times a day, not to excess unless it's a special occasion, and I made it a point to not give up anything I'd normally eat. I still eat my candy, but only on 2 days a week. I excercise (which is still a 4 letter word to many Americans) to keep healthy. As a reward, I dropped 70 lbs of fat and gained 15 lbs of muscle.
Take responsibility for yourselves, and stop waiting for science to find your miracle in a pill.
So now people have another excuse for giving up when trying to change their lifestyle toward a healthier life.
"Doctors said my brain makes me do it, I can't help myself!" *stuffs cookies into mouth*
Yes, your brain tells you you're hungry. Drink some water. Go for a brisk walk. Eat reasonably. There is no excuse for not being "fit." You don't have to be any particular weight or shape, just be healthy.
Yeah, stupid BRAIN! Telling me I'm hungry! It also tells me to sleep in 'till 10, not go to work, watch TV all day, take whatever I want at the store without paying, and to kiss every attractive person I see, but I ignore it. I call it my reptile brain. My frontal lobes tell me to work out, eat healthfully, and resist temptation.
And what if you are Ill? What then?
Matt--you might want to try engaging your brain a little bit more and your "mouth" (that is, your fingers) a little bit less. Many people who are overweight do not dine on cookies--they can't afford it. They cannot take a "brisk walk" because they don't live in neighborhoods where that is safe (I triple dog dare you to come and take a walk in my suburban neighborhood--the last time I tried it, someone intentionally aimed her car at me and tried to give me a good scare--it is assumed that anyone walking doesn't live here).
What do you mean by "reasonably"? Do you seriously think that most of the people that you see eat "unreasonably"? It is not excess of food that makes people overweight--it is excess of calories and the wrong sort of calories. You can eat a very small serving of something inexpensive--say, a $1 doublecheeseburger at McDonald's--and you just knocked back 440 calories. Eat two double cheeseburgers (one for lunch, one for dinner) and a 80-cent sausage and biscuit for breakfast (480 calories), and you just took in 1400 calories--more than a woman who wants to lose weight should eat in a day.
Cheap food has high calories--Ramen noodles have 190 calories if you eat half, 380 if you eat the whole thing (most people eat the whole thing). Kraft Mac and Cheese has 230 calories. A hotdog has about 232.
You don't have to eat a lot to consume a lot of calories. You just have to be eating a regular amount, or even small amount, of cheap food. Combine that with nasty tasting water and a neighborhood that is unsafe--and then you have a somewhat more typical lifestyle for those who are overweight. Not everyone lives in a nice neighborhood with a walking trail. Have a great day.
Bean, I spent 5 years in one of the nastiest sections of Philadelphia. If you don't think Philadelphia is dangerous, look at their per capita murder rates for the past few years.
We still managed to go jogging. It's called a buddy-system.
And yes, I do think a lot can be summed up to personal responsibility. Even if you "can't go out cause it's too dangerous," then do some pushups and situps in your house. Get a trampoline.
I've had this problem for many years now, only eat 1 meal a day, it's the way your brain is wired, I believe, ever since brain surgery, I have very little interest in eating, which is fine by me, cheap way of living.
After spinal surgery in December, I found that my back acts like a scale. If I'm over 170 lbs, lots of pain. I still have 20-30% numbness in a leg and took a drug to give me back that sensation. Within 3 days my weight jumped 20 lbs. After almost a month, I am about to see the 160's again. 2 weeks before the surgery I was close to 190 lbs and got it below 170 in time for it knowing that the less I weighed, the better I would recover, which it was. I had a turkey sandwich Sunday, and almost 50 hrs of just fluids, I had a bowl of chicken soup. I may have had feelings of hunger, but the pain was much more intense and not eating was the only choice I had. It was not will power. I'm trying to get to 155 in the hope that I'll get my feeling back. In any case I feel a hellava lot better than at 184. I am 5'6". I'll wait the 2 years for my feeling to come back rather than 6 months with that medication (gabapentin). Besides, I get a handicap placard till it comes back. Love them parking spots.
WTF? Anyone understand this part of the article??:
When the researchers created mice whose brain cells couldn't send out the signals, or appetite-increasing proteins, and these mice were leaner and ate less than normal after being starved.
Cut the nerves to that part of the brain or destroy that portion of the rat's brain thereby preventing signals from reaching it.
I think The Fed8 is referring to the atrocious grammatical error in which the subordinate clause is connected to the main claude by a coordinating conjunction.
As a young teen in the 60's I read a doctor's column in some magazine about fat people and dieting. He swore that someday soon nutritionists and diet experts would finally have to face reality and admit that some people's bodies cannot be tricked into losing weight simply by dieting. He believed the brain in some overweight people kicked into high gear and began releasing the "feed me" hormones the article talks about with the mice and many people can't overcome it. When they manage to endure it for several days their metabolism slumps to save the fat and they are miserable. He saw this in many of his patients and the reason I remember it is I knew a young woman, an aquaintance of my brother, who couldn't lose even two pounds if she starved herself for a week. I'm convinced she was a victim of the "feed me" syndrome. The doctor couldn't prove many of his theories back then but turns out he was on target. Point: Not all overweight people are big eaters, their brain won't let them diet.
Unless our genetic makeup has changed in the last 50 yrs, that doesn't explain the explosion of obesity in our society. Food has always been there, as have we, but now we're all getting fat. What's changed? Not our brains, I'm guessing.
They're making the furniture too big, the couches send subliminal signals to the brain that say, 'eat more, so you will fill me up.'
So what does the narrow seats on an airplane signal?
The airplane seats say, 'be happy airlines don't feed you anymore, you're too fat'
Nope, not our brains or our genetics. But the food sure has.
Just eat ice cream all day long....
IT is not your brain's fault. It is the product of rich visuals at the store and on television. Then when you buy the product touted as refreshing, such as Coke, you become thirsty again because it is full of sugar and gum arabic and yellow esther and resins, These things coat your tongue and make your mouth feel sticky whereas water and genuine fruit juice such as watermelon and grapefruit satisfies you immediately and provides salts and vitamins that you lose or you crave because of a poor diet.
The sugar rush and the feeling of sleepiness afterwards is what makes you crave donuts and rich foods like alfredo, pizza, and spaghetti, burritos. The hidden salt in the bread is dangerous and makes you tired also, so this breaded food is a never ending routine.
Try eating almonds in between meals and fresh roasted peanuts in the shell, no salt. And avoid hamburger places with a high percentage of hamburger bun. Fries will only make you thirsty so that means you crave a Coke. This is an unhealthy circular routine.
Try salmon for a filling meal, add macaroni and cheese and steam some spinach on top of the boiling water for the macaroni for a healthy side item
It looks like we have a new crop of developing congressmen!
Ok, I have read so many of the "studies" on weight gain, eating habits, Fast Food calories etc...I cannot believe the rudeness and ignorance that people have against those that are not in pristine condition. It is so disheartening to hear people tell the "fatso's" (as I have seen many times) to stop eating junk food, and excersize. I do believe there is a chemical imbalance in the brain of over-weight and obese people. Do you think they really want to be like that? My husband struggles everyday with being over-weight. He has tried everything. I have encouraged him, gotten angry with him and bribed him to lose weight. When people say eat right and quit jamming your face with food is like telling a depressed person to snap out of it, a smoker to just quit, gambler to stop betting and a bulimic person to eat. These are all powerful addictions that you don't just quit. Telling someone to eat walnuts in between meals and drink water and walk 42 miles a night does not do anything for the over weight. It is a disease people!! Most obese people need counseling to lose weight and keep it off. Stop with the hurtful comments and needless advice. If you can't, then the next time you come across an obese person face to face, tell them what you think right to them. Go ahead and see how ugly a person you are when you see the look in their eyes and the shame and deep pain you have just administered. For some reason the callous people against the over-weight don't think the obese have feelings about their condition. I just don't get it!!!
Delgena, I used to be a "fatso." I lost 100 lbs, and did it the old fashioned way, diet + lots of exercise. It's not impossible, and it aggravates me when people think they are helpless and can't do anything to change it. I am proof all it takes is time and effort.
Matt -- I did the hard way too. In six years, I've lost 200 pounds. Changed my eating habits (watch the fat, sugars and starches), walk a couple of miles a day and go to the gym every other day.
Yes, it's possible. It also takes time -- there's no 'instant cure.' The question that always makes me a little crazy is 'was it difficult?' Yes. If it were easy, no one would be overweight!
Delgena -- there are just willfully cruel people out there. They don't care that they hurt other people and, I think, get some kind of sick thrill out of it. It's still socially acceptable to be prejudiced against fat people, so they take advantage of that.
I talked to a man today who had lost 60 lbs. on a liiquid diet augmented with non-starchy green veggies. He paid $200/week to a diet group. Losing the weight cost him over $4000, while the protein drinks could've be bought for about $700. When I told my doctor that I wanted to lose weight on a similar diet, he said that the caloric intake was too low and that I would have to be monitored; he referred me to a diet group similar to the one the man had attended. I do not understand why my doctor can't monitor me and let me buy the protein drinks at Costco. I don't have $4000 to lose weight! I am struggling with Type II diabetes and no one is monitoring, on a weekly basis, the dozen pills a day that are prescribed for that and other health challenges. It is left up to me. But drink protein drinks to lose weight? I have to pay $200/week for THAT?
Sorry Sherrie, that's a tough one. I suppose the Doc is worried about the diet plan and your diabetes. I think a diet group may be benficial, but without buying some magic product. Is there a way you can talk to a nutritionist? Our clinic has one and she is very good. I get worried about supplementing real food with a drink product or mix. My husband has mentioned that he wanted to start certain products and I am not comfortable with them. I always think that if it truly works and its good for you then everybody would be thin and healthy by now. I think its great the guy you talked to lost weight...I hope he stays on that path. I wish you all the luck in the world and i know you can do it too. Sounds like you are ready to get on the right path and that is one hell of a big step towards your goal. Ps...one thing that worked for my hubby was having a full body picture of himself taped on the refridgerator..sounds stupid but he lost 15 pounds so far.
Hi Sherrie,
As I noted in my comments in and entry below, we do not need to be ill (including overweight) if we eat nutritionally functional foods for humans. We don't need pills, or special diet plans - we need an appropriate diet for humans.
Humans aren't designed to eat large volumes of grains and processed foods. I assert from my research that these frequently cause weight and health issues. We are designed to eat primarily raw proteins, vegetables and fruits. Unfortunately, due to mass production, many important foods are processed to make them "safe", but then they lose important nutrition. Unprocessed milk (and unprocessed milk protein) is one such food. Raw protein foods like beef, eggs, fish and others are also important. Unfortunately most are not safe in mass production.
People think eating organic raw foods is expensive. Yet then they go out and pay ridiculous amounts for special diets and programs that many times perpetuate the same old nutrition. Then they get the same old results. It's not rocket science, but the transition can be difficult due to the enormous variety of processed foods that are designed to please our taste buds, but not be nutritionally viable.
If you wish to use a very beneficial protein, I would suggest using one that promotes the ability to build glutathione. This ability is destroyed by processing/cooking/pasteurizing. Glutathione has over 30 important functions, and some newer research ties it into metabolism. Two natural products useful for this are Immunocal and ASIH Essential Proteins. These provide essential proteins with the ability to safely provide the building blocks for glutathione. Do some research, you will be glad you did...
There are two aspects to this article and research.
First, for "Modern Medicine" to address the problem of over eating and obesity, they need to understand the causes and triggers associated with this condition. This research addresses that issue. For people that are actually medically sick, this could be very important.
Unfortunately, most people aren't really, truly, honestly, medically sick, they just eat too much of the wrong foods. Many have poor will power and most are poorly educated by traditional nutritional channels as to what is truly healthy for our body. Our modern society (primarily in the USA) thinks it is acceptable to eat all of the grains and processed foods we find on store shelves.
I would assert that our body is designed to be healthy if given the proper nourishment.
For example, if I eat too many grains and processed foods I have symptoms of diabetes, fibromyalgia, poor brain function, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel, bronchitis, enteric and peripheral neuropathy and a host of other debilitating and painful illnesses. Per the doctors I should be on over 10 medications. By correcting my FDA approved "good balanced recommended diet" to one that is a nutritionally appropriate diet for humans, I am off all medications and can function normally with very few symptoms.
I will repeat. Our body is designed to be healthy if we eat and drink a proper nutritionally functional diet.
Pills and surgery aren't the answer for a poor diet. We are learning, we just aren't there yet
I’m 53 & have dieted since age 13 when I lost 50 lbs. on a weight watchers diet. In the early 70’s weight watchers tended to be a moderately low carbohydrate & moderately low calorie diet. Similar to how I eat as a 53 year old. It is difficult to pinpoint why I was overweight at such a young age. I was constantly hungry. But my hunger became out of control in a dangerous way. Within weeks of reaching my goal weight of 130 lbs; 5 pounds above the recommended ideal weight for my 5’3’ height, I began a pattern of binge eating. Within one year I had gained all the weight back plus 10 lbs which put me at 190 lbs. At age16, I tried again. I went back on the weight watchers diet.
This was in the mid to late 70’s and exercise, particularly jogging, began to be recommended with dieting. I was too heavy to jog so I walked. Within the first 20 pounds of weight loss, I found myself unable to bear the hunger and constant desire to eat. I became preoccupied with food. Unfortunately, I began secretly purging. I lost the weight getting back to my goal weight of 130lbs, but now I was using induced vomiting along with my dieting and exercise to maintain my ideal weight.
I have been in a battle of recovery ever since. My current eating disorders counselor has recommended a higher protein and higher fat diet which I have followed for the last 13 years. She recommended this life style of eating because of the satiety produced from protein and fats. It has been helpful in reducing my binge purge patterns. I have gone for long periods of abstinence from purging, sometimes several years. Slow predictable weight gain is usually what lures me back into the binge purge cycle.
I’m currently in a long period of abstinence recovery, but In order to maintain a comfortable weight of 140 to150 lbs., requires me to exercise 2 hours, daily. I walk, as well as do some strength and resistance exercise. I eat no starches or grains. I eat lean meat, dairy, nuts seeds, vegetables that are high color and high water content, healthy fats and fruit. I don’t count calories but when I occasionally journal my food I find I consume an average of 2500 to 3000 calories a day.
After 40 years bondage to diet exercise and counseling, I welcome a safe solution to obesity if mankind is blessed to have science eventually find on. It is not hard to understand that an overweight teen, after the success and approval of obtaining a desirable weight would go to dangerous extremes to , once again have that success after the social shame of failure and regaining weight. Even now, I find myself, just not able to bear seeing myself move towards a body weight over 160 lbs. When my weight rebounds to the 150’s, I endure long periods of walking and weight training above my usual 2 hours, in order to bring my body weight back to the safe mid 140s’. This takes an enormous amount of productive time and energy. I have not worked full time in years. I can only handle part time work in order to have enough time and opportunity to maintain my comfortable weight.
I pray on a regular basis for God to grant man wisdom to discover a safe and manageable way to conquer obesity. Pharmaceuticals always have risks. My mom and sister, though shorter in height than me, have at times, weighed over 200 lbs. My mom passed away on 2009 but both have been on medication for high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. As crazy and overwhelming my diet and exercise prison is, I currently have none of those physical challenges. Until a real breakthrough is discovered that will help we obese people and people with a propensity for obesity to manage our weight safely and sanely, I will work my second part time job of weight management and press on as I try to function and achieve some life goals with the little time and energy I can muster in my daily grind.
I’m 53 & have dieted since age 13 when I lost 50 lbs. on
a weight watchers diet. In the early 70’s weight watchers tended to be a moderately low carbohydrate & moderately low calorie diet. Similar to how I eat as a 53 year old. It is difficult to pinpoint why I was overweight at such a young age. I was constantly hungry. But my hunger became out of control in a dangerous way. Within weeks of reaching my goal weight of 130 lbs; 5 pounds above the recommended ideal weight for my 5’3’ height, I began a pattern of binge eating. Within one year I had gained all the weight back plus 10 lbs which put me at 190 lbs. At age16, I tried again. I went back on the weight watchers diet.
This was in the mid to late 70’s and exercise, particularly jogging, began to be recommended with dieting. I was too heavy to jog so I walked. Within the first 20 pounds of weight loss, I found myself unable to bear the hunger and constant desire to eat. I became preoccupied with food. Unfortunately, I began secretly purging. I lost the weight getting back to my goal weight of 130lbs, but now I was using induced vomiting along with my dieting and exercise to maintain my ideal weight.
I have been in a battle of recovery ever since. My current eating disorders counselor has recommended a higher protein and higher fat diet which I have followed for the last 13 years. She recommended this life style of eating because of the satiety produced from protein and fats. It has been helpful in reducing my binge purge patterns. I have gone for long periods of abstinence from purging, sometimes several years. Slow predictable weight gain is usually what lures me back into the binge purge cycle.
I’m currently in a long period of abstinence recovery, but In order to maintain a comfortable weight of 140 to150 lbs., requires me to exercise 2 hours, daily. I walk, as well as do some strength and resistance exercise. I eat no starches or grains. I eat lean meat, dairy, nuts seeds, vegetables that are high color and high water content, healthy fats and fruit. I don’t count calories but when I occasionally journal my food I find I consume an average of 2500 to 3000 calories a day.
After 40 years bondage to diet exercise and counseling, I welcome a safe solution to obesity if mankind is blessed to have science eventually find on. It is not hard to understand that an overweight teen, after the success and approval of obtaining a desirable weight would go to dangerous extremes to , once again have that success after the social shame of failure and regaining weight. Even now, I find myself, just not able to bear seeing myself move towards a body weight over 160 lbs. When my weight rebounds to the 150’s, I endure long periods of walking and weight training above my usual 2 hours, in order to bring my body weight back to the safe mid 140s’. This takes an enormous amount of productive time and energy. I have not worked full time in years. I can only handle part time work in order to have enough time and opportunity to maintain my comfortable weight.
Ipray on a regular basis for God to grant man wisdom to discover a safe and manageable way to conquer obesity. Pharmaceuticals always have risks. My mom and sister, though shorter in height than me, have at times, weighed over 200 lbs. My mom passed away on 2009 but both have been on medication for high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. As crazy and overwhelming my diet and exercise prison is, I currently have none of those physical challenges. Until a real breakthrough is discovered that will help we obese people and people with a propensity for obesity to manage our weight safely and sanely, I will work my second part time job of weight management and press on as I try to function and achieve some life goals with the little time and energy I can muster in my daily grind.