I guess we are giving Iraq all of our problems. It is the same here in the US. There is a monetary incentive for hospitals to do C-Sections. There are liability concerns, doctor's scheduling conflicts, misleading info, and so on. Maybe Iraq's problems will help us see our own.
Please don't holler about the necessary ones, this article is focused on the unnecessarily high rate. C-Sections save lives, but they certainly should be just a small percentage of births.
I don't know how malpractice or medicine in general works in Iraq, so I can't make any calls there, but the primary reason that we have so many C-sections in the U.S. is a direct result of physicians being sued if the slightest thing goes wrong. OB/GYNs are the most sued of all the medical specialties. Watch some daytime television - every other commercial is for a lawyer begging you to turn your child into a cash cow (I'm not counting those who are injured as a result of gross negligence). No wonder they don't want to take any chances!
I also think that the rise in C-sections is because we (the U.S.) have more high-risk women than we used to. We have more obesity, diabetes, chronic illness, and multiple births, and all of those are high-risk.
I think that the "too posh to push" mother is a rare exception. Doctors are mostly just trying to cover their butts.
Liability is killing the medical profession. It still comes down to money. Hospitals make more money with C-Sections and they are better shielded from liability. The incentives are backwards. We should be encouraging natural births and only stepping in when a problems ensues. Instead, hospitals are using factors to determine the danger and doing "preemptive" C-Sections. It may just be too much information.
I think we got involved in Iraq because of preemptive measures. Those measures never seem to work.
Were any questions asked about the genital mutilation done in Muslim countries and if this had anything to do with a greater number of C sections? Cutting off the labia and clitoris and sewing the vagina shut except for a pea sized hole for urination and menstruation leaves quite a bit of scar tissue. The vagina must be cut open after the wedding ceremony in order to consummate the marriage. All of this leads to less stretching and more tearing or cutting during the birthing process.
How can you know that this has anything to do with medical malpractice or insurance companies in Iraq? Maybe they prefer C-sections to C-4, the explosive that is evidently one of the methods the terrorists use to target hospitals and blow them up. One of the other articles recently posted discussed the targeting of hospitals in the middle east. Labor can last a lot longer than a C-section. Maybe the doctors and the mothers want to get away from that target ASAP. In the Middle East I suspect liablility is not killing as many medical professionals, or anyone else for that matter, as is terrorism. I down Western ethics and mores have little to do with anything done in Iraq.
Um, the reason is NOT liability, that's just what people say when they need something or someone to blame. C-section is more expensive and more dangerous than normal vaginal birth in most cases - so what was that you were saying about liability? Even the article should have tipped you off to this: "unnecessary surgeries with potentially serious consequences ... more women needing blood transfusions and suffering from infections, and babies with serious breathing problems..."
Nonetheless, I love it when doctors think they should be immune from liability. They're among the most educated people in our country and have insurance. If they screw up and it messes up a life/lives they SHOULD be held accountable.
If you paid any attention, you'd know that med mal cases are hard to establish, and even harder for the claimant to win. And then the judgment amount - ha - ever read up on what average judgments are for things that change your life forever at the hands of a sloppy MD? Not the ones that make headlines that laypeople rage about, but a national average. Go do a little research, I think you'll be surprised at what actually gets awarded. A lot of times, it's less than what it cost you to find the experts you need - who, by the way, are DOCTORS too.
Also, the claimant would have to have a great case to even make it through discovery without being dinged. Trial prep costs the claimant money too - much more money than what most people have, which suggests that the vast majority of valid claims aren't even brought to begin with because the person who was wronged can't afford to bring a case in the first place. It also suggests that the vast majority of cases being brought are the real thing - combine that with the checks and balances to survive things like summary judgment. Costs money to fight that off from doctors who think they can do no wrong too, and who have cash coming out of their ears. But oh, those poor doctors having to do their jobs right. All they have to do is perform to the medically accepted standard of care, which after 10-15 years of higher education, you'd think wouldn't be so tough to remember when you do the same sort of thing day in and day out - like deliver babies. There are so many outs for them as it stands, it's unbelievable.
But anyway, go ahead cue the wah-wahing about a doctor's right to make money hand over fist, because that's why everyone should be a doctor deep down in their heart-of-hearts, right? Getting rich and getting away with whatever goes wrong due to their mistakes, at the patient's expense.
Hey Stupid Iraqie Doctor!Just because the woman's mommy comes cryiong to you because they can't stand to see their daughters in pain, it doesn't mean you have to do the C section just to please them.
There's also painkillers for birth ya DUMMY!You're after the BUCKS, you're not interested in the patient.Any doctor that does this doesn't belong in the medical profession.THEY BELONG IN JAIL!I don't give a flying rat's ass if it's Iraq or not.
Women in Iraq having a vaginal birth do not get pain meds, even in hospitals. I have a friend from Iraq and she had all 3 of her children in a hospital and no pain meds were available.
When the medical profession sells its soul to the insurance companies, for money, and everyone is surprised! Thousands of doctors commit perjury everyday, in courts of law around this country! For money!!!! Juries are told to give more credit to the "professional" during deliberations and perjury is worth big bucks. The medical profession makes money at the expense of the population, the same as all businesses do. Look at pain for example...... easily solved but someone might get addicted to the combinations that the drug companies put together. Instead people are allowed to live in pain 24/7, 365 but we are not addicted. I have been in pain for 41 years, the medical profession is a scam, and corporations are making billions at the expense of the population. Why should anyone be surprised with this situation......ethics be damned!
wish i had c section. my daughter is disabled with cerebral palsy from vbac. could not get her out on time. we and she has suffered all these 20 years....not worth a vaginal birth gone bad!!!
This article is seriously flawed. People are saying that C-section is the only way to get any pain meds in childbirth AT ALL, but the article does not address this or investigate it.
Of course they would have a skyrocketing rate of caesarians if that is the only way to have pain relief in birth! Natural birth is just about as dangerous as caesarians, and a birth that doesn't go perfectly is an agony that no Iraqi man would willingly suffer through, but Allah says the women should suffer...
Male Muslim doctors have a problem looking at pussies. Tummies are OK. Watch one of them listen to a female patient's heart. They slide the stethoscope under the shirt but look away as they slide it around on her chest. Some of the new doctors, fresh out of school and who come here from Pakistan, are so unsettled by seeing a strange woman's tit they sometimes forget to place the other end of the instrument in their ears. Then there was one who was on call at the ER who had to sacrifice his goat in the ER parking lot (in one of their endless, religious festivals) and butchered it in the doctors' lounge because he was on call that evening and could not leave. When the house keeping staff didn't come immediately to clean up the mess he got angry. On the other hand, the best surgeon I worked with was from Pakistan, as was our best cardiologist, and I got to admire those two.
I could write a memoir about the five years I spent as an EMT in a rural Florida hospital, but so far I've been busy with my novels and short stories. Soon, insh'allah. I promise.
Very interesting. I've only ever really thought about what religion does over here when it comes to medical treatment - like "conscience" laws about dispensing birth control and other ridiculousness - but I can see how it could potentially go to another level at the hands of any religion. Makes me sad to see people so brainwashed. My wife's gynecologist was Mormon and he and the other Mormon doctors used to go sing hymns over the noon hour - it was creepy. I guess it can get far, far worse.
Just why is it that c-sections are more expensive? An elective c-section is half an hour of the OB's time, during business hours. A vaginal birth can be (and often is) at an inconvenient time, is unpredictably timed even if it's induced, and requires some level of monitoring from the OB for all those hours even if he/she is not physically in the room. I think a true free market in health care would correct this weirdness in pricing, and I think only when we take responsibility for our own education and health care decusions will the lack of common sense in obstetrics really start to improve.
OR, anesthesiologist, meds, more nursing staff, closer monitoring after surgery, longer hospital stay all add up. There is also more risk inherent in a surgical birth, so the OB must be compensated for assuming more liability.
I guess we are giving Iraq all of our problems. It is the same here in the US. There is a monetary incentive for hospitals to do C-Sections. There are liability concerns, doctor's scheduling conflicts, misleading info, and so on. Maybe Iraq's problems will help us see our own.
Please don't holler about the necessary ones, this article is focused on the unnecessarily high rate. C-Sections save lives, but they certainly should be just a small percentage of births.
I don't know how malpractice or medicine in general works in Iraq, so I can't make any calls there, but the primary reason that we have so many C-sections in the U.S. is a direct result of physicians being sued if the slightest thing goes wrong. OB/GYNs are the most sued of all the medical specialties. Watch some daytime television - every other commercial is for a lawyer begging you to turn your child into a cash cow (I'm not counting those who are injured as a result of gross negligence). No wonder they don't want to take any chances!
I also think that the rise in C-sections is because we (the U.S.) have more high-risk women than we used to. We have more obesity, diabetes, chronic illness, and multiple births, and all of those are high-risk.
I think that the "too posh to push" mother is a rare exception. Doctors are mostly just trying to cover their butts.
Liability is killing the medical profession. It still comes down to money. Hospitals make more money with C-Sections and they are better shielded from liability. The incentives are backwards. We should be encouraging natural births and only stepping in when a problems ensues. Instead, hospitals are using factors to determine the danger and doing "preemptive" C-Sections. It may just be too much information.
I think we got involved in Iraq because of preemptive measures. Those measures never seem to work.
Were any questions asked about the genital mutilation done in Muslim countries and if this had anything to do with a greater number of C sections? Cutting off the labia and clitoris and sewing the vagina shut except for a pea sized hole for urination and menstruation leaves quite a bit of scar tissue. The vagina must be cut open after the wedding ceremony in order to consummate the marriage. All of this leads to less stretching and more tearing or cutting during the birthing process.
How can you know that this has anything to do with medical malpractice or insurance companies in Iraq? Maybe they prefer C-sections to C-4, the explosive that is evidently one of the methods the terrorists use to target hospitals and blow them up. One of the other articles recently posted discussed the targeting of hospitals in the middle east. Labor can last a lot longer than a C-section. Maybe the doctors and the mothers want to get away from that target ASAP. In the Middle East I suspect liablility is not killing as many medical professionals, or anyone else for that matter, as is terrorism. I down Western ethics and mores have little to do with anything done in Iraq.
last sentence shoul have been, "I doubt Western ethics and mores...."
Um, the reason is NOT liability, that's just what people say when they need something or someone to blame. C-section is more expensive and more dangerous than normal vaginal birth in most cases - so what was that you were saying about liability? Even the article should have tipped you off to this: "unnecessary surgeries with potentially serious consequences ... more women needing blood transfusions and suffering from infections, and babies with serious breathing problems..."
Nonetheless, I love it when doctors think they should be immune from liability. They're among the most educated people in our country and have insurance. If they screw up and it messes up a life/lives they SHOULD be held accountable.
If you paid any attention, you'd know that med mal cases are hard to establish, and even harder for the claimant to win. And then the judgment amount - ha - ever read up on what average judgments are for things that change your life forever at the hands of a sloppy MD? Not the ones that make headlines that laypeople rage about, but a national average. Go do a little research, I think you'll be surprised at what actually gets awarded. A lot of times, it's less than what it cost you to find the experts you need - who, by the way, are DOCTORS too.
Also, the claimant would have to have a great case to even make it through discovery without being dinged. Trial prep costs the claimant money too - much more money than what most people have, which suggests that the vast majority of valid claims aren't even brought to begin with because the person who was wronged can't afford to bring a case in the first place. It also suggests that the vast majority of cases being brought are the real thing - combine that with the checks and balances to survive things like summary judgment. Costs money to fight that off from doctors who think they can do no wrong too, and who have cash coming out of their ears. But oh, those poor doctors having to do their jobs right. All they have to do is perform to the medically accepted standard of care, which after 10-15 years of higher education, you'd think wouldn't be so tough to remember when you do the same sort of thing day in and day out - like deliver babies. There are so many outs for them as it stands, it's unbelievable.
But anyway, go ahead cue the wah-wahing about a doctor's right to make money hand over fist, because that's why everyone should be a doctor deep down in their heart-of-hearts, right? Getting rich and getting away with whatever goes wrong due to their mistakes, at the patient's expense.
Hey Stupid Iraqie Doctor!Just because the woman's mommy comes cryiong to you because they can't stand to see their daughters in pain, it doesn't mean you have to do the C section just to please them.
There's also painkillers for birth ya DUMMY!You're after the BUCKS, you're not interested in the patient.Any doctor that does this doesn't belong in the medical profession.THEY BELONG IN JAIL!I don't give a flying rat's ass if it's Iraq or not.
Women in Iraq having a vaginal birth do not get pain meds, even in hospitals. I have a friend from Iraq and she had all 3 of her children in a hospital and no pain meds were available.
There are no more problems in Iraq than talking about birth techniques?
Wow alexis, believe it or not, people in Iraq have lives! Or did you think they were all just running around doing nothing but burning american flags?
When the medical profession sells its soul to the insurance companies, for money, and everyone is surprised! Thousands of doctors commit perjury everyday, in courts of law around this country! For money!!!! Juries are told to give more credit to the "professional" during deliberations and perjury is worth big bucks. The medical profession makes money at the expense of the population, the same as all businesses do. Look at pain for example...... easily solved but someone might get addicted to the combinations that the drug companies put together. Instead people are allowed to live in pain 24/7, 365 but we are not addicted. I have been in pain for 41 years, the medical profession is a scam, and corporations are making billions at the expense of the population. Why should anyone be surprised with this situation......ethics be damned!
They may not have been converted to democracy - but they are taking to greed like ducks to water.
wish i had c section. my daughter is disabled with cerebral palsy from vbac. could not get her out on time. we and she has suffered all these 20 years....not worth a vaginal birth gone bad!!!
This article is seriously flawed. People are saying that C-section is the only way to get any pain meds in childbirth AT ALL, but the article does not address this or investigate it.
Of course they would have a skyrocketing rate of caesarians if that is the only way to have pain relief in birth! Natural birth is just about as dangerous as caesarians, and a birth that doesn't go perfectly is an agony that no Iraqi man would willingly suffer through, but Allah says the women should suffer...
Male Muslim doctors have a problem looking at pussies. Tummies are OK. Watch one of them listen to a female patient's heart. They slide the stethoscope under the shirt but look away as they slide it around on her chest. Some of the new doctors, fresh out of school and who come here from Pakistan, are so unsettled by seeing a strange woman's tit they sometimes forget to place the other end of the instrument in their ears. Then there was one who was on call at the ER who had to sacrifice his goat in the ER parking lot (in one of their endless, religious festivals) and butchered it in the doctors' lounge because he was on call that evening and could not leave. When the house keeping staff didn't come immediately to clean up the mess he got angry. On the other hand, the best surgeon I worked with was from Pakistan, as was our best cardiologist, and I got to admire those two.
I could write a memoir about the five years I spent as an EMT in a rural Florida hospital, but so far I've been busy with my novels and short stories. Soon, insh'allah. I promise.
Very interesting. I've only ever really thought about what religion does over here when it comes to medical treatment - like "conscience" laws about dispensing birth control and other ridiculousness - but I can see how it could potentially go to another level at the hands of any religion. Makes me sad to see people so brainwashed. My wife's gynecologist was Mormon and he and the other Mormon doctors used to go sing hymns over the noon hour - it was creepy. I guess it can get far, far worse.
Just why is it that c-sections are more expensive? An elective c-section is half an hour of the OB's time, during business hours. A vaginal birth can be (and often is) at an inconvenient time, is unpredictably timed even if it's induced, and requires some level of monitoring from the OB for all those hours even if he/she is not physically in the room. I think a true free market in health care would correct this weirdness in pricing, and I think only when we take responsibility for our own education and health care decusions will the lack of common sense in obstetrics really start to improve.
OR, anesthesiologist, meds, more nursing staff, closer monitoring after surgery, longer hospital stay all add up. There is also more risk inherent in a surgical birth, so the OB must be compensated for assuming more liability.