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from:msnbc.comOut of 100 applications from white researchers, 30 are funded, but out of 100 from black researchers, only 20 are, finds new NIH study
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Instead of questioning who has the best research grant request we make it racist... therefore shortchanging good research so the government can make another quota... and thats why Im leaving this country cause we WILL fail with this continued "reverse racism" inherent in our government
I was thinking the same thing, nothing was said about the reason given for the grants - I've written grant letters before, not everyone gets them. Sad that numbers automatically equate to racism. So much for that content of character thing...
Good grief! This must mean that black scientists haven't yet discovered the Global Warming scam. I have it on good authority that the government can't give out enough grant money to scientists who are promoting the outrageous and false notion of global warming. (I don't believe it myself. It snowed here last winter.)
BTW David lotsanumbers, don't let the door hit you in the fanny on your way out of the country.
I'm curious...what percentage of research grant requests from "black" researchers are for "black" centrist research...
After watching Maxine Waters interviews...I have to ask...would a white congressman be able to stay in office...if he / she asked a white president to focus on more jobs for whites
Maxine Waters is a racist and worthless I mean look Freddie and Fannie are on solid ground and I object to your notion that we need more regulation or the fact that my husband got money from TARP becuase I indriectly requested it because he lost 50% of earnings in his stock. But thats nothing new.
You apparently didnt realize that dropping the race card at every instance is acceptable these days.
Regardless of being qualified, trained, experienced or the developer someone out there knows they could have done it better had they had the opportunity to stay in school, qualify for a loan, get a grant, go to college had the same tools etc.
But then again the would mean taking personal responsibility for ones own well being and actually contributing to society.
Its just so much easier to drop the race card and get paid without having to do that.
30% to 20%, it's not the difference between those numbers that bothers me the most...It is the difference between those numbers and Zero...Let's try 3% to 2%...that should solve it now there is only 1% difference and we save billions to trillions not rying to figure out which game controller causes the most fatigue
Why does everything have to be equal? I am 30 years old and I have not experienced one thing in my life that has been completely equal to all people. 10 percent.....really? I have a theory. Rich people love them some racism. They use the media they own to shove it down our throats. But why? The simple answer is.........because the real divide in this country is not black and white, but rather rich and poor. The wealthy people know that if they keep spitting out this BS about racial and sexual inequality the PEOPLE of this nation will be blind to the real divide. Why do you think that at least once a year a major movie is released that tries to remind us of our terrible white people past and how we STILL owe for the atrocities that WE commited hundreads of years ago. Guess who runs Hollywood, not broke people. So all of you sheep keep buying in to the idea that the KKK is just around the corner and I'll keep drinking myself into a drunken stupor every night because I work for a living with the ultilmate result being that some rich bastard will get richer and be able to buy another house in Florida.
@ By Julie Steenhuysen , Reuters, MSNBC
In the update to this story, you know what would have been cool...linking this story to 100 funding request (all rejects) with researchers named removed...and let your readers vote for request they believe should be funded??
"The NIH plans to start a program in which promising young researchers from underserved groups are invited to serve on more grant review panels.
We aim to have 50 assigned to each of NIH's three rounds of grant review panels in the 2012 grant year, which begins October 1," Collins said."
So they are going to give out the review panel positions based on race rather than going to the most deserving people
... And that is going to correct "the problem" because obviously they are expecting reviewers from the "underserved groups" to give grants to people based on race?
If that evens out the ratio to a more politically correct "equal" amount it only proves that the new reviewers are racist since nothing else changed except the race of the reviewers.
Funny how the merit of the requests and the reasons for the dismissal are not mentioned at all, basically they are saying quality doesn't matter as long as quantities are equal... and people wonder why this country is collapsing.
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There are more options than just race bias. Personality, dress, attitude, many many things. Why assume it is race?
I wasn't aware research grant proposal writers are forced to state their race.
Also, I thought NIH reasearch grants were purposed to produce maximum health benefits for the public, not compensate for differential evolutionary pressures over the past 60,000 years or so.
My research has shown horrible anti-white bias in NBA recruiting. I demand an immediate affermative action policy until whites comprise about 80% of NBA players.
ahahahaha....THAT'S HILARIOUS ! Short people unite ! ahahaha
In 2007, I was told I couldn’t work for NIH because I didn’t have a PhD. Nevertheless, the job didn't required it. When I demanded to know who made this statement and initiated this policy, it unleashed a flurry of “invisible hand” assaults upon my career which I still haven’t recovered from. NIH should correct this problem by immediately implementing a priority one program to focus on increasing African-American employment, contracts and research awards. However, this may prove difficult to do with the existence of fraudulent “ghost” contracts owned by large corporations and “quota” fears. In many cases, small business front companies are staffed by foreign nationals who classify as minorities, but aren’t African-Americans. Many of the nation’s top federal, state and city funded research facilities and programs (graduate/post-graduate) have strong representation of foreign nationals, but few to none African-Americans in principal investigator and/or technical roles. African-Americans aren’t stupid, dumb or lazy. Most importantly… we are loyal to America despite our high and unfair unemployment rates. All types of racism exists worldwide inn every community, but it seems worst against African-Americans in the U.S. Black has lost significant wealth and prosperity gains since 2000. The actual (real) unemployment rate in the U.S. is about 50 million and will soon reach 70 million. The nation has collapsed. People generally acknowledge that the middle class has been destroyed and must be restored to save the nation. However, nobody acknowledges the “new normal” nationwide job discrimination against African-Americans which must be reversed as a matter of national security.
I find it interesting you come here and make an attempt at a legible post that has merit. There are many factors (like them or not) that contribute to the lower numbers mentioned above for colored-folk. Stop crying, learn proper grammar skills, and maybe one day you can make something of yourself. No wonder you didn't get the job for NIH. I bet you played the race-card at the interview and had mis-spellings on your Resume.
Proportionally there are more white researchers than black researchers. As far as the sentence in the article stating NIH will use more black researchers on the review panels can't be entirely accurate since it goes against their own policy that reviewers are previously and currently funded scientists reviewing in their fields. Also NIH unlike NSF doesn't require a researcher to disclose their ethnicity. NSF has a field where it asks for researchers to self identify, and it's optional. Exactly how does NIH know a researcher is black or white if there is no chance to self identify? Also if there just more white researchers than black researchers and there are less funds to compete for (due to economic meltdown) then proportionally white researchers would receive more funding, purely from a statistical standpoint.
You make a very valid point:
The author of this article probably knew this.............but conveniently left it out......because it wouldn't corroborate his racism charges.....and MSNBC couldn't fill its daily quota of race baiting articles it seems to be publishing or broadcasting on a daily basis.....
"The NIH plans to start a program in which promising young researchers from underserved groups are invited to serve on more grant review panels.
We aim to have 50 assigned to each of NIH's three rounds of grant review panels in the 2012 grant year, which begins October 1," Collins said."
So they are going to give out the review panel positions based on race rather than going to the most deserving people
... And that is going to correct "the problem" because obviously they are expecting reviewers from the "underserved groups" to give grants to people based on race?
If that evens out the ratio to a more politically correct "equal" amount it only proves that the new reviewers are racist since nothing else changed except the race of the reviewers.
Funny how the merit of the requests and the reasons for the dismissal are not mentioned at all, basically they are saying quality doesn't matter as long as quantities are equal... and people wonder why this country is collapsing.
That setup is pure reverse racism. Gee wonder who came up with it? The guy that went to the racist Rev Wrights church for 20 years?
The panels that approve the grants are not given the information on race. So that there is no basing it on race. But they are implying that they are still being denied grants based on race because their names sound black, or maybe they went to a majority black school. Hogwash if you ask me.
This study was funded by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson fo sho.......
Could we please drop the "reverse racism" bull$hit? If you base something on another person's race alone, it is racism. Doesn't matter what your race is, or the race of the person discriminated against. It's racism.
There are inherited difference in a lot of medical condition among the races.
If the Black researchers are researching medical anomalies indigenous to the Black Race, then I would say fewer grants for studying is racist.
Especially, when you compare the grants that have been given to white researchers for the most absurd studies I have ever heard.
Example: Risk takers are more likely to be injured or killed....DUH.
White researchers did not need a grant for that, however they received one.
And where, in a research grant application, do you you say "this is more important because I'm black"? How many ways can we manufacture reasons to form a pretense to be offended?
A couple of comments, some of which may not be popular. First, why is the government giving out "research" grants in the first place. Last I checked the Constitution, the authority to do this wasn't there. Second: What is so scientific about these stats? The article states and/or assumes that there is some guideline for the funds to be used for the most important research. But, since there is a difference in what the author feels is the critical criteria, that is absolute equality, then they assume that the difference can only result from the grantors being able to determine that certain grant requests are from whites and certain grant requests are from blacks. Of course, there is nothing in the article to support it. That's why bigots who want to raise bigot issues use baseless claims.
Now, since we are striving for a "color-blind" society, doesn't it make sense to stop seeking color information? I guess that would be too easy.
Actually who asked for the study and why did it take 2 years?
The government should give out research grants for global competitiveness and for impartiality in research endeavors. If research was conducted only in private sectors then only only that research of interest would be conducted and not one with more a public health focus. Comparatively, the US government funds research on a smaller scale than other countries (e.g. N. Korea, China, and Russia). The type of government research we see now started with WWII with vaccine development with researchers hired to conduct research for DOD. See Vannevar Bush's report to President Roosevelt's in response to his question on a organized approach to research after WWII. Without this type of funded research we might not have a vaccine for Polio (unless it was deemed marketable), and other vaccines we take for granted.
And in the end no matter how you put it we will always be second class in the country.
It took me until my mid 30's to come to this understanding.
I worked every day I said every day that I would make a difference in this country for black and white or any person of color.
But i find now that I should listen to my father who use to say you will always be a second class in this country all because you are black and my answer was always daddy you are wrong.
To have those words proofed to be correct hurt then and hurts now.
But white America doesn't see it that way I have friend that say oh those people don't want nothing better in life that's why the have nothing and that way they do all those crimes, I smile and say you'll never understand it until you've been there.
Basically what I'm saying is that you are not tell a person who is black something they already know and as for the white people you are saying nothing at all because when it comes down to it they don't care and will not care.
People will be second class in this country only when they feel they are second class. Laws protect them so there is no excuse.
I'm sorry you are so racist and bitter.
I have deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan twice AVA8HARRIERUSMC1. I have two young children and am faithful to my wife and serve my community. I work with people of all races and creeds and have never attacked a single one or treated them any different.
And, yes, I am also white. And dispite me being what most would consider a decent guy living a decent life YOU hate ME for the color of my skin. Regardless of what you have endured or what your daddy told you, YOU are the racist you complain of. It sucks enough on deployment to have to worry about terrorists blowing me up, but I also have to think about how I am dodging bullets to protect YOUR racist a$$!
Keep living you life of bitter hate, and I will keep living my life of kindness and service.....which , yes, is possible for the White Devil.
AVA8... what if your father had told you that you would suceed and do well in life if you tried your very best? How do you know that the problems you have faced aren't due to your own self esteem issues simply because of what your father drummed into your head all these years.
If you have children, do them a favor, build them up. Don't hold them back.
It is his self-esteem issues and the lack of proper grammar skills.
Uggggg...as much I inherently want to support the AVA8 guy above, I cannot do so (completely). Yes, as an African American we are often taught by our parents that it is assumed we are less capable and only excel at physical task and entertainment. This is due primarily to the fact that our parents grew up during a time when discrimination was outwardly accepted on the basis and belief that blacks are inferior.
Yes, there are instances where it is obvious being African American has its disadvantages, especially when it comes to making first impressions prior to displaying any behavior that might lead someone to make an initial assumption; however, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
Many of us are now proof of the fact that with hard work we will achieve the same level of success as our white, asian, hispanic counterparts.
So yes, my parents told me something similar to what AVA8's parents told him (though not as drastic); however, they NEVER ONCE suggested that hard work would NOT allow me to achieve my goals. I listened to them to my parents and now I am respected by my other classmates, residents, and attendings...and everything, for me...as a black male, is going well.
No hate here....no need for handouts here...I can (and do) hold my own.
Why wouldn't reviewers be blinded to name, race and institution of the researchers proposing the study (or any other factor that might tip the reviewers off as to race or ethnicity of the researcher). Their decision would be based solely on the proposed research. If a bias is shown subsequent to that, one could conclude that those proposals were inferior regardless of race, or any other factor.
A. That would not give NIH the opportunity to make it's publicity announcements and point out how they celebrate "culturally diversity" and how great and magical it is.
B. That would not result in more money going to minorities so someone would still pressure the NIH.
You act like you think the NIH has a function to perform and distributing money and review panel positions by race is not part of it... your are 100% correct.
The goal is not to do the best job, it's to appease those who complain. Who pays for it? In this case anyone who could have benefited from medical research that wasn't performed because grants were not given on merit.
HAHAHA! The NIH, CDC, DARPA, etc. will not fund ANY project unless it is from the "good ole boy" establishments. I have been doing research for over thirty years and this crowd is some of the most ignorant, arrogant, egotistical, assinine in the country. Ever wonder why there is no cure for diseases and conditions, that have been around since the beginning of time? MONEY! I fund all of my projects with private funds, controlling the use of the data and bringing solutions to those who need it with modest proceeds that go to CHARITABLE causes, such as homeless veterans.
If I’m not mistaken, some grants are allocated to small business and/or other classifications which may be considered as “set-a-side” funding for minorities. Perhaps this is one of many possible ways to account for tracking program awards. The ratio you imply makes practical sense considering the approximate 40% unemployment number reported to be associated within African-American communities across America. If accurate and your presumption is correct, logic and pragmatism dictates a remedy (contracts, grants, scholarships, etc,.) must be instituted ASAP. However, funding irrelevant programs like “why do hot air balloons crash” is not very practical. I actually discovered and read this program report back in 1997. Unless the goal was to eliminate modern air travel (planes and helicopters) to improve national flight safety standards, I don’t grasp the financial justification of why this program was funded by the government through Mayo Clinic. We must focus on health care, life science and technology innovation opportunities for African-Americans and rural Americans who have been most adversely impacted by the current great depression. This population is easy to identify and/or track, simply ask them to product unemployment statements, eviction letters, late payment bills and collection notices from the last four years.
Their has been a disparity between large university and smaller ones when coming to receiving grants from NIH. It is good that the NIH is reviewing its granting process so there is more fairness. We all benefit when a diverse group of universities and colleges are given the opportunity to follow through on one of their promising projects.
I've sat on many NIH grant review panels. Sometimes you might know the person whose grant you are reviewing [each reviewer gets to assess maybe 10-20 grants per session] but most of the time you don't. You read the science and critique it. You don't look to see if the applicant is white or black or green for that matter, and in fact I know of no way you could do so even you wanted to. If there is "an old boy network" as the above correspondent seems to think I've never seen it. If he hasn't gotten Federal funding over the past 30-years then this is because his applications obviously aren't good enough [sorry].
This discovery of racial bias in NIH is only a tip of the iceberg. Does the Director, Dr Collins pretend that he is not aware of this? This is ever going on. To prove this point, just send an application for employment to NIH and use the names typical of blacks, your application will not be answered and it does not matter your level of qualification.
This discovery of racial bias in NIH is only a tip of the iceberg. Does the Director, Dr Collins pretend that he is not aware of this? This is ever going on. To prove this point, just send an application for employment to NIH and use the names typical of blacks, your application will not be answered and it does not matter your level of qualification.
As funding levels for NIH grants drop to ever lower levels, many aspects of the peer-review system are falling apart. A review panel is very capable of accurately figuring out how to cull out the bottom 50% of grants. And there's probably another 20-30% that a review panel can say are not quite there -- they need to go back into the oven until the fork comes out clean.
But the reality is that there is not a panel anywhere in the world that can accurately figure out which grant should be at the top 5 percent vs. the top 8%. So when 90-95% of the grants are being rejected, the process to select the ones that make the cut becomes more and more political.
12% of the general population receiving 2/3 as many grants as 70% of the general population seems awfully high.
My thought, exactly! More "gibs me dat" mentality. I am so tired of everything being linked to some supposed RAYCISM! The powers that be need to look at the data and reduce the grants to blacks. Wouldn't that be more fair?
Perhaps they should give a grant for someone to investigate that any reference black-holes is racist? Yep, it sure did happen--just search "black holes racism".
Your math is incorrect. The grants where the applicants identify as "black" receive funding 20% of the time. The grants where applicants identify themselves as "Caucasian" receive funding 30% of the time. It is not 20%/30% of ALL funded grants. Read more carefully before commenting, or (gasp) refer to the study that the article is referring to, the statistics are enlightening.
This is bullsh*t! This is just another bias report by blacks playing the "poor black man".
First of all, when one writes a grant, race is not asked in any shape or form. Second, how many Asians, Native American, or Mexican researchers for that matter come into play in this so called report.
If the black leaders are all that indignant and self righteous about these grants being fair, then THEY HAVE TO GIVE some of the blacks grants to these other races.
But if other races are getting more grants it's got nothing to do with race it has to do with what the grant is written for, and how it is written. NOTHING MORE, nothing less.
Did you read the article? At all? There was a direct comparison of Caucasians and Asians. Have you, in fact, applied for an NIH-sponsored grant? I'm guessing no, seeing that you have no idea about the applications process. I think that for an RO1, there are something like 75-100 pages of information, one subsection being gender, race, age, etc. Don't comment about something you know nothing about.
big ian, I responded to your comments, but they would not post! I have been asked numerous questions about my education, other research, and who would be qualified to clean the bathrooms. You know that your financial background is also investigated as the process moves forward, so the process is rigorous. I have even been asked about why I do not give other research discoveries to other entities that are more credible, such as the discovery of the cause of Autism. Just so you know!
When applicants send proposals to the NIH, they identify their race, ethnicity and gender, but this information is removed from the application before the materials are sent to review. Collins said it is possible that reviewers are able to guess the race or ethnicity of an applicant by looking at names or where they trained.
Well that's just too much of a stretch. I'm sorry the NIH feels so much guilt here, but the place to fix this is at the start of the line, not the end. Public boarding schools would put everyone on an equal playing field and eliminate the need for these sorts of studies.
I hear the NIH has Friday afternoon cross burnings they are so racist. (Not)
they walk around with hoods, oh wait a minute those are surgiocal masks.
Blacks make up 11% of the population but take up 60% of the beds in prisons. I demand more beds be made available to the oppressed white people. Hey wait. Could it be that more blacks earn prison beds and more whites earn grants? Naw, what a stupid idea.
You left out 70 percent of The government jobs
Especially in Bama!
when you are the MINORITY, you come after the MAJORITY. Get over it.
Who cares? There are more important things to worry about. How paid for this study? The taxpayers? Is there more white people that apply then black? Are there more whites than blacks? Maybe the whites write a better application. I am tired of hearing about how abused the blacks are. There are a lot of injustices that happen to the whites. I never hear about those.
Grant Proposal: Dear Uncle Sam, I'd like to study the life-expectancy of individuals who over-indulge in fried fish, fried pork chops, fried chicken and waffles, pickled pigs feet, ham-hocks, chitlins & cornbread with buttermilk, pig ears, hog jowls, tripe, souse, watermelon, Colt 45 Malt-liquor, MD 20/20 (mad-dog), Faygo Red-pop and grape kool-aid. And please hurry up wit dat free money befo my last artery done git all clawged up'd. Mys dibetus bees actin up and my hawrt bees given mees da fits. So I's sho doos needs me sum dat der free money.. appreciates it toos Mister Uncle Sam. I show doos appreciates it.
They already get all the entitlements. And let's not even begin to discuss every act of fraud committed by them to take advantage of each and every give-away program designed to help them INCLUDING the Pell Grant system. Do they ever have to EARN ANYTHING??? GIVE THEM NOTHING!!!!!
LOL...I get the point of your puerile rant! It was meant to be a satire of everything you think is only associated with black people...LOL of course you learned that from watching TV.
I hate to burst your bubble, but quite a few white people like many of the things you so gleefully posted. I can just imagine the smirk on your face while posting this crap...lol think this actually sub-standard post would be considered witty! Well....maybe witty to you...but not anyone else with at least part of their frontal lobe!
Oh and I hate to break it to you but the Pell grant is available to anyone who meets the economic qualifications, regardless of race.
As of now it seems like you might benefit from some entitlement, especially if this is representative of your thought process. This kind of reminds me of a few other posters who clearly are missing a considerable number of neuronal connections....what's that guys name...that's right...Miker!!!! Are you guys related or have you both been subjected to the same trauma that has lead the emesis of idiocy?
...just curious!
@Ken-C, I have several white friends who happen to like all of the things that you just listed and I am black and don't like any of it. So I think you need to stop sterotyping black people. Racism is wrong either way it goes. Black people shouldn't be racist and white people shouldn't either.
I hate that I fight for ignorant people to spew their hate and ingnorance filled words on websites like this, but that is the world we live in. It is sad that it is 2011 and we have a half black president and people are still racist. They think that all black people are ignorant and lazy. I think that you need to stop watching TV and actually spend time with black people to see how we really are and not how we are protrayed on TV and your evening news. That doesn't capture the entire black race.
Ever thing is not about race and people need to know that.I was in the 11Th grade when we were integratedand 50 years latter people are still hollowing about race.I believe we studied out of the same books.
Obviously the blacks are not writing up the kinds of research the money givers feel is needed.
As the article notes, there is nothing in the grant proposals demanding the race of the person.