So it seems the logical conclusion of this study is not that Americans fall in love slower that E. Europeans, but that Americans and E. Europeans define love, particularly romantic love, differently.
yeah but how long do those relationships last? i live in the middle east and every time i meet a guy hes "in love" with me in 2 weeks. He's gone a week after that. i call it "the 21 day rule."
I hate to assume, but is that when he realizes you dont want to be his slave? Or is that when he realizes that you think women should be able to have thoughts and speak them?
And if you tell them you won the lottery and they do change their tune, run, quick. Better not to tell them, at least not initially. A guy doesn't have to be rich to get a date... but it helps to keep the woman around if he can show that he can adequately provide for her, as time passes. (Note the word, "adequately." He doesn't have to be filthy rich.) If he can't do that, and he doesn't have the personality/looks/wit to make up for it, she'll probably finally get smart and leave.
3 months...they are simply sleeping with every guy with more $$ first hoping to trap or trick them into being stuck with them. they are truly grotesque, don't waste your time.
Ummm, you need to read "He's Just Not That Into You." Works the same way just with women. If she were into you, she would call. Maybe you aren't asking the right women? Try expanding your circle. Not judgement on you, but I LOVE the guys who are crazy overweight, working at McDonald's, living at home with mom that get all pissy because the super models won't go out with them. DUH!! And all the dudes dating gold diggers, well you get what you pay for.
The difference is that American women are so neurotic and play so many head games with a guy to where romantic love becomes the stuff of chick-flicks than real life. Dating is a total pain in the azz!! Bring back the 70's!
Maybe this is true outside of urban areas that the females are the more neurotic ones, though I doubt it. It's probably about 50-50. In metropolitan areas there have been so many "metrosexual" men (wink, wink) that the head games; playing hard to get; immature failure to commit because the man is "waiting to find someone better" even when he admits his comfort and satisfaction levels are high with what he's got, are just as likely ploys of the culturally feminized men. Chicks flicks are an absurdity and have for years just been so embarrassing to both sexes to have to sit through them. Chock that up to the industry's odd heroines, lack of imagination and grounding. Dating would have to be a pain in the patooey as well as a health gamble in these times. Bring back the 70s? Actually bring back the 1950s of iconic rock and roll, hot rods, bobby socks, poodle skirts, families that stayed together and an America where the so-called leaders had enough sense to know you don't bring in, for example, 80 billion in revenue but spend 200 billion, or worse. Maybe the neuroticism of the dating pool is actually desperation with the uncertain times. Good luck to all out in the dating scene, really.
Sh@%$~ No more than you men! Please are you kidden me, Men are the biggest game players of all! Don't blame women cause we learned it from the biggest Players of all MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Women are "neurotic" because they are driving themselves crazy trying to fit all the expectations and standards set for them. Perhaps if their wasn't so much pressure for them to be "perfect". Perhaps if women could be "attractive" without being considered "slutty". Perhaps if they weren't all expected to look and act in the bedroom like the women in the pornos men love so much. Perhaps if we knew we could actually date you without you throwing us away without warning for the next chick you see....in short, American women are crazy because you American men make us this way...
As a lesbian, I always find the "hate" that exists between hetero's a little bit odd...just saying.
I mean, I get who you're "sexually" attracted to - but emotionally, men and women seem to loathe each other from the onset...I cant quite fathom how thats destined to work, when you view every female (or male) from such a hateful & disrepectful lens.
Im not shocked that so many relationships fail...men and women are judging all men and all women, based on the few experiences they've had in their lives...and BOTH have little reality to compare it too.
Here's a hint - stop trying to meet partners at the bar if you're looking for something more significant than a one night stand.
I got a bazillion more tips for all your single and frustrated boys and girls...but I suspect most of you think YOU'RE THE PERFECT ONE and everyone else is the POS who keeps letting you down?
Last tip of this post - if everyone else would rank you a 6 out of 10...look for other 6's...otherwise, life will be one disappointment after another. There's no reason other people will lower their standards, if you arent willing to.
BLM "Perhaps if we knew we could actually date you without you throwing us away without warning for the next chick you see....in short, American women are crazy because you American men make us this way"
im thinking women are making themselves crazy...if some guy throws you away for the next chick he see's, rather than feeling like you just lost some great catch - you SHOULD be counting your blessings that you found out what kind of a douche that guy was before going any further.
I'm thinking I should write a DATING FOR DUMMIES book...because so many of you men and women seem to be confused about life in general, so no wonder you cant figure out how to date someone without jumping off a bridge if it doesnt pan out as expected.
For a lot of women, it's easier to just settle for a douche than to try to navigate the vast sea of douches to find that one good fish...because that might take an entire lifetime...
This story makes more sense than many I've read for the past few weeks.
Americans, once they get to know each other better, find more things about each other they find distasteful. Selfishness, oneness, forever auspiciousness, and the rest of the stuff. Nation's oneness has been bought by the money changers. Thanks, Rush and Hannicarp.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. How about comparing us to the English? Our views on romantic love are determined, in part, by our society and our heritage. Think of the influence that the Camelot stories and the concept of courtly love have had on our view of romance. As CJ pointed out, we're probably close to the Western Europeans in general, and the English, in particular. If we're substantially different, that might be a topic worth examining.
American women are all about the dollar sign, even the ones you think are not are. I used to make a ton of cash and lived in a huge house, surprisingly every woman I came in contact with thought they were in love. Oh they were in love alright, but it wasnt with me.
I don't think anything has changed since the beginning of human or other animal life on Earth. The best and/or strongest providers have always done well when it comes to finding a mate. The weakest have more problems doing so. Of course there are always exceptions to this rule, especially in the beginning of any relationship, but as time passes, a woman may see a man without a job or money as not a a good prospect, and will likely find it easy to move on if or when she finds better.
It is probably no surprise that in a relentlessly consumerist culture for the last fifty years or so, that when the wheels are off this earning/income wagon for most (since at least the 1987 stock market crash; then there have only been a series of temporary boom cycles then a bust of the "asset" manipulated whether that was dot.com stocks, putative equity in a house, mythic derivatives or something else) that many men and many women have felt fear about their continued ability to be the good mindless consumers that this culture insists they must be. That leads everyone to pair-up, mate-up and marry-up as they can. The lack of emphasis on principled living and longterm goals, as opposed to short term thinking and greed is another aspect...So there is a lot of fear and uncertainty, especially in the earlier years of relationship... As people mature, see that nonessential "stuff" is not really keeping them warm at night and hopefully find more modest, sustainable consumption expectations and patterns maybe both more men and women can be happier and look more to the love than the loot as the prize. That mindset will definitely be an advantage in the USA of the next 10-12 years, as the excesses of recent decades inevitably will mean there is less to spend for most. In that environment forget the guy or gal who is great to brunch out with and then go shopping with. The real prize will be the guy/gal who knows how to make repairs at home and the guy/gal who knows how to make a tasty meal from available pantry staples.
I think this article highlights everyones lack of historical knowledge. "love" & "dating" are a fairly recent concept...and women having 1/2 the say in the matter, is an extremely knew concept.
today, in america, there are a million ways a guy or a girl could be viewing DATING, MARRIAGE, PARTNERSHIP, LOVE, ect...
and since most people dont talk about what they want, what they are looking for, where they hope to be in 10 yrs...rarely do people make good connections.
You might physically and emotionally connect with someone, only to find out a year later that one of you wants a big family and the other, doesnt want kids at all.
Everyone would have been better off knowing that to start...if its a deal breaker anyway.
If you've got kids, its on you to do a better job of educating your kid about the world they live in and how best to approach it.
People need to enjoy dating more, and worry a tad less about "finding the forever and ever" on every single date. Most of these experiences come with lessons to learn...about yourself, and about dating and about the rest of your life. Most people miss these lessons because they keep looking in the rear view mirror at what shoulda, coulda been.
It's all about money, everywhere. The US hardly has a monopoly on that opinion, and 95% of the world's population know that fact all too well, unfortunately.
Maybe if you would quit bitching about American women they would like you better. in the meantime, you can have a "fleeting" romance with a Lithuanian. The thing that you guys seem to have missed is that Americans are looking for longer-lasting relationships.
Oh hell.... people all around the world are looking for the same thing and the current American prerequisites for longer lasting relationships seem to have some serious flaws if you judge it by the divorce rate in this country. The American approach to love is no better than the approaches in any other nation, its just far more fearful.
In this country we place too much pressure on income, job title and financial value on a potential spouse or date Before 'love' can last. The number 1 question most people ask the other person is "what do you do for a living?"Back in the day when Mom used to tell their daughters "make sure you marry a DR" has become the truth. In Europe, they don't place value on a person's occupation, income or financial value on a potential partner. If this poll were to ask "what is the number 1 thing you look for in a potential mate" I think the majority of women responses would be overwhelmingly "His job and income". I have seen too many women being told "he may not be that good looking but He's a DR."
In this country we place too much pressure on income, job title and financial value [...]
It's like that everywhere. Unfortunately in most countries, women don't have the option of finding a "Donald Trump" on every street corner, so they settle with whatever options they have available to them.
You men get hung up on the darndest things. What you do for a living is a way to start a conversation, so you have something to talk about. Unless your answer is "I live with my mom and haven't worked in two years", most reasonable women would be content. Home repairs, pets, and college experiences are also fun to talk about when you are getting to know someone, but more people have jobs which gives you a better opportunity to find something to talk about. Pretty much any topic chosen will give a woman insight not just on money (not that important), but intellect and values (very important).
Dr. Cat is right. For purely evolutionary reasons, women are going to be looking for a good provider. At one time, a woman could have determined that by sizing a man up physically. These days, physical strength or appearance is no indicator of a man's ability to provide for his family. So, women need to determine that through other means.
If you think that happens more in the US than in other countries, you also have to ask about the differences, if any, in how single men and women meet. If its a society where women meet men through family or social connections, it is more likely that they have an idea of his resources and social standing. In a mobile society such as the US, men and women of differing economic status are thrown together all the time.
From what I see of my 21 year old son in college,...the games people play, their incessant dependence on facebook/tweeting/ the youth of today have lost the fine art of "relating", in-your-face contact. Socializing up close and personal. Plus, our society has become so vain thanks to 24-7 commercializing of every facet of our lives. Forget looking into one's heart, mind, soul. It's all about the "beautiful people"...how they LOOK. How tall are you. and...."what's in YOUR wallet."
So true. How much depth and relating can there be in a 200 character message or less? How much depth and longevity of relationship can there be when the basis is looks that will fade even with the cosmetic surgery and balance sheets that are already badly fading? Time to get out of fantasyland and into practical reality for any of our sons, daughters and grands out in the dating game and inheriting this "politicians kicked the can down the road since 1963, kicked into overdrive since late 2007, and this is what you are stuck with, USA". The direction of this country is that Joe and Jane Doe will be downshifting to daily life and spending more like the 1930s and 40s than the 1990s. Maybe people will become more pragmatic in their dating and pairing up behaviors? Or not?
The young people hung up on facebook and twitter have not contributed to the 50% divorce rate we have had going on for at least the past 15 years. They may be on to somthing smarter than my generation was, so I am not going to knock it.
It's actually American men (under 35 anyway) who play head games. As an American woman, I've experienced all sorts of rejection. I'm very straight forward and only expect the same out of a man. Many American men seem to be cowardly (won't even let a woman know when they no longer want her.) Maybe I should move to Russia.
lose 50lbs and take the burger out of your mouth...either that or go back in time and avoid being the superficial tramp you were when you were in your 20's ; ) ...and don't EVEN pretend that i'm wrong here.
You don't need to be a supermodel, or come from an ivy league school. You had better be the best you can be, continually working on and improving your health, fitness, both, "physical & financial", along with your relationships. You time will come.
Sad but true. Love often has a dollar sign on it, at least for some girls. The truth will be revealed, boys, if you take your time. Remember Europe is socialistic, so if her, "daddy", can't provide, the state will. This changes the paradigm a bit.
sashafawn.... you are probably right from your point of view. But I can also tell you the (girls) who think they are womern but act like "girls"....talking the 18-to mid 20s sect...they too play games, bob and weave, deflect and put on acts.
Oh, I agree that many guys...go for the "fruit" with absolutely no intention of commitments, or developing any type of meaningful relationship. But I also see the "girls," not women, play their childish, flirty games....(look but don't touch)...and god help a young man who tries to make a move, putting on his best manners,...they are deemed as stalkers, creeps, weirdos.
Dunno...just seems like the games people play today are nothing like the days of the early 70s. I feel bad for the younger generation...everything has been made unnecessarily "over" complicated. And yes, you stated it correctly....Women-girls, or Men-boys....there's BIG difference.
I generally agree Beev, but it seems to me that men are attracted to those types. Oh, they say they want mature and capable etc., but they never date that type even when they are available. These girls, annoying as they are, are just providing what men (boys) ask for.
You know, I once said to one of these women, "Does your mother know you're here?" and she said, "No, and it's a good thing, because this is her corner."
This whole study is woefully incomplete and one sided. How about a follow up to see how long the relationships last comparitively and how many of these initial romantic encounters lead to marriage and how long those marriages last?
It seems to me the entire thing is slanted to suggest that the European notion of love is a knee jerk reaction and thus far less substantial because it lacks the notion of friendship as a primary basis. It also seems to suggest that Europeans are jaded in their concept of love because they have the good sense to realize there is no such thing as the eternal honey moon. Seems to me they are far more realistic and are measuring intial romance by passion rather than expectation. It also appears to me that they see it for what it is and are happy with the excitment of new found love and are content to just enjoy it and see where it goes without attaching a list of guidelines to it to judge its potential longevity.
nav it costs 250 a month to get health care. if you're in the 18% of people with no employer provided healthcare. you can also sign up for medicaid and have the rest of the working population pay for your lack of ethic.
Again, MSNBC needs an editor who recognizes when an adverb is needed and know what one is! Americans fall in love "more slowly" is correct, not what the headline states.
Love may not be dead in America but literacy sure is!
Americans also want a new car ever couple of years when the ash trays fill up. Its all about barnyard Hollywood behavior in the U.S. as young people play mattress polo on the first date and move on to the next game. Why get married when you can get all of the benefits without making a commitment.
So it seems the logical conclusion of this study is not that Americans fall in love slower that E. Europeans, but that Americans and E. Europeans define love, particularly romantic love, differently.
I do not understand. I fall in love every day.
yeah but how long do those relationships last? i live in the middle east and every time i meet a guy hes "in love" with me in 2 weeks. He's gone a week after that. i call it "the 21 day rule."
rockmebritney - "he's gone a week after that"
I hate to assume, but is that when he realizes you dont want to be his slave? Or is that when he realizes that you think women should be able to have thoughts and speak them?
hey jessica, im not gonna argue with that. men here are pigs. but they dont want you to be their slave, they want you to be their mother.
Yeah. And as a result, only 50% of the folks who get married, get divorced.
Hmmmmm............
Its a proven fact, that marriage is the cause of ALL divorce.
Actually, it's more like 40% now and if both parties went to college, it is closer to 25%.
I'd be interested to know how much of that 50% is second or third divorces.
According Forest Institute of Professional Psychology, Springfield:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is between 45% to 50%.
The divorce rate in America for second marriages is between 60% to 67%
The divorce rate in America for third marriages is between 70% to 73%
Why am I not surprised? It takes American women 3 months just to decide to go out with you.
I feel you brother!
Or maybe you're just really unappealing. (Hint: self-righteous whining =/= attractive)
Tell them you won the lottery, they'll change their tune quick.
And if you tell them you won the lottery and they do change their tune, run, quick. Better not to tell them, at least not initially. A guy doesn't have to be rich to get a date... but it helps to keep the woman around if he can show that he can adequately provide for her, as time passes. (Note the word, "adequately." He doesn't have to be filthy rich.) If he can't do that, and he doesn't have the personality/looks/wit to make up for it, she'll probably finally get smart and leave.
They get one chance per lifetime........................ Next!
3 months...they are simply sleeping with every guy with more $$ first hoping to trap or trick them into being stuck with them. they are truly grotesque, don't waste your time.
Ummm, you need to read "He's Just Not That Into You." Works the same way just with women. If she were into you, she would call. Maybe you aren't asking the right women? Try expanding your circle. Not judgement on you, but I LOVE the guys who are crazy overweight, working at McDonald's, living at home with mom that get all pissy because the super models won't go out with them. DUH!! And all the dudes dating gold diggers, well you get what you pay for.
The difference is that American women are so neurotic and play so many head games with a guy to where romantic love becomes the stuff of chick-flicks than real life. Dating is a total pain in the azz!! Bring back the 70's!
Maybe this is true outside of urban areas that the females are the more neurotic ones, though I doubt it. It's probably about 50-50. In metropolitan areas there have been so many "metrosexual" men (wink, wink) that the head games; playing hard to get; immature failure to commit because the man is "waiting to find someone better" even when he admits his comfort and satisfaction levels are high with what he's got, are just as likely ploys of the culturally feminized men. Chicks flicks are an absurdity and have for years just been so embarrassing to both sexes to have to sit through them. Chock that up to the industry's odd heroines, lack of imagination and grounding. Dating would have to be a pain in the patooey as well as a health gamble in these times. Bring back the 70s? Actually bring back the 1950s of iconic rock and roll, hot rods, bobby socks, poodle skirts, families that stayed together and an America where the so-called leaders had enough sense to know you don't bring in, for example, 80 billion in revenue but spend 200 billion, or worse. Maybe the neuroticism of the dating pool is actually desperation with the uncertain times. Good luck to all out in the dating scene, really.
Sh@%$~ No more than you men! Please are you kidden me, Men are the biggest game players of all! Don't blame women cause we learned it from the biggest Players of all MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Women are "neurotic" because they are driving themselves crazy trying to fit all the expectations and standards set for them. Perhaps if their wasn't so much pressure for them to be "perfect". Perhaps if women could be "attractive" without being considered "slutty". Perhaps if they weren't all expected to look and act in the bedroom like the women in the pornos men love so much. Perhaps if we knew we could actually date you without you throwing us away without warning for the next chick you see....in short, American women are crazy because you American men make us this way...
As a lesbian, I always find the "hate" that exists between hetero's a little bit odd...just saying.
I mean, I get who you're "sexually" attracted to - but emotionally, men and women seem to loathe each other from the onset...I cant quite fathom how thats destined to work, when you view every female (or male) from such a hateful & disrepectful lens.
Im not shocked that so many relationships fail...men and women are judging all men and all women, based on the few experiences they've had in their lives...and BOTH have little reality to compare it too.
Here's a hint - stop trying to meet partners at the bar if you're looking for something more significant than a one night stand.
I got a bazillion more tips for all your single and frustrated boys and girls...but I suspect most of you think YOU'RE THE PERFECT ONE and everyone else is the POS who keeps letting you down?
Last tip of this post - if everyone else would rank you a 6 out of 10...look for other 6's...otherwise, life will be one disappointment after another. There's no reason other people will lower their standards, if you arent willing to.
BLM "Perhaps if we knew we could actually date you without you throwing us away without warning for the next chick you see....in short, American women are crazy because you American men make us this way"
im thinking women are making themselves crazy...if some guy throws you away for the next chick he see's, rather than feeling like you just lost some great catch - you SHOULD be counting your blessings that you found out what kind of a douche that guy was before going any further.
I'm thinking I should write a DATING FOR DUMMIES book...because so many of you men and women seem to be confused about life in general, so no wonder you cant figure out how to date someone without jumping off a bridge if it doesnt pan out as expected.
For a lot of women, it's easier to just settle for a douche than to try to navigate the vast sea of douches to find that one good fish...because that might take an entire lifetime...
This story makes more sense than many I've read for the past few weeks.
Americans, once they get to know each other better, find more things about each other they find distasteful. Selfishness, oneness, forever auspiciousness, and the rest of the stuff. Nation's oneness has been bought by the money changers. Thanks, Rush and Hannicarp.
So that's who was diving into the bushes outside my buddy's house when he first suspected his wife of cheating!
Thanks, barry!
barry - twist the tin-foil hat slightly to the left, you're getting a wonky reception.
And what exactly is the importance of this study?????
I think what we already know... Americans are more superficial, self-centered and egotistical than others on the planet.
What I want to know is how do Americans compare to Western Europeans? I'd guess our attitudes are closer.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. How about comparing us to the English? Our views on romantic love are determined, in part, by our society and our heritage. Think of the influence that the Camelot stories and the concept of courtly love have had on our view of romance. As CJ pointed out, we're probably close to the Western Europeans in general, and the English, in particular. If we're substantially different, that might be a topic worth examining.
American women are all about the dollar sign, even the ones you think are not are. I used to make a ton of cash and lived in a huge house, surprisingly every woman I came in contact with thought they were in love. Oh they were in love alright, but it wasnt with me.
I don't think anything has changed since the beginning of human or other animal life on Earth. The best and/or strongest providers have always done well when it comes to finding a mate. The weakest have more problems doing so. Of course there are always exceptions to this rule, especially in the beginning of any relationship, but as time passes, a woman may see a man without a job or money as not a a good prospect, and will likely find it easy to move on if or when she finds better.
It is probably no surprise that in a relentlessly consumerist culture for the last fifty years or so, that when the wheels are off this earning/income wagon for most (since at least the 1987 stock market crash; then there have only been a series of temporary boom cycles then a bust of the "asset" manipulated whether that was dot.com stocks, putative equity in a house, mythic derivatives or something else) that many men and many women have felt fear about their continued ability to be the good mindless consumers that this culture insists they must be. That leads everyone to pair-up, mate-up and marry-up as they can. The lack of emphasis on principled living and longterm goals, as opposed to short term thinking and greed is another aspect...So there is a lot of fear and uncertainty, especially in the earlier years of relationship... As people mature, see that nonessential "stuff" is not really keeping them warm at night and hopefully find more modest, sustainable consumption expectations and patterns maybe both more men and women can be happier and look more to the love than the loot as the prize. That mindset will definitely be an advantage in the USA of the next 10-12 years, as the excesses of recent decades inevitably will mean there is less to spend for most. In that environment forget the guy or gal who is great to brunch out with and then go shopping with. The real prize will be the guy/gal who knows how to make repairs at home and the guy/gal who knows how to make a tasty meal from available pantry staples.
I think this article highlights everyones lack of historical knowledge. "love" & "dating" are a fairly recent concept...and women having 1/2 the say in the matter, is an extremely knew concept.
today, in america, there are a million ways a guy or a girl could be viewing DATING, MARRIAGE, PARTNERSHIP, LOVE, ect...
and since most people dont talk about what they want, what they are looking for, where they hope to be in 10 yrs...rarely do people make good connections.
You might physically and emotionally connect with someone, only to find out a year later that one of you wants a big family and the other, doesnt want kids at all.
Everyone would have been better off knowing that to start...if its a deal breaker anyway.
If you've got kids, its on you to do a better job of educating your kid about the world they live in and how best to approach it.
People need to enjoy dating more, and worry a tad less about "finding the forever and ever" on every single date. Most of these experiences come with lessons to learn...about yourself, and about dating and about the rest of your life. Most people miss these lessons because they keep looking in the rear view mirror at what shoulda, coulda been.
Why get married when health care is crappy in the US. You have to be a millionaire to get decent health care here.
Its all about money in the US.
It's all about money, everywhere. The US hardly has a monopoly on that opinion, and 95% of the world's population know that fact all too well, unfortunately.
Maybe if you would quit bitching about American women they would like you better. in the meantime, you can have a "fleeting" romance with a Lithuanian. The thing that you guys seem to have missed is that Americans are looking for longer-lasting relationships.
Oh hell.... people all around the world are looking for the same thing and the current American prerequisites for longer lasting relationships seem to have some serious flaws if you judge it by the divorce rate in this country. The American approach to love is no better than the approaches in any other nation, its just far more fearful.
We're more discerning.
Awaiting ugly replies in 5...4...3...2..............
In this country we place too much pressure on income, job title and financial value on a potential spouse or date Before 'love' can last. The number 1 question most people ask the other person is "what do you do for a living?"Back in the day when Mom used to tell their daughters "make sure you marry a DR" has become the truth. In Europe, they don't place value on a person's occupation, income or financial value on a potential partner. If this poll were to ask "what is the number 1 thing you look for in a potential mate" I think the majority of women responses would be overwhelmingly "His job and income". I have seen too many women being told "he may not be that good looking but He's a DR."
It's like that everywhere. Unfortunately in most countries, women don't have the option of finding a "Donald Trump" on every street corner, so they settle with whatever options they have available to them.
You men get hung up on the darndest things. What you do for a living is a way to start a conversation, so you have something to talk about. Unless your answer is "I live with my mom and haven't worked in two years", most reasonable women would be content. Home repairs, pets, and college experiences are also fun to talk about when you are getting to know someone, but more people have jobs which gives you a better opportunity to find something to talk about. Pretty much any topic chosen will give a woman insight not just on money (not that important), but intellect and values (very important).
Dr. Cat is right. For purely evolutionary reasons, women are going to be looking for a good provider. At one time, a woman could have determined that by sizing a man up physically. These days, physical strength or appearance is no indicator of a man's ability to provide for his family. So, women need to determine that through other means.
If you think that happens more in the US than in other countries, you also have to ask about the differences, if any, in how single men and women meet. If its a society where women meet men through family or social connections, it is more likely that they have an idea of his resources and social standing. In a mobile society such as the US, men and women of differing economic status are thrown together all the time.
From what I see of my 21 year old son in college,...the games people play, their incessant dependence on facebook/tweeting/ the youth of today have lost the fine art of "relating", in-your-face contact. Socializing up close and personal. Plus, our society has become so vain thanks to 24-7 commercializing of every facet of our lives. Forget looking into one's heart, mind, soul. It's all about the "beautiful people"...how they LOOK. How tall are you. and...."what's in YOUR wallet."
Vanity and self-absorption rules.
So true. How much depth and relating can there be in a 200 character message or less?
How much depth and longevity of relationship can there be when the basis is looks that will fade even with the cosmetic surgery and balance sheets that are already badly fading?
Time to get out of fantasyland and into practical reality for any of our sons, daughters and grands out in the dating game and inheriting this "politicians kicked the can down the road since 1963, kicked into overdrive since late 2007, and this is what you are stuck with, USA". The direction of this country is that Joe and Jane Doe will be downshifting to daily life and spending more like the 1930s and 40s than the 1990s. Maybe people will become more pragmatic in their dating and pairing up behaviors? Or not?
The young people hung up on facebook and twitter have not contributed to the 50% divorce rate we have had going on for at least the past 15 years. They may be on to somthing smarter than my generation was, so I am not going to knock it.
It's actually American men (under 35 anyway) who play head games. As an American woman, I've experienced all sorts of rejection. I'm very straight forward and only expect the same out of a man. Many American men seem to be cowardly (won't even let a woman know when they no longer want her.) Maybe I should move to Russia.
lose 50lbs and take the burger out of your mouth...either that or go back in time and avoid being the superficial tramp you were when you were in your 20's ; ) ...and don't EVEN pretend that i'm wrong here.
Another comment: It seems to be a language difference . . .Romantic love in some countries is translated to "lust" here.
It's very difficult to live up to American men's expectations (must be supermodel from Ivy League school)
You don't need to be a supermodel, or come from an ivy league school. You had better be the best you can be, continually working on and improving your health, fitness, both, "physical & financial", along with your relationships. You time will come.
:-)
Love is just another four letter profane word.
Sad but true. Love often has a dollar sign on it, at least for some girls. The truth will be revealed, boys, if you take your time. Remember Europe is socialistic, so if her, "daddy", can't provide, the state will. This changes the paradigm a bit.
sashafawn.... you are probably right from your point of view. But I can also tell you the (girls) who think they are womern but act like "girls"....talking the 18-to mid 20s sect...they too play games, bob and weave, deflect and put on acts.
Oh, I agree that many guys...go for the "fruit" with absolutely no intention of commitments, or developing any type of meaningful relationship. But I also see the "girls," not women, play their childish, flirty games....(look but don't touch)...and god help a young man who tries to make a move, putting on his best manners,...they are deemed as stalkers, creeps, weirdos.
Dunno...just seems like the games people play today are nothing like the days of the early 70s. I feel bad for the younger generation...everything has been made unnecessarily "over" complicated. And yes, you stated it correctly....Women-girls, or Men-boys....there's BIG difference.
I generally agree Beev, but it seems to me that men are attracted to those types. Oh, they say they want mature and capable etc., but they never date that type even when they are available. These girls, annoying as they are, are just providing what men (boys) ask for.
I was told by a girl in Saigon once that she loved me. In fact her very words were and I quote "Me love you long time."
Does she have a sister?
Don't know Guy. I think so, a lot of them, almost on every street corner.
You know, I once said to one of these women, "Does your mother know you're here?" and she said, "No, and it's a good thing, because this is her corner."
I thank you.... ;D
This whole study is woefully incomplete and one sided. How about a follow up to see how long the relationships last comparitively and how many of these initial romantic encounters lead to marriage and how long those marriages last?
It seems to me the entire thing is slanted to suggest that the European notion of love is a knee jerk reaction and thus far less substantial because it lacks the notion of friendship as a primary basis. It also seems to suggest that Europeans are jaded in their concept of love because they have the good sense to realize there is no such thing as the eternal honey moon. Seems to me they are far more realistic and are measuring intial romance by passion rather than expectation. It also appears to me that they see it for what it is and are happy with the excitment of new found love and are content to just enjoy it and see where it goes without attaching a list of guidelines to it to judge its potential longevity.
nav it costs 250 a month to get health care. if you're in the 18% of people with no employer provided healthcare. you can also sign up for medicaid and have the rest of the working population pay for your lack of ethic.
Again, please find an editor who can recognize when an adverb is needed and knows what an adverb is. Americans fall in love 'more slowly'.
Love may not be dead, but literacy is!
Again, MSNBC needs an editor who recognizes when an adverb is needed and know what one is! Americans fall in love "more slowly" is correct, not what the headline states.
Love may not be dead in America but literacy sure is!
How much did this invaluable, world changing study cost the American taxpayer?
Americans also want a new car ever couple of years when the ash trays fill up. Its all about barnyard Hollywood behavior in the U.S. as young people play mattress polo on the first date and move on to the next game. Why get married when you can get all of the benefits without making a commitment.
Getting hitched so that you can get laid is a poor reason for marriage.