that bacteria really has no culture.

The FDA actually had to ban EColi?

Nick, read the article carefully.

Ha! That's what I was thinking, economykiller! I didn't read the article, I just saw the headline and wondered how exactly one would ban bacteria from meat. Funny headline.

Ron Paul would say ... hey ... EColi has rights too ... and people die, why change the order of things. I only let the tax payers pay for my medical bills because I work for the gov., otherwise it would be wrong, and I would need to die too!

Word of Advice:

Never eat any ground meat at all, ever---how can all strains be detected?.

USDA sure has done a lousy job in the last few years of banning e-coli's.

How can meat eaters trust them now?

Does the e-coli come out of the meat, and say, "Here I am"?---

hawaii - growing up in the 60's my dad used to make us cannibal sandwiches.

Raw ground beef, raw eggs, raw onions and seasoned with salt and pepper. Yummy stuff, The bacteria back then naturally behaved themselves. I guess nowadays add some breadcrumbs and cook it as meat loaf would probably be more appropriate.

Why not make it illegal to have the "piss through the screen door screaming meemee bloody sh#ts?" That way you can have your bloody meat and eat it too! E Coli is an excellent weight loss program and it grows naturally. Hell, keep it legal and tax the sh#t out of it!

american:

Yes, ditto. I used to eat RAW hamburger meat, too--high quality beef--we knew nothing about "ecoli" in meat then. It was delicious. How about steak Tartare? Not ground.

What's happened?. The animals are now fed growth hormones to quickly produce--this may have something to do with it; or it is brought in from other countries (workers/sanitation?); I dunno know--or is it what the animals are being fed.

The USDA must have had stringent regulations then--this is a curious subject.

Thanks for the good comments; remember the "60's"!! Yes, indeed.

If this ban actually works.... why not ban it years ago... I also suggest banning HIV, AIDS, cancer, old age, and all the other bad stuff out there in the world... Hell, I ban death... yeah, eat that Death... go reap the other poor souls that don't live in a country where death is banned....

Big corporations want to be self regualting and we trust them to do the right thing? They will never do the right thing unless forced to by the government.

Listen up E-coli you are are now banned from making us sick....

...er.

If everyone treated every bit of hamburger like it was contaminated with E Coli (i.e., cook it thoroughly, wash hands after handling, avoid cross contamination), then there would be no worry about this stuff, at least not coming from hamburger (it could still sneak in elsewhere).

And a pet peeve on the subject of cross contamination... for the love of god people... all of you who place your raw chicken and hamburger on top of your loaded grocery cart, on top of raw veggies and fruis, and snacks and other things you might not be cooking, really need to take a class in microbiology or public health.

Love that!!!

mc dc, I totally agree about the raw meat packages near the fruits, veggies etc. I put my meat on the bottom shelf of the cart for just that reason. You still have to watch the baggers...the other day a bagger put my oozing pkg of ground beef in the SAME BAG with the vented cardboard container containing fried chicken that I got from the deli for dinner that evening. I had a fit. Don't they train these people???

What are they going to do, send them back to Mexico?

I never knew any e coli bacteria was acceptable. Now I know why I've probably gotten so sick from some food I've eaten. Thanks CDC, FDA and all the scientists who thought "some" e coli strains are OK.

Gaul Danged Gubmint always stickin' there nose where it don't belong. I have a constatooshunal right to eat ekoli or whatever else I danged well please.

Most grocery stores, or big Warehouses like Costcom have plastic bags in the Meat, Poultry, and Fish depts for customers---that is a good way to keep the leaking bags of blood from getting on to the veggies, and other items.

In another case, the Veggies could be contaminated by themselves. Why do we get sick from them?--Mexico, CA, Chile, and other parts of the World send us dirty food--

It is the grocery stores, and us that are responsible for washing everything we eat before it gets into our mouths--and that is not 100 per cent.

It's the luck of the draw not getting ill from store bought food--

Hawaii, good point. My grocery store only has the plastic bags by the veggies and fruits, but there's no reason one couldn't grab a few extra to take to the meat dept. The conveyor belt at the check out is also always wet with raw meat juice. It really is disgusting.

NEWS FLASH: we have certain strains in our body already! Actually they play a very important role.

Hate to break it to ya but we were all only partially free from most bacteria when we were in the womb. Once you pop out your first birthday gift is bacteria (usually the bad kind). Then we gradually develop our own little suckers that help us make Vit. K and actually protect us from other pathogens that try to hurt us.

Newborn babies are born without Vit. K...so they have to be supplemented with it. If they are not they WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CLOT THEIR BLOOD!

Just sayin'

Watch Food Inc'. It will give you a good basic understanding as to how we have managed to facilitate the development of so many new and very deadly strains of the same bacteria that we have in our own stomachs....pretty eye opening...

just sayin'

Don't worry about these poor buggers! Michele Bachmann will come to their rescue in a 'Wonder-woman' costume and make sure she bans the EPA and whatever other 'evil-axis-of-power' guvment-regulation is out to get them. Remember, whatever doesn't kill us, will only make us stronger! (in theory of evolution which confuses 'survival-of-the-luckiest' with 'FITTEST'. Of course Michele won't eat that mess herself, 'God' forbid!

This is why we cook meat. I doubt that the E-coli will pay attention to the ban. Give me the "tainted" meat, don't throw it away!

Today's headline on MSNBC:

BEIJING — Chinese authorities detained 32 people for making and selling tons of cooking oil dredged from gutters, the ministry of public security said Tuesday, in the latest food safety scandal to hit the country.Police confiscated more than 100 tons of the "gutter oil" — used cooking oil fished from drains behind restaurants — in a crackdown on a criminal network that operated in 14 provinces, the ministry said on its website

Yep, let's get rid of the FDA so we can continue the downward spiral to live like the Chinese.

avoid regulation through responsibility. I guess since nobody in this country takes responsibility for their own actions and has no common sense, we need more regulation. Sad.

pray tell, how more likely to cause death? a pencil, used as directed, does not cause death. ever. pro-choice activists? oh, that's right, a "pacifist" in Texas is a person that only carries one gun at a time, and only uses standard wad-cutter loads, not expanding heads or extra charge.

holy crap STexan your fricken retarded. I try not to call people names on these sights buy WOW, you take the cake. They're testing for forms of e-coli that can kill people. It's become more common than regular e-coli as far as showing up in food. To not test for it is completely irresponsible. Companies wont do that unless forced however because it might cost them a little money. I certainly hope the average texan has a little more common sense than you.

Are you saying you want these strains of E. coli in your meat?! Some E. coli are harmless strains, but these will give you the sh!ts at best.

Plus the tests for these strains will merely be a few more primers in the PCR they already run, so its not overly burdensome on industry. I say good riddance.

The test is positive for "The Big 6", if you have to start wiping your behind just below your hairline, and stop behind your knees. I asked my wife if she wanted "The Big 6" for supper and she hit me!

Oh , Come on Now! we can find common ground (couldn't resist) on this issue!!

We , simply inspect for dangerous E Coli in the blue states beef.

We leave the red states beef alone.

And beef that travels from a red state to a blue state, gets half of the inspection.

Who says the left and the Right can't find compromise :-)

Scar, I would totally agree with you, but with one exception: no transporting meat from red states to blue states, ever.

STexan, you are an embarassment. Google e. coli, learn how it attacks the young and old hardest, how it can cause lifelong disabilites, and death. It is caused by sh!t in your food. And you don't want meat with this contagion banned? Please don't let people know you are from Texas.

Scar I agree 100%...does that also mean that red state's tax money won't go to fund these "protect the public from their own stupidity" regulations?!! If so, I'd gladly cook my food and avoid paying for your lack of common sense.

YEAH, I have to put a (HUMOR) tag when posting. Too many people are just too .........

Guess the first line and the :-) didn't give you a clue. Unbelievable .

The "Big Six" hurts blowing out your rear!

Sirlafalot

Makes for some good reading while you are on the stool for 6 hrs...

Book em Dano! Hope your Big 6 is doing well.

Rog that Sirlafalot..

My response below..

E coli H7 is OK this year, but watch out next year Mr. Bacteria- the US government and the Prince of Darkness says you'll be in trouble. All you Jack in the Box fans can breathe a sigh of relief your tainted burgers will never taste so good.

Confused - apt name, you do know that EVERYTHING you buy, touch, see, smell, etc. has bacteria crawling all over it. That's why we wash our hands and cook our food. Google it, there's more bacterial DNA in and on your body than human DNA.

They will pay hefty fines if they don't.

In MicroBucks!

Oh hec no. Slap a burger or steak in front of me and I'm in heaven. To hell with e-coli.

Protein... and iron, zinc, Vitamin B12, selenium, phosphorous, niacin, riboflavin, Vitamin B6, folic acid, and Vitamins A, B, D and E.

Oh, and not all protein is the same. Meat supplies many essential amino acids.

I'm not saying you can't get these things without meat, but its a lot harder to do.

It's an healthy lifestyle choice for sure, but not everyone is ready to take that step. Most definitely, I am not. I'm practically a carnivore. How about the beef industry quits feeding cattle corn, which is incredibly unhealthy for them and causes them to be sicker and have far higher appearances of these e-coli in their gut. Grassfed cattle are healthier both for them and for us, also the idea of feeding an animal something that you know makes it sick is just cruel. Just because were going to eat them doesn't mean we have to be monsters about it.

Yes, you can get protein from other sources, but their are many different types of proteins. Not all are as beneficial in your diet as others.And humans have developed with the inclusion of animal and plant proteins in their diet.

If all beef cattle were grass fed, carnivores would make a huge stink. Beef would be much more expensive, less plentiful, and it tends to have less marbling (read: it can be less juicy depending on how it's cooked).

If you want REAL LEAN meat. You want beefaloe , or wild game . That's why if your hunting. Don't have the guy that burns sausages cook your food. Unless, you like eating something as tough as the soles of your shoes.

Rog that Tony!!!

The marbling is from fat caused by eating corn. Sure it tastes good--but so does lard. I wish we could keep our meat more natural--grass fed, as meant by nature. Maybe we wouldn't have that explosion of heart attacks in this country as we do.

Don't look now, but they're right below you... :)

OMG I looked..

"...promote the general welfare,..."

Generally agree with the tea party guys, but i would say that this would be covered by the constitution.

The Commerce Clause is probably more appropriate, unless someone wants to argue that meat doesn't get transported interstate.

KM-895280 : Umm, you know that could be interpreted in regards to other issues as well. A dangerous line for any Tea Party believer to know.

Us Non -Tea Party people, will not tell on you;-)

Not a tea party guy, but I agree with oversight on the food supply....being told what kind of light bulbs to buy, not so much

CFL is old tech now anyway. Like normal, the bills out of the government , are obsolete by the time they are agreed on.

Idiot! It's not about the bacteria listening. It's about the meat industry listening to the fact the you shouldn't be selling your product to unsuspecting customers if it's tainted with these bacteria.

It's amazing people like you have even enough since to know how to turn on your computer to post here.

There's also the option of you not listening, and maybe you can get all the bacteria laden meat you want for free. Have your medical insurance card on hand!

BrainCandy needs a sense-of-humor transplant as soon as possible !!

Something tells me BrainCandy is infected with a new strain of E-coli. It affects the mind first. Then slowly travels to the toes.

Well ha ha to your joke. You know how many like-minded comments here are from people being completely serious?

Is it necessary to call people names that don't agree with you? Some of them are just trying to be funny.

Instead of being afflicted with the "Big Six", I think BrainlessCandy may be burdened with the "Tiny Two's".

Seriously.

I asked my wife if she wanted to be affected with the Big 6 tonite. Her response, is that all you got...That hut my feelings..

When one encounters the Big Six, it may not seem that impressive at the onset. But as the voracity of the bug grows and mutates, it can turn into something only a real woman can handle! The Big Six can cause alot of abdominal pain after it has fully matured.

Now that's some deep S---t....

But remember what they say about the Tiny Two, it's not the size that counts. They are Tiny Terrors!

Of course, that's an overall average, you know. Not the same numbers you get if you look at rates of sickness during an outbreak. Please tell me you're not that stupid. You probably are, but just tell me so I can feel like the rate of ignorance isn't as high as it appears.

Corporate farms suck. The animals are overcrowded, fed the wrong diet, handled by corrupt meat inspecters,tortured by farm employees and reproduced into toxic foods that cost too much and is making society sick. They feed the poor animals toxic medicines that make them produce more food, they put toxins in processed frozen foods, they clean the factory with toxic chemicals, and they hire illegal aliens who could NOT pass a strict health examination handling the foods. Not many politicians are going to do anything because they profit from the bloated stock options and WANT you to die on social services because YOU don't have any money!

I think republicans believe that you should take the approach of personal responsibility. Take all of the meat you buy to a lab and pay to have it tested yourself.

I took my meat to a lab one time and nurse fainted.....Her response, now that's one big old Porterhouse!!

If you will just cook it to a proper temperature you will be fine.

I am a Restaurant Consultant and I am ServSafe Certified. If people will simply cook the food long enough and hot enough the Germs have no chance.

Here is a link to Proper Cooking Temps-

Get a meat thermometer, make sure it's calibrated right, use the chart and you should not get sick from your food.

And stop cross contaminating food.

I think you are a brain dead moron corrupt politician trying to find someone to even try to like you here...too bad for you because every body knows that even though you got money, you still have to pay for gay sex and you are SO lonely because everybody probably HATES you!

There's bacteria on everything around you. You can't eradicate all bacteria. If you tried to wipe out all life on Earth, bacteria would survive. You can however safeguard against bacteria that are most prone to cause sickness and death.

You can however safeguard against bacteria that are most prone to cause sickness and death.

Aaaaand, wouldn't E.Coli in ANY form qualify as a bacteria that is "most prone to cause sickness and death"? Is there such a thing as a safe strain of E.Coli that I could happily sprinkle on my granola and enjoy with no ill effects whatsoever?

bonos_rama makes a great point - if only these certain strains of E.Coli fall under this ban, it means by definition that other strains of the same family of bacteria DON'T fall under the ban. In other words, you're still getting cow poopies in your food, but it's a cleaner form of cow poopies. Yuck.

yes there are safe strains of E. Coli

E. Coli is naturally occurring. It lives in the intestine of every living animal, including humans. If you didn't have certain forms of bacteria living inside of you, you would die. We have a symbiotic relationship with many microscopic organisms.

Edward and Farmer are correct. The problem comes from poor sanitation in meat processing facilities. And also from high density feed lots, where cows are knee deep in feces (no joke), and they are covered with poo when they go to slaughter. When the outside of your animals are covered in feces, you can bet there will be contamination in the meat.

heh heh, meatpackers, hehe

Does that affect the fudge packers in SF???

That's a different factory. Not far from the Veggie Packers

hey, trickle-down! trickle-down! if you're not big and rich like us, you get trickled-on!

K(lost)oniann, is everything a political issue????

Your post is a little wacko........ and credibility, search yourself first.

life it too short to spend it on hate and anger, don't want you to blow a "gasket".

?????????????????? "anger, hate"????? I don't know where you got that.

You bet. This is just more government interference in the private market place like Ron Paul has been warning us about.

Ron Paul would tell us that in a purely capitalist society people who got sick or died from tainted meat would next time choose not to buy meat at that supermarket or eat at that restaurant (as if one could know which meal the bacteria came from), and the "magic hand" or is it "invisible hand" of the market would do something, maybe strike the Fear Of God into businesses so they never sell bad meat again.

And this extra regulation has to be paid for by everyone who buys meat. This law makes individuals pay more to protect someone they don't know from getting sick, is that fair? It sounds just like Universal Healthcare doesn't it? Oh gosh, Obama conspiracy theorists run to your keyboards! Sound the alert to stop a government takeover of our kitchens!

@Garrick S Right On!

Americans will gladly pay more for safer food, right????

No kiddin' Jeff. If they wanted to do us a favor, they would put a few tapeworm eggs in every pound of ground round. What American obesity problem?

that's why everyone should "wash after you wipe", you are so correct, we all have bacteria in our digestive tract.

Amswink, You are absolutely right, there should be NO E. coli of any strain in any meat! If proper procedures are followed, there is no contamination of meat with the contents of the animals' (or peoples') colon. But that requires very careful handling of all parts of the animals and people and adds to cost. SO, in the absence of regulations and enforcement, no telling what is in the meat. The reason ground meat is such a problem is that there is a lot of surface area potentially exposed to the bacteria AND it is stored for a relatively long time, giving the bacteria ample opportunity to multiply AND this ground meat is often not cooked thoroughly, so we are exposed. YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!

Amswink

Thank you for that tid bit of info. Not eating any human intestines ever again...I swear..

Not all ecoli are the same; some are normally found in human intestines, but the ones that cause disease are alien and introduced in contaminated food.

Thats because it is run and operated by a bunch of lowlife scumbags.

I guess I'm under-evolved. I refuse to eat a fully cooked steak.

It is because we cook our meat that we have not evolved sufficiently to survive raw meat. In order for evolution to be effective in insuring that humans are immune from ecoli and other raw meat bacteria contamination, most of the population would have to die from eating contaminated raw meat before coming of reproductive age over several generations. Be thankful for government regulations because the nose test is not sufficiently precise to prevent the death of our children.

Haha, you are surrounded by meat! How you feel now, vegie?

:( I stand my ground. and to the poster who rattled off all the proteins and vitamins/minerals u get from your meat--drink a can of ensure. u get the same thing.

Well, you can't exactly slaughter them if they're dead. That's what slaughtering is. Would you be happier if we chased down cows in the field and ripped them apart with our hands?

Humans are omnivores. No one gets mad at a lion eating a zebra or a gazelle. At least we do our slaughtering in mostly-sterile environments with instruments that cause much less pain than teeth and claws.

are u talking to me SabreDC, no. I'd be happy if you left them the hell alone

"slaughtering in mostly-sterile environments with instruments that cause much less pain than teeth and claws." omg, how old r u. yeah, mostly-sterile, yepo!!!

SabreDC

Well, you can't exactly slaughter them if they're dead. That's what slaughtering is. Would you be happier if we chased down cows in the field and ripped them apart with our hands?

Humans are omnivores. No one gets mad at a lion eating a zebra or a gazelle. At least we do our slaughtering in mostly-sterile environments with instruments that cause much less pain than teeth and claws.

Really? Have you ever observed operations on a kill-floor? Mostly-sterile environments? Now I know you've never even been in a meat-packing facility. Ever watch them make hamburger? The scrap meat is shoveled into an auger. Any meat that falls out get's shoveled up off the floor and back into the auger...and some of that meat's been hanging around for a few days. By the way, do you know where the E. Coli comes from? Intestines. Now how exactly would contents of intestine get into the meat...in many cases...it is the meat!

By the way, the "instruments" used to kill aren't really "instruments"...more like small jack-hammers...and definitely not sterile!

SabreDC: May surprise some people . But , animals most people consider carnivores are actually omnivores (Fox for example) . And animals most people consider herbivores, can and do kill and eat meat (wild hog as and example).

I'm gonna beat my meat from now on and not my vegies...I've turned a corner...

Really? Have you ever observed operations on a kill-floor? Mostly-sterile environments? Now I know you've never even been in a meat-packing facility. Ever watch them make hamburger? The scrap meat is shoveled into an auger. Any meat that falls out get's shoveled up off the floor and back into the auger...and some of that meat's been hanging around for a few days. By the way, do you know where the E. Coli comes from? Intestines. Now how exactly would contents of intestine get into the meat...in many cases...it is the meat!

By the way, the "instruments" used to kill aren't really "instruments"...more like small jack-hammers...and definitely not sterile!

I spent 10 years of my life as a butcher. Just because places you've been to are disgusting doesn't make the entire industry disgusting.

are u talking to me SabreDC, no. I'd be happy if you left them the hell alone

"slaughtering in mostly-sterile environments with instruments that cause much less pain than teeth and claws." omg, how old r u. yeah, mostly-sterile, yepo!!!

Funny, the person who types "u", "omg", "r", "u" is asking me how old I am. Perhaps you should retype your post in English if you want to be taken seriously.

Please read Upton Sinclair " The Jungle". Very little has changed since then adn it has gotten worse!

yeah most places that butcher animals aren't as disgusting as some vegans have them out to be...

If you live ina city like Chicago or New York, yeah you are eating crappy meat, I won't lie there, sucks to be you guys... even the best steak in New York tastes kind of crappy to me. I don't understand how they can eat that crap.

Luckily for me I live in the midwest, where I can choose between factory meat, and local meat... and I always choose local.

As George Foreman said when hit below the belt, "It's tender down there"

lol yeah tony, you might might hate this statistic.. but what I can buy for about 10 dollars in Iowa sells for about 80 in new york city, plus what I buy is fresh and never been frozen... and is higher quality.

The tobacco industry is even worse. The pesticides that they use for cutworms is made and distributed by Muslim terrorists who are killing the smokers because of deals cut to get rid of less desireable people adn the rivers are full of the fungal radiation that they give off. The EPA MUST BE TAKEN OVER BY REPUBLICAN TEA PARTY EXPRESS!!!!!

also I might add that tobacco is a diploid genetically modifiable plant species and these fungal pesticides are killing people with fungal infections that cause sleep apnea, kill the immune system similar to AIDS and NO doctor no matter what insurance you have will help you with a fix because they are bribed to let you die, so as long as they get paid to see you. The fungal problems in the Ohio River from tobacco farming are causing pandemic infection rates because of diploid plant manipulation, very poor water treatment, dual income political campaigns and a government that WANTS to do business with terrorists to get their money!

Hey Tim,

I guess it just depends on your tolerance of E-Coli???