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Let businesses regulate themselves. Nothing bad will happen.
And this is why we trust and rely on those good old free enterprise types instead of that nasty old regulatory government.
Can you possibly imagine how many people would die in this country if industry were totally non-regulated. The number is staggering if you can judge by the number that have already died due to commercial greed.
Deregulate everything and soon there would be no jobs shortage crisis, just a shortage of people to fill the jobs due to acute death syndrome.
What about the 'sterile' gauze that is made in China? How do we know if that is safe to be stuffing in our wounds, anyone?
I only ask because Made in China is all I can find in my drug stores and it REALLY bothers me.
We don't!
Deregulation will fix this. ROFL
Time for Bar Codes on recalls....been a 2 year campaign and you can read more here...
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2011/07/recalled-wipes-from-triad-still-out.html
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/p/healthcare-bar-code-posts.html
Dumb question: if an alcohol anti-bacterial wipe fails to kill bacteria soaking in it for weeks if not months, then how effective can it be at killing bacteria in a few seconds on the skin of the user? Am I missing something here?
Alcohol is NOT an effective agent for killing bacteria. What it is good at is washing away dirt and bugs, and that's what alcohol wipes are meant to do. All those millions of bottles of alcohol based hand sanitizer that people have purchased over the years just move around the bacteria on your hands.
Actually alcohol can kill bacteria by interfering with their membranes. It depends mostly on if it's gram negative or gram positive (what type of membranes it has). Alcohol can break apart the phospholipids of the membrane causing a lysis of the cell. Soap moves around bacteria without killing it.
Glad to see the inclusion that the REGULATORS known as the FDA has determined they have nothing to charge Triad group with.
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/130000163.html
Who's LOL' ing now? Are you now prepared to recompense the company for shutting their doors without evidence?
Boy, those regulators ARE worth it aren't they?
LOL indeed.
So if there were no regulations the rate of occurrence of defective products would go down?
I work for a pharmaceutical manufacturer and although we would do everything in our power to avoid issues the regulations push us even further.
Our clients also audit us against the FDA regulations regularly. If there was no regulating agency they would have no criteria upon which to audit us. There's no such thing as, "just do the right thing". The regulations are stringent beyond your wildest imagination.
The root cause of this defective product will be identified and new regulations will be implemented to avoid them in the future, for all manufacturers.
NewStart is right, and really FDA does a great job in extremely difficult circumstances. Of course, being anti-regulatory, you'll be happy to let us know which country has an unregulated drug and device agency that does a better job than FDA. Don't be a tool.
i believe they exist as spores, and are resistant to a wide range of extreme conditions, including drying, high temperatures, etc. they encapsulate themselves inside this hard protective capsule and within the right temperatures they can shed this and replicate.
These lawsuits being flung around and pointing fingers everywhere reminds me of a famous comedy routine done splendidly by Bud Abbott and Lou Costello..."who's on first base"?
I still need to understand how Bacteria survives on an Alcohol wipe??????????????? Isn't the entire concept of Alcohol wipes to kill Bacteria?????? That's like saying the fire was put out by gasoline!!!!
There are several variaties of bacteria that can live in highly alkaline or highly acidic environments. Bacteria did not evolve to thrive in a neutral Ph only. As a topical application, alcohol helps fend off microbes that could enter the skin before surgery or the application of a bandage. This particular bacteria (Bacillus cereus)can live in alcohol, which makes it a rather nasty infection if it gets into your bloodstream.
http://www.alcoholwipes.org/
The alcohol wipes are more than likely just intoxicating the resistant bacteria strains making for killer microbes on a drunken rampage. :(
Isn't this really making you feel safe when buying health products? Makes me wonder about going to the doctor and they use those wipes,
Really, the surface bacteria wiped away before a shot are not likely to cause real problems 99.99% of the time; it's the anaerobic bacteria that are going to kill you, and an alcohol wipe doesn't even reach them.
Alcohol pads are used for cleaning the skin of dirt and debris prior to injection, it does not sterlize the skin.
Betadine is an antiseptic (an antimicrobial substance that is applied to living tissue/skin to reduce the possibility of infection) for surgical prep and skin disinfection, but leaves ugly brown stains when used and is difficult to remove. Betadine is available in the same size and packaging as alcohol wipes.
If you are truly concerned, I would highly recommend the use of Betadine.
And the winner of this years truth in advertising award is ...
I hate it when there's taint in my wipes.
Well....I would love to know some lot numbers, package descriptions, etc. of the items being recalled.
I have to give my son a shot every night. I am supplied with a alcohol prep wipes as well as disposable needles. I know the chance of infection is extremely low, BUT I don't pretend to assume anything is safe anymore.
Can anyone help with this info?
Thank you.
http://www.newsinferno.com/defective-medical-devices/new-york-firm-recalls-wipes-for-bacterial-contamination/
Thank you! My son uses Kendall Webcol manufactured by Tyco Healthcare Group. Hopefully, their supplier is more conscientious about their product and distribution.
Where is your link to the actual FDA warning listing the names of all the alcohol wipes? Shoddy reporting. No excuse.
There is nothing at all on FDA,gov so what are you talking about?
Equate brand is in all Wal-Marts, this is a far reaching recall!
I think we can fix this problem by giving corporate CEO's a nice bonus, what do you think?
personally,never had any problems with hand wipes,carry them in the car,the packets you get in restaurants,etc...cut my hand the other day and used these wipes after bleeding stopped.no problems.as far as wal-marts,everything in the store has china somewhere on the package.I don't knowingly use anything from china if I can help it.
Oh yeah,except this laptop I'm using rite now
A link to the wipes being recalled would have been REALLY nice!
Dammit can't the government leave us alone? so a few people get sick and some die that's the price we pay to live in a free country. We need Ron Paul running this country he will take care of this, he will abolish every federal regulatory agency and we wont have problems like this! You roll the dice and take your chances, that is the America we need!
Alcohol does not sterilize skin; it does kill certain bacteria if it's used properly, but I've very rarely even seen nurses and doctors use alcohol pledgets as we're instructed by manufacturers. Most of the time, that's not a problem. Enough bacteria are killed or removed to drastically reduce the chances of infection during normal usage. I did find a link for the recalled contaminated products:
In the case of someone who's immunosuppressed and needs to have extra care taken to prevent an infection, there are other preparations available that are more effective than alcohol alone. In that case, you can ask your doctor or pharmacist about chlorhexadine, Betadine, or even Duraprep (depending on the antiseptic's intended use). All of those have their pros and cons, so they may not be a good choice for you or your family member, but your doctor will be able to help you determine if either of them could possibly be a better choice than alcohol.