Although, as she pointed out she felt ugly and isolated. When no one else seems to want you, sometimes it is easy to convince yourself that this must be the only thing you are good enough for. Especially when you have suffered a crushing blow to your self-esteem.
I hope she gets her life back on track and has a better sense of self after the cosmetic work she received. (He beat her again? Wow. I'll bet she didn't see THAT coming.) Glad she is out of the relationship and I hope he is roasting over a large, hot flame right now.
The great smile will help. But due to her lack of confidence, she is now blind in one eye. It sounds like she also needs counseling to get over her addiction to bums.
BTW, the article did not say what happened to her abuser. I hope is is put away for good. If not, she would probably be tempted to take him back because he is "so sorry".
The article said that she was ashamed and didn't smile. She's grinning in the "before" photo as though she had just won the lottery. Oh, wait...she DID just win the lottery. I wonder how many kids she has who are aware that she was abused. Little boys will emulate this behavior later and little girls grow up thinking that it is ok to be beaten by their man/men.
What is up with all the victim blaming? The only person responsible for abuse is the abuser. Comments like these are what keeps abuse victims in isolation.
No one's blaming her for the entire scenario, but she does have some fault in this because she took back someone who seriously abused her. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
If she hadn't taken him back, she'd have gotten dental work AND she would still have both eyes.
And any kids around will be strongly influenced by what they've seen growing up.
I did not assume she had children; I wondered how many children she has. Zero could be the number. (And how is that insensitive to ask if a woman her age has children??) She 'won the lottery' by having her teeth fixed at no cost to her. My dental issues cost thousands of dollars to fix and I paid for it myself, as other posters on here have.
Don't worry Lizzie we all realize that you're a bigot.Where in this article are children even mentioned? Are you trying to say that all abused Black women have a bunch of kids? Does the same apply to abused white women?It's people like you who go around assuming things that cause misunderstandings and confusion.
There's a lot of jumping to conclusions about Lizzie63's post. The sad reality is that children exposed to abuse emulate the behavior - either as abusers or victims. When you hear of chronic abuse, the first thing that comes to mind is, "Are there any children involved?" - for that exact reason.
She never suggested that battered women were more likely to have children or even lots of children, or to be black. Since the vast majority of women of all races and situations DO have children, there's nothing inherently insulting about it. Must we rush to label someone as racist or bigot when they dare to bring up points the article didn't address?
What a great program.....may the woman featured be hired for a job.
The article said that she was ashamed and didn't smile. She's grinning in the "before" photo as though she had just won the lottery. Oh, wait...she DID just win the lottery
My 1st throught about the photo on the left could have been taken by the program as her "before" photo. There's a dentist in my area who does before & after photos as part of his advertising.
Many people who are abused for long enough are no longer able to tell reality from what the abuser's made them believe. They literally no longer see themselves as being lovable, having worth, or anything like that.
It makes no sense to those who haven't been abused. But if abusers started hitting right from the start instead of spending a long time manipulating and breaking their partner down, that person would probably leave much, much sooner.
Anyway, the longer the abuse, the more distorted your worldview becomes.
I'm so glad that you escaped the DV situation that you were in. People who have not studied this problem have no clue how difficult it is for an abused women to overcome the obstacles that abuse puts into their paths.
Don't worry Lizzie we all realize that you're a bigot.Where in this article are children even mentioned? Are you trying to say that all abused Black women have a bunch of kids?
"She 'won the lottery' by having her teeth fixed at no cost to her. My dental issues cost thousands of dollars to fix and I paid for it myself, as other posters on here have."
Why not just be happy that she got help? There's an underlying feeling of resentment in your posts. I'll never understand people who are upset at the good fortune of others.
It's nice to know that there's a program out there to help battered and abused victims regain some self-confidence. The face (mainly eyes, nose, mouth) are what people first see and make a connection to, so it's important to have a clean, neat appearance. She not only looks healthier, but is giving off a vibe of joy... I'm happy for her! Hopefully along with some counselling, these people can restore some balance and positivity to their lives with their new smiles!
So true. I'm sure that the smoke is coming out of their ears as we type. Helping others who are in need is totally against everything that they are taught and believe.
LOL Leave it to a couple of true morons to take a story about abused women and turn it into a political bash-fest.
All because people who do well for themselves don't want to give you open acess to their bank accounts.
And no, I am not a republican, conservative, or member of the 'right'.
(stating this to avoid the knee jerk reaction of morons to automatically assume someone who despises democrats/socialists must be affiliated with the opposing party)
Beautiful story. She looks beautiful and I am sure it reflects in her spirit to survive and move past the ugly stigma of domestic violence. Smile lady, smile.
No one knows how difficult it is to leave an abuser or to repair your self esteem until you have walked in the shoes of the abused. I am thrilled that this lady has a new lease on life. Thank you to those who were willing to donate their time and talent to help others. She is beautiful!
E Hall--Thank you for your kind comment--NO ONE knows.
I am so tired of hearing how people can judge someone who is in this situation. They have no idea what hell it is and how difficult it is to leave.
As for the lady who continues to say "she won the lottery" because there was a program set up for just this type of service. BULLSH!T!! I suppose that this is socialism to you. Yet -- you all trype on about how individuals are supposed to look for help from just such types instead of the government! FU@K I am getting tired of the "talking out of both sides of their mouths!!!"
She did "win the lottery" so to speak, and good for her!
As for not understanding how hard it is to leave an abuser, I must say, I really don't get it. Just from a pain perspective. You'd have to have some serious pain tolerance to live with physical abuse. I couldn't do it. I'd be running out of there if he so much as made me stub my toe!
Just because people don't want medical and other services coming out of tax monies, does not mean they oppose private charities. Most conservatives actually strongly support many private efforts to help others. Let's leave the phony hateful politics out of this and rejoice that this lady has had her smile restored. This has nothing to do with politics, left or right, it has to do with simply helping women in very difficult situations put their lives back together. I'm sure the dentists participating in this are doing it out of caring and compassion, and their politics have absolutely nothing to do with this.
It is a shame that the first time she was free of her abuser, when he was sent to jail, that she did not get the help she needed, emotional and physical, that would have given her the strength to stay away from her abuser when he got out.
What a wonderful story and what a fantastic program. Thanks to all the providers that are giving of their time and money to help those in need. Contrary to many opinions it is very difficult for some to extract themselves from an abusive relationship and it has nothing to do with intelligence, more of a confidence and self esteem issue. I wish her the best in her future.
Crap! Trying to report Billy the Wuss and accidentally voted....can we undo a vote???
On a different note, I am so happy to read about people doing something good to help one another. I wish for her and all of the other victims that this group has helped to find their peace and renewed self esteem.
I've seen how hard it can be to leave an abuser especially the psychos that track you down. I'm very happy for this woman I hope she's on a good path now.
What a fantastic program!! As a survivor of domestic violence, even though I got out as quickly as I could, I left with a mouthful of damage. It took eight years for me to get to a position financially to be able to fix it. Even though these teeth aren't the ones I was born with, I smile often and proudly -- something that for quite a while I was convinced I would never do. God bless all the ones responsible for this charity!
I do have to ask... out of genuine curiosity. Why didn't you sue the guy? Was he without assets? I mean, if you could even extract a little out of him (and I would think you are certainly entitled), that could have alleviated the financial burden on yourself, or the wait time. Wouldn't it?
JLM when you finally get out of an abusive relationship you just want OUT, especially if they're one of those that will try to hunt you down, a lot of times women have to move away and go into hiding to stay safe.
Even winning a lawsuit (presuming you can afford to hire an attorney and pay court filing fees) does not guarantee a payout. 10 years ago family law lawyers wouldn't even take a case without a $3500 retainer. It's more like $5k now.
Even then, going bankrupt earning a ruling can't force anyone to actually pay, and the courts and police won't or can't enforce it. I know.
It is great that she got some help. Now if her charming boyfriend will just come to Texas we will help him as well. Sure hope he doesn't try to steal a pick-up with a short length of chain.
What an amazing program. I am so happy for her. Getting your smile back feels like you have the world by the tail. I spent 10 years behind my hand with broken teeth....not smiling where anyone could see....never, ever laughing out loud. It is wonderful that this program is in place now. Kudos!
Well, Rick Cain4150, you don't have to go to a bar to get an abuser! They come in all shapes and sizes and class levels. They can be in your church, PTA, etc. They don't all have to be drunk either. Some of them are just plain evil and get a real kick out of abusing.
I met my husband in a bar and he is wonderful. I don't think where you meet your spouse has all that much to do with the kind of person they are. Unless you meet them while they are dealing crack on a corner. That might give you a hint.
It's a great idea, but take it one step further. How about the courts making the convicted abuser pay back the program for the costs by garnishing their wages? If they refuse to pay put them back in jail. Guys like the one in this story are habitual offenders, better in jail than abusing someone else.
I agree with you. But first of all, I would like to see damages to be paid to this lady. She is completely blind in one eye. That means she has no depth perception for the rest of her life. She also has artificial teeth and went through great suffering (emotional and physical). After she receives adequate compensation - THEN he should be required to compensate the charity.
That's what I was wondering. Perhaps it's that pesky dichotomy that such people either have too little money/assets to be worth suing, or have so much that they can afford a formidable defense.
Now let me see: Female tries to make a life with a man that (I can assure you) nearly everyone that knew her tried to warn her was no good, but she insisted they were all wrong about him. He soon begins to beat her. She kicks him out, but soon takes him back. He beats her harder and more frequently, and she takes him back time & time again. Finally, he has beaten her and left his mark on her in the form of scars, misshapen facial features and broken/missing teeth. Now she feels she HAS to stay with him because by now she feels she’s too ugly for any other man to want. Now where have I heard this story before? Oh yeah…I know…from the many weak women that were either personal family members or family members of close friends. Not blaming the victim, but after you’ve heard the same story so many times, your ability to feel sympathy for women like these diminishes a bit. One thing for sure, if he’s still free (i.e., not in JAIL), he will try to get back with her. And she will LET him.
he will try to get back with her. And she will LET him.
While this is true way too often, it does not always happen. I was in a very violent relationship for 8 years until I finally put him out for the last time. Luckily I met a very wonderful and loving man that I have been with for 22 years and who has not ever hit or mentally abused me. He is loving and kind and raised my children from 4 and 2 like they were his own. Hopefully more people will find the strength they need to leave an abuser permanently.
I certainly hope you never find yourself in a position like this woman. Obviously you are a man and clearly have no sympathy for others. What makes you think anyone warned her about anything? You say you don't blame the victim, but in your post you blame this woman and all other women who have been subjected to domestic violence. You hearing this story over and over should make you angry at the abuser and want to do something about it, change the way things are, not sit back and blame the victim. If you were the victim of a crime, would it be your fault??
It's like this: I know that the story said nothing about her being warned by other; that was part of my own observation of women like her (and I clearly stated so. Try to keep up). In almost every case I can think of, everyone could see that the man was no good, but the "victim" refused to see it or refused to listen. Next, I can tell YOU'VE never had to deal with people like this woman or you would understand what I was trying to say. Sure, you feel bad for the woman, but after awhile you get to a point of sympathy burnout. I mean if a person gets hit by a truck once you feel for them. Twice, you tell them to please be more careful. But after awhile you come to realize that it's not the trucks...the problem is with this person who for some reason keeps jumping in front of them.
I have known women who seemed to be in the habit of, "jumping in front trucks" as you put it, and I have known those who would drop the equivalent of a 4 ton load of burning steel on any truck that they even looked like they were thinking about hitting them again.....to use your analogy.
Some of them have been the same woman at different times in her life. Women are different than men, to expect them to think or to act like a man does in relationships is silly.
Not all women are the same, however that is hard to tell from your posts. Perhaps you are missing that it's often the best qualities of women that are turned against them by the abuser, and no, those qualities do not include masochism.
You cannot even see the misogyny in your posts. Trust me, others can.
I have to agree with jbird. It's hard to sympathize with victims who keep choosing the abuser, especially when they reject your help in a desperate bid to get affirmation from their abusers. It is as if they hope to say, "Suzie thinks I should leave you, and offered me a place to stay, but I turned her down because I pick YOU. So don't you just LOVE me all the more now?"
I had a friend do that. She just kept throwing me to the wolves, so to speak, because she thought she'd impress him by standing up to her (ex) best friend who disapproved of him. Ten years later, she's still supporting him, with nothing to show for it but bruises. She tried to "hide" his behavior from everyone, making up dumb scenarios to explain the injuries, and even insisting that ALL her other friends and family liked him. (I discovered this when her mom finally confronted me and asked why I thought so highly of this guy. I said I didn't, and once the cat was out of the bag, the rest of us quickly untangled the lies.)
Everyone wants to be loved, we never asked to be abused. Anyone can make a mistake that's for sure. I've seen many incidences where a relationship was peachy until the marriage certificate. Lots of men seem to think that gives them a license to do whatever they want to a person. Some people shouldn't own dogs, let alone indulged in the delusion that they "own" women. For the "modern day" this country really fell short in teaching the menfolk how to be human beings.
The "delusion" that men own women by dint of a marriage certificate isn't perpetrated by individuals, but by religious idealism. With the exception of some Far Eastern sects, ALL major religions of the world say that the woman is property of the man once they are married.
I've never understood why the GLBTQ community is so hot to get married when the institution of marriage is so fv<ked.
Look, Scrooge is out and opining and it isn't even Christmas.
But to answer your question, I bet she's cost the taxpayers a lot less than corporations who ship jobs overseas or collect massive tax breaks if they don't.
taxed, I am also a taxpayer, and I say it's a pathetic comment on this country that she could not go to a TAXPAYER FUNDED dental clinic immediately. Or one of those "Christian" dentists......I'm sure they are out there in thousands.....they are just hard to find when you really need help.
I know that there is no combination of words or phrases that could even begin to make you see just how selfish, unkind, uncharitable, and mean your post is....but trust me TAXED, it is all of those things.
Funny how so many who would agree with you on this are evangelicals, because it's also a stark diametrically opposed position to the "Golden Rule" and to the One it was written by.
What we are seeing in this country is nothing short of the alignment of good and evil. I see prophecy coming true before my eyes and I'm not a Christian.
Well as a taxpayer, I don't know how much it cost to fix her smie. But it was worth every penny!!! I for one don't mind paying more in taxes if it legitimately went to helping others and being invested into our communities and not just to line the already fat pockets of politicians.....I love this story, I wish her the best of luck and continued happiness and healing.
Hey Lizzie--(now I know why I changed my name to Bethany)
Guessing you are one of those "dont ask the government for help" get it on your own type of people. Yet - when someone does exactly that like in the article you have nasty bigotted comments.
Bethany, What exactly did she do on her own??? And to which of my comments are you responding? Which comment was bigoted? Actually, don't bother to answer because I don't care what you think. I'm laughing at your attack on my name, however. Dork.
One is the Golden Rule, that one should do unto others as one would want others to do unto them. I believe that one is attributed to Jesus.
The other golden rule, aka he who has the most gold makes the rules, is not what I was referring to. As obvious as I thought that was, some people missed it. Who came up with that one? Ask Lizzie I guess.
So Lizzie, tell us who it was that issued the Golden Rule.
I met my abuser at a church function. He was upper middle class, white, well-educated. He was everything a girl was supposed to look for, and he was evil. I left quickly, but I was stalked, threatened, and left damaged.
Years later, I met my husband at the grocery store. His background was checkered, and if I had gone on that alone, I would have missed out on my happily ever after. He is a wonderful man, and I am lucky to be his wife.
Be careful that you don't paint everyone with too broad a brush. There are always exceptions.
Like you, I similarly met the "everything" guy. It took awhile to realize that the manipulations of "I'm sorry, but it was your fault" and the family "duty" to be a good wife and not a dissapointment, and the "marriage is hard" speeches, andyes, I admit, I should have left long before I did.
Like you, I now have a better life. I hope one day this type of story, behavior, and discussion will be a permanent thing of the past. The best to you, Teach, nancyp, Oh-Pa-leaze, and the rest who are willing to share their strength and their stories.
Your comments are out of line. Abused women often want to leave their abuser but are often afraid of what the abuser might do if they DO leave. It has nothing to do with a woman being weak. Most abused women have no self-esteem left because their abuser brainwashes them into thinking that he is the only one who will have her because she is such a flawed person. Abuse is a horrible mind-game perpetrated by control freaks who, because they can't control themselves, have to control someone else to prove how tough they are. Blaming the victim is lame!
Craig, I stated that i was not blaming the victim. I was only making the statement that, based upon personal observation, some people cannot be helped. Women that continually go back to men that take out their frustrations with the world on them TOP that list. You sympathize greatly at first. You provide financial help, you give them a place to stay, you do whatever you can to get them on their feet. And when they do start to get things together, Mr. Bully-Boy shows up again and she takes him back, with predictable results. Then it starts over again. And, YES, after you've seen the same scenerio a few times you come to realize that some women are simply "broken". And you're not as eager to invest time, money and resources trying to help them anymore knowing it will all be wasted when she inevitably goes back to her abuser or someone new, but just as bad.
jbird you are correct. There are those who cannot be helped. They can't be helped until they want to be helped.
That is not meant in a bad way. That is just how it is. Women like these are broken. A lot of them do eventually come around but it can be a long, painful, wait for family members who start to feel both helpless to get them out and frustrated when every effort to help turns out to be futile because she goes back.
It is hard to understand what is going on inside an abused woman's mind when she continues to go back and no one can really get it unless they have been there. But it is wrong to disregard how families and friends feel when they too suffer because they have to watch the person they love repeat this process.
I can totally understand where jbird is coming from. I have been on both sides of this.
As I understand, the average abused woman returns to her abuser four times. Leaving takes a lot of preparation: Emotional, financial, practical. The good news is that on average, after four false attempts, more than half succeed in getting on with their lives.
Many women do not leave their abusers because of financial control, fear, destroyed self-esteem, and worst of all, fear the abuser will try for and get custody of the children, or even the very believable threat that he will kidnap the kids if he doesn't get custody. Remember, abusers do not usually appear as abusers to everyone else, just their wife/girlfriend and children. Women often find themselves in a position of no one believing them until severe physical injury occurs.
Hopefully she'll get enough self esteem to think being alone is better than allowing herself to become a punching bag.
I do have to kind of wonder about her employer. Why doesn't she have dental insurance? I read something yesterday that 1/3 of Americans don't have dental coverage. I have never been offered dental in any of the jobs I've had over my 30+ years of working. I think it's far more than 1/3 without insurance. If this woman was working full time for an employer, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE that that employer doesn't pay a living wage that includes enough to put a roof over her head, food on the table, clothes on her back and MEDICAL (which would include eyes and dental).
Well, by considering all the perks you are assuming, the employer has just increased the "cost" of that employee by approximately $6,000/year. The additional $6,000 may just cause the employer to decide he/she cannot afford an additional employee, thus one job down the drain.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but there are two sides to the issue.
"perks" are the wrong way of looking at things. These need to be considered necessities.
Unfortunately, the whole financial structure of this nation has been so muddled up, it's going to take some pretty radical legislation to correct it. I believe that it can be done, but at this point, I'm afraid there's going to need to be bloodshed before we'll be able to swing things back around.
People did you read the story -- she is unemployed and was looking for employment when she came across a program that would be happy to help her with out judging her--something from the sounds of it you two cant do!!!
BethanyB - Before you to throwing accusations that I can't read did you read the part were this happened more than a decade ago? Has she been out of work this long?
No--she has had the "stigma" this long--and I can almost guarantee she has had low paying minimum wage jobs during this time 'cuz employers tend to "look down" upon unattractive women. I know 'cuz I had the same "stigma" for 13 years -- up until I got the help I needed and now will smile and have more self - esteem.
Sometimes I wish things would be a perfect as some of these commentors would like - but - reality is NOT. Judging people because of a "hard life" is really unchristian!
Bethany, I'm sorry to hear your plight but if that's what you thought i said in my message, you definitely misjudged my statement. I don't care if you're cleaning bathrooms, a checker at walmart, a ditch digger or a strawberry picker, if you do the time, you should be getting paid a living wage for it. And if this woman (or you for that matter) would have been treated fairly, she would have been able to get her mouth fixed a long time ago.
As for mistaking you comment as judgement - I apologize. However--Dental work is not cheap and very few employers offer it at any price. I at least had a "flipper" (temporary tooth to last 3 weeks) However, could not afford the final fix. Only after I married a wonderful man did I have the $$ to cover replacing the tooth.
And really -- employers DO look down on unattractive women. No matter where you are from.
Actually, most employers' dental plans have pre-existing condition restrictions, just as health plans. In addition, they have annual coverage caps, sometimes as low as $1200 -- meaning any costs over that amount -- no matter what the service is -- is out of your pocket. So even if she had worked for an employer that provided dental insurance, having $6000 worth of repair work done probably would not have been covered by the plan.
Susan is right. Dental insurers call it a "missing tooth" clause - if the tooth was missing when the insurance became active, the insurance won't pay for replacement. Not all companies have this as part of their contract, but many do.
And the $1200 maximum (I've seen as low as $750) wouldn't cover half the cost of the bridge.
I hope that after giving him a second chance, she realizes that these abusers never do change. They promise to quit drinking, quit hitting, whatever it is, but it's just a trap to get you back to being their punching bag.
I hope he can never get to her again because I am sure he has a lot of anger towards her. She looks great, and very happy, I hope she gets this job and finds true happiness. Some therapy might help her realize that happiness lies within, and that she should not depend on an abusive man to feel "complete".
This is an awesome story! I think we forget how important a beautiful smile is and the first impression that it makes. Best wishes to this woman and all of the others benefitting from this program.
She didn't pick him up in a bar. You clearly have no clue about domestic abuse, power and control or what violence does to individuals. Until you do, keep your opinions to yourself and don't reveal how ignorant you really are.
I really feel for the lady and hope she does well. But like the old saying here in MO.,"getting kicked by the same mule twice isn't too brilliant."
Although, as she pointed out she felt ugly and isolated. When no one else seems to want you, sometimes it is easy to convince yourself that this must be the only thing you are good enough for. Especially when you have suffered a crushing blow to your self-esteem.
I hope she gets her life back on track and has a better sense of self after the cosmetic work she received. (He beat her again? Wow. I'll bet she didn't see THAT coming.) Glad she is out of the relationship and I hope he is roasting over a large, hot flame right now.
The great smile will help. But due to her lack of confidence, she is now blind in one eye. It sounds like she also needs counseling to get over her addiction to bums.
BTW, the article did not say what happened to her abuser. I hope is is put away for good. If not, she would probably be tempted to take him back because he is "so sorry".
The article said that she was ashamed and didn't smile. She's grinning in the "before" photo as though she had just won the lottery. Oh, wait...she DID just win the lottery. I wonder how many kids she has who are aware that she was abused. Little boys will emulate this behavior later and little girls grow up thinking that it is ok to be beaten by their man/men.
I hope someone steps up and sponsors some therapy for the kids.
What is up with all the victim blaming? The only person responsible for abuse is the abuser. Comments like these are what keeps abuse victims in isolation.
No one's blaming her for the entire scenario, but she does have some fault in this because she took back someone who seriously abused her. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
If she hadn't taken him back, she'd have gotten dental work AND she would still have both eyes.
And any kids around will be strongly influenced by what they've seen growing up.
How exactly did she win the lottery? And, why would you assume she has children? What a horribly insensitive and sanctimonious post.
Hindsight's always 20/20 . . . even for the one-eyed.
I did not assume she had children; I wondered how many children she has. Zero could be the number. (And how is that insensitive to ask if a woman her age has children??) She 'won the lottery' by having her teeth fixed at no cost to her. My dental issues cost thousands of dollars to fix and I paid for it myself, as other posters on here have.
Don't worry Lizzie we all realize that you're a bigot.Where in this article are children even mentioned? Are you trying to say that all abused Black women have a bunch of kids? Does the same apply to abused white women?It's people like you who go around assuming things that cause misunderstandings and confusion.
There's a lot of jumping to conclusions about Lizzie63's post. The sad reality is that children exposed to abuse emulate the behavior - either as abusers or victims. When you hear of chronic abuse, the first thing that comes to mind is, "Are there any children involved?" - for that exact reason.
She never suggested that battered women were more likely to have children or even lots of children, or to be black. Since the vast majority of women of all races and situations DO have children, there's nothing inherently insulting about it. Must we rush to label someone as racist or bigot when they dare to bring up points the article didn't address?
What a great program.....may the woman featured be hired for a job.
My 1st throught about the photo on the left could have been taken by the program as her "before" photo. There's a dentist in my area who does before & after photos as part of his advertising.
Many people who are abused for long enough are no longer able to tell reality from what the abuser's made them believe. They literally no longer see themselves as being lovable, having worth, or anything like that.
It makes no sense to those who haven't been abused. But if abusers started hitting right from the start instead of spending a long time manipulating and breaking their partner down, that person would probably leave much, much sooner.
Anyway, the longer the abuse, the more distorted your worldview becomes.
Bethany
I'm so glad that you escaped the DV situation that you were in.
People who have not studied this problem have no clue how difficult it is for an abused women to overcome the obstacles that abuse puts into their paths.
Obviously eh?
That's exactly what Lizzie just stated...
"She 'won the lottery' by having her teeth fixed at no cost to her. My dental issues cost thousands of dollars to fix and I paid for it myself, as other posters on here have."
Why not just be happy that she got help? There's an underlying feeling of resentment in your posts. I'll never understand people who are upset at the good fortune of others.
It's nice to know that there's a program out there to help battered and abused victims regain some self-confidence. The face (mainly eyes, nose, mouth) are what people first see and make a connection to, so it's important to have a clean, neat appearance. She not only looks healthier, but is giving off a vibe of joy... I'm happy for her! Hopefully along with some counselling, these people can restore some balance and positivity to their lives with their new smiles!
+1. my GF had simular abuse situation with her children's father.
and yes, its nice to read about some good as opposed to sh*tty stories that just you feel so 'good'... derp...
Give the GOP some time, they will make it a crime to help anyone in need. Unless it is unborn.
So true. I'm sure that the smoke is coming out of their ears as we type. Helping others who are in need is totally against everything that they are taught and believe.
LOL Leave it to a couple of true morons to take a story about abused women and turn it into a political bash-fest.
All because people who do well for themselves don't want to give you open acess to their bank accounts.
And no, I am not a republican, conservative, or member of the 'right'.
(stating this to avoid the knee jerk reaction of morons to automatically assume someone who despises democrats/socialists must be affiliated with the opposing party)
Beautiful story. She looks beautiful and I am sure it reflects in her spirit to survive and move past the ugly stigma of domestic violence. Smile lady, smile.
It is nice to see only positive comments about a story for once.
You spoke too soon.
No one knows how difficult it is to leave an abuser or to repair your self esteem until you have walked in the shoes of the abused. I am thrilled that this lady has a new lease on life. Thank you to those who were willing to donate their time and talent to help others. She is beautiful!
E Hall--Thank you for your kind comment--NO ONE knows.
I am so tired of hearing how people can judge someone who is in this situation. They have no idea what hell it is and how difficult it is to leave.
As for the lady who continues to say "she won the lottery" because there was a program set up for just this type of service. BULLSH!T!! I suppose that this is socialism to you. Yet -- you all trype on about how individuals are supposed to look for help from just such types instead of the government! FU@K I am getting tired of the "talking out of both sides of their mouths!!!"
It's called hypocrisy by most but to the baggers it's called a personality trait.
She did "win the lottery" so to speak, and good for her!
As for not understanding how hard it is to leave an abuser, I must say, I really don't get it. Just from a pain perspective. You'd have to have some serious pain tolerance to live with physical abuse. I couldn't do it. I'd be running out of there if he so much as made me stub my toe!
it is called IGNORANCE, Chris......."teabaggers"??? GROW UP!
Teabaggers is the moniker they gave themselves.
"Tea partiers" is the moniker they gave themselves.
Just because people don't want medical and other services coming out of tax monies, does not mean they oppose private charities. Most conservatives actually strongly support many private efforts to help others. Let's leave the phony hateful politics out of this and rejoice that this lady has had her smile restored. This has nothing to do with politics, left or right, it has to do with simply helping women in very difficult situations put their lives back together. I'm sure the dentists participating in this are doing it out of caring and compassion, and their politics have absolutely nothing to do with this.
It is a shame that the first time she was free of her abuser, when he was sent to jail, that she did not get the help she needed, emotional and physical, that would have given her the strength to stay away from her abuser when he got out.
What a wonderful story and what a fantastic program. Thanks to all the providers that are giving of their time and money to help those in need. Contrary to many opinions it is very difficult for some to extract themselves from an abusive relationship and it has nothing to do with intelligence, more of a confidence and self esteem issue. I wish her the best in her future.
I co-sign with you
These two need to hook up with the Florida Scott sisters. Then, all four could get married and live off the land!!!
Billy the coward
Billy, if only you could say what you typed right to their face. You're such a chump.
Amen, Rob99
Rob...you were nice but I agree with you! BILLY the COWARD!!!
Where the hell did that comment come from? If you're trying to be funny---didn't work.
That Billy-boy, he ain't quite right in the head.
Crap! Trying to report Billy the Wuss and accidentally voted....can we undo a vote???
On a different note, I am so happy to read about people doing something good to help one another. I wish for her and all of the other victims that this group has helped to find their peace and renewed self esteem.
What a sad but uplifting story in many ways. A human moving forward and the generosity of society was and still is at work.
Please, no a-holes trying to bring politcs into this. Some jerk will.
I'll go ahead and beat them to the punchline, Rob:
It's Obama's fault.....NOT.
Y'all obviously missed "funnystuff" at 2.2 meh.
I've seen how hard it can be to leave an abuser especially the psychos that track you down. I'm very happy for this woman I hope she's on a good path now.
What a fantastic program!! As a survivor of domestic violence, even though I got out as quickly as I could, I left with a mouthful of damage. It took eight years for me to get to a position financially to be able to fix it. Even though these teeth aren't the ones I was born with, I smile often and proudly -- something that for quite a while I was convinced I would never do. God bless all the ones responsible for this charity!
I do have to ask... out of genuine curiosity. Why didn't you sue the guy? Was he without assets? I mean, if you could even extract a little out of him (and I would think you are certainly entitled), that could have alleviated the financial burden on yourself, or the wait time. Wouldn't it?
JLM when you finally get out of an abusive relationship you just want OUT, especially if they're one of those that will try to hunt you down, a lot of times women have to move away and go into hiding to stay safe.
Even winning a lawsuit (presuming you can afford to hire an attorney and pay court filing fees) does not guarantee a payout. 10 years ago family law lawyers wouldn't even take a case without a $3500 retainer. It's more like $5k now.
Even then, going bankrupt earning a ruling can't force anyone to actually pay, and the courts and police won't or can't enforce it. I know.
It is great that she got some help. Now if her charming boyfriend will just come to Texas we will help him as well. Sure hope he doesn't try to steal a pick-up with a short length of chain.
What an amazing program. I am so happy for her. Getting your smile back feels like you have the world by the tail. I spent 10 years behind my hand with broken teeth....not smiling where anyone could see....never, ever laughing out loud. It is wonderful that this program is in place now. Kudos!
They had to surgically remove her eye?! The abuser should be put away forever. What the hell is wrong with people?!
Don't want to get beaten up by your drunken boyfriend?
Here's a tip....don't pick up guys at a BAR!
Well, Rick Cain4150, you don't have to go to a bar to get an abuser! They come in all shapes and sizes and class levels. They can be in your church, PTA, etc. They don't all have to be drunk either. Some of them are just plain evil and get a real kick out of abusing.
I met my husband in a bar and he is wonderful. I don't think where you meet your spouse has all that much to do with the kind of person they are. Unless you meet them while they are dealing crack on a corner. That might give you a hint.
It's a great idea, but take it one step further. How about the courts making the convicted abuser pay back the program for the costs by garnishing their wages? If they refuse to pay put them back in jail. Guys like the one in this story are habitual offenders, better in jail than abusing someone else.
What makes you think that this abuser has wages to garnish? Or is in a business that would do that?
I agree with you. But first of all, I would like to see damages to be paid to this lady. She is completely blind in one eye. That means she has no depth perception for the rest of her life. She also has artificial teeth and went through great suffering (emotional and physical). After she receives adequate compensation - THEN he should be required to compensate the charity.
Great organization BTW. Fabulous work.
That's what I was wondering. Perhaps it's that pesky dichotomy that such people either have too little money/assets to be worth suing, or have so much that they can afford a formidable defense.
"Smile, and the world smiles with you". I hope she gets that job. Kudos to all the professionals providing this service.
Now let me see: Female tries to make a life with a man that (I can assure you) nearly everyone that knew her tried to warn her was no good, but she insisted they were all wrong about him. He soon begins to beat her. She kicks him out, but soon takes him back. He beats her harder and more frequently, and she takes him back time & time again. Finally, he has beaten her and left his mark on her in the form of scars, misshapen facial features and broken/missing teeth. Now she feels she HAS to stay with him because by now she feels she’s too ugly for any other man to want. Now where have I heard this story before? Oh yeah…I know…from the many weak women that were either personal family members or family members of close friends. Not blaming the victim, but after you’ve heard the same story so many times, your ability to feel sympathy for women like these diminishes a bit. One thing for sure, if he’s still free (i.e., not in JAIL), he will try to get back with her. And she will LET him.
he will try to get back with her. And she will LET him.
While this is true way too often, it does not always happen. I was in a very violent relationship for 8 years until I finally put him out for the last time. Luckily I met a very wonderful and loving man that I have been with for 22 years and who has not ever hit or mentally abused me. He is loving and kind and raised my children from 4 and 2 like they were his own. Hopefully more people will find the strength they need to leave an abuser permanently.
I certainly hope you never find yourself in a position like this woman. Obviously you are a man and clearly have no sympathy for others. What makes you think anyone warned her about anything? You say you don't blame the victim, but in your post you blame this woman and all other women who have been subjected to domestic violence. You hearing this story over and over should make you angry at the abuser and want to do something about it, change the way things are, not sit back and blame the victim. If you were the victim of a crime, would it be your fault??
It's like this: I know that the story said nothing about her being warned by other; that was part of my own observation of women like her (and I clearly stated so. Try to keep up). In almost every case I can think of, everyone could see that the man was no good, but the "victim" refused to see it or refused to listen. Next, I can tell YOU'VE never had to deal with people like this woman or you would understand what I was trying to say. Sure, you feel bad for the woman, but after awhile you get to a point of sympathy burnout. I mean if a person gets hit by a truck once you feel for them. Twice, you tell them to please be more careful. But after awhile you come to realize that it's not the trucks...the problem is with this person who for some reason keeps jumping in front of them.
I have known women who seemed to be in the habit of, "jumping in front trucks" as you put it, and I have known those who would drop the equivalent of a 4 ton load of burning steel on any truck that they even looked like they were thinking about hitting them again.....to use your analogy.
Some of them have been the same woman at different times in her life. Women are different than men, to expect them to think or to act like a man does in relationships is silly.
Not all women are the same, however that is hard to tell from your posts. Perhaps you are missing that it's often the best qualities of women that are turned against them by the abuser, and no, those qualities do not include masochism.
You cannot even see the misogyny in your posts. Trust me, others can.
I have to agree with jbird. It's hard to sympathize with victims who keep choosing the abuser, especially when they reject your help in a desperate bid to get affirmation from their abusers. It is as if they hope to say, "Suzie thinks I should leave you, and offered me a place to stay, but I turned her down because I pick YOU. So don't you just LOVE me all the more now?"
I had a friend do that. She just kept throwing me to the wolves, so to speak, because she thought she'd impress him by standing up to her (ex) best friend who disapproved of him. Ten years later, she's still supporting him, with nothing to show for it but bruises. She tried to "hide" his behavior from everyone, making up dumb scenarios to explain the injuries, and even insisting that ALL her other friends and family liked him. (I discovered this when her mom finally confronted me and asked why I thought so highly of this guy. I said I didn't, and once the cat was out of the bag, the rest of us quickly untangled the lies.)
Everyone wants to be loved, we never asked to be abused. Anyone can make a mistake that's for sure. I've seen many incidences where a relationship was peachy until the marriage certificate. Lots of men seem to think that gives them a license to do whatever they want to a person. Some people shouldn't own dogs, let alone indulged in the delusion that they "own" women. For the "modern day" this country really fell short in teaching the menfolk how to be human beings.
The "delusion" that men own women by dint of a marriage certificate isn't perpetrated by individuals, but by religious idealism. With the exception of some Far Eastern sects, ALL major religions of the world say that the woman is property of the man once they are married.
I've never understood why the GLBTQ community is so hot to get married when the institution of marriage is so fv<ked.
How much have her stupid decisions cost the taxpayers over the years?
Look, Scrooge is out and opining and it isn't even Christmas.
But to answer your question, I bet she's cost the taxpayers a lot less than corporations who ship jobs overseas or collect massive tax breaks if they don't.
taxed, I am also a taxpayer, and I say it's a pathetic comment on this country that she could not go to a TAXPAYER FUNDED dental clinic immediately. Or one of those "Christian" dentists......I'm sure they are out there in thousands.....they are just hard to find when you really need help.
I know that there is no combination of words or phrases that could even begin to make you see just how selfish, unkind, uncharitable, and mean your post is....but trust me TAXED, it is all of those things.
Funny how so many who would agree with you on this are evangelicals, because it's also a stark diametrically opposed position to the "Golden Rule" and to the One it was written by.
What we are seeing in this country is nothing short of the alignment of good and evil. I see prophecy coming true before my eyes and I'm not a Christian.
Amazing.
Well as a taxpayer, I don't know how much it cost to fix her smie. But it was worth every penny!!! I for one don't mind paying more in taxes if it legitimately went to helping others and being invested into our communities and not just to line the already fat pockets of politicians.....I love this story, I wish her the best of luck and continued happiness and healing.
Well said Connie, very well said.
Moo, do you know who issued the Golden Rule? It wasn't the One you're thinking of.
Hey Lizzie--(now I know why I changed my name to Bethany)
Guessing you are one of those "dont ask the government for help" get it on your own type of people. Yet - when someone does exactly that like in the article you have nasty bigotted comments.
Go figure!!
How much as HIS decisions and HIS behaviour cost the taxpayer over the years. Get a life.
Bethany, What exactly did she do on her own??? And to which of my comments are you responding? Which comment was bigoted? Actually, don't bother to answer because I don't care what you think. I'm laughing at your attack on my name, however. Dork.
Lizzie
that one--DORK!
I am aware of two Golden rules.
One is the Golden Rule, that one should do unto others as one would want others to do unto them. I believe that one is attributed to Jesus.
The other golden rule, aka he who has the most gold makes the rules, is not what I was referring to. As obvious as I thought that was, some people missed it. Who came up with that one? Ask Lizzie I guess.
So Lizzie, tell us who it was that issued the Golden Rule.
I met my abuser at a church function. He was upper middle class, white, well-educated. He was everything a girl was supposed to look for, and he was evil. I left quickly, but I was stalked, threatened, and left damaged.
Years later, I met my husband at the grocery store. His background was checkered, and if I had gone on that alone, I would have missed out on my happily ever after. He is a wonderful man, and I am lucky to be his wife.
Be careful that you don't paint everyone with too broad a brush. There are always exceptions.
I'm happy for you. Thank you for sharing your story.
Like you, I similarly met the "everything" guy. It took awhile to realize that the manipulations of "I'm sorry, but it was your fault" and the family "duty" to be a good wife and not a dissapointment, and the "marriage is hard" speeches, andyes, I admit, I should have left long before I did.
Like you, I now have a better life. I hope one day this type of story, behavior, and discussion will be a permanent thing of the past. The best to you, Teach, nancyp, Oh-Pa-leaze, and the rest who are willing to share their strength and their stories.
jbird,
Your comments are out of line. Abused women often want to leave their abuser but are often afraid of what the abuser might do if they DO leave. It has nothing to do with a woman being weak. Most abused women have no self-esteem left because their abuser brainwashes them into thinking that he is the only one who will have her because she is such a flawed person. Abuse is a horrible mind-game perpetrated by control freaks who, because they can't control themselves, have to control someone else to prove how tough they are. Blaming the victim is lame!
Craig, I stated that i was not blaming the victim. I was only making the statement that, based upon personal observation, some people cannot be helped. Women that continually go back to men that take out their frustrations with the world on them TOP that list. You sympathize greatly at first. You provide financial help, you give them a place to stay, you do whatever you can to get them on their feet. And when they do start to get things together, Mr. Bully-Boy shows up again and she takes him back, with predictable results. Then it starts over again. And, YES, after you've seen the same scenerio a few times you come to realize that some women are simply "broken". And you're not as eager to invest time, money and resources trying to help them anymore knowing it will all be wasted when she inevitably goes back to her abuser or someone new, but just as bad.
jbird you are correct. There are those who cannot be helped. They can't be helped until they want to be helped.
That is not meant in a bad way. That is just how it is. Women like these are broken. A lot of them do eventually come around but it can be a long, painful, wait for family members who start to feel both helpless to get them out and frustrated when every effort to help turns out to be futile because she goes back.
It is hard to understand what is going on inside an abused woman's mind when she continues to go back and no one can really get it unless they have been there. But it is wrong to disregard how families and friends feel when they too suffer because they have to watch the person they love repeat this process.
I can totally understand where jbird is coming from. I have been on both sides of this.
JBird
As I understand, the average abused woman returns to her abuser four times. Leaving takes a lot of preparation: Emotional, financial, practical. The good news is that on average, after four false attempts, more than half succeed in getting on with their lives.
Many women do not leave their abusers because of financial control, fear, destroyed self-esteem, and worst of all, fear the abuser will try for and get custody of the children, or even the very believable threat that he will kidnap the kids if he doesn't get custody. Remember, abusers do not usually appear as abusers to everyone else, just their wife/girlfriend and children. Women often find themselves in a position of no one believing them until severe physical injury occurs.
Hopefully she'll get enough self esteem to think being alone is better than allowing herself to become a punching bag.
I do have to kind of wonder about her employer. Why doesn't she have dental insurance? I read something yesterday that 1/3 of Americans don't have dental coverage. I have never been offered dental in any of the jobs I've had over my 30+ years of working. I think it's far more than 1/3 without insurance. If this woman was working full time for an employer, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE that that employer doesn't pay a living wage that includes enough to put a roof over her head, food on the table, clothes on her back and MEDICAL (which would include eyes and dental).
Well, by considering all the perks you are assuming, the employer has just increased the "cost" of that employee by approximately $6,000/year. The additional $6,000 may just cause the employer to decide he/she cannot afford an additional employee, thus one job down the drain.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but there are two sides to the issue.
"perks" are the wrong way of looking at things. These need to be considered necessities.
Unfortunately, the whole financial structure of this nation has been so muddled up, it's going to take some pretty radical legislation to correct it. I believe that it can be done, but at this point, I'm afraid there's going to need to be bloodshed before we'll be able to swing things back around.
People did you read the story -- she is unemployed and was looking for employment when she came across a program that would be happy to help her with out judging her--something from the sounds of it you two cant do!!!
BethanyB - Before you to throwing accusations that I can't read did you read the part were this happened more than a decade ago? Has she been out of work this long?
No--she has had the "stigma" this long--and I can almost guarantee she has had low paying minimum wage jobs during this time 'cuz employers tend to "look down" upon unattractive women. I know 'cuz I had the same "stigma" for 13 years -- up until I got the help I needed and now will smile and have more self - esteem.
Sometimes I wish things would be a perfect as some of these commentors would like - but - reality is NOT. Judging people because of a "hard life" is really unchristian!
Bethany, I'm sorry to hear your plight but if that's what you thought i said in my message, you definitely misjudged my statement. I don't care if you're cleaning bathrooms, a checker at walmart, a ditch digger or a strawberry picker, if you do the time, you should be getting paid a living wage for it. And if this woman (or you for that matter) would have been treated fairly, she would have been able to get her mouth fixed a long time ago.
OMG-what country do you live in??
As for mistaking you comment as judgement - I apologize. However--Dental work is not cheap and very few employers offer it at any price. I at least had a "flipper" (temporary tooth to last 3 weeks) However, could not afford the final fix. Only after I married a wonderful man did I have the $$ to cover replacing the tooth.
And really -- employers DO look down on unattractive women. No matter where you are from.
Actually, most employers' dental plans have pre-existing condition restrictions, just as health plans. In addition, they have annual coverage caps, sometimes as low as $1200 -- meaning any costs over that amount -- no matter what the service is -- is out of your pocket. So even if she had worked for an employer that provided dental insurance, having $6000 worth of repair work done probably would not have been covered by the plan.
Susan is right. Dental insurers call it a "missing tooth" clause - if the tooth was missing when the insurance became active, the insurance won't pay for replacement. Not all companies have this as part of their contract, but many do.
And the $1200 maximum (I've seen as low as $750) wouldn't cover half the cost of the bridge.
85% of abuse crimes, are blacks against blacks!!!!!!!!!!!!
An interesting statistic, if true, but what is your point?
Not in Canada. It seems to be an equal opportunity crime.
Bull crap. It should be a crime for you to post.
I hope that after giving him a second chance, she realizes that these abusers never do change. They promise to quit drinking, quit hitting, whatever it is, but it's just a trap to get you back to being their punching bag.
I hope he can never get to her again because I am sure he has a lot of anger towards her. She looks great, and very happy, I hope she gets this job and finds true happiness. Some therapy might help her realize that happiness lies within, and that she should not depend on an abusive man to feel "complete".
This is an awesome story! I think we forget how important a beautiful smile is and the first impression that it makes. Best wishes to this woman and all of the others benefitting from this program.
She didn't pick him up in a bar. You clearly have no clue about domestic abuse, power and control or what violence does to individuals. Until you do, keep your opinions to yourself and don't reveal how ignorant you really are.