agreed - anyone else catch the part where he smoked it from a plastic tube.
Chemical burns to the lung.
Plastic is made of chemicals - and when light with a lighter, would release those chemicals.
Im thinking its not the synthetic pot - though im not ruling it out. I'm just thinking, cigarrettes are laden with chemicals, but when smoked...the dont burn lungs.
What this kid was smoking was not marijuana. It was fake weed made in a lab from lawn clippings and other herbs with chemicals added to it. What this kid was smoking is actually legal because it did not contain a controlled substance. Apparently manufacturers can make whatever drugs they want as long as it does not contain a controlled substance which creates a whole other debate.
Make it legal. Tax it. Put half the tax profits into education. It will eliminate the fake weed crap. And as mentioned he most likely died because he smoked plastic. If could have been tobacco and the same would have happened. I know way more kids who have died from alcohol then smoking plastic. Maybe ban alcohol also right?????
Nope, you are correct. The chemical burns were caused by polycarbonates releasing chlorine gas and hydrogen sulfide gas when heated near the flash point. The synthetic pot was irrelevant. A Pez dispenser --- really. Even a 13-year-old should have known better than to tru to smoke anything out of something that melts easily. Sorry, but the article was biased and improper journalism that just doesn't want to acknowledge another death blamed on BPA.
Jessica-exactly like cigarettes. Notice how quick that governor banned that "synthetic pot?" Why not ban cigarettes while he's at it? Makes no sense to me.
At Prohibition......what kind of logic did you use to arrive at your conclusion?
I'm guessing the line of thinking was that if you legalize marijuana, there wouldn't be a need for any kind of potentially dangerous synthetic marijuana.
However, it's probably safe to say that the plastic tube that was used to smoke that synthetic stuff is what actually caused the chemical burns on his lungs and not the marijuana. It must've been like putting your mouth over a cars tail pipe while the motor was running.
The death is blamed on an infection resulting from a weakened immune system that was caused by anti-rejection drugs following his lung transplant.
The lung transplant was necessitated by the use of a plastic device.
The article was written in such a way as to gloss over these two facts, and appear to blame a substance that had nothing to do with the child's death, resulting in a bunch of people jumping into the comment section to either blame the substance as well, or blame the lawmakers.
what idiot smokes out of a plastic tube???thats what killed him not the synthetic garbage. Use an apple next time, they work great. Pencile through the top and one though the side to connect the two and its ready set LIGHT. Then when u get then munchies u can eat the apple and the evidence.
First, it was NOT illegal at the time, and is still legal in many places. (Up until a few months ago you could buy it in the mini-marts here)
Second, he was THIRTEEN. We all do dumb stuff at that age, just most of us don't end up paying for it with our lives. For you to call him a punk says FAR more about you than about him. He was a child, and curious, just like any other 13 year old. I feel sorry for you that you are so narrow minded that you can find no compassion for a thirteen year old child.
Lets be real this teen died from smoking Plastic. Plastic is toxic. I don't care what you smoke it could be bunny tears, if you smoke it from a plastic tube your going to get ill and could die.
Kelly- You are probably right. Cigarettes kill people, but the government cannot afford to lose the revenue from taxes on cigarettes. Anyone want to argue that cigarettes don't kill people? Why are cigarettes legal and marijuana illegal? Alcohol as well.
Right on slugbait... anyone that is taken any kind of chemistry course knows that heating plastic and inhaling the vapors is highly toxic... I don't know why they are calling it synthetic pot... when it has nothing to do with pot... its incense and grass clippings sprayed with a newly synthetic drug that has a similar chemical composition of acid (LSD)... it was perfectly legal for that kid to purchase it... just goes to show how backward our controlled substance laws are.. Pot is illegal because it is highly medicinal and has anti-cancer properties and it can't be patented by drug companies.. they want to keep it illegal so they can continue to sell their expensive pills that kill people more annually than pot ever has.
@Jessica: You know that everything is chemicals, right?
@phillyfan: How can you argue that smoking cigarettes kill people (and imply that smoking marijuana does not)? I'd go as far to say that any time smoke goes into the lungs, whether it's from cigarettes, campfires, or napalm, it is carcinogenic and damages the lungs. If a person smokes pot, I guarantee you they are damaging their lungs and making themselves just as susceptible to emphysema, lung cancer, and other related diseases. The only difference between tobacco and marijuana smokes is that tobacco smokers frequently smoke a pack a day or more, as compared to marijuana smokers who would go broke smoking that volume.
If a person smoked one cigarette a week, they probably wouldn't die.
He was 13. People do lots of stupid things at 13 but most are lucky enough to live through them. My sympathy to his family and friends. A life cut way too short because someone needed to make a buck.
Matt- then why are cigarettes legal? You switched from cigarettes to tobacco. If cigarettes contained pure tobacco it would be different would it not? How many people do you know have died from smoking marijuana? Last time I checked it can be prescribed to patients with cancer....how many cancer patients have been prescribed cigarettes?
First off, my condolances to the family(ies) affected by this story. So I got a problem with the legalize it crap. Are you telling me that people who routinely dodge the law will sign up in droves to pay the taxes on their weed that legalization "experts" say will balance the budget? Hell no they won't. it will be the same problem {illegal growing}, but different law broken {tax evasion instead of controlled substance}.
Also, a kid died. The first thing out of your mouth should be "sorry for your loss" not "legalize weed!" unless you are a cold heartless person. Should the kid have known better? Yeah. Still, a life ended. Show some compassion on your way to the @!$%#ing soapbox.
philly, you are stating that marijuana smoke is essentially "harmless," and I did not say that it had no benefits. Clearly not the same argument, and you're constructing ridiculous analogies to try to undermine the point. My point was entirely about volume.
I've got an idea: smoke 1/4 oz. of marijuana per day, every day. That's about the same amount of tobacco in one pack of cigarettes. Tell me how your lungs look after a year, let alone a lifetime.
I've never said I'm against legalization of marijuana. I'm merely against bad information being touted as facts, as if something being "natural" was inherently harmless and innocuous. Smoke, regardless of where it comes from, is bad for your lungs.
Lord Rob- yes, just ask the California clinics how many people have "signed up" to get pot legally. Matter of fact one clinic that was in the news very recently was ordered to pay about 2 million in taxes. I'm not going to address the rest of your comment because I am not nor will I ever be "PC" not to mention I am fairly certain the parents are not reading this discussion board.
Matt- I'd rather eat brownies because I actually agree with you in that any smoke in the lungs cannot be good for you.
It wasn't the fake weed, it was the cheap plastic candy dispenser he melted and inhaled. Since it was probably made in China, you can bet it was as toxic as it could get.
I'm not talking about the clinics and the state farms. I'm talking about John Nobody who grows it in their basement. I don't see my stoner friends running out to pay. and don't think that i'm against it. I'm not. Just trying to point out a flaw in the logic people have with the legalization issue.
So sad to see a 13 year old child lose his life! My sympathy for his family and friends. This isn't about weed or that knockoff synthetic BS either. Although the article is clearly slanted by an anti-MJ idiot the reality is its about a life lost due to lack of knowledge.
Lord Rob-You are so wrong on your basis of MJ legalization. Legalization will reduce price, increase access and safety and will also be a legit market. People would be free under legalization to grow their own or purchase from a retailer. No need for black market acquisition.
I'm sorry but people who are arguing for legalization are ignoring the facts right in front of you. Every pot smoker knows at least one person who has smoked too much weed and killed off enough brain cells that they are now functionally retarded. To argue that the science does not exist to prove that weed kills brain cells and is harmful to a person is ridiculous. Legalization will just exacerbate the problem of people smoking weed because then they'll argue that they should be able to smoke at work (as tabacco users do). Some judge somewhere will buy their argument and its off to the races. I don't think alcohol is any better but two wrongs....
Lord Rob- I see your point. If it is legal then there would be no issue with John Nobody growing his own, which would then negate him paying taxes on it. However, growing your own is expensive. Especially if you want good herb like the clinics have. Have to remember that not everyone has friends that grow and can get good herb easily.
Basedrum- First pot doesn't kill brain cells as a matter of fact there are studies reporting cannabis stimulates our cannibinoid receptors and strengthens brain cell activity. Asserting they do is ridiculous AND nonfactual.
Stupid people can smoke weed. Stupid people can also drink alcohol, milk, drive a car ect.. This argument is a non-sequitor of epidemic proportions.
Legalization doesn't increase use. Studies conducted in MJ friendly countries like Holland, Spain, Portugal, Jamaica ect.. prove this clearly.
Instead of regurgitating drug war propaganda educate yourself to the reality of cannabis.
Cannabis has psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The minimum amount of THC required to have a perceptible psychoactive effect is about 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight.[11] Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory,[12]psychomotor coordination, and concentration.
You should also post the effects of cigarettes and alcohol. Lets weigh the facts and determine which ones are worse shall we? Out of cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, which one has medicinal benefits?
I clearly stated above that I don't disagree that tabacco and alcohol could very well be worse for you in consumption. The issue becomes why would a society want the use of a drug to be "blessed" just becaus there are worse alternatives? That's like saying we should allow people to carry around crossbows because we allow people to carry guns.
I would compare crossbows and guns to cigarettes and alcohol before I would compare them to marijuana. Marijuana would be more like a pocket knife or pepper spray even. The main question is why are alcohol and cigarettes legal while marijuana is not.
Legal or not, it wouldn't be legal for a 13 yr old, I would assume, so this danger would persist.
Not from smoking pot, it wouldn't. While I would - and do with my own kids - prohibit smoking pot at all before they are legal adults, the pot would have been a danger. I've never heard of anyone dying from pot smoke alone. I am not talking about accidents related to smoking pot such as operating a vehicle; simply the drug itself.
All this poor kid did was smoke something that killed him. Pot alone would not have done that. Kids do dumb things. It's every parents nightmare that one of those stupid things takes a loved one from you.
In a free society we should be able to do what we want as long as no one else is harmed. Hell we can bungee jump, sky dive, drive a car at 70mph, take big pharma drugs until we are blue and not breathing yet MJ a relatively harmless plant is subject to this draconian prohibitionist law. Why?
It can't be controlled by big pharma and the Prison industry who want prohibtion along with LEA-DEA, FBI, local/state LEA which use this as a funding mechanism.
All three have medical benefits sort of. Nicotine aids with some problems like irritable bowel syndrome... but the doc won't say smoke, he'll recommend a patch. Alcohol also has some medicinal purposes especially red wine for the heart but in a very small amount. Pot has a lot of uses. If I didn't have young kids and it was legal, I would use it for insomnia.
basedrum, why do you want to make everyone's choices for them? Yes, there may be worse alternatives that marijuana, and we don't ban them because we (thankfully, sometimes) don't legislate morality, or try and control peoples' behavior to be what we think is best. People will one way or another do what they want, and making laws against something that is well within someone's personal freedom of choice only creates instant criminals and a black market (ref: prohibition). It's a free country. If it doesn't harm you, let people do what they want, and teach your own kids what you think is best.
And as a follow-up, what a horrendous situation. It's a tragedy this young person inhaled burning plastic and ruined his lungs; I imagine the synthetic pot was the least of the problem. I very well got myself into dangerous situations at that age, but luckily lived and learned. I feel for his family, and can only imagine how it must tear them up to think what (if anything) they might have done or said to avoid this. Heartbreaking that he didn't make it, even after the transplant.
first of all why are you guys even debating marijuana... the kid died from bpa poisoning from a pez dispenser... While I admit that synthetic marijuana is probably worse than the real thing... it probably had nothing to do with his death. Smoking a plastic container can kill you. Smoking out of alumnium foil can cause alzheimers. theres a reason why people smoke either paper or a glass/wooden pipe... because the materials you smoke out of can effect your lungs.
natural cannabis = medicine with no possibility of overdose
That's just not true! If you eat 7 pounds of marijuana, it will kill you.
I say that no one should be allowed to have more than 7 lbs of marijuana in their possession. There is an overdose hazard. Someone might try to eat all 7 pounds. Of course, anything under 7 pounds should be perfectly legal.
The article should have been titled" child dies after trying to circumvent paraphernalia laws" This kid does what all kids his age do - if something is illegal, they try to find something "similar" which is not illegal. At the time of this incident, nothing this child did was illegal. To smoke pot out of a glass pipe certainly would have been illegal. Of course, this child would be alive today. More blood on the hands of congress.
Harold, you left out half of the necessary information. 7 Lbs., over what period of time?
For those who smoke, you would have to smoke 1500 Lbs. of marijuana in fifteen minutes in order to overdose. As far as I know this has never been documented to have happened in human history. Aspirin and Tylonal are more dangerous.
Everyone keeps making the same comment that he was poisoned from smoking plastic and not synthetic pot, which is correct. But how many of you would have clicked on the headline if it stated "Teen dies from smoking out of a plastic device"???
Geez i've never heard of anyone dying from too much pot smokin. Make it legal and this kind of shyt won't happen. How many have to die before the government wakes up from crap like this. I'd much rather ride in a car with somebody that has been smoking than some fat cat drunk that drinks. MAKE POT LEGAL, it is less harmful the alchohol. This BS says it's a gateway drug. NO Alchohol is a gateway drug, does more harm to the body and brain and makes you DRUNK. Ever hear of anyone die from alchohol poisoning? You fat cats in DC got it backward. But i guess that is ok cause you can't stop drinking. Pot is beneficial to cancer victims or hiv patients. What good does alchohol do except make you forget about your problems.
basedrum777--Wow, you can quote from Wikipedia. Congratulations. You do realize that Wikipedia articles are written by the "masses"--and as we can see from this thread, people actually believe the garbage that is publicized via pro-legalization sites concerning marijuana.
Midnight Toker 4+20--Wow, you can cite "studies" that are being presented to you mostly by those who are in favor of making marijuana legal. Congratulations--now go read the actual study.
The authors of that study say regular cannabis users are known to suffer acute memory impairment, as well as dependency and withdrawal symptoms. Further, other studies show an increase of psychosis, schizophrenia, as well as an increase in the risk of cancer which is similar to that of tobacco (also a "natural herb," I'd like to point out).
The study found not that marijuana increases intelligence--they found, instead, that it causes neurons to regenerate in the hippocampus, an area that controls mood and emotions. It can function as an anti-depressant.
Let me translate that for you--marijuana can make a person an extremely happy moron. Yes, I think we knew that already.
Learn to use better sources, people, and learn to read the source all the way through yourself--don't just cherry-pick out the facts that you like and leave all the others alone.
Marijuana (well, the psychoreactive part of it--THC) is a drug--a drug like many others that is derived from plants. While it is not a demon weed that will inevitably lead to hard drug use, it is also not a common herb that has no harmful properties whatsoever and many beneficial properties. Marijuana, like aspirin or alcohol, has some beneficial properties. Consumed in excess or by the wrong person, it has detrimental properties.
Yes, this particular child died mostly from inhaling via a plastic pipe--he was just a child and probably had no idea that this could kill him, just like the many children who are harmed by huffing glue. Making the faux-pot illegal simply because the child used a plastic implement to smoke it is stupid.
But, marijuana is not harmless--it is harmful--and citing studies and articles that you do not understand or acting as though Wikipedia is a be-all and end-all is also stupid. Since you don't understand what you are talking about, have the common courtesy to educate yourself when someone tells you something that you don't care to hear. Please do not bore everyone by citing pro-marijuana propaganda--okay?
I'm game for legalizing marijuana as long as anybody who smokes it has to buy high-risk insurance. I'm game for allowing people to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol as long as they do the same. Any time somebody engages in behavior known to be detrimental to one's health, they should not be pooled in with people who take care of their health.
anyone else notice how the article is so vague that it doesn't really tell you anything. did he have the lung transplant earlier or after smoking the make pot. what did he die from? for all this article really says explicitly the boy could have died from a drunk driver hitting him after he recovered... I feel like the writers at msn are trying to word things in a way to make you think what they want you to think more so than the facts...
Yeah, I am thinking it was from the plastic also. I mean what kind of a stupid kid who smoke something from plastic? I mean don't kids know plastic melt when heated? I guess not.
He used a candy (pez) dispenser, really? How in the hell do you smoke with a candy dispenser?
Of course, the more logical approach would be to not abuse any kinds of drugs at all.
You mean like cayenne pepper? If marijuana is a drug, then so is cayenne. So is caffeine. So are thousands of other substances we use every single day. Even boiling and freezing water can both kill quickly - and that's not even taking into consideration the drowning risk. Where do we draw the line?
You smoke plastic, expect that your lungs will be damaged. This is just the regimes propaganda piece pushing to regulate and control something else with yellow journalism. The government needs to go and their propaganda arm needs to go too.
I see the mainstream media is still leading people astray who aren't smart enough to read, comprehend and draw logical conclusions. All this talk about marijuana and it wasn't even the reason the boy died.
This article should be flagged as inaccurate but MSNBC is the entity that posted it. MSNBC credibility = 0
David-Did you read ANY of the article? He got chemical burns on his lungs from smoking out of plastic (probably not the from the synthetic pot). He had a lung transplant because they had chemical burns. When one has any type of transplant he or she has to take anti-rejection drugs so the body doesn't try to fight off the new part. Anti-rejection drugs lower your immunity to infections. He died from an infection that his body couldn't fight off (because he was taking anti-rejection drugs). Except for the majority opinion about what actually caused the burns, it's all in there!
I didn't read most of the comments here, but first and foremost, HE WAS SMOKING IT FROM A PLASTIC CANDY DISPENSER and people wonder WHY he sustained chemical burns to his lungs...
I agree with a lot of people when I say Legalize the Real Stuff... Not the synthetic man-made crap. Legalize it, and it can get rid of the synthetic!
I feel bad for the parents, loosing a kid is never easy not is it supposed to be. A kid has all their life to prepare for the loss of their parents, but the parents have NO time to prepare for the loss of their child. Prayers go out to them.
After saying all that, I may be a cold, callous, hypocrite for saying this, but I think the kid deserves a darwin award.
There has never been a toxic level of THC established for humans.
The receptors in the brain get completely saturated. And it has little effect on the body. So after a certain point, very little hapens.
The Gov't would never do a study on THC because they wouldn't be able to find anything that could scare the public.
As far as burning plastic, it is very toxic.
I implore those of you out in the country to not burn any trash with any amount of plastic. It's bad for you and your neighbors. I know you want to be a good neighbor, right?
As far as legalization: we have the highest percentage of our population locked up in the world. Not Iran, China, or North Korea.
Land of the Free?
And everyday we let out murderors, rapists, and child molesters because there is no room to hold them all.
I'm from Texas, Pro Death Penalty. I'm not soft on crime. But we simply have to be smarter about who we lock up. Trading years off a rapists sentence in order to hold someone else on offenses without victims is lunacy.
Totally agree with all the preceding comments regarding the fact that this story has absolutely nothing to do with pot - synthetic or otherwise. Shamefully misleading headline.
It's certainly a tragic tale, and my heart goes out to this boy's family. Frankly, I'm disgusted that the Governor - and the author of this article - would manipulate and twist this poor family's personal tragedy into egregiously ignorant political propaganda.
You mean like cayenne pepper? If marijuana is a drug, then so is cayenne. So is caffeine. So are thousands of other substances we use every single day. Even boiling and freezing water can both kill quickly - and that's not even taking into consideration the drowning risk. Where do we draw the line?
Is this a real example of the logic of a pot head?
"Boiling water kills, so we should make marijuana legal" "Caffeine is okay, so we should make marijuana legal" "Cayenne pepper is legal, so marijuana should be too"
I accidently liked your comment before I read it all. Now I feel as stupid as you actually are.
I vape my weed so yeah, it is completely harmless for me. Why don't you actually do some research and stop"cherry picking" facts out yourself. Joe Rogan would kick your face in if you said all that crap to him.
Let's focus on the dangers of the substances that are far worse than marijuana(like alcohol and chronic tobacco use), BEFORE wasting money on punishing those who use a less harmful substance.
There are no studies that show anyone who smokes only marijuana( just enough to get the THC into their systems, not those who over do it all day long), are putting themselves at a high risk of health problems. Eating healthy products made with marijuana, is just as safe(or safer) than eating most of the variety of junk food sold at every corner convenience store.
Obviously, you can abuse it by smoking way too much. Smoke does damage the lungs in a large enough quantity
The bottom line is:
If you are okay with alcohol and tobacco being legal, don't be a hypocrite and be against making marijuana legal.
Rick, as much cayenne pepper as I've eaten (standard in Louisiana kitchens), I would never think to smoke it or whatever one does with it. The same with nutmeg and cinnamon, I love to bake with it, use cinnamon on oatmeal, but I will not smoke/sniff or whatever people do to get high. I don't understand the concept of using spices to get high nor do I care to.
My heart felt condolences to the Family. Reaction is typical Knee-jerk; find something, anything and ban it, outlaw it, even if it does no more than make a Politician look proactive.
To basedrum; My Brother is a prominent Attorney in Chicago who pulled down over $750,000 net last Year. My Brother is also a MENSA member, graduated top of his Class at Cornell. My Brother is 60 Years old and has smoked MJ since he was a Teenager(regularly) and he is no Academic slouch. I would just love for you to sit down with him and discuss your "facts". I believe it would be both intense and amusing to witness...LOL!
The idea that the synthetic pot had nothing to do with it and that pot should be legalized because that would have made all the difference in this case is more than a bit naive. If the child had not been trying to get high off the synthetic pot, he would not have smoked it. People, including children, will still continue to try to get high off of pot whether or not the substance is legal, just like people knowing it is legal to drink and illegal to drink and drive still drink entirely too much, drive, and kill themselves and/or others every day, just like they drink entirely too much daily and poison their bodies, just like people know it is legal to smoke cigarettes even though it is believed that smoking leads to all manner of health issues and premature death and continue to smoke despite what may be best for them.
People who seek pleasure from consuming substances, anything, legal or not, even the benign like chocolate cake and pizza, find themselves dying from the substance, but their personal inability to be responsible and live in moderation. This child died because he sought a high.
It will sound cruel, but how many cancer patients could have used those spare lungs that went to waste on this kid who made a poor choice because he wanted to get high?
Lu, you are not being cruel. You are being logical. It's like when a rich person gets an organ that a poor person could use, or when a celeb gets a new kidney when a person who has been waiting for one desperately gets bumped to the head of the line.
It could have been Pot, Oregano, Tobacco, Grass, Synthetic Marijuana, or a Steak and it would have not mattered. Regardless of how they use the information, it would have been a great idea to inform this young person that plastics, when burned, produce toxins which are extremely harmful to the human body when inhaled.
My parents actually taught me about chemicals and the dangers of mixing certain ones at a very young age. I knew also that plastics were not to be thrown into fires (fireplace, bonfire, campfire) Unfortunately this has nothing whatsoever to do with illegal or legal drugs and this author would have been much more informative and opened a proper debate if he had led with the dangers of chemical reactions and the importance of educating our young people of the dangers that lie within. He could have gone further to address that parents and social clubs for young people (i.e. brownies, cub scouts, webelos, boy and girl scouts) do or don't help educate them. The author could have recommended places that do, and call for education from those that don't do enough.
Make the right decision and teach our children the dangers that are out there in a positive and informative way. Do not consistantly deride the symptom and ignore the cause.
Legal or not has nothing to do with this kid's death. There is no evidence whatsoever that if pot was legal, he would have smoked that instead of what he did smoke. He was 13, he wouldn't have been able to legally get weed anyways.
So please, ditch the legalization rhetoric and quit trying to make this kid's death your cause célèbre.
All this poor kid did was smoke something that killed him. Pot alone would not have done that. Kids do dumb things. It's every parents nightmare that one of those stupid things takes a loved one from you.
You're right, pot alone wouldn't do that... However, pot being smoked out of plastic will do that. He didnt die from pot (because he didnt smoke pot) but he also didnt die from smoking synthetic pot. He died from smoking plastic. It has nothing to do with pot OR synthetic pot. It was the plastic.
Rick, as much cayenne pepper as I've eaten (standard in Louisiana kitchens), I would never think to smoke it or whatever one does with it. The same with nutmeg and cinnamon, I love to bake with it, use cinnamon on oatmeal, but I will not smoke/sniff or whatever people do to get high. I don't understand the concept of using spices to get high nor do I care to.
You miss my point. I'm not talking about getting high off of it, I'm talking about regular use of cayenne in cooking, to spice up the food. The reaction one gets is the body responding to being attacked by a foreign substance. Runny nose, watery eyes, burning mouth: all those symptoms designed to purge the foreign intruder. The pepper oil itself is the defense mechanism the plant uses to deter animals, bugs - people - from harming the fruit which contains the seeds to propogate its offspring. We just know it as pepper; but nature had a completely different intention for it to just be something to spice up people food. If bee stings were tasty, we'd eat them. We use these foreign substances to do something to our bodies that woudn't have been achieved without the introduction of the substance. Pot makes you high; pepper burns your mouth. Both affect you, both are natural, one is illegal - the other is a staple. Maybe law enforcement would be more tolerant if they could figure out a way to make a weapon out of pot the way they've designed weapons out of pepper. Wouldn't you agree?
When they banned alcohol people made moonshine that could fuel a plane. With marijuana banned kids are smoking synthetic chemical laced crap out of pez dispensers. Not advocating that a 13 year old toke up, legal or not, but if he smoked the real thing out of a glass pipe the kid would be sitting in a classroom right now instead of being dead. The legality argument has nothing to do with the will of the people and everything to do with politics and pharmaceutical corporate influence.
The title of the article is misleading on purpose. He didn't die from smoking synthetic pot, and it isn't about whether it should be legalized or not (even if the real stuff was legal, there would be an age limit such as alcohol or tobacco, so it would still be illegal since the boy was only 13). He died from an infection that developed after the anti-rejection medicine weakened his immune system. He had a double lung transplant caused by chemical burns he developed after smoking the pot, synthetic or not, from a plastic tube. The type of plastic used for pez dispensers are chock full of dangerous chemicals, and he sucked the vapor from that directly into his lungs.
The majority of comments I have read so far are absolutely ignorant of the article and its contents. Read before you comment.
I agree. This has nothing to do with the substance and everything to do with why he thought smoking something out of a plastic tube was a smart thing to do. We all did stupid things as teenagers, but I knew from a VERY young age that burning plastic = bad idea to inhale. The smell alone tells you it is a bad idea.
Any, it had nothing to do with what he was smoking. The weed, synthetic or otherwise didn't kill him. The melting plastic he inhaled into his lungs were what killed him.
What are they teaching kids in schools today? Besides Sex ed and History of Homosexuality that is. I've never heard of anything so stupid.
Sorry for the family, but sounds like natural selection to me. If you are stupid enough to smoke something out of plastic, then you get what's handed to you. Don't try to pollute the article with synthetic drugs killed him, it was smoking plastic and his body rejecting the organs transplanted (lungs).
You can't smoke plastic!!! That's what damaged his lungs. The stuff he was smoking isn't anything like real pot, but it doesn't matter because smoking plastic will kill you.
It is amazing how many people I know smoke weed regularly and still hold down a good job, pay their bills, and lead productive lives. I have buried more friends due to booze.
@canttakenomore you are right there is no such thing as synthetic pot if the pharmaceutical companies could synthesise it they could patent it and they wouldn't be funding anti-pot legislation.
"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperence. It is a species of intemperence within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded"
I am sure you are just little miss perfection on a stick who has never made a single bad decision nor taken a single foolish risk. Fortunately, you are here on the interwebs and can make sure everyone is aware of your superiority. Thanks for the public service.
story - i'm picturing michelle getting hammered on booze, with cig dangling from lips yelling "pot smokers, just pure trash" as she trips over nothing and curses at the earth for making her stumble - but ensures she doesnt spill a drop of her drink.
man you people are idiots. She's right, if this kid doesn't have the brain to know putting fire to plastic will burns your lungs, then its better off he's gone now as opposed to doing something equally as stupid that could have killed others. You know, like, passing around his plastic toy pipe with his fake weed...
Anyone know of someone else dying from chemical burns to the lungs? Seems like this is the only way to. If you die in a fire it's smoke inhalation/fire, usually.
Another Darwin award candidate repeating the same comment they have seen on countless other stories ever since that cold-blooded woman wrote that book. Come up with an orignal thought if you can.
@ baddog - Please don't insult Christians by inferring that michelle may be one - a true Christian would not condemn or judge this poor kid for his unfortunate choice.
As a safety professional, with hazardous materials response and rescue training, qualifications to be an OSHA Inspector I find your comment disturbing. Hundreds if not thousands of people every year are exposed to chemicals and receive chemical burns to the lungs. Some from things as simple as what is under your sink at home. Please do not pontificate about issues you have no understanding of. Your ignorance is far more dangerous than the insults hurled at the deserving. Feel free to suspend me.
Even if they legalized pot, that child would still have had to come up with plan B based on his age. Granted, he probably could have stolen some from his parents. And would anything have changed? Nope. He'd still have used the plastic pipe. And he'd still be just as gone.
I had pharmaceutical cocaine sprayed down my throat one time by a physician. It was in a controlled environment in controlled doses (three of them over a period of a week). Any idea how much money the US could make if it legalized coke? Tons. Does that mean it should be legalized? Nope.
Just because we aren't winning the battle doesn't mean we should concede the war.
When I was in school drugs were easier to obtain than beer or liquor. You had to show a valid ID to buy booze, but all you needed to buy drugs was cash. If they legalized pot the local dealers would go out of business.
As far a cocaine goes it was easier to buy at school as well.
Bravo! Keep the pressure on the youth. The frontal lobe of a teenager has not developed so rational behavior(right and wrong) has not been defined. Fear and conditioning are preventative measures. Scientifically speaking. Other options work on a smaller portion of youth but they are just variations of the above. Don't go overboard with the statement or take it to a level of abuse. If you do then I am sorry the words scared you.
The frontal lobe of a teenager has not developed so rational behavior(right and wrong) has not been defined.
Thank you!! This is why teens engage in risky behavior even after being told of the dangers and consequences. This is why teens jump off bridges for fun and drive fast and mouth off to authority.
It is our job as adults to constantly remind them of the possible outcomes of their decisions. Our silence is just compliance and that is a total let down to them. Will they listen? Some will and some won't. But we have a responsilblity to speak the truth as it will begin to make perfect sense when their brains mature.
Woodierae, by that line of though, all the war on drugs has ever done is interrrupt supply lines once in a while, and taken out a few members of the opposing army. No battle has ever been won by our government. The war on drugs is a waste of people, time, and resources. It is draining our country dry by means of 1,000 paper cuts. It is also giving the black market reason to sell illicit drugs to our citizens. It needs to stop now...
The boy smoked the fake marijuana out of a plastic candy dispenser and suffered chemical burns to both lungs.
You think maybe he got chemical burns from, oh, I don't know, smoking out of a plastic candy dispenser? What if he had been smoking tobacco out of a plastic candy dispenser, why don't they outlaw tobacco then?
Exactly. This story's title is extremely dishonest because the fake marijuana itself had nothing to do with the death. The chemical burns from the plastic container he used to smoke it in addition to his body rejecting a double lung transplant is what caused his death. I hate it when writers sensationalize the story with a misleading title to increase viewership.
Also, I have to wonder if half the people responding to this article actually read anything beyond the title before posting...
Exactly. Everone else (including the state governor and the author of this article) seemed to miss the fact that he smoke out of a plastic candy dispenser. Do we really not believe that inhailing the plastic fumes and molten bits of plastic might have had something to do with the CHEMICAL BURNS in his lungs?
PEZ Dispensers, by themselves, are harmless. I've got the perfect solution: we should ban the sale of PEZ dispensers and lighters in the same store! Or if that seems too ridiculous or difficult to enforce, we should focus on being better parents to our kids so they never try something so stupid.
K2, also known as "fake marijuana," is a mixture of herbal and spice plant products that is sprayed with a potent psychotropic drug, and, according to Scalzo, contaminated with a toxic substance. The toxic substance JWH 018, a synthetic man-made drug that is similar to cannabis, may be responsible for the hallucinations.
Seems to me the cause of the kid's death is blamed entirely on the plastic. I'm not so sure this is the case.
Are you kidding me? If the title read, "Teen Dies After Smoking Plastic Candy Dispenser", that would have been the first article I clicked on this morning! When I read the actual headline, I knew it was probably some misleading tripe but was somewhat curious to know how the kid actually died.
Now I know: Teen Dies After Smoking Plastic Candy Dispenser.
WoodieRae, I assure you that you can safely be sure it was the plastic. Had he ingested the incense and then decided to use a pez for a pipe under its influence, I might side with you. The fact is that our government expends a tremendous effort to tell kids and parents how potentially dangerous some rather benign substances are, but it does not bother to explain that burning plastic can be fatal. It may be common sense to us not to inhale plastic fumes, but I would venture to say most people wouldn't expect a small dose of fumes to cause death, even if they know it's unhealthy. If you want to blame something besides plastic, how about collective stupidity funded by your taxes.
In reply to WoodieRae-3499404's comment.. If you used a little common sense you would realize that people would be dropping like flies if it was the synthetic marijuana. As of now there is 1 case of someone dying and that case being smoked from plastic!
yep, like smoking anything using a PLASTIC TOY...it wasn't the fake pot that killed the kid, it was his ignorance on the dangers of burning plastic and inhaling the fumes
OUTLAW PLASTIC KIDDIE TOYS!!!!!!!!
Typical misleading headlines of the Biased Infotainment Propaganda Networks...
well kids are gonna do stupid things regardless, but more than likely he would have been able to get ahold of a pipe and weed if they were readily available, not that i advocate the use of drugs or alcohol by a minor. But really, would you rather him smoke plastic or weed?
Mostly, what we should be looking at is the fact that a kid that had a double lung transplant was smoking anything at all. Where were his parents?
Kids smoke weed already - have been for decades....lol @!$%# happens. Making it legal will not really change that. I would not allow a 13 year old to smoke weed even if it was legal....it's just stupid.
AW-I think you have your timeline wrong. He didn't get the transplant and THEN smoke the stuff. He smoked the stuff first and that caused the chemical burns that resulted in the transplant.
I put this in the same bucket as drinking. Kids are recklessly fearless, and if legalization is a better solution treat it like alcohol....teach kids the dangers early and hopefully prevent senseless deaths.
That is NOT the point of legalization, Tina!!! (I'm referring to your OP, not your subsequent posts) Legalization is not about reducing abuse of weed, it is about reducing the violence and chaos caused by black markets. In other words, about reducing all the negatives that are unique to ILLEGAL drugs but not legal ones. Drug abuse is a medical problem, but our laws do not reflect that currently.
People are still gonna abuse even if legalized, but notice that the employees of Anheuser Busch are not kidnapping & decapitating employees of Coor's Brewing over distribution rights, or smuggling weapons to use against each other like what was happening during Prohibition and currently at the border. Nor are employees of Pfizer kidnapping & decapitating employees of Merck.
Alcohol and prescription drugs are all as potentially damaging when abused as weed, but because they are legal, commerce in them does not create nearly the same degree of problems even though most have the potential to be far more destructive than weed.
Finally, the legal treatment of kids and weed does not change whatsoever under a legalization scenario, as no legalization advocate is saying it should be legal for minors.
The kids are still gonna do stupid things regardless, but I'm more concerned that our current legal approach to weed is creating an enormous black market that adds an entire, far more insidious level of chaos, gang warfare, anarchy, and death than weed ever could by itself.
This is the lesson of Prohibition: that the violence and chaos associated with black markets for drugs are far more destructive to society than the drugs themselves. It was Abraham Lincoln who said that prohibition "goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes."
Au contraire regarding prescription drugs my friend....lol But I'm pretty sure the drug cartels are not the monsters they are because of....weed. I'm thinking they are more reliant on heroin, meth, coke trafficking....you know, the ones that really should never even be around ;)
Not sure what you're saying regarding prescription drugs. I know what au contraire means ("on the contrary") but don't understand what I said about prescription drugs that you're saying "on the contrary" to. :-P
I hear you that legalizing weed-only might not have the same degree of dramatic effect on the cartels that full accross-the-board legalization would, but there is no question it would be dramatic. The market for weed is so much more huge than for the others.
I'm also not sure I oppose full legalization, (although I do think we should start slow with just weed and see how it goes). Why? Because I don't know about you, but the main reason I haven't tried meth, coke, heroin, etc has nothing to do with their legal status and everything to do with what I know, through EDUCATION, about their effects. It was always their effects that scared me, never the thought that I might get caught. These things would still be illegal for minors even under full legalization, and I simply don't see adults flocking to these substances simply because they're suddenly legal. Those adults that do? They're free to destroy their lives as far as I'm concerned.
actually the drug cartels make the most money from marijuana... followed then by human and weapon smuggling... and then its other drugs. Learn your facts please.
And finally... the kid died from smoking from a BPA laden plastic PEZ dispenser.
He could have been smoking freshly cut grass from a lawnmower and still have died because it was the BPAs being released from the PEZ dispenser that killed him!
That is hilarious....but you need to do some fact checking...thanks for the "tip" though. Do your homework...heroin, coke, opiates, meth...yes there is some trafficking of weed - but seriously - no one is making big money on weed. Funny though. Look it up.
Mexico has legalized weed along with just about everything else for personal consumption back in 2009. Everything I've ever read about legalizing has failed to take this into consideration. How do you think it is working for Mexico?
It is not working for Mexico, because heir domestic drug consumption is irrelevant when compared to the gigantic demand north of the border. This HAS helped Mexico in several ways, one of which is removing arrest discretion from individual officers, which was a major point of corruption.
Tina--
You may want to look up "confirmation bias." The marijuana profits as a portion of cartel operations is well documented, and was even recently a subject on a couple of NPR programs, after a huge pot field was busted in California. But, in the interest of shock value and to promote fear, talking heads in this country continue to use Hearst's strategy of Yellow Journalism, promoting images of drug-crazed psychopaths and the mayhem and doom that would come from legalization. Of course, just a bit of logic would help you greatly; the market for pot is several hundred times the size of that for cocaine, heroin or most other import drugs. It is also much cheaper to produce, since it requires no refining, or dangerous chemicals or threat of serious accidents.
Tina, Tina, Tina...Seriously, you are evidently intelligent enough to use the internet but have never once stumbled over a story on the pounds of marijauna the drug cartels pack on the backs of people coming over the borders? You need to check your facts. Maybe check out a little site called You Tube.
Well, as a 73 year old woman who has lived intimately with persons who have smoked weed; the personality becomes wasted and anyone who says they can work productively is truly kidding themselves. As with alcohol and all the other drugs out there. Meth users flourish in my town as in any other; the teeth fallen out, the skeleton faces; the destruction on the organs in the body. Weed's effect on the lungs is more horrendous than cigarettes and cigarettes are bad enough. There are those who think drugs are necessary to get them through the day. Otherwise why do they use them. Medical reasons? Most of that reasoning is as broad as drinking alcohol or using meth or cocaine to solve humankinds problems. Keeping weed illegal is truly the only course in fighting for our kid's minds and eventual struggles as they begin to have to take care of themselves. All I do know is the damage that comes from the use. And don't tell me it isn't addictive. Again, then why is the demand so high for something that isn't addictive.
Again, then why is the demand so high for something that isn't addictive.
Demand for lobster is high, but that doesnt mean its addictive. Demand is high because people like it. Yea, people continue to use it, but that doesnt mean its addictive. It means that people like to use it. They dont suffer withdrawal symptoms when they dont have it.
Jeansplace, "weed's" effect on lungs is NOT more horrendous than cigarettes nor is its effects ANYTHING remotely close to the damage caused by long-term usage of meth, cocaine and alcohol. There are LOTS of people who smoke weed and are very productive such as myself. Let's not just make up stuff because we don't like a behavior or substance.
My drug of choice is chocolate. I eat it sniff it, snort it, shoot it up and roll around in it naked. Ok, not really.
Poor kid. And that's really what we're talking about here is a KID. Whether or not this or that is legal or whatever, kids do dumb things. Look what they're doing with bath salts now. It's something we can all learn from. Watch your kids, know who they're with, and what they're doing and talk to them about these things and hope it doesn't happen to anyone else.
You don't know how right you are! Your pleasure from eating that ribeye is created by dopamine and serotonin being released in your brain. Smoking weed, eating a good steak, whatever, it's all about the dopamine and the serotonin. Any craving, at the end of the day, is about reproducing the pleasure experienced when our brain releases dopamine and serotonin. Everyone who desires happiness is essentially a drug addict. A very specific subset of drugs known as neurotransmitters.
With all due respect, the headline should read, "Teen dies after inhaling burnt plastic." The synthetic marijuana in this regard is irrelevant. He could have smoked cloves or nutmeg or whatever else kids read about on the internet to get a high and the same thing would likely have occurred.
stupidity should be painful...and in his case it was.pity his parents with all there medical bills now...unless a welfare case...then i pity us workers.
While this is obviously related to his pre-existing illness, I can guarantee that this wouldn't happen if marijuana were legal. This "fake" stuff simply wouldn't exist in the first place. At what point do we demand common sense from our lawmakers???? Stop this insane war on drugs... it's futile and dangerous. This is just ONE example of how prohibition CREATES crime and death.
"Gov. Tom Corbett signed a law outlawing such substances a few days after the boy became ill. The ban took effect in August."... Yeah, and that really helped. All it does it make that product more lucrative and enticing.
Our government tells us that marijuana is illegal and dangerous. Kids see that as ludicrous (just as most adults do), so the government loses all credibility. Oh, now they ban a "fake" marijuana... so that ALSO must be fine. But, sadly, it isn't fine.
it would have happened if he was smoking real marijuana... because it HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE WAS SMOKING, BUT RATHER WHAT HE WAS SMOKING IT OUT OF!!!!!!
ITS THE PEZ DISPENSER RELEASING BPAS WHEN HEATED UP THAT KILLED HIM!!!
While I do mostly agree with you, I would like to point out that this kid did not die from smoking synthetic marijuana. This could have easily happened even if it were legal... He died because he smoked a substance (doesnt matter what that substance is) out of plastic. The plastic is what killed him, not the substance.
Agreed. It is incredibly tiring watching everyone blame the evil marijuana and its synthetics while the real culprit is being avoided. Plastic contains carcinogens so use glass!!
It is tragic that a child has died. But, I hate the headline. To me, he did NOT die because of smoking the Synthetic Marijuana, he died because he smoked it from a Plastic Pipe.
So many people will read that headline thinking that it was because of the synthetic pot, but really, if you click on the link you find out the real reason. I can't stand how they manipulate the general public.
Better outlaw those heinous candy dispensers too while they're at it, another gateway substance. I suspect the plastic dispenser released the most dangerous toxins. Seroiusly, no one should be smoking at 13, that's way too young. Pot should be legal because it is a god given sacrement. That synthetic crap wouldn't have a market, decent people wouldn't be incarcerated at over $30k/yr of tax dollars, and cut out the drug cartels main source of cash and reasons for violence.
Shame on you MSNBC for your sensational headline! The kid died from smoking the pot through a plastic toy, not from the pot itself. I'm not an advocate for this crap and could care less whether it's legal or not.
In an era where we have to wade through "yellow press" on a daily basis to get to the facts it's disheartening to have a respected news source such as yourself stoop to the tactics employed by the likes of "Fox & Friends"! You'll see that there will be plenty more like me who will be as offended as I am!
If the synthetic cannabis truly caused the burns, there would almost certainly be many similar instances, but that isn't the case. On the other hand, if the chemical burns resulted from smoking something out of a plastic candy dispenser, that's a different matter altogether, the synthetic cannabis being irrelevant. As written, the article is vague, perhaps deliberately so.
I've smoked synthetic marijuana for 2 years regularly and haven't exhibited one single side effect. The problem here is that the kid was an idiot and smoked the plastic.
Nice Nick. I'm assuming you never did one stupid thing in your life. That is until you made such an unbelievably heartless comment about a dead child. You smoke synthetic marijuana, why? Because you're so smart?
Lemon shut your filthy mouth- read all the other comments on this page. You probably like to get drunk right? but you're going to judge me for doing the same thing. Go smoke some plastic-
Not trying to be rude, but the kid really was an idiot... Im sorry he died and all, but he did smoke plastic... Thats not something a smart person would do. Also, there is nothing inherrantly wrong with smoking marijuana, and some people cant because they get drug tested. Their way around that is to use the synthetic marijuana. The sad part is that the synthetic marijuana is legal, whereas marijuana (which is much better in every way besides legality) is illegal.
it could have been real pot and he still would have died
it was the pez dispenser that killed him... anything that he chose to smoke would not have stopped those bpas from being released into his lungs!!!!!!!!!!!!
And people wonder why kids are this stupid? Let's see, did his parents ever talked to him about drugs, or ever talked to him at all. And people get upset about this types of talks in school in PE/health class?
Outlaw pez. Seriously, I wonder how stupid some kids are. When I was small, I remember we used to get those plastic pipes that came with the set for blowing bubbles and when you put the solution in the pipe, it always ended up with a bit in your mouth and the stuff had an awful taste. I knew the pipe was for blowing bubbles (soap kind). I honestly wouldn't think to put tobacco in that pipe to smoke. So what is the disconnect with these kids.
valhallaarwen - there is a fundamental flaw in your basic assumption - today you cannot assume there are parents - plural, and you almost have to assume that the only parent provided him with the substance..... the kid was 13, his mother was probably 29, he probably never met his father and it is likely his mother only met his father once...... we live in a time where responsibility is completely out the window and viewing things from what most would consider a traditional perspective is naive at best.
Yes, I don't know if there are parents, plural, and I don't assume that the parent gave him the substance. Yes, I do realize that people do not take responsibility for their actions. I disagree that this is a time where responsibility is out the window. That has always happened, the difference is we are exposed to it more and more due to the internet.
In 1960 - 5% of kids were born out of wedlock, 40% today..... yeah that seems responsible...............all rights, no responsibilities - responsibilities are someone else's problem and merely an unconfirmed rumor anyway......
Another death due to these ridiculous laws. Just legalize it and there is no more death!
agreed - anyone else catch the part where he smoked it from a plastic tube.
Chemical burns to the lung.
Plastic is made of chemicals - and when light with a lighter, would release those chemicals.
Im thinking its not the synthetic pot - though im not ruling it out. I'm just thinking, cigarrettes are laden with chemicals, but when smoked...the dont burn lungs.
Legal or not, it wouldn't be legal for a 13 yr old, I would assume, so this danger would persist.
What this kid was smoking was not marijuana. It was fake weed made in a lab from lawn clippings and other herbs with chemicals added to it. What this kid was smoking is actually legal because it did not contain a controlled substance. Apparently manufacturers can make whatever drugs they want as long as it does not contain a controlled substance which creates a whole other debate.
AGREE
Make it legal. Tax it. Put half the tax profits into education. It will eliminate the fake weed crap. And as mentioned he most likely died because he smoked plastic. If could have been tobacco and the same would have happened. I know way more kids who have died from alcohol then smoking plastic. Maybe ban alcohol also right?????
philly - like cigarettes? checkmate.
Why did they let two other people die by giving this punk two lungs after he did something illegal?????
Nope, you are correct. The chemical burns were caused by polycarbonates releasing chlorine gas and hydrogen sulfide gas when heated near the flash point. The synthetic pot was irrelevant. A Pez dispenser --- really. Even a 13-year-old should have known better than to tru to smoke anything out of something that melts easily. Sorry, but the article was biased and improper journalism that just doesn't want to acknowledge another death blamed on BPA.
Jessica-exactly like cigarettes. Notice how quick that governor banned that "synthetic pot?" Why not ban cigarettes while he's at it? Makes no sense to me.
At Prohibition......what kind of logic did you use to arrive at your conclusion?
I'm guessing the line of thinking was that if you legalize marijuana, there wouldn't be a need for any kind of potentially dangerous synthetic marijuana.
However, it's probably safe to say that the plastic tube that was used to smoke that synthetic stuff is what actually caused the chemical burns on his lungs and not the marijuana. It must've been like putting your mouth over a cars tail pipe while the motor was running.
Phillyfan---he doesn't ban it because the makers of the synthetic pot do not contribute to his political campaign.......
The death is blamed on an infection resulting from a weakened immune system that was caused by anti-rejection drugs following his lung transplant.
The lung transplant was necessitated by the use of a plastic device.
The article was written in such a way as to gloss over these two facts, and appear to blame a substance that had nothing to do with the child's death, resulting in a bunch of people jumping into the comment section to either blame the substance as well, or blame the lawmakers.
And you all fell for it.
what idiot smokes out of a plastic tube???thats what killed him not the synthetic garbage. Use an apple next time, they work great. Pencile through the top and one though the side to connect the two and its ready set LIGHT. Then when u get then munchies u can eat the apple and the evidence.
Let me correct my last statement...he doesn't ban cigarettes because the tobacco manufactures DO contribute to his political campaign....
Lizzie...
First, it was NOT illegal at the time, and is still legal in many places. (Up until a few months ago you could buy it in the mini-marts here)
Second, he was THIRTEEN. We all do dumb stuff at that age, just most of us don't end up paying for it with our lives. For you to call him a punk says FAR more about you than about him. He was a child, and curious, just like any other 13 year old. I feel sorry for you that you are so narrow minded that you can find no compassion for a thirteen year old child.
Lets be real this teen died from smoking Plastic. Plastic is toxic. I don't care what you smoke it could be bunny tears, if you smoke it from a plastic tube your going to get ill and could die.
Should have made smoking plastic illegal instead.
How does one smoke bunny tears I wonder...
Kelly- You are probably right. Cigarettes kill people, but the government cannot afford to lose the revenue from taxes on cigarettes. Anyone want to argue that cigarettes don't kill people? Why are cigarettes legal and marijuana illegal? Alcohol as well.
No, another death due to terminal stupidity.
Legal, synthetic weed = poisonous death.
Illegal, natural cannabis = medicine with no possibility of overdose and a proven track record for safety.
Hmmm.... Yup. Our drug policies are back-assward!
Right on slugbait... anyone that is taken any kind of chemistry course knows that heating plastic and inhaling the vapors is highly toxic... I don't know why they are calling it synthetic pot... when it has nothing to do with pot... its incense and grass clippings sprayed with a newly synthetic drug that has a similar chemical composition of acid (LSD)... it was perfectly legal for that kid to purchase it... just goes to show how backward our controlled substance laws are.. Pot is illegal because it is highly medicinal and has anti-cancer properties and it can't be patented by drug companies.. they want to keep it illegal so they can continue to sell their expensive pills that kill people more annually than pot ever has.
@Jessica: You know that everything is chemicals, right?
@phillyfan: How can you argue that smoking cigarettes kill people (and imply that smoking marijuana does not)? I'd go as far to say that any time smoke goes into the lungs, whether it's from cigarettes, campfires, or napalm, it is carcinogenic and damages the lungs. If a person smokes pot, I guarantee you they are damaging their lungs and making themselves just as susceptible to emphysema, lung cancer, and other related diseases. The only difference between tobacco and marijuana smokes is that tobacco smokers frequently smoke a pack a day or more, as compared to marijuana smokers who would go broke smoking that volume.
If a person smoked one cigarette a week, they probably wouldn't die.
He was 13. People do lots of stupid things at 13 but most are lucky enough to live through them. My sympathy to his family and friends. A life cut way too short because someone needed to make a buck.
I'd suggest brushing up on your reading comprehension. It was legal when he did it.
And the illegal cannabis wouldn't have harmed him.
Matt- then why are cigarettes legal? You switched from cigarettes to tobacco. If cigarettes contained pure tobacco it would be different would it not? How many people do you know have died from smoking marijuana? Last time I checked it can be prescribed to patients with cancer....how many cancer patients have been prescribed cigarettes?
I will also add these questions...Have you ever had a cigarette brownie/cookie/rice krispie treat? Cigarette pill? Tobacco butter?
First off, my condolances to the family(ies) affected by this story. So I got a problem with the legalize it crap. Are you telling me that people who routinely dodge the law will sign up in droves to pay the taxes on their weed that legalization "experts" say will balance the budget? Hell no they won't. it will be the same problem {illegal growing}, but different law broken {tax evasion instead of controlled substance}.
Also, a kid died. The first thing out of your mouth should be "sorry for your loss" not "legalize weed!" unless you are a cold heartless person. Should the kid have known better? Yeah. Still, a life ended. Show some compassion on your way to the @!$%#ing soapbox.
philly, you are stating that marijuana smoke is essentially "harmless," and I did not say that it had no benefits. Clearly not the same argument, and you're constructing ridiculous analogies to try to undermine the point. My point was entirely about volume.
I've got an idea: smoke 1/4 oz. of marijuana per day, every day. That's about the same amount of tobacco in one pack of cigarettes. Tell me how your lungs look after a year, let alone a lifetime.
I've never said I'm against legalization of marijuana. I'm merely against bad information being touted as facts, as if something being "natural" was inherently harmless and innocuous. Smoke, regardless of where it comes from, is bad for your lungs.
What a misleading title. It was clearly caused by smoking out of something plastic.
Lord Rob- yes, just ask the California clinics how many people have "signed up" to get pot legally. Matter of fact one clinic that was in the news very recently was ordered to pay about 2 million in taxes. I'm not going to address the rest of your comment because I am not nor will I ever be "PC" not to mention I am fairly certain the parents are not reading this discussion board.
Matt- I'd rather eat brownies because I actually agree with you in that any smoke in the lungs cannot be good for you.
It wasn't the fake weed, it was the cheap plastic candy dispenser he melted and inhaled. Since it was probably made in China, you can bet it was as toxic as it could get.
I'm not talking about the clinics and the state farms. I'm talking about John Nobody who grows it in their basement. I don't see my stoner friends running out to pay. and don't think that i'm against it. I'm not. Just trying to point out a flaw in the logic people have with the legalization issue.
So sad to see a 13 year old child lose his life! My sympathy for his family and friends. This isn't about weed or that knockoff synthetic BS either. Although the article is clearly slanted by an anti-MJ idiot the reality is its about a life lost due to lack of knowledge.
Lord Rob-You are so wrong on your basis of MJ legalization. Legalization will reduce price, increase access and safety and will also be a legit market. People would be free under legalization to grow their own or purchase from a retailer. No need for black market acquisition.
I'm sorry but people who are arguing for legalization are ignoring the facts right in front of you. Every pot smoker knows at least one person who has smoked too much weed and killed off enough brain cells that they are now functionally retarded. To argue that the science does not exist to prove that weed kills brain cells and is harmful to a person is ridiculous. Legalization will just exacerbate the problem of people smoking weed because then they'll argue that they should be able to smoke at work (as tabacco users do). Some judge somewhere will buy their argument and its off to the races. I don't think alcohol is any better but two wrongs....
Lord Rob- I see your point. If it is legal then there would be no issue with John Nobody growing his own, which would then negate him paying taxes on it. However, growing your own is expensive. Especially if you want good herb like the clinics have. Have to remember that not everyone has friends that grow and can get good herb easily.
Condolences to the family...but the headline should have been "Teen dies after smoking plastic".
Basedrum- First pot doesn't kill brain cells as a matter of fact there are studies reporting cannabis stimulates our cannibinoid receptors and strengthens brain cell activity. Asserting they do is ridiculous AND nonfactual.
Stupid people can smoke weed. Stupid people can also drink alcohol, milk, drive a car ect.. This argument is a non-sequitor of epidemic proportions.
Legalization doesn't increase use. Studies conducted in MJ friendly countries like Holland, Spain, Portugal, Jamaica ect.. prove this clearly.
Instead of regurgitating drug war propaganda educate yourself to the reality of cannabis.
You cant get drunk at work basedrum. Apply that same concept to smoking marijuana. Cant do it at work or you'll get fired. But on your own time...
Cannabis has psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The minimum amount of THC required to have a perceptible psychoactive effect is about 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight.[11] Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory,[12] psychomotor coordination, and concentration.
You should also post the effects of cigarettes and alcohol. Lets weigh the facts and determine which ones are worse shall we? Out of cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, which one has medicinal benefits?
And?
Ban plastic!!
I clearly stated above that I don't disagree that tabacco and alcohol could very well be worse for you in consumption. The issue becomes why would a society want the use of a drug to be "blessed" just becaus there are worse alternatives? That's like saying we should allow people to carry around crossbows because we allow people to carry guns.
I would compare crossbows and guns to cigarettes and alcohol before I would compare them to marijuana. Marijuana would be more like a pocket knife or pepper spray even. The main question is why are alcohol and cigarettes legal while marijuana is not.
Firstly,
I'm sensitive to this; I have a boy that age as well. My deepest sympathy to this boy's parents and family.
Secondly,
Not from smoking pot, it wouldn't. While I would - and do with my own kids - prohibit smoking pot at all before they are legal adults, the pot would have been a danger. I've never heard of anyone dying from pot smoke alone. I am not talking about accidents related to smoking pot such as operating a vehicle; simply the drug itself.
All this poor kid did was smoke something that killed him. Pot alone would not have done that. Kids do dumb things. It's every parents nightmare that one of those stupid things takes a loved one from you.
In a free society we should be able to do what we want as long as no one else is harmed. Hell we can bungee jump, sky dive, drive a car at 70mph, take big pharma drugs until we are blue and not breathing yet MJ a relatively harmless plant is subject to this draconian prohibitionist law. Why?
It can't be controlled by big pharma and the Prison industry who want prohibtion along with LEA-DEA, FBI, local/state LEA which use this as a funding mechanism.
All three have medical benefits sort of. Nicotine aids with some problems like irritable bowel syndrome... but the doc won't say smoke, he'll recommend a patch. Alcohol also has some medicinal purposes especially red wine for the heart but in a very small amount. Pot has a lot of uses. If I didn't have young kids and it was legal, I would use it for insomnia.
basedrum, why do you want to make everyone's choices for them? Yes, there may be worse alternatives that marijuana, and we don't ban them because we (thankfully, sometimes) don't legislate morality, or try and control peoples' behavior to be what we think is best. People will one way or another do what they want, and making laws against something that is well within someone's personal freedom of choice only creates instant criminals and a black market (ref: prohibition). It's a free country. If it doesn't harm you, let people do what they want, and teach your own kids what you think is best.
And as a follow-up, what a horrendous situation. It's a tragedy this young person inhaled burning plastic and ruined his lungs; I imagine the synthetic pot was the least of the problem. I very well got myself into dangerous situations at that age, but luckily lived and learned. I feel for his family, and can only imagine how it must tear them up to think what (if anything) they might have done or said to avoid this. Heartbreaking that he didn't make it, even after the transplant.
first of all why are you guys even debating marijuana... the kid died from bpa poisoning from a pez dispenser... While I admit that synthetic marijuana is probably worse than the real thing... it probably had nothing to do with his death. Smoking a plastic container can kill you. Smoking out of alumnium foil can cause alzheimers. theres a reason why people smoke either paper or a glass/wooden pipe... because the materials you smoke out of can effect your lungs.
Let this be a lesson to all you 13 yr olds, drugs kill duh!
That's just not true! If you eat 7 pounds of marijuana, it will kill you.
I say that no one should be allowed to have more than 7 lbs of marijuana in their possession. There is an overdose hazard. Someone might try to eat all 7 pounds. Of course, anything under 7 pounds should be perfectly legal.
To be safe, maybe we should limit it to 6 pounds.
Of course, the more logical approach would be to not abuse any kinds of drugs at all.
The article should have been titled" child dies after trying to circumvent paraphernalia laws" This kid does what all kids his age do - if something is illegal, they try to find something "similar" which is not illegal. At the time of this incident, nothing this child did was illegal. To smoke pot out of a glass pipe certainly would have been illegal. Of course, this child would be alive today. More blood on the hands of congress.
Harold, you left out half of the necessary information. 7 Lbs., over what period of time?
For those who smoke, you would have to smoke 1500 Lbs. of marijuana in fifteen minutes in order to overdose. As far as I know this has never been documented to have happened in human history. Aspirin and Tylonal are more dangerous.
Everyone keeps making the same comment that he was poisoned from smoking plastic and not synthetic pot, which is correct. But how many of you would have clicked on the headline if it stated "Teen dies from smoking out of a plastic device"???
Geez i've never heard of anyone dying from too much pot smokin. Make it legal and this kind of shyt won't happen. How many have to die before the government wakes up from crap like this. I'd much rather ride in a car with somebody that has been smoking than some fat cat drunk that drinks. MAKE POT LEGAL, it is less harmful the alchohol. This BS says it's a gateway drug. NO Alchohol is a gateway drug, does more harm to the body and brain and makes you DRUNK. Ever hear of anyone die from alchohol poisoning? You fat cats in DC got it backward. But i guess that is ok cause you can't stop drinking. Pot is beneficial to cancer victims or hiv patients. What good does alchohol do except make you forget about your problems.
@Greene Bean.....And a second hole on the side for the carb ;-)
basedrum777--Wow, you can quote from Wikipedia. Congratulations. You do realize that Wikipedia articles are written by the "masses"--and as we can see from this thread, people actually believe the garbage that is publicized via pro-legalization sites concerning marijuana.
Midnight Toker 4+20--Wow, you can cite "studies" that are being presented to you mostly by those who are in favor of making marijuana legal. Congratulations--now go read the actual study.
The authors of that study say regular cannabis users are known to suffer acute memory impairment, as well as dependency and withdrawal symptoms. Further, other studies show an increase of psychosis, schizophrenia, as well as an increase in the risk of cancer which is similar to that of tobacco (also a "natural herb," I'd like to point out).
The study found not that marijuana increases intelligence--they found, instead, that it causes neurons to regenerate in the hippocampus, an area that controls mood and emotions. It can function as an anti-depressant.
Let me translate that for you--marijuana can make a person an extremely happy moron. Yes, I think we knew that already.
Learn to use better sources, people, and learn to read the source all the way through yourself--don't just cherry-pick out the facts that you like and leave all the others alone.
Marijuana (well, the psychoreactive part of it--THC) is a drug--a drug like many others that is derived from plants. While it is not a demon weed that will inevitably lead to hard drug use, it is also not a common herb that has no harmful properties whatsoever and many beneficial properties. Marijuana, like aspirin or alcohol, has some beneficial properties. Consumed in excess or by the wrong person, it has detrimental properties.
Yes, this particular child died mostly from inhaling via a plastic pipe--he was just a child and probably had no idea that this could kill him, just like the many children who are harmed by huffing glue. Making the faux-pot illegal simply because the child used a plastic implement to smoke it is stupid.
But, marijuana is not harmless--it is harmful--and citing studies and articles that you do not understand or acting as though Wikipedia is a be-all and end-all is also stupid. Since you don't understand what you are talking about, have the common courtesy to educate yourself when someone tells you something that you don't care to hear. Please do not bore everyone by citing pro-marijuana propaganda--okay?
I'm game for legalizing marijuana as long as anybody who smokes it has to buy high-risk insurance. I'm game for allowing people to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol as long as they do the same. Any time somebody engages in behavior known to be detrimental to one's health, they should not be pooled in with people who take care of their health.
Why do they call it synthetic pot? It has none of the chemical properties of HEMP!
Propaganda?
anyone else notice how the article is so vague that it doesn't really tell you anything. did he have the lung transplant earlier or after smoking the make pot. what did he die from? for all this article really says explicitly the boy could have died from a drunk driver hitting him after he recovered...
I feel like the writers at msn are trying to word things in a way to make you think what they want you to think more so than the facts...
Drugs impair judgement. Impaired judgement leads to injury or death. Next.......
If I was the owner of the synthetic marijauna company I would sue the author, sue MSNBC, and I would win easily.
This kind of journalism panders to the ignorant in our society.
Shame on the author for using this kids death as a podium to launch self serving stupidity from.
Yeah, I am thinking it was from the plastic also. I mean what kind of a stupid kid who smoke something from plastic? I mean don't kids know plastic melt when heated? I guess not.
He used a candy (pez) dispenser, really? How in the hell do you smoke with a candy dispenser?
You mean like cayenne pepper? If marijuana is a drug, then so is cayenne. So is caffeine. So are thousands of other substances we use every single day. Even boiling and freezing water can both kill quickly - and that's not even taking into consideration the drowning risk. Where do we draw the line?
You smoke plastic, expect that your lungs will be damaged. This is just the regimes propaganda piece pushing to regulate and control something else with yellow journalism. The government needs to go and their propaganda arm needs to go too.
I see the mainstream media is still leading people astray who aren't smart enough to read, comprehend and draw logical conclusions. All this talk about marijuana and it wasn't even the reason the boy died.
This article should be flagged as inaccurate but MSNBC is the entity that posted it. MSNBC credibility = 0
David-Did you read ANY of the article? He got chemical burns on his lungs from smoking out of plastic (probably not the from the synthetic pot). He had a lung transplant because they had chemical burns. When one has any type of transplant he or she has to take anti-rejection drugs so the body doesn't try to fight off the new part. Anti-rejection drugs lower your immunity to infections. He died from an infection that his body couldn't fight off (because he was taking anti-rejection drugs). Except for the majority opinion about what actually caused the burns, it's all in there!
I didn't read most of the comments here, but first and foremost, HE WAS SMOKING IT FROM A PLASTIC CANDY DISPENSER and people wonder WHY he sustained chemical burns to his lungs...
I agree with a lot of people when I say Legalize the Real Stuff... Not the synthetic man-made crap. Legalize it, and it can get rid of the synthetic!
I feel bad for the parents, loosing a kid is never easy not is it supposed to be. A kid has all their life to prepare for the loss of their parents, but the parents have NO time to prepare for the loss of their child. Prayers go out to them.
After saying all that, I may be a cold, callous, hypocrite for saying this, but I think the kid deserves a darwin award.
There has never been a toxic level of THC established for humans.
The receptors in the brain get completely saturated. And it has little effect on the body. So after a certain point, very little hapens.
The Gov't would never do a study on THC because they wouldn't be able to find anything that could scare the public.
As far as burning plastic, it is very toxic.
I implore those of you out in the country to not burn any trash with any amount of plastic. It's bad for you and your neighbors. I know you want to be a good neighbor, right?
As far as legalization: we have the highest percentage of our population locked up in the world. Not Iran, China, or North Korea.
Land of the Free?
And everyday we let out murderors, rapists, and child molesters because there is no room to hold them all.
I'm from Texas, Pro Death Penalty. I'm not soft on crime. But we simply have to be smarter about who we lock up. Trading years off a rapists sentence in order to hold someone else on offenses without victims is lunacy.
Totally agree with all the preceding comments regarding the fact that this story has absolutely nothing to do with pot - synthetic or otherwise. Shamefully misleading headline.
It's certainly a tragic tale, and my heart goes out to this boy's family. Frankly, I'm disgusted that the Governor - and the author of this article - would manipulate and twist this poor family's personal tragedy into egregiously ignorant political propaganda.
Is this a real example of the logic of a pot head?
"Boiling water kills, so we should make marijuana legal"
"Caffeine is okay, so we should make marijuana legal"
"Cayenne pepper is legal, so marijuana should be too"
okay....
Lizzie is an idiot. She actually thinks 2 people were killed for their lungs to be given to this boy.
If you grow for your OWN consumption, and not for profit, then you shouldn't be taxed.
Just like how it's legal in most states to make a certain amount of your own beer or wine for personal consumption, without a tax.
I agree that those who sell or make a profit on marijuana, should pay a type of income tax.
@Bean
I accidently liked your comment before I read it all. Now I feel as stupid as you actually are.
I vape my weed so yeah, it is completely harmless for me. Why don't you actually do some research and stop"cherry picking" facts out yourself. Joe Rogan would kick your face in if you said all that crap to him.
j70141:
How about using logic.
Let's focus on the dangers of the substances that are far worse than marijuana(like alcohol and chronic tobacco use), BEFORE wasting money on punishing those who use a less harmful substance.
There are no studies that show anyone who smokes only marijuana( just enough to get the THC into their systems, not those who over do it all day long), are putting themselves at a high risk of health problems. Eating healthy products made with marijuana, is just as safe(or safer) than eating most of the variety of junk food sold at every corner convenience store.
Obviously, you can abuse it by smoking way too much. Smoke does damage the lungs in a large enough quantity
The bottom line is:
If you are okay with alcohol and tobacco being legal, don't be a hypocrite and be against making marijuana legal.
(And no, I don't smoke marijuana)
Rick, as much cayenne pepper as I've eaten (standard in Louisiana kitchens), I would never think to smoke it or whatever one does with it. The same with nutmeg and cinnamon, I love to bake with it, use cinnamon on oatmeal, but I will not smoke/sniff or whatever people do to get high. I don't understand the concept of using spices to get high nor do I care to.
My heart felt condolences to the Family. Reaction is typical Knee-jerk; find something, anything and ban it, outlaw it, even if it does no more than make a Politician look proactive.
To basedrum; My Brother is a prominent Attorney in Chicago who pulled down over $750,000 net last Year. My Brother is also a MENSA member, graduated top of his Class at Cornell. My Brother is 60 Years old and has smoked MJ since he was a Teenager(regularly) and he is no Academic slouch. I would just love for you to sit down with him and discuss your "facts". I believe it would be both intense and amusing to witness...LOL!
The idea that the synthetic pot had nothing to do with it and that pot should be legalized because that would have made all the difference in this case is more than a bit naive. If the child had not been trying to get high off the synthetic pot, he would not have smoked it. People, including children, will still continue to try to get high off of pot whether or not the substance is legal, just like people knowing it is legal to drink and illegal to drink and drive still drink entirely too much, drive, and kill themselves and/or others every day, just like they drink entirely too much daily and poison their bodies, just like people know it is legal to smoke cigarettes even though it is believed that smoking leads to all manner of health issues and premature death and continue to smoke despite what may be best for them.
People who seek pleasure from consuming substances, anything, legal or not, even the benign like chocolate cake and pizza, find themselves dying from the substance, but their personal inability to be responsible and live in moderation. This child died because he sought a high.
It will sound cruel, but how many cancer patients could have used those spare lungs that went to waste on this kid who made a poor choice because he wanted to get high?
Lu, you are not being cruel. You are being logical. It's like when a rich person gets an organ that a poor person could use, or when a celeb gets a new kidney when a person who has been waiting for one desperately gets bumped to the head of the line.
It could have been Pot, Oregano, Tobacco, Grass, Synthetic Marijuana, or a Steak and it would have not mattered. Regardless of how they use the information, it would have been a great idea to inform this young person that plastics, when burned, produce toxins which are extremely harmful to the human body when inhaled.
My parents actually taught me about chemicals and the dangers of mixing certain ones at a very young age. I knew also that plastics were not to be thrown into fires (fireplace, bonfire, campfire) Unfortunately this has nothing whatsoever to do with illegal or legal drugs and this author would have been much more informative and opened a proper debate if he had led with the dangers of chemical reactions and the importance of educating our young people of the dangers that lie within. He could have gone further to address that parents and social clubs for young people (i.e. brownies, cub scouts, webelos, boy and girl scouts) do or don't help educate them. The author could have recommended places that do, and call for education from those that don't do enough.
Make the right decision and teach our children the dangers that are out there in a positive and informative way. Do not consistantly deride the symptom and ignore the cause.
reading these comments is better than Tosh.O
There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON for THC to be a controlled substance.
The People have been deceived.. and are dumber because of it.
Love it hAhA
Legal or not has nothing to do with this kid's death. There is no evidence whatsoever that if pot was legal, he would have smoked that instead of what he did smoke. He was 13, he wouldn't have been able to legally get weed anyways.
So please, ditch the legalization rhetoric and quit trying to make this kid's death your cause célèbre.
"Drugs impair judgement. Impaired judgement leads to injury or death. Next......."
Kind of like DRUNK DRIVING eh?
You're right, pot alone wouldn't do that... However, pot being smoked out of plastic will do that. He didnt die from pot (because he didnt smoke pot) but he also didnt die from smoking synthetic pot. He died from smoking plastic. It has nothing to do with pot OR synthetic pot. It was the plastic.
You miss my point. I'm not talking about getting high off of it, I'm talking about regular use of cayenne in cooking, to spice up the food. The reaction one gets is the body responding to being attacked by a foreign substance. Runny nose, watery eyes, burning mouth: all those symptoms designed to purge the foreign intruder. The pepper oil itself is the defense mechanism the plant uses to deter animals, bugs - people - from harming the fruit which contains the seeds to propogate its offspring. We just know it as pepper; but nature had a completely different intention for it to just be something to spice up people food. If bee stings were tasty, we'd eat them. We use these foreign substances to do something to our bodies that woudn't have been achieved without the introduction of the substance. Pot makes you high; pepper burns your mouth. Both affect you, both are natural, one is illegal - the other is a staple. Maybe law enforcement would be more tolerant if they could figure out a way to make a weapon out of pot the way they've designed weapons out of pepper. Wouldn't you agree?
Sorry to hear of the boys death.
Have never heard of such a tragedy from people smoking the real thing. Legalize it NOW!!!
When they banned alcohol people made moonshine that could fuel a plane. With marijuana banned kids are smoking synthetic chemical laced crap out of pez dispensers. Not advocating that a 13 year old toke up, legal or not, but if he smoked the real thing out of a glass pipe the kid would be sitting in a classroom right now instead of being dead. The legality argument has nothing to do with the will of the people and everything to do with politics and pharmaceutical corporate influence.
The title of the article is misleading on purpose. He didn't die from smoking synthetic pot, and it isn't about whether it should be legalized or not (even if the real stuff was legal, there would be an age limit such as alcohol or tobacco, so it would still be illegal since the boy was only 13). He died from an infection that developed after the anti-rejection medicine weakened his immune system. He had a double lung transplant caused by chemical burns he developed after smoking the pot, synthetic or not, from a plastic tube. The type of plastic used for pez dispensers are chock full of dangerous chemicals, and he sucked the vapor from that directly into his lungs.
The majority of comments I have read so far are absolutely ignorant of the article and its contents. Read before you comment.
So, if the teen had smoked tobacco out of a plastic pipe, would the governor have banned tobacco?
I agree. This has nothing to do with the substance and everything to do with why he thought smoking something out of a plastic tube was a smart thing to do. We all did stupid things as teenagers, but I knew from a VERY young age that burning plastic = bad idea to inhale. The smell alone tells you it is a bad idea.
Any, it had nothing to do with what he was smoking. The weed, synthetic or otherwise didn't kill him. The melting plastic he inhaled into his lungs were what killed him.
What are they teaching kids in schools today? Besides Sex ed and History of Homosexuality that is. I've never heard of anything so stupid.
I feel for his parents and family, but really.
There is no such a thing as synthetic pot...case closed!
They can spin it any way they want to but they have found very little to b*tch about regarding "real" marijuana!
Sorry for the family, but sounds like natural selection to me. If you are stupid enough to smoke something out of plastic, then you get what's handed to you. Don't try to pollute the article with synthetic drugs killed him, it was smoking plastic and his body rejecting the organs transplanted (lungs).
You can't smoke plastic!!! That's what damaged his lungs. The stuff he was smoking isn't anything like real pot, but it doesn't matter because smoking plastic will kill you.
It is amazing how many people I know smoke weed regularly and still hold down a good job, pay their bills, and lead productive lives. I have buried more friends due to booze.
@canttakenomore you are right there is no such thing as synthetic pot if the pharmaceutical companies could synthesise it they could patent it and they wouldn't be funding anti-pot legislation.
Burning plastic can be poisonous. Burning marijuana is nontoxic. And there is synthetic -almost any- drug.
Sorry about this tragic news
"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperence. It is a species of intemperence within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded"
Abraham Lincoln
Darwin...taking out the trash.
I am sure you are just little miss perfection on a stick who has never made a single bad decision nor taken a single foolish risk. Fortunately, you are here on the interwebs and can make sure everyone is aware of your superiority. Thanks for the public service.
Fool. You. Not him.
story - i'm picturing michelle getting hammered on booze, with cig dangling from lips yelling "pot smokers, just pure trash" as she trips over nothing and curses at the earth for making her stumble - but ensures she doesnt spill a drop of her drink.
Stay Classy michelle
Michelle, that's pretty harsh considering it's a kid.
Any wagers that Michelle is a Christian?
Michelle, you are an idiot. Truly.
man you people are idiots. She's right, if this kid doesn't have the brain to know putting fire to plastic will burns your lungs, then its better off he's gone now as opposed to doing something equally as stupid that could have killed others. You know, like, passing around his plastic toy pipe with his fake weed...
Was he stupid? Yes.
Was he 13? Yes.
Are 13 year olds stupid? Hell yes.
Does this make him "trash"? No, but it makes michelle trash.
I agree with you whole heartedly, EngEsq.
3 isn't a great comment [though it is restored]. So address the comment, folks. MacDeezy did a good job of that in #3.4.
occupy_this, Jessica-1170252, Baddog40, bjk127, EngEsq, you all broke the first rule on the site in response. trolleriffic, you broke #1 in response to the responses. Next time you do this you're suspended.
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Anyone know of someone else dying from chemical burns to the lungs? Seems like this is the only way to. If you die in a fire it's smoke inhalation/fire, usually.
"Taking out the trash" - yeah maybe harsh. "Thinning out the gene pool" - spot on.
yes, that was a harsh comment, but how stupid does the person have to be, and how stupid the act, before we call it, "stupid?"
individuals with too little caution often die of accidents like this.
Another Darwin award candidate repeating the same comment they have seen on countless other stories ever since that cold-blooded woman wrote that book. Come up with an orignal thought if you can.
@ baddog - Please don't insult Christians by inferring that michelle may be one - a true Christian would not condemn or judge this poor kid for his unfortunate choice.
Tyler,
As a safety professional, with hazardous materials response and rescue training, qualifications to be an OSHA Inspector I find your comment disturbing. Hundreds if not thousands of people every year are exposed to chemicals and receive chemical burns to the lungs. Some from things as simple as what is under your sink at home. Please do not pontificate about issues you have no understanding of. Your ignorance is far more dangerous than the insults hurled at the deserving. Feel free to suspend me.
Quick!!!... outlaw matches 'cos kids can set their pajamas on fire by playing with them!
He was 13.
How about smoking nothing?
What color is the sky in your world?
my kids are 15 and 20...my oldest tried it at 17 and I knew about it. My 15 year olds have not. What's so crazy about a 13 year old not smoking?
I started smoking cigarettes at 15 and now at 40, I wish I never ever picked it up. But, I know some will. I did.
I also teach high school. I get it, trust me. But, that doesn't mean I can't make the statement. It's the truth, right? At least I have told them.
So.... the sky is truth-colored in my world.
Tried what Tina? Smoking plastic?
Even if they legalized pot, that child would still have had to come up with plan B based on his age. Granted, he probably could have stolen some from his parents. And would anything have changed? Nope. He'd still have used the plastic pipe. And he'd still be just as gone.
I had pharmaceutical cocaine sprayed down my throat one time by a physician. It was in a controlled environment in controlled doses (three of them over a period of a week). Any idea how much money the US could make if it legalized coke? Tons. Does that mean it should be legalized? Nope.
Just because we aren't winning the battle doesn't mean we should concede the war.
Oranges to Apples Woodie...
When I was in school drugs were easier to obtain than beer or liquor. You had to show a valid ID to buy booze, but all you needed to buy drugs was cash. If they legalized pot the local dealers would go out of business.
As far a cocaine goes it was easier to buy at school as well.
Bravo! Keep the pressure on the youth. The frontal lobe of a teenager has not developed so rational behavior(right and wrong) has not been defined. Fear and conditioning are preventative measures. Scientifically speaking. Other options work on a smaller portion of youth but they are just variations of the above. Don't go overboard with the statement or take it to a level of abuse. If you do then I am sorry the words scared you.
Thank you!! This is why teens engage in risky behavior even after being told of the dangers and consequences. This is why teens jump off bridges for fun and drive fast and mouth off to authority.
It is our job as adults to constantly remind them of the possible outcomes of their decisions. Our silence is just compliance and that is a total let down to them. Will they listen? Some will and some won't. But we have a responsilblity to speak the truth as it will begin to make perfect sense when their brains mature.
Woodierae, by that line of though, all the war on drugs has ever done is interrrupt supply lines once in a while, and taken out a few members of the opposing army. No battle has ever been won by our government. The war on drugs is a waste of people, time, and resources. It is draining our country dry by means of 1,000 paper cuts. It is also giving the black market reason to sell illicit drugs to our citizens. It needs to stop now...
Bob
empty soda cans
The boy smoked the fake marijuana out of a plastic candy dispenser and suffered chemical burns to both lungs.
You think maybe he got chemical burns from, oh, I don't know, smoking out of a plastic candy dispenser? What if he had been smoking tobacco out of a plastic candy dispenser, why don't they outlaw tobacco then?
Stupid.
My thoughts exactly, but the story wasn't sensational enough without blaming the synthetic marijuana. Maybe they should ban PEZ dispensers.
Exactly. This story's title is extremely dishonest because the fake marijuana itself had nothing to do with the death. The chemical burns from the plastic container he used to smoke it in addition to his body rejecting a double lung transplant is what caused his death. I hate it when writers sensationalize the story with a misleading title to increase viewership.
Also, I have to wonder if half the people responding to this article actually read anything beyond the title before posting...
Exactly. Everone else (including the state governor and the author of this article) seemed to miss the fact that he smoke out of a plastic candy dispenser. Do we really not believe that inhailing the plastic fumes and molten bits of plastic might have had something to do with the CHEMICAL BURNS in his lungs?
PEZ Dispensers, by themselves, are harmless. I've got the perfect solution: we should ban the sale of PEZ dispensers and lighters in the same store! Or if that seems too ridiculous or difficult to enforce, we should focus on being better parents to our kids so they never try something so stupid.
This story's title is extremely dishonest because the fake marijuana itself had nothing to do with the death.
Indeed! The title should read: "Teen Dies After Smoking Plastic Candy Dispenser"
But hey, no one would bother reading it.
The kid must have failed science class.
13 years old and didn't know inhaling burning plastic fumes was bad?
I guess chalk one up for Darwin.
Seems to me the cause of the kid's death is blamed entirely on the plastic. I'm not so sure this is the case.
Are you kidding me? If the title read, "Teen Dies After Smoking Plastic Candy Dispenser", that would have been the first article I clicked on this morning! When I read the actual headline, I knew it was probably some misleading tripe but was somewhat curious to know how the kid actually died.
Now I know: Teen Dies After Smoking Plastic Candy Dispenser.
WoodieRae, I assure you that you can safely be sure it was the plastic. Had he ingested the incense and then decided to use a pez for a pipe under its influence, I might side with you. The fact is that our government expends a tremendous effort to tell kids and parents how potentially dangerous some rather benign substances are, but it does not bother to explain that burning plastic can be fatal. It may be common sense to us not to inhale plastic fumes, but I would venture to say most people wouldn't expect a small dose of fumes to cause death, even if they know it's unhealthy. If you want to blame something besides plastic, how about collective stupidity funded by your taxes.
If a child try to smoke tobacco then I imagine he would smoke a cigarette. Pre-wrapped self-contained. Tobacco Kills.
In reply to WoodieRae-3499404's comment.. If you used a little common sense you would realize that people would be dropping like flies if it was the synthetic marijuana. As of now there is 1 case of someone dying and that case being smoked from plastic!
How is legalizing a drug going to stop kids from doing stupid things?
yep, like smoking anything using a PLASTIC TOY...it wasn't the fake pot that killed the kid, it was his ignorance on the dangers of burning plastic and inhaling the fumes
OUTLAW PLASTIC KIDDIE TOYS!!!!!!!!
Typical misleading headlines of the Biased Infotainment Propaganda Networks...
well kids are gonna do stupid things regardless, but more than likely he would have been able to get ahold of a pipe and weed if they were readily available, not that i advocate the use of drugs or alcohol by a minor. But really, would you rather him smoke plastic or weed?
Mostly, what we should be looking at is the fact that a kid that had a double lung transplant was smoking anything at all. Where were his parents?
Kids smoke weed already - have been for decades....lol @!$%# happens. Making it legal will not really change that. I would not allow a 13 year old to smoke weed even if it was legal....it's just stupid.
AW-I think you have your timeline wrong. He didn't get the transplant and THEN smoke the stuff. He smoked the stuff first and that caused the chemical burns that resulted in the transplant.
It won't, and is entirely unrelated to the issues of legalization (which I heavily support from an economic and social justice standpoint).
However, any discussion relating to marijuana is inevitably going to circle back to this debate merely because of the subject matter.
I put this in the same bucket as drinking. Kids are recklessly fearless, and if legalization is a better solution treat it like alcohol....teach kids the dangers early and hopefully prevent senseless deaths.
That is NOT the point of legalization, Tina!!! (I'm referring to your OP, not your subsequent posts) Legalization is not about reducing abuse of weed, it is about reducing the violence and chaos caused by black markets. In other words, about reducing all the negatives that are unique to ILLEGAL drugs but not legal ones. Drug abuse is a medical problem, but our laws do not reflect that currently.
People are still gonna abuse even if legalized, but notice that the employees of Anheuser Busch are not kidnapping & decapitating employees of Coor's Brewing over distribution rights, or smuggling weapons to use against each other like what was happening during Prohibition and currently at the border. Nor are employees of Pfizer kidnapping & decapitating employees of Merck.
Alcohol and prescription drugs are all as potentially damaging when abused as weed, but because they are legal, commerce in them does not create nearly the same degree of problems even though most have the potential to be far more destructive than weed.
Finally, the legal treatment of kids and weed does not change whatsoever under a legalization scenario, as no legalization advocate is saying it should be legal for minors.
The kids are still gonna do stupid things regardless, but I'm more concerned that our current legal approach to weed is creating an enormous black market that adds an entire, far more insidious level of chaos, gang warfare, anarchy, and death than weed ever could by itself.
This is the lesson of Prohibition: that the violence and chaos associated with black markets for drugs are far more destructive to society than the drugs themselves. It was Abraham Lincoln who said that prohibition "goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes."
Au contraire regarding prescription drugs my friend....lol But I'm pretty sure the drug cartels are not the monsters they are because of....weed. I'm thinking they are more reliant on heroin, meth, coke trafficking....you know, the ones that really should never even be around ;)
Not sure what you're saying regarding prescription drugs. I know what au contraire means ("on the contrary") but don't understand what I said about prescription drugs that you're saying "on the contrary" to. :-P
I hear you that legalizing weed-only might not have the same degree of dramatic effect on the cartels that full accross-the-board legalization would, but there is no question it would be dramatic. The market for weed is so much more huge than for the others.
I'm also not sure I oppose full legalization, (although I do think we should start slow with just weed and see how it goes). Why? Because I don't know about you, but the main reason I haven't tried meth, coke, heroin, etc has nothing to do with their legal status and everything to do with what I know, through EDUCATION, about their effects. It was always their effects that scared me, never the thought that I might get caught. These things would still be illegal for minors even under full legalization, and I simply don't see adults flocking to these substances simply because they're suddenly legal. Those adults that do? They're free to destroy their lives as far as I'm concerned.
actually the drug cartels make the most money from marijuana... followed then by human and weapon smuggling... and then its other drugs. Learn your facts please.
And finally... the kid died from smoking from a BPA laden plastic PEZ dispenser.
He could have been smoking freshly cut grass from a lawnmower and still have died because it was the BPAs being released from the PEZ dispenser that killed him!
How stupid are you people?
That is hilarious....but you need to do some fact checking...thanks for the "tip" though. Do your homework...heroin, coke, opiates, meth...yes there is some trafficking of weed - but seriously - no one is making big money on weed. Funny though. Look it up.
Drug cartels make over 60% of their profit from marijuana alone.
source 1: http://experts.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/17/the_case_for_a_domestic_marijuana_industry
source 2: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/opinion/19longmire.html
source 3: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2010/1014/Study-Drug-cartels-would-feel-small-pinch-if-California-legalizes-marijuana
Mexico has legalized weed along with just about everything else for personal consumption back in 2009. Everything I've ever read about legalizing has failed to take this into consideration. How do you think it is working for Mexico?
pragmatic--
It is not working for Mexico, because heir domestic drug consumption is irrelevant when compared to the gigantic demand north of the border. This HAS helped Mexico in several ways, one of which is removing arrest discretion from individual officers, which was a major point of corruption.
Tina--
You may want to look up "confirmation bias." The marijuana profits as a portion of cartel operations is well documented, and was even recently a subject on a couple of NPR programs, after a huge pot field was busted in California. But, in the interest of shock value and to promote fear, talking heads in this country continue to use Hearst's strategy of Yellow Journalism, promoting images of drug-crazed psychopaths and the mayhem and doom that would come from legalization. Of course, just a bit of logic would help you greatly; the market for pot is several hundred times the size of that for cocaine, heroin or most other import drugs. It is also much cheaper to produce, since it requires no refining, or dangerous chemicals or threat of serious accidents.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/heroin-and-cocaine-now-legal-in-mexico-ndash-in-small-doses-1776792.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126890838
Tina, Tina, Tina...Seriously, you are evidently intelligent enough to use the internet but have never once stumbled over a story on the pounds of marijauna the drug cartels pack on the backs of people coming over the borders? You need to check your facts. Maybe check out a little site called You Tube.
Well, as a 73 year old woman who has lived intimately with persons who have smoked weed; the personality becomes wasted and anyone who says they can work productively is truly kidding themselves. As with alcohol and all the other drugs out there. Meth users flourish in my town as in any other; the teeth fallen out, the skeleton faces; the destruction on the organs in the body. Weed's effect on the lungs is more horrendous than cigarettes and cigarettes are bad enough. There are those who think drugs are necessary to get them through the day. Otherwise why do they use them. Medical reasons? Most of that reasoning is as broad as drinking alcohol or using meth or cocaine to solve humankinds problems. Keeping weed illegal is truly the only course in fighting for our kid's minds and eventual struggles as they begin to have to take care of themselves. All I do know is the damage that comes from the use. And don't tell me it isn't addictive. Again, then why is the demand so high for something that isn't addictive.
Demand for lobster is high, but that doesnt mean its addictive. Demand is high because people like it. Yea, people continue to use it, but that doesnt mean its addictive. It means that people like to use it. They dont suffer withdrawal symptoms when they dont have it.
Jeansplace, "weed's" effect on lungs is NOT more horrendous than cigarettes nor is its effects ANYTHING remotely close to the damage caused by long-term usage of meth, cocaine and alcohol. There are LOTS of people who smoke weed and are very productive such as myself. Let's not just make up stuff because we don't like a behavior or substance.
I'm easy. I get my high from a medium rare ribeye steak, a baked potato and banana pudding.
What kind of bong are you using?......oh it's a grill :-)
Best. Comment. Ever.
My drug of choice is chocolate. I eat it sniff it, snort it, shoot it up and roll around in it naked. Ok, not really.
Poor kid. And that's really what we're talking about here is a KID. Whether or not this or that is legal or whatever, kids do dumb things. Look what they're doing with bath salts now. It's something we can all learn from. Watch your kids, know who they're with, and what they're doing and talk to them about these things and hope it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Bless that family. What a heartbreak : (
You don't know how right you are! Your pleasure from eating that ribeye is created by dopamine and serotonin being released in your brain. Smoking weed, eating a good steak, whatever, it's all about the dopamine and the serotonin. Any craving, at the end of the day, is about reproducing the pleasure experienced when our brain releases dopamine and serotonin. Everyone who desires happiness is essentially a drug addict. A very specific subset of drugs known as neurotransmitters.
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Enjoy that ribeye (cholesterol) baked potato (carbs, added salt) and banana pudding (sugar).
There are some in this country who would love to see them banned too.
Sounds good to me.
"The boy smoked the fake marijuana out of a plastic candy dispenser and suffered chemical burns to both lungs"
was it the synthetic pot or was it the inhaling of burning plastic directly into his lungs that cause "chemical burns".
I am leaning towards the burning plastic causing the "chemical burns".
This really has nothing to do with synthetic pot and everything to do with smoking out of a plastic container. Pretty, pretty, pretty dumb.
With all due respect, the headline should read, "Teen dies after inhaling burnt plastic." The synthetic marijuana in this regard is irrelevant. He could have smoked cloves or nutmeg or whatever else kids read about on the internet to get a high and the same thing would likely have occurred.
stupidity should be painful...and in his case it was.pity his parents with all there medical bills now...unless a welfare case...then i pity us workers.
I see that you are in pain.
Hmm chalk this up for another victim for the failed Drug War.
It's human nature to want to change ones perception of reality.
How many more have to die from this stupid war.
While this is obviously related to his pre-existing illness, I can guarantee that this wouldn't happen if marijuana were legal. This "fake" stuff simply wouldn't exist in the first place. At what point do we demand common sense from our lawmakers???? Stop this insane war on drugs... it's futile and dangerous. This is just ONE example of how prohibition CREATES crime and death.
"Gov. Tom Corbett signed a law outlawing such substances a few days after the boy became ill. The ban took effect in August."... Yeah, and that really helped. All it does it make that product more lucrative and enticing.
Our government tells us that marijuana is illegal and dangerous. Kids see that as ludicrous (just as most adults do), so the government loses all credibility. Oh, now they ban a "fake" marijuana... so that ALSO must be fine. But, sadly, it isn't fine.
Grow up government.
it would have happened if he was smoking real marijuana... because it HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE WAS SMOKING, BUT RATHER WHAT HE WAS SMOKING IT OUT OF!!!!!!
ITS THE PEZ DISPENSER RELEASING BPAS WHEN HEATED UP THAT KILLED HIM!!!
MY GOD READ THE ARTICLE!!!!!!
your asking far to much from people these days eddie!
occupy this -
While I do mostly agree with you, I would like to point out that this kid did not die from smoking synthetic marijuana. This could have easily happened even if it were legal... He died because he smoked a substance (doesnt matter what that substance is) out of plastic. The plastic is what killed him, not the substance.
It couldn't have anything to do with the plastic candy container it was smoked from, oh no it was definitely the synthetic marijuana. :sarcasm:
Typical fear mongering article here.
Agreed. It is incredibly tiring watching everyone blame the evil marijuana and its synthetics while the real culprit is being avoided. Plastic contains carcinogens so use glass!!
which comes from smoking the real stuff.
Darwinism at its finest.
Fortunately, our country is very tolerant of the ignorant.
And I wasn't talking about the kid.
Death due to chemical burns--more likely the fact that he smoked this synth out of a PLASTIC CANDY CONTAINER that caused the chemical burn. Idiot.
Dumb kid. >:-<
Oh, well, they can always get another one.
Real classy, I'm sure you'd feel the same if it was a member of your own family, right?
Just paying it forward.
Don't forget, what goes around comes around.
It is tragic that a child has died. But, I hate the headline. To me, he did NOT die because of smoking the Synthetic Marijuana, he died because he smoked it from a Plastic Pipe.
So many people will read that headline thinking that it was because of the synthetic pot, but really, if you click on the link you find out the real reason. I can't stand how they manipulate the general public.
I agree with factofthematter....he smoked out of a plastic dispenser..wtf...i wouldnt smoke anything out of something plastic
Better outlaw those heinous candy dispensers too while they're at it, another gateway substance. I suspect the plastic dispenser released the most dangerous toxins. Seroiusly, no one should be smoking at 13, that's way too young. Pot should be legal because it is a god given sacrement. That synthetic crap wouldn't have a market, decent people wouldn't be incarcerated at over $30k/yr of tax dollars, and cut out the drug cartels main source of cash and reasons for violence.
Shame on you MSNBC for your sensational headline! The kid died from smoking the pot through a plastic toy, not from the pot itself. I'm not an advocate for this crap and could care less whether it's legal or not.
In an era where we have to wade through "yellow press" on a daily basis to get to the facts it's disheartening to have a respected news source such as yourself stoop to the tactics employed by the likes of "Fox & Friends"! You'll see that there will be plenty more like me who will be as offended as I am!
Did you not read the article? He wasn't smoking pot.
Yes I did read the article. Pardon me for not saying "synthetic pot", but the kid died from smoking plastic!
How much less could you care?
If the synthetic cannabis truly caused the burns, there would almost certainly be many similar instances, but that isn't the case. On the other hand, if the chemical burns resulted from smoking something out of a plastic candy dispenser, that's a different matter altogether, the synthetic cannabis being irrelevant. As written, the article is vague, perhaps deliberately so.
I agree. Don't think it was the synthetic pot that caused the chemical burns; it was more likely the plastic container.
I've smoked synthetic marijuana for 2 years regularly and haven't exhibited one single side effect. The problem here is that the kid was an idiot and smoked the plastic.
Nice Nick. I'm assuming you never did one stupid thing in your life. That is until you made such an unbelievably heartless comment about a dead child. You smoke synthetic marijuana, why? Because you're so smart?
Lemon shut your filthy mouth- read all the other comments on this page. You probably like to get drunk right? but you're going to judge me for doing the same thing. Go smoke some plastic-
Not trying to be rude, but the kid really was an idiot... Im sorry he died and all, but he did smoke plastic... Thats not something a smart person would do.
Also, there is nothing inherrantly wrong with smoking marijuana, and some people cant because they get drug tested. Their way around that is to use the synthetic marijuana. The sad part is that the synthetic marijuana is legal, whereas marijuana (which is much better in every way besides legality) is illegal.
Great, no one dies from smoking real pot....but fake pot delivered in plastic containers, dead!
Great! Man, do we have our priorities out of whack or what?
it could have been real pot and he still would have died
it was the pez dispenser that killed him... anything that he chose to smoke would not have stopped those bpas from being released into his lungs!!!!!!!!!!!!
And people wonder why kids are this stupid? Let's see, did his parents ever talked to him about drugs, or ever talked to him at all. And people get upset about this types of talks in school in PE/health class?
HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO HIM about the dangers of smoking plastic!
Outlaw pez. Seriously, I wonder how stupid some kids are. When I was small, I remember we used to get those plastic pipes that came with the set for blowing bubbles and when you put the solution in the pipe, it always ended up with a bit in your mouth and the stuff had an awful taste. I knew the pipe was for blowing bubbles (soap kind). I honestly wouldn't think to put tobacco in that pipe to smoke. So what is the disconnect with these kids.
valhallaarwen - there is a fundamental flaw in your basic assumption - today you cannot assume there are parents - plural, and you almost have to assume that the only parent provided him with the substance..... the kid was 13, his mother was probably 29, he probably never met his father and it is likely his mother only met his father once...... we live in a time where responsibility is completely out the window and viewing things from what most would consider a traditional perspective is naive at best.
Yes, I don't know if there are parents, plural, and I don't assume that the parent gave him the substance. Yes, I do realize that people do not take responsibility for their actions. I disagree that this is a time where responsibility is out the window. That has always happened, the difference is we are exposed to it more and more due to the internet.
In 1960 - 5% of kids were born out of wedlock, 40% today..... yeah that seems responsible...............all rights, no responsibilities - responsibilities are someone else's problem and merely an unconfirmed rumor anyway......