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from:msnbc.comWifi-enabled laptops may be nuking sperm
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I'm impressed. Although the title of the article included the attention-grabbing sensationalism we've come to expect from the media, the article itself actually includes some common sense responses from a knowledgable source.
It all depends on how deeply wifi signals can penetrate human skin - if they can't get through your epidermis, they are not going to be able to damage your sperm.
It would be interesting to know how other human cells fared under the wifi signals. Were they still alive? Or did everything die?
Electro-magnetic waves in this frequency range don't penetrate more then a couple millimeters. Need to be on the other side of the visible spectrum (UV, x-ray) to get any real penetration. Not an effective method to determine if wifi (radio) signals effect fertility.
Handyman hint: use a little tin foil in the jockey shorts held in place by duct tape. Problem solved.
don't forget to recycle... after your though using the foil for your privates protection...use foil on the bar- b -que grill ...at the next company picnic...you don't eat at or take your family too...
better yet, get lead underwear!
There are a lot of questions not that are not answered. One such question is whether one of the laptop cooling pads on the lap, or in the case of this study, under the laptop but above the container with sperm, changes the outcome. Another question is how long were the laptops used in the experiment on? I am sure that there are other questions that should be answered, too.
I'm pretty sure lead underwear is more damaging than 100 mW at the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Foil isn't any good unless it is grounded. To ground the foil in your underwear, simply attach a discreet wire to a large piece of metal such as a car. Then you too can know the wonder of a wireless lifestyle (except for the wire going from your pants to your car.)
Please nuke my sperm! I don't want to go under the knife for the alternative! Just don't give 'em cancer! They are so sensitive.
Thats okay. I wasn't planning on having any kids anyway. lol
So much for the OWS crowd reproducing! seriously the semen in its environment will probably survive, one way to tell is do the test after the subject spends about 8 hours on the wireless desk top then collect the samples, compare that with samples from the same people when they have not been exposed to the wireless device and with consistent time between test, now comes the good part repeat the test with female participants about 8 or 10 times over to see what happens to the seaman when women use the devices. then you have to do a study on the egg itself, personally I think the study was a waste of time, but I do think all these microwave beams shooting around can be good, as for the lead under wareforget that. maybe a carbon fiber would help? if your rich you could get yourself a gold sports cup, or a gold spun jockstrap. the ladies might like that. especially if the guy leaves it behind. the one thing that concerns me is all the cases of throat cancer and Brain tumors that are on the rise. is their a connection there.
The WiFi frequency wasn't specified. Microwave ovens work in the L Band 1 - 2 Ghz because that is the most penetrating, which excites water molecules, whereas WiFi is probably at 2.4Ghz and won't penetrate enough at such low power to worry. I have worked at microwave frequencies for over 40yrs with exposures at times more than 1000 times that of WiFi. No problems. All of this radiation exposure has been tested by the Military years ago for cause and effect.
Illinois man
LMAO!
Don't forget to put a few ice cubes under the foil by the testiculars to keep the temperature conducive to tadpologenesis.
The Pope has just announced that the use of WiFi-laptops, contraceptive, and abortion are anti-Catholic practices.
Umm...four hours later? Who the heck wants it to be active four hours later anyway? This could save millions of dollars in child support. :)
Not to worry. Seriously, how many guys are watching porn with the laptop actually on their lap?
If wify irradiation was indeed a practical way to reduce fertility rate, the global elites would have been zapping the developing countries 24/7
Good. There are too many people on this planet as it is. This is a good birth control for men, who rarely take any responsibility for birth control anyway.
I AGREE!!!
They won't give us a "Man Pill" and the bible thumpers want to take away reproductive rights away, so lets let nature figure it out.
Now where's my laptop....
Infertility is heartbreaking for couples. Your comment is cruel.
..And can also be hilarious.
But seriously...we don't need any more people on this planet. Those heartbroken couples can adopt one of the thousands of children who are already here, suffering and alone.
Just sayin.
Takes to to tango....
Um, you mean TWO to tango? Derp.
I think it's great, too. People who are so addicted to all this "technology" and can't go one hour without having some instrument plopped in their lap (or stuck to their ear, or under their fingers), having to "socially network" or else they'll go bananas, should not breed. Go read a book, and I mean a real one, not an "electronic" one.
Yes, a quick fry of the old gonads and Boom! Disabled sperm. But don't be too zealous with this. Let's not forget about testicular cancer.
If anything, this will hit closer to "home" for some of us who have been flippantly discounting the effects of electromagnetic radiation on brain tissue. For some, the brain may be expendable, but the brawn?
Of course adoption is a wonderful option. The problem is that adoption is extremely expensive and may be an excruciatingly long and painful process. Painful emotionally, and mentally, as well as physically exhausting. You cannot just walk into an adoption agency, fork over some cash and take a baby, if it were that easy, my husband and I would have done so years ago. Please educate yourself *if you care to* before you speak of things you know nothing about.
Gee I wonder what it does to the woman by heating her up?
Meanwhile, Ladyarn&^%blah$dt, there are thousands and thousands of children, already born into this world, with no loving family or future. But it's all about you right?
I never implied it wasn't expensive and emotionally draining. So it is to bring any child into this world. That is already over populated.
I rest my case.
Now lets get back to the conversation of nuked nugs please....
you must be a gyno-american
No I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll still take a look
Unfortunately it is probably not the families in the world with lots of gadgets and laptops that will be having the most children. Look at the countries with top rates of reproduction. This will probably not be a very effective means of population control.
But you give em hell Harry! How dare these people be true to their biological desire to procreate, when you know what's best for everyone, and are so quick with your not-very-witty remarks. derp.
Your condescending arrogance is hilarious. Yawn.
I don't believe it's so wrong and illogical to assert that perhaps if people weren't so obsessed with pregnancy and having more offspring, the world would be a better place.
Why overpopulate to the point where nature steps in and does something about it, like it does with a swarm of destructive locusts. Humans are no different.
Unfortunately, common sense reasoning is a quality that few humans possess.
there is a alternative to adoption, marry a ready made family some people do that! unless you are already in a relationship with your soul mate.
7,006,000,000.
This is NOT a bad thing.
WTF? What the heck kind of sexist comment is that? Both people must take responsibility for birth control. Any HUMAN who has sex without a condom is not too bright to begin with. And if they don't, it's the guy that gets saddled with the responsibility...PERIOD. She still has a choice of what she wants to do (thank goodness). But really? I didn't even know these types of comments made it out of the 70s. Guess bashing is still OK as long as you choose the right group.
Justice, perhaps you missed the story today on the 3-year-old killed by a father who never wanted the kid to being with. So much for guys who have sex without a condom being saddled with responsibility.
WOW! and I thought it was just the comment sections on the OWS stories that turned into verbal brawls! This is incredibly amusing, please continue!! :)
If only it was real science. Maybe then we could get a handle on the population explosion.
Give everyone in the ME and China a laptop with WIFI. wait 30 years and see if it makes a difference. that's the only way to really test this theory.
Infertility is growing fast around the world and the worst culprit is reckless adjavents and additives in vaccines and Monsanto GMO food.
A lot of people use laptops on their laps. I do.
Would love to know what this damage is doing to the population... perhaps it causes infertility in some but genetic-based problems in others?
My kids turned out fine with zero fertility problems.
- Sent from my laptop sitting on my lap
how old are your kids, are you sure?
Hmm, I've never seen someone actually use a laptop on their lap. I mean really, what would you think? Are they typing or ??? Maybe they place it on their knees (but not for long), but typically on a desk in front of them.
A little common sense goes a long way, especially in funding useful science.
you obviously have not been in a university classroom recently
I just walked into my son's room, he is laying on his bed w/ his laptop resting across his lap( groin region). I can't recall the countless times I've seen people riding in cars/buses or other modes of transportation with a laptop resting across the lap. Open your eyes, it's all around you.
if its bad for the person smoking their genes what about the person next to them.
Arghh.... Second hand nugget nuking!
I like this! Perhaps most/all of these so called gamers that don't know anything else in life can not reproduce. How wonderful!!! They are no loss to the gene poole anyway.
Im a gamer... and have done more for society in engineering in the last 5 years than you'll ever be productive your whole life... i guarantee it regardless of what you do.
stop picking on jayfos, he's a gamer and has contributed much to our society; he has kept most of the loony tunes inside where they belong
Now I really want to know which gamer kicked your puppy and why you think he somehow represents the entire gaming population. Because frankly, no gamer I've met plays with a laptop so close to their crotch.
and a really humble gamer at that. If you really did contribute more than anyone else, maybe your profile name should be "N0belp3aceprizebeast" or something like that. Do you honestly believe you are that incredible. Nobody cares. You can't really believe that you are the most interesting person in the world, the "Dos XX" guy gets that title. it would do you some good to learn some humility...sheesh
Eah, gaming is more productive than bogus science.
I game with a laptop and the thing puts out so much heat i don't want it in my lap. It will kill the swimmers while they are in the pool much less out on the deck sunning, lmao. A few years back they said the heat would do the same thing.
Gamers don't use laptops on their lap when playing. That would be like trying to play an fps with a touchpad....
If you're stupid enough to actually use a hot laptop on your lap you shouldn't reproduce.
Eliminating the wifi connection would probably eliminate the semen.
Been using WiFi on my lap since 2000. I have kids. Are you saying I shouldn't?
Cell phones are still the greater danger, no matter how much cell carriers deny it, and continue to pay for fake studies.
Yet after probably twenty years or more of use, nothing has ever shown up to verify that claim.
Using the cell phone as a "fall guy"? consider the trillions upon trillions of watts of EMF from the power grid, television stations, radio stations, radar systems, etc. around the world and ask yourselves why these are not singled out as well - especially since the power levels are countless orders of magnitude greater than a cell phone or a lap top.
Who knows it might be the reason our leadership are such fools they have all been microwaved (as in brain fried) by all this radiation.
What about the sudden rise in autism and autism spectrum disorders...in the same span of time? While we lust for the convenience of cell and wireless technology, are we dooming our children, and all future generations? Of course, any and all studies done in this regard would HAVE to be junk science. Can't deprive politicians, CEOs, CFOs, and all the other 'entitled' of their ability to receive email while on the crapper, God forbid.
I need some numbers, rather, frequencies before I can make any comments. According to Skolnik, inter alia, in various books on micowave communications, microwaves above about 2.7 GHz tend to reflect off the body, inceasingly so as the frequency rises. Below about 2.7 GHz, the radiation passes through body tissues, more so as the frequency goes down. The frequency 2.7GHz, incidentaly is microwave oven frequency (more exactly, around 2.732 GHz +/-). It is also the frequency that is most absorbed (and then turned into heat) by body tissues. So, at what frequencies do the WiFi attachments operate? Also, laptops tend to generate an appreciable amount of heat. What effect might that have on sperm viability and motility at the very close range (only a couple of inches - if that) of lapatop sitting on a user's lap?
People don't shove power grids, television stations, radio stations, radar systems, etc., right up against their bodies, often for hours on end each day. It's called addiction - can't go for a half-hour without tweeting, facebooking, texting or celling.
BDan, they have not tied the rise in autism to the use of these gadgets, yet. While many children are diagnosed properly, there are some that are incorrectly diagnosed as autisic. The autism spectrum is very wide. About 20 years back, there was a rise in the number of children diagnosed as ADD and ADHD. My son's school was trying to claim he was ADD despite having 2 neuologists and a child psychologist say he was not. There was something like 25 "symptoms" of ADD and/or ADHD. When I remarked to the school psychologist that I didn't know anyone with at least one of those traits, she said I didn't know any normal people. She was actually one of the most abnormal people I ever met. So don't go making assumptions without the complete science.
Radio has been around for a very long time. Radio stations you listen to put out thousands to hundreds of thousands of watts. Your cell phone puts out 1 watt. Heck, even a CB radio is more powerful than a cell phone. I will require some mighty convincing to undo nearly a century of radio broadcasting evidence.
Perhaps there is no connection to our cancer/disease/infertility rates and modern technology and the use of electromagnetic radiation but to suggest that since radio has been around 100 years there shouldn't be a link would be a bit reckless as well. Our ability to diagnose cancer and disease has grown exponentially since the use of radio. We are also a bit slow to abandon our ways even if there is proof that they are counter-productive to a healthy lifestyle.
la patrie,
You hit the nail on the head. In the century since radio, people have been living longer and medical science has advanced. A century ago, the primary killer was viral or bacterial infection at a younger age. Cancer was known, but this is a time when people consumed radioactive toothpaste/creams/pills/etc for "vitality". Bloodletting was only just going out of favor as a real course of treatment for illness. Now that people live longer, other age-related diseases such as cancer can manifest. Now that we understand DNA and the causes of cancer, we can better diagnose it at earlier stages and treat it. Additionally, illnesses may not have been called cancer until the mechanism of the disease was understood.
I will tell you what I do know. When new cell towers go up in populated areas, people will claim sleep disturbances, headaches, and other general malaise long before the tower is even switched on. Repeatedly in tests, people who claim radio sensitivities are unable to correctly point out when a transmitter is powered on. I recognize that these are acute effects and not chronic effects.
If wireless technology is killing us slowly, we're still better off than we were a century ago when we had lead and arsenic based paints in our homes, parasites as dietary pills, radioactive elements in consumer products, snake oil as medicine, and heroin available over the counter as a cough suppressant.
I know they call it a 'lap top' but come on, most people use them on desks.... I can't recall the last time I saw one on a lap, except for on an airplane.
I use mine on my bed - my wifi connection actually dies if I put mine on my lap.
I don't have to worry, as I'm female... but heat alone is said to make a man less fertile, so there might be some truth to it :)
Last I checked microwaves were of the non-ionizing variety
So right. And last I checked, people weren't sitting on top of microwaves or sticking body parts inside of them, unlike laptops and cellphones.
Last time I checked, a microwave oven was about 10,000+ times more powerful than WiFi.
"Wifi-enabled laptops may be nuking sperm" as mobile phones fry your brain cells. They are incidental byproducts of today's technological era. However bad, both these side effects don’t hold a candle to the “global warming” that isn’t happening.
I wonder if this is part of the EMP that Newt was talking about.
Like this if you instantly lifted your laptop from your lap and placed it on the couch next to you.
(not facebook)
As a student, I'm not particularly worried. Sure I use laptops on my lap once in a while, but I also masturbate at a higher frequency than the average population due to stress. My sperm count is simply impenetrable.
Doesn't sound like it really matters based on how you've described your lifestyle. You have to have sex with an actual woman for conception to occur.
Nice.
typing with one hand a lot...these day...baldman...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuRWRqpQXQ
Fail.... I have no idea what the heck you're on about...
Baldman, hey, there is nothing wrong with popping the puppy. In fact I have been told that it is healthy. At least you know where your hands have been. I'd also bet that those who say they have never masterbated, are liars.
When the mood strikes: "It's okay dear, I use a laptop."
The new pick-up line. Thanks for the laugh!
Golden! Now, if I could get my man to do it...
'Bout time.
bout space...
'So between the heat and the radiation from today's electronic devices, testicles would seem to be hard-pressed.'
Best . . Comment . . Ever!
Gross. File that under didn't need to know.
I love roasted nuts, but nuked nuts not so much.
this wireless crap is whats killing all the bats and honey/pollen bees
so who needs bats and honey bees?
to Flip
pollination, food production, sustenance, existence.
stop being so flippant!
Not my honey pollen bees!
stitch,
Very much doubt it. You can put a kilowatt transmitter INSIDE a hive and it won't collapse.
Do you mean that bats and honeybees have been using the laptops on their laps? Oh no! That must be why their population is dropping!
Theres one thing the world would certainly benefit from having less of: human sperm
unless you're Gay. lol
If Wi-Fi only kills 10% more sperm then would otherwise perish....well I I say I can live with those odds.
AWESOME NEWS! As one who has no desire to ever get a woman pregnant, ever get his tubes tied, has no intention of ever having to pay child support for an unwanted child and would especially never be so stupid as to bring a child into this world when we are in the worst recession in the history of this country, this news is some of the best I've heard as a dating single guy. As one who uses a wireless laptop I plan to never move my computer from my groin area having heard this great news. As a matter of fact I will not only use it more on my lap but will also use it to watch porn to rub a few out before every date to get bring my sperm count even lower in case things escalate to the bedroom or a one night stand...
no wonder i cant upload anymore!
Bull@!$%#. I've checked my laptop, which is always connected to WiFi, with an EMF meter and the electromagnetic energy around it was negligible. What are they using 10 year old non-shielded computers?
This is a non-story.