i think china knows what is going on, they are testing a virus to see what it will do then they will send it over here. like they do all of there @!$%# remember made in china!!
Please continue your noble effort to educate the masses. Your reasonable point of view, based on the weight of credible evidence, should ignite a wildfire of global outrage. Keep preaching the truth brother. Perhaps disclosing some of the evidence will help. I look forward to supporting your cause once I see it.
I am fine with this as long as it starts in China first... If it started anywhere else the Chinese would be totally on edge against anyone coming into China.. They could care less where they end up spreading it...
It will be spread globally sooner than later... Because they travel and have immigrated throughout the globe.
Does anyone want a reason not to have things produced in China? Here is one. No, this is two... The lead paint everyone is so worried about being put on toys is nothing compared to what kids will be getting from their contaminated Chinese produced toys..
2. Drywall from China used to restore/build many homes containing chemicals that eat away and destroy metal materials and human respritory systems.
3. MSG presented from China from one indiividual extracting the ingredient from plants... to add to regular foods.
Toys - what people love providing their offspring.
Drywall - homes where people live.
MSG - all food supplies we humans consume. Little more than a 'drug' causing your brain to make you 'think' the food tastes better... no flavor enhancement whatsoever. A Mind drug, you eat daily by not paying attention to food ingredients.
note: ( MSG = Monosodium Glutamate )
Not all Chinese are behind this... as in America, so many are unaware of what truly goes on at their government level.
Get involved with your government, learn what they are doing by following them as much as possible with all they do - the same as they are doing to you, your neighbor and anyone else they feel to be a threat to national security.
Don't forget to cite Phillip-Morris, asbestos, thalidomide, transfat, Salmonella, E.coli, Fen-Fen, Ford Explorers, acid rain, etc etc etc. Oh and the worst one (well not actually, Phillip Morris kills more by far, and there are many other contamination sites by our companies in the mid-east, Africa, and Latin America, but this one was spectacular) was our Bhopal India plant.
Come on...let us be practical on this...what better way to defeat your enemy than to befriend him and share your products with them? Let him become dependant on you and by all means give him unlimited credit.
Our own lawmakers passed laws that encouraged Americans to move sometimes total production of needed items ( dishes, brooms, shoes, toys, cheap foods) to China. So we have ourselves to blame for electing "sell-outs" to govern us.
Now China has basically "won the war" we might have fought with bullets and blood. They never fired a shot. They can finish us off any time they want to now with a few contaminated items. No one in our government will stop them...we owe them toooooo much money. "Them what makes the money makes the rules." Game over, we just will not admit it.
Does anyone wonder about the chinese and the chicken flu?
They practicly live with the animals and the chickens are part of the family.
Then just consider the chinese hygene and the surprise is that ONLY a few hundred caught this dreaded desease. So far that is. Or have riported it. With more than a billion of them a few thousand is just a drop in the bucket. When millions start catching the flu we might start worrying.
Jeez what BS posts. Are you people that clueless? Do you really know absolutely nothing about the world you live in?
This has been going on for millions of years and it has nothing at all with how Chinese live, how their animals live or hygiene in general. Those are just stu[id misconceptions thrown around by miserably ill-informed people.
Every year wilb birds migrate from Siberia and Alaska to China for the winter. These wild birds bring whatever strains of influenze that have been spreading among wild birds in the arctic. They only infect wild birds. But once they get to South China or Southeast Asia where they overwinter, they give the new strain to Chinese domestic geese. The strains eventually jump to pigs and to humans. There are generally 15 or so new strains each year.
The process of trying to figure early on which 3 or 4 strains are the most likely to make it to humans is how they figure out which strains to put in flu shopts for that season. WHO is pretty good at guessing and about 85% of the time they hit the strain on the head and another 8% of so they come close enough to give fair protection. The rest of the time they miss.
What happens in this three-cornered transmission of strains of the flu from birds to pigs to humans is that strains occur that human bodies haven't seen for decades. Some of these can be really serious, especially if they are strains more generally associated with birds (avian flu) or pigs (swine flu) than humans.
The last really bad one was the Spanish flu from WWI times. It went one flu cycle as a mild form of the swine flu. The next cycle it returned as the same strain, but instead of being mild, it caused extremely serious pneumonia and targeted the most hearty people --- men aged 18-25. In fact the healthier the person was the more likely it was to kill them. The victim's immune system actually was triggered by the virus to kill the victim. And this was in the middle of WWII. Millions died. Then the next year it returned, as a very serious but different form of pneumonia, and it attacked all ages and was particularly deadly among the elderly and infants. It caused a pneumonia that turned the lungs into a plaster cast. Millions more dies. Then it returned a couple of years as bad forms of the flu, but only hilled hundreds of thousands. Then it didn't happen again for decades. So a repeat of the Spanish Flu is set up to occur again because no one has much immunity to that strain. And ditto for the avian flu. I don't know of a single cycle comparable to the Spanish Flu, but there were have been four other pandemics since. The one that is the most set up is avian flu. It does get going among birds, especially domestic chickens on chicken farms. And some forms of it can be so deadly that it can kill a healthy chicken in three hours. But it has difficulty jumping to humans. If it ever learns that trick, we could have a flu pandemic more serious that the Spanish Flu. More serious because the population is more dense and because the world has intense rapid international travel.
So that is why so many pople are trying to track the various strains of the flu. Maybe one in two hundred can be lethal to millions. Even when it is not one of those, if they can guess right on what will be the dominant strain in time to make and distribute a vaccine containing that strain, the death rate will be minimal and the spread will be containable.
But this is no reflection on the sanitary habits of the Chinese or Southeast Asians or anything they do with their animals. And making remarks to state or imply that only show your own ignorance.
If so, one would think it would be more likely to start someplace like India or Africa, with a high birthrate. I believe the Chinese are known for for practicing some fairly extreme birth control already....
It has little to do with population density and everything to do with wild bird migration patterns. It starts in Siberia and Alaska and Canada. And everybody knows about the poor hygiene among the Siberians and Inuit --- they don't wipe, they just let it freeze and break it off. LOL
Bioterror. Folks it seems to me somebody better start doing some thinking about all the crates coming into this country. They are into preparing our medicines, for billion dollar American Drug companys, our food, clothing, even our childrens toys for christ sakes. They the Chinese have been caught changing medicine formulas to cheaper substitutes so they could make more money and the poor people who took the medicince suffered, yes Americans. They have been caught using lead base paint on childrens toys. Folks nothing as I have read is being done to these people when they cut these dangerous corners to try and profit. The American business', if you can call them that, still keep going back, they profit too. It's got to stop. Somebody is going to have to grow some balls and stand up and stop this. just say'in
you are right. i have been saying this for years but like everything else nobody won'ts to listen i am just one man a my opinion does not mean @!$%#.company's just care about money and don't care who they hurt. we must stand up and take this country back and i mean from all who are not true americans. if some one would tell me how to start i would try to do something i just can't do it by myself
I would start by seeking out American made products whenever possible. Failing that, then maybe North American products, etc. Buy products from companies whose business practices you can feel good about supporting. Buy products from local or regional craftsmen. It may not be a solution, but it could be a start.
I would start by throwing out all the professional politicians who go to Washington to make themselves rich and feather their own nests with "funds" from special interests that they made legal.
Then elect people who have the balls to pass the laws we need to take our country back and repeal the laws that protect the big business interests only.
But we do not have the voters who can see beyond all the slippery dialog of the politicians. They just follow the one that seems to be popular. We are going to get what we deserve in the long run.
I also wonder, could we stop doing business with them now. Now that they own so much of our country. They have almost all of the American technology given to their workers by American Corporations wanting to make a few at the top billionairs. Do we have the equipment the manufacturing base left in this country to withstand a third world war. Questions I hope someone is asking themselves. If war broke out they would be coming after our food and if things stay the same it would be a hard one for us to win.
Ah so, but you try our Kentucky Flied Pussy! Meow lickin' good. And they have a chain called Arfy's with a cute little cowboy hat and another called Pup-n-Suds ---- no, that's here.
They not only eat them, they skin them alive and keep them alive as they sit on tables on display for the shoppers. Then there is an added charge for killing and "cleaning" them.
They decided this way the "product" looked more like meat than family.
Let's hope this thing doesn't mutate and become more transmissable. With the current research ban we won't have much upfront knowledge of how to deal with that.
The research ban only pertained to specific research that sought to create the most virulent and dangerous possible strain of avian flu. It seemed like a good idea and got past the peer reviewers and NIH and got funded. About the time they were getting ready to publish on it people starting to say WTF. The initial project will very ill-thought-out because there really wasn't much useful that could come out of it. But the final results, if published, would enable a terrorist with a couple of years of college biology to create a virus capable of being used as a very serious, but inexpensive, weapon. So they stopped the publication, called in all the data and records, and shut the projec down. And then NIH passed a research ban on creating super-virulent diseases.
The ban in no way effected the worldwide monitoring of each year's crop of flu viruses so that vaccines can be made and that data is what also feeds the WHO and CDCP efforts to detect pandemic-possible strains before they can get going. If anything more knowledge is there because a couple of researchers were pulled off a dumb project and are now available to do real work.
Wow..the Ignorance on this board is stunning. Do you think we don't have factory farmed birds or deadly viruses here? Wow...anyway..good luck to you you are going to need it. Or really make a plan and go out and get a magic 8 ball..
I could be wrong, but my understanding was that humans typically catch bird flu from living/working in close proximity to the birds, which are also kept in close proximity to each other. Most of us don't live in close proximity to factory-farmed birds. As to the workers, maybe safety regs and procedures come into play here, preventing our factory workers from getting it? Anyway, good luck to all of us when the virus figures out how to transmit itself easily from human to human. Won't matter where it started then.
You are right that most cases of avian flu are caught by people who work with domestic birds, usually chicken or geese farms. And it can be deadly in that form to a handful of people. But what they are watching for is it to pass from human to human after passing from bird (or pig) to human. That could be very mild and nothing more than a normal flu or it could be extremely deadly and kill millions upon millions all over the world.
That's why they keep such a close watch on it and why they are so careful.
Ever notice all those advertisements on the page? They are there because they pay these sites to put them there. And the more sensational the story, the more people visit that article, just like you did, and the more money they pay for the space to put their ads.
It's called "capitalism". That's how this country runs. For the time being anyway.
Why does this make news? Since the media is fully controlled, told what, when, where and how to report information... articles of this nature are at the top of the 'todo list'.
The intention of this article as in most new is to spread the fear into each of you. In so doing, they hope that by the time this spreads and becomes worse, you will cry out for the government to " DO SOMETHING "... of which they will issue mandatory shots - along with GPS tracking system inplant, for all to accept or deny.
Those who deny - sent off away from the populous. What's wrong with this? Is good for the country as then we'll always know where everyone is on this planet?
Only fools would accept this - yeah, I know it's great for the kids so they quit being taken which is fine. When it becomes pushed onto all citizens as a do or die ( i.e. - accept the gps tracker injection along with the flu-shot or you don't get the shot... IF they even let you know the tracker is in with the shot... they do so much underhanded it's hard to know. )
Feel this to be fear-mongering what have you..... check into history and locate the number of times government has not presented full disclosure in many arenas.
You won't get 'A BETTER RACE' by killing innocent people around you... you'll get criminals in control who stop at nothing, including murder - especially if you go against their wishes.
THINK ON IT.. take in the whole picture through history, and realize what is presenting itself. This 'flu' made news last year when the scientist stole it from the lab and was arrested before getting rid of it - AND THEY BLAMED THE SCIENTIST for wanting to 'release it into the public'.
Better think long and hard. Their eyes are everywhere - where are your own ?
You better not watch them, but they can sure as *(** watch you? Such a fair situation - in this free country.
Just don't make a move astray from their expectations.
Actually folks, this is scary news. Even though these bird flu deaths happened in China, the chances of the deadly virus ending up in the U.S. is very possible. The virus can contaminate the population via imports from China, also international travelers.
Read about the Great Pandemic of 1918 and educate yourselves.
The country of China is such a dirty place - that's what happens when you don't have sanitation as part of your culture. Be thankful that we are from the land of the free and salute the American flag daily.
I hope people are ready for the pandemic that will surely come in the near future. Anyone familiar with the Bilderberg conspiracy, would find all this info on Bird flu lately, to be very disturbing indeed. Especially the story of them mutating it, so it becomes virulent.
I suspect they want a long enough incubation period, so that it can spread fully, before people become sick with it. IE. They want everyone to be exposed to it and infected, before anyone realizes theres an epidemic. Only genetic engineering could accomplish that.
I'm a clinical Med-Tech, but I know enough about the biotech industry to realize that this virus will mutate VERY quickly and very often - and EVERY scientist I have talked to has told me that we WOULD NOT be able to stop the next animal to human crossover flu pandemic ANY MORE than we were able to stop the epidemic of 1918.
Vaccinations won't make a hill of beans worth of difference. The virus will keep mutating as it spreads from human to human.
The key to survival of a pandemic, will be to stay well away from all people. Wear a proper surgical mask at all times. And keep your supply of food sealed in a sterile place, and stay in there with it. Otherwise, you better hope you have an immune system that can fight.
It is a grat deal more difficult than that. You must not only stay at least 50 feet away from all people, you have to stay 50 feet away from anything they have touched. A surgical mask is worthless against a virus. It doesn't help even a little bit. You have to have a full CBR-rated gas mask and preferable sealed clothing under it. And you need to have that sealed sterile food supply for about 2 years --- that is the usual length of a pandemic of the type you're talking about --- two trips around the earth.
And a good immune system isn't all it is cracked up to be. In fact, during the Spanish Flu epidemic, it was the people with the best immune systems (healthy men between 18-25) who were the most likely to die. This is because the actual cause of death was their own immune system, reacting to the flu, and going into a "storm" of response so bad that it killed the person. Millions of them. So I wouldn't count on those vitamins and veggies to help --- they might actually kill you.
If they decide to "spread an infection" of any kind it would be easy. Put a dab in every shoe they send to us. It would take a bit of time for the infectious element to incubate in the moist, warm shoes and get absorbed into the foot. Then a bit of time to spread it to others at home or at school or at work.
It would be a bloodless war. Our experts will never figure it out. Done right, our children will sicken and die first...throwing the adults into total chaos without the ability to respond.
just think if we could bring all troops home and give them jobs on our boarders and keep the money here and start making things here again how much better off we would be. and stop giveing the other country's money we gave pakistan 18 billion for what i don't understand.back when i was little everything in our house said made in the USA. sorry to get of topic
This is the ugly side of globalism {among others}. TPTB will not stop international trade. If they do, the whole house of cards that is the global economy comes tumbleing down. Remember the last bout of this a couple of years ago? It started in Mexico that time, and the Feds knew about it for months and did nothing! The first casualties were americans on cruise ships, that had made port o' calls in Cancun and Cozumel. They could have closed the border, but they chose not to, because of NAFTA trade laws and money. Asian countries have allot to lose from this, they will do all they can to contain it, Vietnam especially so. Nobody wants rampant bird flu. They know what to do this time, and I suspect they are trying to do all they can to contain it. Lets hope they are successful.
as long as our species continues to manufacture animal (meat, fur) products in a manner that does not honor and respect the individual needs of these innocent creatures for a decent quality of life, we will suffer the backlash of inhumane containment and "processing" of these lives. we, in my opinion, deserve what we get. compassion and empathy for all life is in order. when will we understand that these creatures suffer as we would suffer, are stressed as we would be in such cruel living conditions? living creatures, animals that are used for their fur, meat and for the research laboratories, feel pain and torment as we do. ask the meat department and ask the restaurant that you patronize where the meat originates and under what circumstances were these lives raised. the health of a society is measured by the way societies treat their animals. I believe that Ghandi made that point, among other wise human beings.
China is one of the nastiest countries in the world, and yet everything we buy practically is made there. I look at all my items before buying them, and if it says China back on the shelf it goes.
Are you really sure of this? Many Chinese say the same thing about this country and the people here. Japanese are just horrified that Americans generally bathe only once a day. They cannot conceive of people that nasty. The Chinese are scandalized that Americans and some Europeans actually sit on a toilet seat that other people have sat on. I've know Chinese people who became physically ill when they had to use an American public restroom because they seem than as incredibly nasty.
I have a feeling you've never been out of your small town, let alone to China.
if this is at all true, which it sounds very likely, we should definitely open season on all poultry, because frankly birds just sound more and more like the devil to me.
i think china knows what is going on, they are testing a virus to see what it will do then they will send it over here. like they do all of there @!$%# remember made in china!!
Please continue your noble effort to educate the masses. Your reasonable point of view, based on the weight of credible evidence, should ignite a wildfire of global outrage. Keep preaching the truth brother. Perhaps disclosing some of the evidence will help. I look forward to supporting your cause once I see it.
This Asian incubator of disease will bring about the death of BBBBBillions.
I am fine with this as long as it starts in China first... If it started anywhere else the Chinese would be totally on edge against anyone coming into China.. They could care less where they end up spreading it...
It will be spread globally sooner than later... Because they travel and have immigrated throughout the globe.
Does anyone want a reason not to have things produced in China? Here is one. No, this is two... The lead paint everyone is so worried about being put on toys is nothing compared to what kids will be getting from their contaminated Chinese produced toys..
Please, cite them all:
1. Toys from China containing lead paint.
2. Drywall from China used to restore/build many homes containing chemicals
that eat away and destroy metal materials and human respritory systems.
3. MSG presented from China from one indiividual extracting the ingredient from plants... to add to regular foods.
Toys - what people love providing their offspring.
Drywall - homes where people live.
MSG - all food supplies we humans consume. Little more than a 'drug' causing your brain to make you 'think' the food tastes better... no flavor enhancement whatsoever. A Mind drug, you eat daily by not paying attention to food ingredients.
note: ( MSG = Monosodium Glutamate )
Not all Chinese are behind this... as in America, so many are unaware of what truly goes on at their government level.
Get involved with your government, learn what they are doing by following them as much as possible with all they do - the same as they are doing to you, your neighbor and anyone else they feel to be a threat to national security.
Don't forget to cite Phillip-Morris, asbestos, thalidomide, transfat, Salmonella, E.coli, Fen-Fen, Ford Explorers, acid rain, etc etc etc. Oh and the worst one (well not actually, Phillip Morris kills more by far, and there are many other contamination sites by our companies in the mid-east, Africa, and Latin America, but this one was spectacular) was our Bhopal India plant.
Come on...let us be practical on this...what better way to defeat your enemy than to befriend him and share your products with them? Let him become dependant on you and by all means give him unlimited credit.
Our own lawmakers passed laws that encouraged Americans to move sometimes total production of needed items ( dishes, brooms, shoes, toys, cheap foods) to China. So we have ourselves to blame for electing "sell-outs" to govern us.
Now China has basically "won the war" we might have fought with bullets and blood. They never fired a shot. They can finish us off any time they want to now with a few contaminated items. No one in our government will stop them...we owe them toooooo much money. "Them what makes the money makes the rules." Game over, we just will not admit it.
Does anyone wonder about the chinese and the chicken flu?
They practicly live with the animals and the chickens are part of the family.
Then just consider the chinese hygene and the surprise is that ONLY a few hundred caught this dreaded desease. So far that is. Or have riported it. With more than a billion of them a few thousand is just a drop in the bucket. When millions start catching the flu we might start worrying.
Jeez what BS posts. Are you people that clueless? Do you really know absolutely nothing about the world you live in?
This has been going on for millions of years and it has nothing at all with how Chinese live, how their animals live or hygiene in general. Those are just stu[id misconceptions thrown around by miserably ill-informed people.
Every year wilb birds migrate from Siberia and Alaska to China for the winter. These wild birds bring whatever strains of influenze that have been spreading among wild birds in the arctic. They only infect wild birds. But once they get to South China or Southeast Asia where they overwinter, they give the new strain to Chinese domestic geese. The strains eventually jump to pigs and to humans. There are generally 15 or so new strains each year.
The process of trying to figure early on which 3 or 4 strains are the most likely to make it to humans is how they figure out which strains to put in flu shopts for that season. WHO is pretty good at guessing and about 85% of the time they hit the strain on the head and another 8% of so they come close enough to give fair protection. The rest of the time they miss.
What happens in this three-cornered transmission of strains of the flu from birds to pigs to humans is that strains occur that human bodies haven't seen for decades. Some of these can be really serious, especially if they are strains more generally associated with birds (avian flu) or pigs (swine flu) than humans.
The last really bad one was the Spanish flu from WWI times. It went one flu cycle as a mild form of the swine flu. The next cycle it returned as the same strain, but instead of being mild, it caused extremely serious pneumonia and targeted the most hearty people --- men aged 18-25. In fact the healthier the person was the more likely it was to kill them. The victim's immune system actually was triggered by the virus to kill the victim. And this was in the middle of WWII. Millions died. Then the next year it returned, as a very serious but different form of pneumonia, and it attacked all ages and was particularly deadly among the elderly and infants. It caused a pneumonia that turned the lungs into a plaster cast. Millions more dies. Then it returned a couple of years as bad forms of the flu, but only hilled hundreds of thousands. Then it didn't happen again for decades. So a repeat of the Spanish Flu is set up to occur again because no one has much immunity to that strain. And ditto for the avian flu. I don't know of a single cycle comparable to the Spanish Flu, but there were have been four other pandemics since. The one that is the most set up is avian flu. It does get going among birds, especially domestic chickens on chicken farms. And some forms of it can be so deadly that it can kill a healthy chicken in three hours. But it has difficulty jumping to humans. If it ever learns that trick, we could have a flu pandemic more serious that the Spanish Flu. More serious because the population is more dense and because the world has intense rapid international travel.
So that is why so many pople are trying to track the various strains of the flu. Maybe one in two hundred can be lethal to millions. Even when it is not one of those, if they can guess right on what will be the dominant strain in time to make and distribute a vaccine containing that strain, the death rate will be minimal and the spread will be containable.
But this is no reflection on the sanitary habits of the Chinese or Southeast Asians or anything they do with their animals. And making remarks to state or imply that only show your own ignorance.
Thanks, for your post. It was very informative. I am not in medicine -- but always like to be in the know.
This is it. This is the one. In a couple months it'll be all over the world. Mark my words.
GOOD! i hope it kills billions and only leaves 1-2 hundred thousand people, and may it be the most technologically challenged that survive.
Yea, maybe it will peak on December 21, 2012. That is a special day when Aukmadinnernutjob plans to make a special delivery to Israel. Maybe....
But then this is or may be just the way God is saying enough is enough, let's start birth control or else.
JD, that was Bush stating that an he sure isn't GOD.
If so, one would think it would be more likely to start someplace like India or Africa, with a high birthrate. I believe the Chinese are known for for practicing some fairly extreme birth control already....
It has little to do with population density and everything to do with wild bird migration patterns. It starts in Siberia and Alaska and Canada. And everybody knows about the poor hygiene among the Siberians and Inuit --- they don't wipe, they just let it freeze and break it off. LOL
Bioterror. Folks it seems to me somebody better start doing some thinking about all the crates coming into this country. They are into preparing our medicines, for billion dollar American Drug companys, our food, clothing, even our childrens toys for christ sakes. They the Chinese have been caught changing medicine formulas to cheaper substitutes so they could make more money and the poor people who took the medicince suffered, yes Americans. They have been caught using lead base paint on childrens toys. Folks nothing as I have read is being done to these people when they cut these dangerous corners to try and profit. The American business', if you can call them that, still keep going back, they profit too. It's got to stop. Somebody is going to have to grow some balls and stand up and stop this. just say'in
you are right. i have been saying this for years but like everything else nobody won'ts to listen i am just one man a my opinion does not mean @!$%#.company's just care about money and don't care who they hurt. we must stand up and take this country back and i mean from all who are not true americans. if some one would tell me how to start i would try to do something i just can't do it by myself
I would start by seeking out American made products whenever possible. Failing that, then maybe North American products, etc. Buy products from companies whose business practices you can feel good about supporting. Buy products from local or regional craftsmen. It may not be a solution, but it could be a start.
I would start by throwing out all the professional politicians who go to Washington to make themselves rich and feather their own nests with "funds" from special interests that they made legal.
Then elect people who have the balls to pass the laws we need to take our country back and repeal the laws that protect the big business interests only.
But we do not have the voters who can see beyond all the slippery dialog of the politicians. They just follow the one that seems to be popular. We are going to get what we deserve in the long run.
I also wonder, could we stop doing business with them now. Now that they own so much of our country. They have almost all of the American technology given to their workers by American Corporations wanting to make a few at the top billionairs. Do we have the equipment the manufacturing base left in this country to withstand a third world war. Questions I hope someone is asking themselves. If war broke out they would be coming after our food and if things stay the same it would be a hard one for us to win.
With our open borders and the push to issue more visas how long do you think it will take for this flu to reach our shores?
And why do we still buy food and medical products from these countrys ?
They still eat dogs and cats,
Are you serious?? They eat literal dogs and cats? Or do you mean that they eat hot dogs, and hot cats?
Interesting concept NotsoSuprised,
In this 'dog-eat-dog' world... these aparent humans eat all the dogs. Guess they truly do wish to remain on top.
Last time I was there they ate Kentucky Fried Chicken. They deliver!
Ah so, but you try our Kentucky Flied Pussy! Meow lickin' good. And they have a chain called Arfy's with a cute little cowboy hat and another called Pup-n-Suds ---- no, that's here.
They not only eat them, they skin them alive and keep them alive as they sit on tables on display for the shoppers. Then there is an added charge for killing and "cleaning" them.
They decided this way the "product" looked more like meat than family.
Let's hope this thing doesn't mutate and become more transmissable. With the current research ban we won't have much upfront knowledge of how to deal with that.
@Fred Guisse,
The research ban only pertained to specific research that sought to create the most virulent and dangerous possible strain of avian flu. It seemed like a good idea and got past the peer reviewers and NIH and got funded. About the time they were getting ready to publish on it people starting to say WTF. The initial project will very ill-thought-out because there really wasn't much useful that could come out of it. But the final results, if published, would enable a terrorist with a couple of years of college biology to create a virus capable of being used as a very serious, but inexpensive, weapon. So they stopped the publication, called in all the data and records, and shut the projec down. And then NIH passed a research ban on creating super-virulent diseases.
The ban in no way effected the worldwide monitoring of each year's crop of flu viruses so that vaccines can be made and that data is what also feeds the WHO and CDCP efforts to detect pandemic-possible strains before they can get going. If anything more knowledge is there because a couple of researchers were pulled off a dumb project and are now available to do real work.
Wow..the Ignorance on this board is stunning. Do you think we don't have factory farmed birds or deadly viruses here? Wow...anyway..good luck to you you are going to need it. Or really make a plan and go out and get a magic 8 ball..
I could be wrong, but my understanding was that humans typically catch bird flu from living/working in close proximity to the birds, which are also kept in close proximity to each other. Most of us don't live in close proximity to factory-farmed birds. As to the workers, maybe safety regs and procedures come into play here, preventing our factory workers from getting it? Anyway, good luck to all of us when the virus figures out how to transmit itself easily from human to human. Won't matter where it started then.
@Swaggien,
You are right that most cases of avian flu are caught by people who work with domestic birds, usually chicken or geese farms. And it can be deadly in that form to a handful of people. But what they are watching for is it to pass from human to human after passing from bird (or pig) to human. That could be very mild and nothing more than a normal flu or it could be extremely deadly and kill millions upon millions all over the world.
That's why they keep such a close watch on it and why they are so careful.
I fail to see the story here.
Should we always be vigilant about diseases? Of course. Does it deserve headlines when someone dies from it? No.
We are talking about two deaths in a country of about 2 billion. This is hardly an epidemic.
Ever notice all those advertisements on the page? They are there because they pay these sites to put them there. And the more sensational the story, the more people visit that article, just like you did, and the more money they pay for the space to put their ads.
It's called "capitalism". That's how this country runs. For the time being anyway.
Why does this make news? Since the media is fully controlled, told what, when, where and how to report information... articles of this nature are at the top of the 'todo list'.
The intention of this article as in most new is to spread the fear into each of you. In so doing, they hope that by the time this spreads and becomes worse, you will cry out for the government to " DO SOMETHING "... of which they will issue mandatory shots - along with GPS tracking system inplant, for all to accept or deny.
Those who deny - sent off away from the populous. What's wrong with this? Is good for the country as then we'll always know where everyone is on this planet?
Only fools would accept this - yeah, I know it's great for the kids so they quit being taken which is fine. When it becomes pushed onto all citizens as a do or die ( i.e. - accept the gps tracker injection along with the flu-shot or you don't get the shot... IF they even let you know the tracker is in with the shot... they do so much underhanded it's hard to know. )
Feel this to be fear-mongering what have you..... check into history and locate the number of times government has not presented full disclosure in many arenas.
You won't get 'A BETTER RACE' by killing innocent people around you... you'll get criminals in control who stop at nothing, including murder - especially if you go against their wishes.
THINK ON IT.. take in the whole picture through history, and realize what is presenting itself. This 'flu' made news last year when the scientist stole it from the lab and was arrested before getting rid of it - AND THEY BLAMED THE SCIENTIST for wanting to 'release it into the public'.
Better think long and hard. Their eyes are everywhere - where are your own ?
You better not watch them, but they can sure as *(** watch you? Such a fair situation - in this free country.
Just don't make a move astray from their expectations.
@Harbek,
Your tinfoil hat is slipping. Maybe time for your meds, no?
Intimidation, Domination and Control. That should sum it up.
You get a much more terrifying result, if you multiply them together, rather than adding. Then your tagline will read: And that is the product.
And fearful it is. Who in their right mind wants to be dominated by a chicken? BDCS= bondage, domination, chicken sandwich. I shudder.
Actually folks, this is scary news. Even though these bird flu deaths happened in China, the chances of the deadly virus ending up in the U.S. is very possible. The virus can contaminate the population via imports from China, also international travelers.
Read about the Great Pandemic of 1918 and educate yourselves.
The country of China is such a dirty place - that's what happens when you don't have sanitation as part of your culture. Be thankful that we are from the land of the free and salute the American flag daily.
Ever spent any time in China?
On this article and the H5N1 strain...........
US Medical Scientists is all I can say.
When men begin to control who gets to live and who doesn't... democrocy no longer exists.
I hope people are ready for the pandemic that will surely come in the near future. Anyone familiar with the Bilderberg conspiracy, would find all this info on Bird flu lately, to be very disturbing indeed. Especially the story of them mutating it, so it becomes virulent.
I suspect they want a long enough incubation period, so that it can spread fully, before people become sick with it. IE. They want everyone to be exposed to it and infected, before anyone realizes theres an epidemic. Only genetic engineering could accomplish that.
Be afraid, be very afraid...
Freedom-
I'm a clinical Med-Tech, but I know enough about the biotech industry to realize that this virus will mutate VERY quickly and very often - and EVERY scientist I have talked to has told me that we WOULD NOT be able to stop the next animal to human crossover flu pandemic ANY MORE than we were able to stop the epidemic of 1918.
Vaccinations won't make a hill of beans worth of difference. The virus will keep mutating as it spreads from human to human.
The key to survival of a pandemic, will be to stay well away from all people. Wear a proper surgical mask at all times. And keep your supply of food sealed in a sterile place, and stay in there with it. Otherwise, you better hope you have an immune system that can fight.
@Freedom,
It is a grat deal more difficult than that. You must not only stay at least 50 feet away from all people, you have to stay 50 feet away from anything they have touched. A surgical mask is worthless against a virus. It doesn't help even a little bit. You have to have a full CBR-rated gas mask and preferable sealed clothing under it. And you need to have that sealed sterile food supply for about 2 years --- that is the usual length of a pandemic of the type you're talking about --- two trips around the earth.
And a good immune system isn't all it is cracked up to be. In fact, during the Spanish Flu epidemic, it was the people with the best immune systems (healthy men between 18-25) who were the most likely to die. This is because the actual cause of death was their own immune system, reacting to the flu, and going into a "storm" of response so bad that it killed the person. Millions of them. So I wouldn't count on those vitamins and veggies to help --- they might actually kill you.
If they decide to "spread an infection" of any kind it would be easy. Put a dab in every shoe they send to us. It would take a bit of time for the infectious element to incubate in the moist, warm shoes and get absorbed into the foot. Then a bit of time to spread it to others at home or at school or at work.
It would be a bloodless war. Our experts will never figure it out. Done right, our children will sicken and die first...throwing the adults into total chaos without the ability to respond.
just think if we could bring all troops home and give them jobs on our boarders and keep the money here and start making things here again how much better off we would be. and stop giveing the other country's money we gave pakistan 18 billion for what i don't understand.back when i was little everything in our house said made in the USA. sorry to get of topic
Questions,
1) Will our boarders object? Will they still have to pay rent?
2) Is it the boarder's rent money that we will keep here? If so, why?
3) How much more would you be willing to ay for things made in the USA? Ten times as much? If not, sorry.
4) What other country's money are we giving to Pakistan? Do they know about it?
5) When I was little everything in my house said made in Japan. It was already starting 68 years ago.
Selective nostalgia is a wonderful thing. Oh, the yearning for a past that never was.
I like your ideas! But that is 18 billion A YEAR we give to Pakistan...and we are building three hospitals as well.
This is the ugly side of globalism {among others}. TPTB will not stop international trade. If they do, the whole house of cards that is the global economy comes tumbleing down. Remember the last bout of this a couple of years ago? It started in Mexico that time, and the Feds knew about it for months and did nothing! The first casualties were americans on cruise ships, that had made port o' calls in Cancun and Cozumel. They could have closed the border, but they chose not to, because of NAFTA trade laws and money. Asian countries have allot to lose from this, they will do all they can to contain it, Vietnam especially so. Nobody wants rampant bird flu. They know what to do this time, and I suspect they are trying to do all they can to contain it. Lets hope they are successful.
birdbrains !
as long as our species continues to manufacture animal (meat, fur) products in a manner that does not honor and respect the individual needs of these innocent creatures for a decent quality of life, we will suffer the backlash of inhumane containment and "processing" of these lives. we, in my opinion, deserve what we get. compassion and empathy for all life is in order. when will we understand that these creatures suffer as we would suffer, are stressed as we would be in such cruel living conditions? living creatures, animals that are used for their fur, meat and for the research laboratories, feel pain and torment as we do. ask the meat department and ask the restaurant that you patronize where the meat originates and under what circumstances were these lives raised. the health of a society is measured by the way societies treat their animals. I believe that Ghandi made that point, among other wise human beings.
China is one of the nastiest countries in the world, and yet everything we buy practically is made there. I look at all my items before buying them, and if it says China back on the shelf it goes.
Are you really sure of this? Many Chinese say the same thing about this country and the people here. Japanese are just horrified that Americans generally bathe only once a day. They cannot conceive of people that nasty. The Chinese are scandalized that Americans and some Europeans actually sit on a toilet seat that other people have sat on. I've know Chinese people who became physically ill when they had to use an American public restroom because they seem than as incredibly nasty.
I have a feeling you've never been out of your small town, let alone to China.
Ever been there?
Poor hygiene practices.....those birds should cover their beaks when they sneeze...
if this is at all true, which it sounds very likely, we should definitely open season on all poultry, because frankly birds just sound more and more like the devil to me.
@#$% birds!