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The controversy will not distract people from the issue of women's health and breast cancer. It will just redirect it to organizations that actually care about women's health more than they care about their logo and their motto. SGK is now engaged in an attempt at misdirection. I'm not losing sight of the issue but I am losing sight of Komen and leaving it far behind.
Agreed. The misdirection is glaringly obvious. This began to boomerang on Komen immediately...no delay at all in our reactions.
Predicting the resignation of two members of the SGK senior management and a change in policy, otherwise SGK will find itself much smaller in the future. Never a good idea to mix business and politics. Poor management.
Thanks, Mayor Bloomberg. Nice gesture.
As the article quotes Komen: "We do not bow to political pressure."
But they do know which way the prevailing winds are blowing.
Bloomberg is in the wrong. He is the mayor for ALL people in his city. This billionaire picking and choosing should not happen. Both organizations help women. Today he picked one group of women over the other in NYC.
I thought Komen stopped support for PP because it was under investigation (for what?) and such an investigation meant it no longer met Komen's criteria for donations. That doesn't sound particularly political to me, just a dogmatic application of their policies.
Jo Ann: As an American citizen, Bloomberg can donate to whomever he pleases, just not with public money.
Kudos to Bloomberg!
Why is he wrong? Just because he's the mayor, that means he can't spend HIS money the way HE wants? Now, if it was CITY money, I would agree with you.
BTW: The difference between Bloomberg's money and SKF money -- it's HIS money, it wasn't donated by other people.
Check and Mate. The GOP Taliban backdoor attack on Planned Parenthood failed. Planned Parenthood does so much more than abortions. It's work involves ALL women's health services. It prevents more unwanted pregnancies than it terminates.
Jo Ann-666954
It's his personal money. He did it because political motivation is threatening support for women. How is that choosing one group over another... unless you believe the red meat from the right?
Komen's "investigation" coverup is pretty hypocritical, given that another poster found this information the day the story broke:
Kudos to Mr. Bloomberg! And sorry JoAnn but your post makes zero sense. How exactly does this donation pick one group of women over another?? PP provides services for ALL women who request them. So, in this case all women win! Komen doesn't represent one group of women while PP represents another. That's just ridiculous. Actually, right now it appears that Komen is representing right wing religious men rather than any women at all. You're either for women's health or you're not. PP is for it, and Komen is apparently now against it unless you agree with their ideology. That's just sickening. And they are paying for it big time, as they should. This is probably the best thing that has ever happened to PP, and isn't that just a little poetic justice?
Looks like Mr. Bloomberg is not the only one who feels Planned Parenthood deserves support:
Planned Parenthood sees big spike in donations
Goodness gracious...is it so hard to believe that the reason that SGK is not funding "Planned Parenthood" is because "Planned Parenthood" is under investigation. It is a policy and a good policy not to fund an entity that could be misusing funds.
"Planned Parenthood" lost their mission a very long time ago when they started spending $$$$$ to lobby instead of provide necessary services for women's health. In 2011 they spent over $1.7 million dollars toward their lobby efforts.
Planned Parenthood is a shining example of what has gone wrong with non-profits in this country. Turning them into big business where "other" values come before their initial purpose. Their President, Cecile Richards in 2010 made $400,000 dollars in her post. Of course she is joined by a whole host of other top execs who rake in six figure salaries.
So why would the liberal media wish to slander SGK organization...what they may have to fire a couple of VP's or short women care.
Planned Parenthood have better crossed their "t's" and dotted their "i's" because if they didn't they might just go the way of ACORN.
tx mom stop your lying. Your need to turn off Fox News. Your statement doesn't make sense at all Acorn has nothing to do with any of this.
and Komen goes the way of other right wing politacal groups, in the toilet. By embracing politics and abandoning women, they have lost our support. My family will non longer participate in their drives. The pink ribbons are in the trash.
Yes TX Mom: it is that hard to believe--some of us weren't born yesterday.
The "investigation" is a sham that anyone (ok nearly anyone) can see through. There is no "investigation"...It's simply harrassment. There are no federal funds going for abortion. Planned Parenthood has proved it again and again and again and is always under attack by this angry, fanatical minority. This is just another anti-abortion right wing attack to do what they cannot do legally...make abortion illegal...so they are reduced to this constant attempt to make it unavailable.
Typical of the right wing douches out there - you can't voice your opinion and vote with your own pocketbook if you violate the right wing credos.
Listen Jo Ann-666954 and all of you others taking this type of pathetic position, Mr. Bloomberg can do whatever he wants on his own time with his own money. YOUR big mouths and 'only my way' attitudes can't stop him.
I commend Bloomberg for doing what he thinks is right. I disagree with much of his politics, but he's damm right on when it comes time to stop politicizing something and stop harming one class of people in the process.
The one you should be damming isn't Bloomberg - it's the idiot CEO of SGK. She's politicized the organization as a 'only right wing is right' group because of this. The problem is that WOMEN will suffer. POOR women. WOMEN WILL DIE OF BREAST CANCER BECAUSE OF THE CHOICE THIS IDIOT CEO MADE.
Many women go to planned parenthood because they can't afford the mammograms from any other source. This 'righteous liar' CEO has doomed some of them to not be able to find the breast cancer in time to save thier lives. You can thank her for that death sentence.
What the heck does ACORN have to do with mammograms?
The "investigation" is a one-man dog and pony show by a back bench Republican representative from Ocala, Florida. The only purpose of the "investigation" is to generate publicity for Rep. Stearns and his re-election campaign.
Check out www.breastcancer.org. Fantastic organization that blows Komen away. Smaller organization and could use the additional support.
Congrats to Bloomberg and for the Texas couple who donated $250k each to Planned Parenthood. Although I will not add that many zeroes, PP will be getting a donation from me too. They provide very needed services to women who would otherwise go without necessary preventive care. For those of you who do not think the Komen decision is political, check and see who their new Sr. VP for Public Policy is. (read Meghan Casserly's Feb 1 article in Forbes)
Personally, I would trust the record keeping at Planned Parenthood more than just about any other group. They are constantly being investigated and harrassed and have had to get very specific and consistent in their administrative processes to survive the ongoing witch hunts they are subject to.
FormerMarineSgt, Many women go to planned parenthood because they can't afford the mammograms from any other source.
When I went to www.plannedparenthood.org yesterday and looked under womens health I could find nothing about mammograms other than Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect
patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and
mammograms, it says nothing about doing mammograms themselves.
Real
Can you tell me which one of those Organizations are under investigation by the Congress or the Federal Gov't for wrong doing??
Oh the irony and hipocrisy-Penn State recieves a grant of over 5 million dollars and is currently under investigation for ...child sexual abuse!
So please tell me Komen is gonna cut the money to them too-because otherwise their explanation is utter hogwash.
Well Sarge if Bloomberg can do anything with his money why can't SGK??
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Just keep buying pink!"
Really? She actually warned to not scrutanize their decision because it will make people not care about breast cancer as much? This woman is doing a horrible job trying to cover up their motives to begin with, what with straight up changing their reasonings. To think so low of the public to claim something like that just adds a cherry on top. We're not stupid, we know about cancer and how terrible it is. Get over yourself lady. I've had 2 women in my family with cancer -ovarian, and cervical- one survied, one did not. Why not shed some light on those cancerous ladybits before trying to demean the general publics awareness on breast cancer? It seems like I can't even buy toothpaste or oatmeal or a bit of fluff without it having a damn pink ribbon plastered to it, so clearly that's really not something to worry about.
This was political. Pure and simple. SGK will quickly fade into obvlivion and other less political organizations will fill the gap. I understand that 1 out of every 4 women have gone to planned parenthood some time in their lifetime for one thing or another. When I was young and single in California, me and all my friends used planned parenthood. Even wealthy young ladies who didn't want to go to the family doctor for something personal would go to planned parenthood. They are, and have always been, an outstanding organization watching out for us ladies and a few men who also use their services.
SGK . . . "Turn out the lights, the party's over!"
Planned Parenthood is under investigation because some right to lifers in the Senate are trying to defund and thereby destroy the service. Using that investigation to show the service is questionable is the kind of circular thinking that will have us begging for right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
That these same right to lifers are the first to stand up for the death penalty and unilateral military actions without provocation is the elephant in the room here.
Kudos to the Mayor. Now if he was running for the GOP ticket he'd give the Dems a run for their money.... except the GOP has gone off the rails when the Tea Party took over with Mr Rush as leading spokesman and kingmaker.
For all that are screaming that Komen has made this political and has no right in doing so (if indeed, that is what they really did), why is it that Planned Parenthood gets a free pass for all the years of their political activity? Doesn't that smack of hypocrisy also?
The Komen organization has the right to withdraw funding. Bloomberg, with his own money can do what he wants. If others want to now make up the difference and give to Planned Parenthood, then do it.
Many support the Komen decision and many do not. The last I looked, this is still a free country, right?
I now consider those pink ribbons to be symbols of religious intolerance and persecution of women for political gain.
I will never again donate a dime to anyone with a pink ribbon or from Komen (should be called "Khomeini" as in Ayatollah Khomeini based on how they want to limit women's rights!)
Mayor Bloomberg and his BILLIONAIRE status just shows what the rich can really do with their money. THEY ARE BUYING VOTES! It's a shame really, because last I heard both organizations help women. I wonder how much longer will it be for all democrats in the state of NY to buy votes.
As for Planned Parenthood, everybody knows this is a ploy to degrade the Komen foundattion because they don't want to lose their tax dollars. If the democrats like Bloomberg are willing to step in from their own money and pay then that's even better, but the fact of the matter is that PP uses tax funds for govt. funded abortions; and any woman knows the reasons for going to Planned Parenthood are for birth control, STD testing, and Abortions. Not Breast Cancer Screenings!
Ahh, the 1% has spoken. You don't accumulate a net worth of $19.5 billion dollars by going to Occupy rally's. You don't become the 12th richest person in the country by sharing the wealth. He'll use your Democrat or Republican emotions to sway you. Which is it MB, you a Democrat or a Republican this week? How much does your secretary get in wages MB, and what's their tax rate compared to yours.
Bob: wayyyy off point. This isn't about Komen not pushing a political agenda (of course they have one: breast cancer research funding). This is about Komen suffering the consequences of selling out the women they supposedly serve to the far right extremists. They will now pay the price for their hypocrisy.
Planned Parenthood generally is the only primary health care provider for many uninsured women. As such, they are responsible for referring such services as mammograms and breast biopsies.
I cannot walk into the local Breast Care Center and ask for a mammogram without a referral, the test results can be sometimes be vague and indefinite leading to the need for followup with an radiologist or a surgeon. That requires complex decision medical making. Once the results are final, the treatment plan must be discussed which can be even more complex.
Planned Parenthood provides an access to medical care for women who are without the means to attain primary care and other health care services (they don't qualify for medical assistance and don't have health insurance).
In many areas they don't provide abortions, only healthcare and birth control.
I had a cancer scare when I was 27 and 2 of my sisters are survivors and I have supported SGK in the past but I will not give them one additional cent after their attack on Planned Parenthood.
Good riddance to them and their conservative politics.
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Tell me what's the difference between Planned Parenthood and a free clinic?
If Planned Parenthood would only cut off abortions and separated them into separate facilities then you would not have this backlash at all! Am I right?
They don't want to cut it off because they know they are funneling more money towards abortions than is supposedly recorded. I don't understand why so many people are siding with Planned Parenthood when in the past, on undercover surveillance, they have been known to lie. If it really was a christian backlash as you say about morality, then shouldn't the organization you support be just as upfront? Or maybe it's because you think that the liberal left is just allowed to lie and be immoral?
You can go to the health dept. and they will do a breast exam and refer you to the very same breast center for a mammogram as PP would. You can learn how to do a breast exam on the internet you don't have to go to PP. You can also learn how to do one in junior high school. You can get a Pap smear at the health dept. and you pay what you can afford determined by your income. They won't refer you to an abortionest. Times are tough and you have to make sure the money you spend you are getting good value out of it. There is lots of belt tightening. If you want an abortion go on the internet and type in abortion clinics and your location. If you don't have a computer go to the local library and you can use one for free. The referral system has changed and so must we.
It's time to BOYCOTT any fundraising by Komen. There are more worthy causes out there that could use some help with our hard earned dollars.
It's time to BOYCOTT Planned Parenthood! Any tax dollars given to them, for free by our government should be under the strictest regulations. If this was another organization, there would be no question how they should have been audited. Undercover surveillance shows they have not been keeping up their end of the business and should be shut down!
I hate having to use my tax dollars for such an unworthy organization. Let's give the money away to where it can do some real good!
'Unhappy-1583758' wrote:
REPLY: You have posted two false statements in the same sentence. Stating falsehoods is a very poor way to make a point; you should argue with truths.
Mayor Bloomberg is a registered INDEPENDENT since leaving the REPUBLICAN Party six years ago.
Planned Parenthood DOES NOT use tax funds for government funded abortions. It is audited annually, and has met the federal mandates for separation of funds as required by law.
You are entitled to make up your own mind, of course, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts.
Mayor Bloomberg's gift of $250,000 to Planned Parenthood, in response to the Komen Organization giving-in to Republican anti-choice intimidation and bullying is a magnificent commitment. Thank you Mr. Bloomberg once again, for your unfailing generosity and for your frequent demonstrations of your courage, compassion and humanity.
More and more, day by day, we see bountiful evidence displayed around our country for why compassionate Americans, such as Mayor Bloomberg, find they must leave the Republican party; a political party which has abandoned compassion.
And this latest example of zealous intimidation of Planned Parenthood by a Republican Congressman is another demonstration of just how far the so-called "Religious Right" has strayed from Christ's teachings, as noted in the Book of Matthew.
Ironic, isn't it, that persons of the Jewish faith such as Mr. Bloomberg often remind us all of those teachings by practicing greater "Christian values" than do many on the far Right whom identify themselves as Evangelicals?
Of course Jesus was also a Jew, and a Rabbi. And it is the Religious Right which has strayed most from adherence to Judeo-Christian teachings about humanity, compassion, tolerance and our obligations to our fellow human beings.
The so-called "Christian Right" has 'evolved' to become the oxymoron of our times. They are neither "Christian", nor are they "right."
TXmom32 and Unhappy....I can't believe how completely ignorant you are! Have you been so jaded watching Fox News that you can't see the forest for the trees. Regardless of your political affination, you should at least be able to smell crap when you come across it. Your total lack of the ability to see what is really happening here, when most all the rest of the country does see it, is beyond comprehension. The backsliding that the SBK CEO is doing right now, in addition to the resignation of some of their key people, should be able to tell even one-sided sheeple like you that their whole story stinks. But, even your feeble brains will finally get it when SBK loses so much of their funding from private citizens that they are forced to completely reorganize. Wake up!!
My opinion of Mayor Bloomberg just went up! Very nice gesture.
Well said Robert in Oregon.
Well I don't have a free clinic anywhere near me , I do have Planned Parenthood. While they don't preform mammograms on site ( try to get one with out a referral ) , Planned Parenthood was the only place that not only gave me the required referral but also found my cervical cancer . I got my biopsies there as well . I am alive and well thanks to the cancer screening & treatment services of Planned Parenthood . :D
Ever notice how many times they throw out "constitutional" and "legal" to win an argument... but when it doesn't fit with their agenda, the fact that Planned Parenthood is providing "legal" and "constitutional" services makes no difference to them. They then feel the need to impose their beliefs on others using any means possible.
Yeah Robert, I agree. It certainly is "compassionate" to slaughter the unborn.
To those of you saying that SBK should be allowed to give money to anybody they want, I agree. However....they have misrepresented their donation expectations in order to procure funds and then changed their stance once said funds were procured. After today, they should be allowed to donate any of the possible $17.50 that they will recieve in donations the rest of the year to whoever they want. Good luck with that.
"Politics have no place in health care. Breast cancer screening saves lives and hundreds of thousands of women rely on Planned Parenthood for access to care," Bloomberg said in a statement. "We should be helping women access that care, not placing barriers in their way." -- This quote is a pathetic joke from Bloomberg, a socialist, who supports gov. healthcare. If you don't want politics in planned parenthood then you better get rid of all the free tax money they receive. Until then they will put up with fraud investigations like everyone else. Just because they are extreme left does not make them exempt.
If you read Komen's standards, it clearly states they must cut off donations to any charity under investigation for mis-use of funds. Add to this that the stated mission of Komen is to get women to have regular mammograms, and the fact that Planned parenthood does not do mammograms, is sufficient in it's self. Add to that the fat that Planned parenthood is using federal money to pay for abortions - in direct conflict with the law that says no federal money may be used for abortions, you have a major conflict. The left wing is using this to hurt a charity? How noble of them let's take away the funds that komen uses to help women. Let those women who rely on Komen fend for themselves. how dare they not agree with Pelosi., and that upstanding Boxer.
oldman young eyes....PP uses 3% of their money to perform abortions. That's like calling Starbucks a sandwich shop because they occasionally sell sandwiches. A previous post was kind enough to post all the organizations that SBK donates to that are under investigation, so why was PP singled out? I believe your 'young eyes' are attached to an old fart brain that closes off the ability to look at something objectively when you don't agree with it. Not surprised there....
Real Amerian thanks for noting my research.
To the one who asked, every one of those investigations are by the government,
Komen also just donated (granted) money to Penn State $7,500,000 to their research dept, PENN STATE is ALSO under a government investigation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/susan-g-komen-penn-state_n_1250896.html
Pure politics, I bet those who are congratulating Komen for what they did to Planned Parenthood are doing it because of the investigation, I am certain none are doing it over abortion.
What kind of idiotic question is that? I'll make it a simple answer for you. Because Bloomberg is an individual using his own money, SGK is an organization that relies on donated (other peoples) money.
What I find amusing is that this has backfired on that Republican lawmaker. He's now pushed PP right up front where they will be receiving more donations and support from people like me who see this as yet another backdoor attack on abortion rights.
Steve, that's funny; I thought he is oldman blindeyes.
Wooohooo! You go stevef00!!! May I add that 3% of their services are abortion, but NONE of that money was from the SBK foundation, nor were government funds. This "investigation" was put in place to set this up. How this woman sleeps at night is beyond me.... suing anyone who uses "race for the cure".... are you friggin' kidding me? Using fundraiser money to sue. They permanently lost my support.
For the less than stellar in here, Mayor Bloomberg used his OWN money to donate to PP. The money from the SBK was raised by people like me who bought ribbons and walked in their walks so they could help women, not abandon them. I will NEVER EVER donate one red cent to that awful woman's organization who, by the way, spends way too much money on botox injections. She's ugly inside and out and I bet her sister is rolling over in her grave with this decision.
SHAME ON YOU SBK foundation.... you're toast.
Hmmm seems he's a good guy because he gives to pp. But if it was another story about his billions, he would be put through the wringer. One other thing mayor, I am sure the thousands of babies that will be aborted with your donation will appreciate your generosity.
Bloomberg, one of the few very rich that understands how other people live...
Why in the hell do the republicans want to destroy what a woman is as a person?
Nope....he's a good guy because he is contributing money that will help hundreds of young women that otherwise would not be able to get the help they so desperately needed. Glad that you can take such a magnanamous gesture and break it down to the one element that just bugs the crap out of you, completely disregarding all the good that the contribution will do for so many people. You one-way thinkers need to get off your one-trick concepts and think about all the other good that this will do.
spider-737231
REPLY: Without assuming anything about your personal social politics, and merely as a personal observation, ...
I always find it startling the prevalence of so-called "Right to Life Conservatives" whom argue so vehemently for the protection of the rights of the unborn, yet care so little, or not at all, about the rights of the already born pregnant mothers (many of whom became pregnant as a result of rape or incest or have serious health issues threatening their own lives should they attempt to carry a pregnancy through full term); and are Gung-ho advocates of Capital Punishment (execution), despite the mounting evidence of frequent convictions and death sentences for totally innocent human beings.
And the truly amazing thing is that even when pointed out to them these "Right to Life Conservatives" seem entirely unable to grasp the paradoxes in their selective zealotry, nor see their own hypocracy which is so evident to others.
ACORN was repeating the same story Planned Parenthood is repeating. Someone finally when into ACORN offices undercover and proved through hidden cameras that ACORN was lying to the government and the public the whole time.
Federal money (taxpayers money) going to one organization can easily go into other parts of the organization without detection.
IMO the abortion side should be totally separate from Planned Parenthood. This is the only way that the public will know 100% that no taxpayers money is going towards abortions.
Got any citations for that accusation Jo Ann?
What's that? No, I didn't think so...
Toasty, why cite truths and argue using substantive facts when innuendo and falsehoods (repeated ad nauseam) have proved so effective?
:-)
Jo Ann...since when do we, as taxpayers get to pick and choose exactly where our tax dollars go to? Personally, I hate seeing my own tax dollars going to support illegal wars, bailouts, and even more so, any religious organizations! Too damn bad! You pay your taxes and it's up to the govt to decide where that money goes. You may not always like it, but too bad! PP is a very worthwhile organization, which, unfortunately for your small-mindedness and one-sided agenda, you can't see because you are so blinded by your hatred of a small part of what they do.
Nicely done Mr. Bloomberg. I would hope that more millionaires will follow your lead and donate as well.(Tip his hat to Mr. B)
SGK's supposed "policy" was recently adopted in order to justify cutting off funds to PP, simply because their new policy director is a right-wing anti-choice crusader.
steve(double zero), you come in bitching about anyone who voices their opinion that you don't agree with. Maybe you should have been a recipient of planned parenthood.
Gabriel....I'm not really bitching about anyone who voices their opinion...everyone is entitled to their opinion, stupid or not. The problem that I have with the people that make inane comments (and I looked back, and you are definitely one of them), is that you seem to have one thought, and one thought only. You fail to acknowledge all the good an organization like PP does just because you don't agree with their decision to assist women with LEGAL abortions. I'm sorry if pointing out your stupidity and inconsistencies offends you, but somebody needs to. Thousands upon thousands of women have been helped by PP....but being too stupid to recognize that fact is a common trait of your element of thinkers. And that is what has gotten virtually everybody on this post, and all over the country, so pissed off. By the way, that was a really ignorant thing to say, but completely expected from someone of your caliber.
If Komen doesn't fund organizations under investigation, why didn't it cut funding to research at Penn State? Penn State is under investigation.
I sure would like to know what makes Planned Parenthood better than Komen in the minds of liberals? Komen is fighting breast cancer, PP is funneling most of their funds towards abortion. They will only pursued young women to abort their babies and give them absolutely no information about how to succeed and have the baby.
Thanks for letting me know how political the Komen Foundation is. Now I know to direct my money to Planned Parenthood Federation who really help women with no strings attached. Who said the internet was worthless? You find out lots of things that isn't on the news.
Kudos for Bloomberg too!!
3thirty3....since when does 3% of their funds constatute 'most'? Not sure where you went to school, but 'most' of their funds would need to be 51% or more. If you had bothered to check, you would know that PP spends 35% of their funds on STD screening, 34% on contraceptives, and 17% on cancer screening. A mere 3% goes towards assisting women with LEGAL abortions, leaving about 10% for admin costs and other services. I know this mean nothing to you, because you only care about the abortion activities and could care less how much good they do for thousands of women, but for intelligent people, it means quite a bit.
'3thirty3' wrote:
REPLY: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a "THREE-FER"! Three false statements in just three sentences. Congratulations, 3thirty3', you're in the lead!!!
I sure would like to know what makes people like you believe that if you repeat a falsehoods frequently enough you make them true?
AG99
Oh, really? When a new rule that is adopted affects one and only one organization (Planned Parenthood), it appears to be very direct targeting. Furthermore, anyone in congress can open an investigation into anything they want for purely political reasons. Good way to shut down funding of organizations that are opposed for purely political reasons. If you can't see the politics in this, then you need your eyes checked.
@Stevefoo, unfortunately for your small-mindedness and one-sided agenda, you can't see because you are so blinded by your hatred.
I give up....there are some really uninformed (I would rather use a much stronger word, but the intelligent people will know what I mean) people in this country, and their posts here are evidence of their complete hatred for pro-choice. They twist facts, or more likely, completely ignore them, and concentrate on the one aspect of a situation that concerns them. They will never learn and it's not worth trying to convince them otherwise. I would like to believe that were I presented with facts, I would be objective enough to not ignore them.
It would be very interesting to know what connections Komen's CEO and Rep. Cliff Stearns have with each other.
Wouldn't be the first time the right has set up this kind of tag-team "gotcha".
Joann....I deal in facts and facts only. I truly don't hate anything but blind ignorance, to which your comments so far pidgenhole you in that category. I implore you to find some facts and report on them in here so that we might see your point better, instead of making such stupid and worthless comments.
@Jo Ann-666954
My advice, stay off the internet. Your posts consist of nothing more than blind rhetoric, mixed with wild @ss claims you've never bothered to fact check. So do us all a big favor and close your mouth, then started looking things up before you post again.
Does this mean that October, my birthday month, won't have those dumb pink ribbons stuck all over it? That in itself is reason to write a check to Planned Parenthood.
Re the planning of parenthood -- it's always touching to see the manly menfolk and their handful of brainwashed heifers come out in droves whenever the subject turns to ladies and their lady parts. Try this one on, Macho Men: Women don't need unplanned pregnancy anymore than they need cancer.
Here in the U. S., which seems to celebrate kicking the weak into the gutter, those sweet little Jesus babies lose all their charm the second they see light and hit the welfare rolls, right, boys? Zip it up and suck it up, and don't forget: Wherever there's a little unborn Jesus baby, one of you @!$%#s was there first.
At the, admittedly left-leaning MSNBC, it looks like the majority see the move by Komen as a political smoke-screen. I agree. They can withhold their support if they want. It's a free country, but there are consequences for any action, and judging by the outrage expressed here, they are on the wrong side of the meat grinder.
Just because a small fraction of the populace is loud doesn't mean they represent anything more than that small fraction, and Komen is finding that out, quickly, and brutally.
It really is a larger statement on the relevance of the GOP among women, I believe. It's a dying party, and good riddance. You just can't de-educate enough people to get them believing the lies that come from the conservatives. That makes me happy. Americans are wiser than I was beginning to believe. Go USA!
Steve... sadly you can't fix stupid. And you can't show a Fox news viewer, a fact and have them recognize it as such. They will attack ACORN which once the investigation was complete, turns out did nothing wrong. Based on a highly edited video intended to shut them down. Same with PP these pseudo investigators produce a highly edited video tape pass it off to Fox who in turn pass it off as factual.
The fact's are PP is audited every year. This one Republican is investigating them, with no cause other than his own personal agenda. And SKF has used that investigation to harm women. I can't stand Bloomberg 90% of the time but I must say the other 10% he does manage to impress me.
RobertinOregon: Actually you are all wrong. Mayor Bloomberg was originally a democrat, then he switched to republican, then he switched to independent. You get to decide which vote he wants to buy next! And about the rapes that occur that you keep mentioning. How many pregnancies occur from rapes and incest? What you are talking about is a small percentage compared to the amount of abortions PP does every year. Maybe you should do your own research before you comment. The reason people have abortions at PP is not because of rape or incest, but because someone's libido got too high and they decided to forego the birth control.
Secondly, everyone knows that Planned Parenthood is the biggest scam coverup of all time. Any other organization "cooking the books" would have been out of business years ago. If the Komen foundation did that, I would see more rage on this site than there is right now. Save your leftist agenda for someone who is actually stupid enough to believe you. The fact is anybody, democrat or republican, has a right to look at anybody's finances. Komen can do whatever they want with their money. It is THEIR money!
And as Joann said:
And I agree. Look at the Hyde Amendment. Everyone knows that amendment isn't govt. wide. And under Obama's healthcare plan, it is possible to escape detection!
Robert in Oregon
I appreciate your posts. Especially the part about "pro-life" including both the born along with the unborn. I suspect a lot of so-called Christians will have some explaining to do when they face God in the judgement and he asks them why they did not heed Matthew 25, why they support wars, why they did not exhibit compassion to the less fortunate, why they shed no tears for the thousands and thousands of innocent victims in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.
A couple of years ago I verbalized similar dismay over the failure of Christians to be truly pro-life and compassionately involved in the lives of the hurting all around them. (So many rich Christians in an age of hunger.) A good elder from a local church carried the conversation from my home to my employer, and I almost lost my job with a very large Christian relief and development agency.
Sigh. I understand Ghandi's lament that he would be tempted to follow Christ if it wasn't for Christians.
SGK's reasoning to halt their funding for PP is a bit of a stretch. It would have been much better if they just came out and said that their mission is to help find a cure to cancer. They are in the business of preserving life, therefore, funding an institution that takes part in the termination of human life in the name of "choice" just doesn't fit with their mission.
As far as Bloomberg saying "Politics" shouldn't play a role in women being able to access health care, I can only say, you have got to be joking. He just assured his re-election as mayor of New York for as long as he breathes (or as long as the city council continues to legislate the extension of term limits).
If I were a Congressman I would launch an investigation of Komen immediately.
Komen would then have to defund themselves ???
I am a cancer survivor who has contributed to SGK in the past, and I and my family have taken part in their walks and events. NO MORE. My support and donation will now go elsewhere. I am even thinking about eliminating pink from my wardrobe....
A big "Thank You" to Mayor Bloomberg.
@Sherrie: All Planned Parenthood needs to do is to seperate themselves into two distinct entities...one that provides abortion services...and one that does not. Among their supporters are many lawyers and accountants that would provide them (free of charge) all the assistance they require in order to make this transition...and then...problem over...whether it is with Komen or the US Government!
....unless of course...they are shifting funds as is claimed by those backing the investigation!
'Unhappy-1583758' wrote:
REPLY: So? I was originally a baby, and then I was a boy, and now I am a man. So what is your point?
You claimed, for your own purposes, that Mr. Bloomberg is a "democrat", and I corrected you. Yes, at one time he was a registered Democrat, ....12 years ago. But how does that make you correct claiming that a man whom has changed his political party affiliation to Republican (and was elected to public office twice as a Republican), and then changed his political party affiliation to Independent (and was elected to public office as an Independent) ...is a Democrat?
Your claim is illogical, and your defense of your claim is just sad. "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!"
Care to substantiate this dumb@ss comment? Or are you yet another sheep blindly following your Senator shepherd and believing that since he began an investigation, that that clearly indicates they are guilty of something? As for claiming 'everyone knows', you're a liar. You're a liar because I don't know any such thing. You neither speak for me, nor anyone else.
So please, leave me and the others out of your lunacy. Stand on your own 2 feet and say "YOU know it's the biggest scam"
I would suggest that instead of saying you know it is a scam - you make the statement true by saying that you believe it is a scam. Since you have no verified facts to back the statement up (since there are no such facts) you can only believe it.
As to the Senator's investigation, way back in September of last year he demanded 20 years of records from Planned Parenthood to be boxed and presented to the government within 2 weeks of his notice of his investigation. They complied with his request and presented the evidence within the two week period. If there were fallacy in the records, they did a heck of a lot of "cooking" in a two week period.
Since that demand there has been no further action on that "investigation". If Planned Parenthood was able to meet the two week deadline, don't you think it would be feasible for the Senator to find some evidence of wrong doing in the 4 months since the receipt of the records???
It does to me, but then that is only my opinion.
AG99
They are under investigation, because this is an election year. This member of congress had to make points, so he could get contributions to for his re-election. He had to make it look like congress was doing something, even though most people know, they aren't.
You people are amazing. If you hear anything that goes against your beliefs then you attack by immediately saying "Fox News".
I don't watch Fox News. I simply was answering the person who questioned ACORN and mammograms. ACORN was doing some shady things, that is a fact. Every major news organizations reported it.
If you want to learn something interesting, take a look at Komen's financials at the close of their last fiscal year:
Revenue- $438,965,760
Cost just to run things:
Administrative Expenses- $159,851,465
Marketing- $83.213,138
Total- $243,064,603 or 57.88% of money spent; so is your money really going where you thought it was? So yes, you are reading it correct, less than half the money you provide goes to actually helping people.
So where does their money go:
Research- $75,301,537 or 17.1%
Treatment Services- $23,251,563 or 5.3%
Health Screening Services- $54,089,036 or 12.3%
Education Services- $181,092,283 or 41.2%
All this, while still being able to invest- $140,833,688
Finally, you don't have to worry about those running this NON-PROFIT organization, Here's some of the salaries being paid:
Total Salary/Benefits Paid by Organization- $50,730,864
DUMP Komen, and don't give your money to any politically driven health charity.
Last time I checked, conservatives and liberals suffer from health issues. I prefer them both to get the health care they need. We can work on what's the best system to do that, but I promise one isn't a charity based on politics.
First - there is no evidence - and has Komen denied - any political influence. They have never been a partisan political organization and have some credibility when they say this is not a political decision.
Second - Planned Parenthood IS one of the most partisan political organizations on the planet. You cannot get any more political than PP. so if you hate politics influencing a charity then you have to detest Planned Parenthood.
Still waiting on that supporting evidence, Jo Ann.
This is for 3thirty3, and others like you. My wife and myself went to Planned Parenthood to confirm her pregnancy, as we were past the normal age for child bearing and being old and old fashioned, did not trust a $2 test strip from the drugstore. Sure enough she was pregnant, and they provided much needed information and referred us to doctors in our area that could help us with any problems that might arise. We now have a healthy, happy eight year old daughter THANKS to Planned Parenthood. You 3thirty3, do not have ANY idea what services Planned Parenthood provides.
Greg, thank you for these interesting facts. I just hope that knowing that Komen's salaries are what they are will open some eyes!
First of all, for those of you crying that PP should separate into 2 entities, one that performs abortions and another that doesn't, that just makes no sense. Because abortions account for only 3% of all services provided by PP, they would not be able to open separate clinics that only perform abortions, as there wouldn't be enough business to keep them opened. The abortion services can be given in the same rooms that other services are given (when I had my tubal ligation it was done in one of the same rooms as an abortion might have been done in). That makes about as much financial sense as asking McDonalds to open separate restaurants just to serve salads (and McDonalds might serve more than 3% salads).
As for the ACORN thing that keeps coming up - the only thing that there was ever evidence of was that several of their canvassers faked voter registration forms in order to get paid (they were paid by the number of completed forms they were able to collect). There was never any evidence of actual voter fraud. This whole thing was blown completely out of preportion by the McCain campaign in an effort to discredit Obama, and clearly, there are still a few people who never actually fact checked to see if the info put out there was actually correct.
There is lots to say about SGK, but the majority of posters on here have already said it - they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars marketing to those of us who are survivors, know survivors or victims, or who just want to see this terrible disease disappear, telling us that the money we raise goes to help underprivileged women get education, exams and toward research. In reality, they spend the majority of the money on huge salaries and admin costs, suing smaller charities and marketing, all the while, bowing to political influence from a few on the far right, instead of listening to those of use who actually contribute to their cause. I have done the race for the cure in the past, but will direct my attention to more deserving charities, such as PP in the future.
Greg - in fairness, do you have info on Planned Parenthood salaries? I am sure they are in line with other SGK and major non-profits.
Some of Planned Parenthood salaries:
The fact is most people doesn't realize how much money Planned Parenthood plans to make off of this. As you can see, none of these people from Planned Parenthood are paid poorly. But somehow you think its more acceptable if the money was going to Planned Parenthood?
So lets look at this, Komen who has done a tremendous amount for breast cancer research, decides to defund PP and now you want to boycott them. Who exactly are you going to hurt by this decision? Plan Parenthood is going to survive with or without Komen. How many women will survive without Komen? B.Garcia, Jesus would say don't kill your unborn
Question: You've gone to Race For the Cure events? Ever notice how well organized they are - how much amenities are included for the comfort and aid of the participants? Did it ever occur to you that to hold events like that nationwide costs a ton of money? Might that be responsible for a lion's share the administration and marketing budget? Did you ever bother to think this through? I am guessing not - you are just responding on an emotional level which means that logic and reason get thrown out the door.
Second - what evidence do you have that the decision of SGK had anything to do with right wing pressure?? I mean real evidence - not the "that must be the reason" conclusion that is polluting this topic.
This whole fiasco should open the eyes of any donors to any charities. One must never take at face value what the charity says. For instance, if you look at Komen's public financial statement brochure (http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/SGKFTC_FY10AnnualReport.pdf) you will see that they claim the generally accepted target of 20% or less for administrative costs of their program with a huge amount that goes to research, education, screening, etc (it's on page 14 of that brochure). However, if you go to their audited financial report where they actually have to break it down by functional area, see page 5 of http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content/AboutUs/Financial/2011%20Komen%20Financial%20Statements%20FINAL(3).pdf
then you will find that all that great expenditure on their support programs go to salaries, benefits and lots of administration.
Very sad that we, the donating public, have to dig that far down (and only when the info is accessible these days) to find out if charities are really charities or are just self-licking ice cream cones.
Komen, sadly, has become one of those regardless as to how it all began. Those administrators (her sister and family) want to live a nice life and that takes a nice salary.
Use this story as a lesson to fully investigate who you give your money to.
WELL, well, well, look who changed their minds.
Hint: It isn't any of the posters on Newsvine.....
"According to Planned Parenthood, its health centers performed more than 4 million breast exams over the past five years,"
And they killed 1.5 million babies developing in their wombs over the past 5 years, like this one.
http://www.12-12-12.org/diaryunbornchild.htm
And those Race For The Cure" events - held nationwide - cost nothing to administer.
FormerMarineSgt, Many women go to planned parenthood because they can't afford the mammograms from any other source.
When I went to www.plannedparenthood.org yesterday and looked under womens health I could find nothing about mammograms other than Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect
patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and
mammograms, it says nothing about doing mammograms themselves.
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Let's see if I can clue you in a little - There's lots of things that they do in regards to cancer screenings short of mammograms + they do referals for women who need them. So what I said is still true.
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Thanks Chris.
I would add to the idiotic comment about 'if Bloomberg can't - why can't SGK?' the following:
SGK trumped up phony reasons for why they removed the grants. They changed thier story repeatedly after being 'caught' in the process.
Yes, SGK can do whatever they want with thier money - they just can't lie, create phony reasons and weasel thier way through it.
AND I have the right to condemn them for being devious liars in the process of what they've done.
Chris from Yucaipa: Please check the link below
http://www.spokesman.com/documents/2009/aug/11/planned-parenthood-audit/
Washington state Department of Social and Health Services report on audit of Planned Parenthood of the Inland Northwest, finding the agency billed Medicaid for an excess of $629,142.
Today the SGK reversed direction and are going to fund Planned Parenting again.
Nothing more to say here. Move along fellow citizens.
Breaking News: SGK reverses decision!
About time people wised up. The far right voices who had driven this decision are not really big contributors anyway and although they may be loud voices, they are but a small minority. It is about time that cooler more sensible minds prevail and start handing more defeats to the radical right. They are free to do what they want with their lives, but they have no business telling others what is ans isn't "morally right" by their standards. Mind your own business and obey the laws. Don't try to change laws or manipulate organizations to suit your "moral code".
The Left wing Mob wins again. SGK will never be allowed to leave the PP "family".
Q22 - yes I have been to race for the cure and I noticed that there are lots of sponsors providing great comforts to the participants. I'm sure that SGK also contributes to that cost, and I have no problem with that. What I so have a problem with is the huge salaries their executives make, the huge amount of money they spend on suing smaller charitable organizations, trying to put them out of business and bowing to political pressure. Yes, I do believe it was political pressure, when top executives are resigning in protest and people from their inner circle are actually saying they changed the rules to target PP. And if it was just because PP is under investigation from one right wing, anti abortion senator (by the way, any senator can open an investigation for any reason), why did they just give a huge grantto the likes of Penn State, who is under investigation for child molestation? I was really disappointed by SGK when I first heard about the amount of money spent on suing small charities and this latest "change in policy" has cemented my anger toward them. There are many other breast cancer (and other types of disease) foundations out there who are much more deserving and do not bow to some right wing hypocrite.
Whats up with all the collapsed comments? If you don't like their view move on. Stop censoring opposing views.
all the bloggers here have missed the point, which is not obvious from the Andrea Mitchell interview... of Andrea Mitchell!!! She does all the talking!!! Good gravy!
The point that Brinker was trying to make is (if she could get a word in edgewise), that all GRANTS must be scrutinized for merit and validity. PP has failed that test and doesn't qualify under the new policy for Komen about handing out grants, much like the federal government does... they just don't hand out $$, the grant proposals are peer-reviewed and go through a triage and scoring process.
The same drivel feeds this blog. Nobody is interested in the truth, just same blah blah yeah for PP and down with Komen... the truth is, $$ is better spent on REAL CANCER RESEARCH rather than PP handing out condoms to poor people. Which is what they do, in addition to birth control, abortion, and oh yeah, breast exams. Good grief. Why not just burn the money? It has nothing to do with defeating cancer, it is all about the uproar and the outcry, cuz that is what stupid pepole do.
I for one don't feel sorry for PP, they are a business, a CASH business, they aren't accepting your credit card or check for your 3rd trimester abortion. They are crooks, and the worst kind of crooks, preying on poor people and scared pregnant people, all in the the name of a buck. Community service my ass. The scam their taxes too, since they don't report all the cash they take in. Figure it out people. PP sucks.
In world war 2, Siemens hired slave Jew labor. But that was long ago. We still buy tons of Siemens stuff, cuz they don't do slave labor anymore.. that makes it all ok.. right? Can't see the forest through the trees, and we all love Planned Parenthood? Screw them I say. Kudos for Komen for finally realizing who they crawled into bed with.
Cool. No evidence that the decision was political. Just what you think.
Also, sponsor donations are still counted as donations to SKG and are still counted on the books.
Third - SGK salaries are in line with other major non-profits. Including Planned Parenthood.
Fourth - Like it or not a brand imagery has to be protected. You think Planned Parenthood would allow a smaller entity to use their imagery without severe legal consequences? SGK has to protect their imagery or else loose control of it. That's just the facts of life.
The SGK brand has been tarnished forever. It will never come back from this and be the hero for women's health, and breast cancer it once was. And to pretend this wasnt political, after Sen David Vitter(the moral majority) came out and took credit, is delisional.
Planned Parenthood's PR machine worked. They are under investigation for wrong doing, and it is their PR machine that will get them out of it, guilty or not. Given the founder of PP's intentions, I see no difference between Planned Parenthood and the Third Reich. Margaret Sanger was just as bat-nutts as Hitler.
Very happy Komen changed their decision.
It was not about the money Planned Parenthood would have los-that was a drop in their bucket. This once again shows that the religous right does not have the power they pretend they have. The next time they say, "We won't support you if you do ..." to an organization, or an elected official, they can use this as a guide yo what will happen and not bow to those who want to turn this country into a Christian version of Sharia law.
I am also amazed at the lack of knowledge dislayed on here. Yes, CEO's of large national non-profits make high salaries. Nothing compared to corporate American-but look at the CEO's of other charities of similar size-they make the same. Also, none of these funds werebeing used for abortions or contraception-they were used for breast cancer screenings. Not one mor bortion took or will take place as a result of this money and not one more condom will be distributed. Period. End of debate.
Greg thank you for your info on Komen...now could you please cite your source your web reference where you took the info from would be nice.
Regarding the Congressional investigation...those who are far left of the whole abortion issue with Planned Parenthood would love for the investigation to rest solely on federal monies going to abortion...according to their own annual report abortion is a very small part of their overall services. But the investigation digs deeper into the services of the organization to some seedy aspect of their operation.
It seeks to find if Planned Parenthood is not reporting instances of crimes against their patients. It seeks to find if they are truly reporting instances of statutory rape ...if they are truly reporting instances of human trafficking and if they are performing any service for minors without consent of parents.
In my opinion it is reasonable for the Congress to investigate when an organization receiving federal funding is not reporting crimes or is covering for organized crime. These are serious charges and of course those in Planned Parenthood are glad to promote the politicized aspects of abortion to reduce the impact of their suspected participation in hiding sexual crimes.
For those so afraid of the truth to need to collapse views they do not agree with ...you can stay a puppet or actually do what Greg did and research to find a reasonable rebuttal.
One thing I believe the Congressional inquiry missed is to explore the federal monies used to lobby for a cause.
What does Planned Parenthood have to do with Acorn....they both are recipients of Tax Dollars that are used for a political agenda. They both use Federal Dollars to support an ugly underworld instead of rising to the occasion to protect those who are in need of their services. Acorn went down because they promoted corruption instead of a reasonable path to support their customer base, Planned Parenthood could go down just as easily if it is proven that they have not reported instances of rape or human trafficking to the proper authorities.
This reversal, while good for Planned Parenthood, which I fully support, makes Nancy Brinker look weak. I, for one, will not EVER give money to her foundation again after this. If she was able to come to such a moronic decision as to cut off PP in the first place without knowing the fierce backlash she would receive, God only knows who else she is trying to fleece. It appears to me this foundation can't be running that efficiently, therefore, I will now donate directly to PP so they can continue to do their good work to help the underserved and vulnerable populations. Her own staff was against this, how dumb could she be to have still made this decision? She's simply doing damage control with her reversal, but that doesn't make her any less a venomous viper to me. Maybe she should stop injecting botox in her face and collagen in her lips and donate THAT to her precious foundation. I'm just sorry I ever donated to the SGK foundation in the first place.
St. Judes and PP will get direct donations from my family from now on.
This reversal, while good for Planned Parenthood, which I fully support, makes Nancy Brinker look weak. I, for one, will not EVER give money to her foundation again after this. If she was able to come to such a moronic decision as to cut off PP in the first place without knowing the fierce backlash she would receive, God only knows who else she is trying to fleece. It appears to me this foundation can't be running that efficiently, therefore, I will now donate directly to PP so they can continue to do their good work to help the underserved and vulnerable populations. Her own staff was against this, how dumb could she be to have still made this decision? She's simply doing damage control with her reversal, but that doesn't make her any less a venomous viper to me. Maybe she should stop injecting botox in her face and collagen in her lips and donate THAT to her precious foundation. I'm just sorry I ever donated to the SGK foundation in the first place.
St. Judes and PP will get direct donations from my family from now on.
Well well, little miss CEO must have had a nightmare last night that she was in danger of her cash cow slipping away.
Let this serve as a call for Karen Handel to resign from Komen.
Funny how you all think SGK has a political agenda (even though there is zero evidence of this and full denials from SGK) but have no problem whatsoever with Planned Parenthood's partisan political activities which are legion. Such hypocrisy.
Until right-wing radical Karen Handel is removed from her position at SKC, I will not even consider donating anything further to the organization. Her narrow-minded uber-partisan blindness what allowed this to happen, and as long as she is associated with SKG, I do not trust anything the organization may say in their cover-their-a** press releases.
LOL... I love this news... LOVE IT
First, the right-wing extremists attack planned parenthood and pressure SGK to stop funding.
Their blatant attack gains recognition and puts PP in the spotlight as a victim of right-wing religious extremism. This causes donations to PP to SURGE.
Then, SGK realizes the negative impact of this public outcry, and reverses their decision.
So, not only have the religious extremists, right-wing fascists, FAILED in their attack, but their actions resulted in MORE money going to PP. Now, PP gets both the SGK donations AND the surge of public donations.
It's like sweet, poetic justice.
So how does that feel, conservatives? How does it feel to know that YOUR actions have directly caused PP to get MORE money? How does it feel to know that your attempt to FORCE your views on society have backfired? How does it feel to know that if you simply did nothing, PP would have less money now... but instead, they now have more money because of you? Does it sting? I bet it does.
LOL
Q22: If you put lipstick on a pig... it is still a pig. Just because SGK denied any political involvement doesn't mean for a second that it wasn't completely politically motivated. If you read deep into this story, it only comes up smelling one way.
Bob,
Just because you read a political motive doesn't make it so. SGK has been completely non partisan and non political through it's entire existence and have some credibility. Planned Parenthood - on the other hand - has been a hyper political outfit from the get-go. So if you want politics out of an organization you had better start with PP. They are the uber-political machine that you are accusing SGK of being.
My feelings exactly Bob....Ms Handel needs to resign. Apparently she can't distinguish between women's health and politics.
Yes - the should bow to left wing political pressure. Hypocrite.
Cannonballer: They don't have the facilities to do mammograms, colonoscopies, etc. there at their offices, so they refer them out to be done by board-certified radiologists, etc. Mammogram machines, etc. are extremely expensive, and they would have to have a board-certified radiologist on staff, another very expensive item. As long as they refer them out and they get done, what's the problem?
As for SGK, you might have changed your mind about funding Planned Parenthood, but I think the damage is already done. You've shown your true colors, and I'm afraid you've lost quite a few of your followers because of it. Sorry.....you goofed!!
Ladies, please note: PP does not do mammograms.
They do not own or operate equipment that does mammograms.
The breast cancer screening PP does is called a clinical breast exam. It is the same exam you perform in your own home, only it is performed by a nurse practitioner or doc in the clinic. Period. The exam is the exact same exam that women are told to do at home. It is absolutely no different.
If PP finds a lump, they will refer you to a location to get a mammogram. That involves making a phone call or writing a script for a mammogram. Period. That's all they do. How does the mammogram get paid for? That's up to you. PP does not, does not, does not pay for mammograms. If the mammogram shows a suspicious lump and you need a biopsy? Paying for that biopsy is up to you. Need an operation to remove the lump? Or chemo? Or radiation? It's all up to you.
I don't care if Komen gives PP money or doesn't give them money. That's up to Komen. And if individuals want to donate to Komen or PP or both or neither, that's totally up to them. All I want to point out is that PP does not do mammos. If you doubt this, call your local PP and pose as a woman who has found a lump in her breast and ask them if they'll pay for the mammo.
And while we're on the topic of women's health, cancer (that's all cancers combined) is the #2 cause of death for women in the US. The #1 cause is heart disease. Ladies, diversify your charitable contributions and learn more about how you can minimze the chances of heart disease.
We now know which organization has political power and uses it effectively. And it ain't SGK.
She should resign if SGK expects any credibility in future.
Individual salaries are only relevant in relation to the percentage of assets spent on administrative costs (I'm not sticking up for the percentage, only the indivudual salaries). These are two huge organizations that require highly-skilled individuals to run them, and their salaries are a pittance compared to those of similar positions in for-profit companies. Listing their salaries without context encourages most readers to compare them with their own salary, instead of comparing them to like positions. While it would be nice to make so much, I suspect that few readers (myself included) possess the skill set necessary.
The bigger concern, and focus of the discussion, remains the politically-tinged grantmaking policy decision and reversal of SGK. Those asking for proof of political involvment need look no further than the resignation of Mollie Williams, Komen's director of community health programs. While the reversal of SGK's decision is welcome news, their failure to acknowlege the mistakes that led them to it represent a continuation of the original dissapointent.
LESSON:
Americans are not going to be bullied by the GOP's obsession with abortion.....and any foolish candidate who is stupid enough to concentrate their campaign on abortion & gay rights proves their inadequacies on GLOBAL issues.
Ok, for all of your non republicans STOP! This is not a republican issue it is an issue of SGK Foundation that put STUPID rules into place. Just as many reps used PP as Dem or Ind. Just because we have a few STUPID politicians don't blame the rest of us. I could shoot back that at least we don't spend 4.5 MILLION of tax payer’s money on a Hawaii vacation! YES we have stupid politicians and so do you. Let's stick to the point. SKG was WRONG. They are trying to change that. But for me??? Nope they do not get any money from me. There are too many other non judgmental originations that deserve my hard earned dollars.
WARNING:
for those of you self-righteous right wingers who are apalled at any funding towards Planned Parenthood...
SHAME ON YOU
You never did your research to see where your money was going when you 1st contributed to SGK.
and
you listened to that nut case Lila Rose with her lying hoax video.....that got your knickers in a twist with her bogus info. Clearly...you were duped.
Hey clumsy, what's it like going though life clumsy, stupid and a tool of Faux News?
Just asking?
LESSON:
Imagined right wing influence will get stomped out by real left wing influence. SGK will never be allowed to leave the Planned Parenthood "Family". Once your in - your in for life. or else....
What I don't understand is why so many people rail Planned Parenthood. Have these folks actually stepped foot in the place? Seriously, for all intents and purposes it's a low cost women's clinic through and through.
I rail at their bullying tactics. Their Mob mentality. Their political arm-twisting. What happened to SGK is what will happen to anyone who gets in their way. They operate like thugs. It tarnishes anything they do for the good.
rightsforall,
The problem is that YOU, and people like YOU, have allowed your party to be taken over by these religious extremists, "STUPID politicians", and right-wing supporters who can not mind their own f***ing business.
Look at what YOUR party has turned into. Look at who YOU have allowed to take over.
You have Republicans debates where the Republican crowd chants "Let him die" when referencing someone who can not afford health care. GOP debates where the Republican crowd "boo's" and mocks a soldier, on live television, who is fighting for our freedom, just because he is gay. A Republican crowd who cheers for executions, instead of respectfully acknowledging that they are a necessary evil. A Republican House that promised to focus on the economy, then immediately... IMMEDIATELY... focused on the abortion-agenda as soon as they were elected. Republican candidates who say that rape-babies need to be taken to term by the mother, forcing women to care for babies they were forced to have. Republican candidates and speakers who say that we need to be a "Christian" nation, forcing religion into government and forcing everyone to follow that religion. Republican candidates who claim that gay teenagers are "barbarians". Republican candidates who are the kings of lobbyists, and support the idea of lobbyist influence in our government. Republicans who want smaller government by pushing more government into our married lives. Republican candidates who do not worry about the poor because they have a safety net, but want to get rid of that safety net. Republicans who complain about entitlements and welfare, but want to ban abortion which would cause entitlements and welfare to increase... they want to increase what they are against.
This is what YOU have allowed to happen. These are the people that YOU have allowed to represent YOUR party.
So don't come on here and complain that the "STUPID" people of your party do not represent the rest of you. YOU have allowed your entire party to be taken over by these "STUPID" people. YOU have quietly sat silent while religious extremists have over-run your party with their fascist-like demands. YOU ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN.
Until the few remaining decent and fair Republicans stand up against these "STUPID" extremists... until the decent Republicans take their party back... the whole party will be associated with the current "STUPID" people who are leading it.
YOU need to show the country that not all Republicans are hateful extremists. YOU need to show the country that not all Republicans want to limit freedoms to certain people. YOU need to show the country that some Republicans can MIND THEIR OWN GOD-D*** BUSINESS, and STAY THE F*** OUT OF OUR LIVES.
Hmm, genius, how about they themselves?
So it doesn't matter if it actually was political or not. SGK believed it was. And they are not the only ones.
There has been more HATE on this site than anything on the right. There is more HATE on display at an Occupy location than at any Tea Party event (plus the Tea Party tidies up after themselves). I want people to mind their own business and stay out of my life - but I have to have a toilet that clogs more than half the time because of the low flow regulations, lights that are dim when I first turn them on and require a haz/mat suit to clean up a broken bulb, I have to pay thousands more for a car because of all the enviro/safety mandates, I have to wear seat belts whether I want to or not, I have to pay more for gas because we won't drill our own oil or import it from our friendly neighbor to the North, can't wear fur, and, worst of all, can't play lawn jarts!! So who, exactly, is meddling into our lives more??
So....Senators put political pressure on SGK because they thought their decision was due to
...wait for it...
political pressure!!!
Love it! Hypocrisy doesn't get any better than this!
Whats up with all the collapsed comments? If you don't like their view move on. Stop censoring opposing views.
Several of my comments have been collapsed. It doesn't surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me when I see the very high salaries of both Komen & Planned Parenthood. The United Way also has high salaries.
But what can taxpayers do about it? Nothing. Our taxpayer money goes to their salaries. The three organizations that I mentioned will deny the case but it's the truth. A lot of loopholes to hide the facts.
Q22,
Are you blind and deaf? Have you not seen the Tea Party and the GOP. All they know is hate. The entire party has been consumed with pure hatred.
You complain about light bulbs being dim, which sounds like a personal issue because I don't deal with that... but you are perfectly fine with the government telling us who we can love?
You complain about "hate" from the people here, but you are perfectly "ok" with YOUR party mocking and "boo'ing" a soldier on national television? A soldier that is fighting for OUR freedom, and the Republican scum actually "boo" him, in front of the ENTIRE F***ING nation. You don't think that is pure hatred? You don't get more evil than that.
You complain about safety regulations that make sure the car you drive does not turn into a flaming ball of fiery death upon a small fender bender... but you support the government telling us what we can do with OUR OWN F***ING BODIES?
You call us hateful, while YOU and YOUR party call gay teenagers "barbarians"? BARBARIANS... really?
You complain about a toilet clogging... AGAIN, personal issue. Mine never clogs, what the F*** is wrong with you? No, that is not a government "meddling" problem, that is a personal problem with YOUR digestive system.
Gas prices are a direct result of speculation, only a complete moron with no business knowledge would think it is because of drilling. Jesus Christ, educate yourself on commodity trading.
So to answer your question, YOU and YOUR party "meddle" more. A few safety regulations to keep your worthless family safe is not the same as YOUR party telling us who to love, who to marry, what to put in our bodies, what to do with our bodies. What other people do is none of your MOTHER F***ING BUSINESS.
Whether the original decision was or was not political, I can see no other answer but that this one certainly was. We have people on both sides, liberals and conservatives, pro-life and pro-choice, Christians and atheists, etc. who have become intolerant. However, I noticed above, practically every post that opposed Planned Parenthood had been collapsed. Despite intolerance on both sides, that speaks volumes of about who is most intolerant. Freedom of speech is for all Americans, not just those we agree with.
The quick reversal of the Komen Foundation is far more troubling to me than their subcontracting cancer screenings to Planed Parenthood, although I personally feel it would have been best or them to have sought out less controversial sources to begin with; and don't tell me they don't exist, they do. But this quick reversal means that Koman is using public opinion and pressure to make decisions rather than carefully considered policies and facts.
I know I have posted this on several different threads, but have yet to receive an answer. What exactly is it that PP does that almost every medical facility in the country doesn't. I don't see this kind of outrage from the pro-lifers at every hospital in America. Abortion is LEGAL. The only answer I can come up with is that apparently, to you, financially challenged women (those who need PP) should have less rights and health services than women who have insurance or have money so that they can get their health services and/or abortions in a regular clinic or hospital? If it's not the financial situation of the woman in need, then why is PP so demonized?
This reminds me of several years ago when the Southern Baptist Convention called for a boycott of Disney World because of the annual "gay day" there (which is an ad hoc event not sponsored by Disney). When, a few months later, a spokeswoman was asked how badly the boycott was affecting attendance, her response was "boycott? What boycott?".
Of course, the newest example of religious terrorism is the call for a boycott against JC Penney by a group called "one millions moms" because that company hired Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson. I have a feeling that JCP won't notice a change in business, eitehr.
...a political cave in...
...just goes to show you what a "little" bit of pressure can do.
Early breast cancer screening is crucial to saving lives.
Putting the abortion issue aside. Doesn't taking oral contraceptives increase the risk of cancer? Seems odd that an organization that supports efforts to find a cure for cancer would support an organization that provides birth control which has been found to elevate the risk of getting cancer.
JC Penney will still get my business as long as they don't cave in to narrow minded religious extremists. Lowe's lost my business because they did.
BRAVO IndieParty!! Wonderfully put. That is the matter in a nutshell. Bravo!!! Have you ever thought of running? You've got my vote.
I noticed you used "religious terrorism" so I guess you won't mind if I use "gay terrorism".
An example of gay terrorism is the call for a boycott against Target and Chick-fil-A. Neither business noticed a change.
Look, it's wrong for anyone to demand a boycott. I wish groups would leave people alone and let them shop wherever they choose to shop.
so slodon asks if Bloomberg can do what he wants with his money why can't SGK?
Well, they CAN but the BACKLASH from the public (you know - the ones who contribute...) is rather pronounced. Notice that there were zero words said about "defundng abortion" in their public statement. To do so would have endangered their TAX EXEMPT STATUS (by making the cut-off a political action)
Bloomberg is under no restrictions of what he can do with HIS OWN MONEY as far as donations
"We the people" can kick the right ass when riled. Usually though, it's only after we,ve tired of kicking each other.
Joanne is absolutely adamant that no TAX PAYER money go towards abortions.
Sounds like a reasonable statement to make, huh?
Think again.
Tax payer money goes towards the taking of millions of lives. Always have. Actual, living, airbreathing lives. Both American citizen's lives and foreign born people's ( including pregnant victims of village bombings and already born "collateral damage" kids) lives. Yet, Joanne would be loathe to eliminate bombings, violent invasions of other countries, deportation of undocumented immigrants ( a death sentence, in many instances) and lethal injections for inmates.
All payed for by TAXPAYERS.
People who are on Joanne's side of this issue have a little valve on their "Right To Life" infrastructure that only let's in abortions to be processed.
I say I'm ok with tax payer money going towards reproductive rights and women's health - I'm a tax payer too. Try and take away my right to say that. Just try.
Have a nice day.
Jo Ann, those citations and peer-reviewed evidence supporting your assertion, please. Feel free to also include how a boycott now somehow equals terrorism...
FormerMarineSgt, stevef00, you are both suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
ANYONE SMART ENOUGH gives RESTRICTED FUNDS.
SHAME on SGK for not doing this with Planned Parenthood
and SHAME ON THE SGK contributors who never research their charities and are now having a hissy fit.
TO HELL WITH THE GOP AND THE RIGHT WING NUTS! Bloomberg did the correct thing and the Conservative Republicans should mind their own business when it comes to abortion. Who the He11 do they think they are. If you want to control peoples lives than move to Iran, Iraq or some other Country run by Mullahs.
I will now cut off my donations to Komen for reversing their decision. Planned Parenthood already gets public money to help run their business along with the public aid that some of its patrons get for going their which then helps them to have a building, place, and means to allows them to murder unborn children. If Planned Parenthood was about saving lives they would spin the abortion clinics they run off and let them be standalone so there wouldn't be any conflict of interest as there is now.
Irony. Supporting wars based on greed and the killing of our soldiers and innocent civillians, based on a lie. Supporting the death penalty. Yet, women have no right to do what they want with THEIR BODIES? I have never heard such twisted crap. You can't have it both ways. Right to life is a freakin joke. The Republicans are a joke and turning into the most evil bunch of people I have ever seen. None of it makes any sense. One thing is for certain. We, the people, can get things done if we make enough noise. That was proven with this whole SGK thing although I will never give to them again.
SGK ..has lost the suport my wife has given it over the years ...her decision is not political it is humanitarian .. from now on she says she will send her few dollars a year to PP
I don't understand this mentality! SGK has one focus - Breast Cancer. They give money to research, education and prevention. PP has a different focus - mostly reproductive choices. Why do you have to chose one over the other? Because if you take this out on the SGK foundation the only ones who get hurt are women with breast cancer. It's not like SGK suddenly decided to change their mission statement to fight against abortion. They are still highly focused on breast cancer research and prevention. Not very controversial and definitely not very political.
For those of you who have decided to cut off SGK from you "donation list" fair enough. There was a time when Untied Way would not support PP....years ago when their mission was clear and their intentions were to serve women in need...I chose to not make the United Way donation, through payroll deduction, and chose to write PP a check instead. I did this for several years until the whole purpose of PP changed into another lobby giant with overpaid administration. At this point we do donate to SGK through school projects, we donate to Texas Children's for their Christmas drive and we donate to MD Anderson. Now we also donate to the Blood Bank but they take it from a vein..I do donate my points back to them but again not cash however does provide to further their purpose.
The point being is all should donate their passion and conscience. None are wrong.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-struggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.TyxFxsVPsTY
So obviously Planned Parenthood doesn’t really matter for low income families or it is NOT doing its job!
Gabriel-1934044, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
I get the feeling all these liberals screaming about how they won't donate to Komen, never gave anything anyway. Talk about losing cite of the issue; we care so much about a woman's right to choose-to-kill that we don't care if cancer kills her - so down with one of the best women's cancer organizations!!!
How can you exclusively bash the CEO when the entire board voted unanimously to cut funding? And financials...doesn't PP CEO makes 2x more than Komen's? - you are really fooling yourself if you don't think all these mega-non-profit organizations aren't pocketing mega profits. And after whining about how Komen let politics affect their decision, I'm sure all the liberal hypocrites are just fine with the fact that thug politics led to the reversal - that's perfectly fine since it is in your favor, right? It sure got awfully quiet...
And on one hand defending PP where abortion makes up only 3% of services, and then turn around and call it the 100% reason Komen was going to cut grants, that logic train really jumps tracks and does a u turn.
Toasty McGrath, I'm just using the same words that another poster wrote. He was the one who used the word "terrorism" so I guess you are going to have to ask him.
You see, I don't use the words he used when trying to talk about an issue. I just wanted people to see how ugly people are when they don't agree with another person.
I don't understand why people can't disagree in a civil manner.
LESSON:
If you are not completely for PP you are a right wing extremist religious fanatic. There is no such thing as neutrality. You are either for PP are you are their sworn enemy and they will CRUSH YOU! SGK's only sin is naively thinking they could quietly bow out of abortion politics. You can't and if you try you will pay!
@wlee-950886
What else do you expect from the lefties here on newsvine. They only believe in free speech if you agree with them.
@IndieParty
Actually,, If it's paid for BY MY TAX DOLLARS, it is my business. Now go wash your mouth out with a bar of soap or grow up you petulant little child.
Ptown27....I agree with you sentiment but I think you are going to get in trouble for it...The far left neglects to see any issue with PP other than their abortion service. That is only 3% of their business plan...so planned parenthood says... But then they seem to offer a much large percentage of pregnancy tests...
Where I think the whole tax money going for abortion is probably a focus for some the idea that they are possibly shielding rapist and human traffickers is a really big deal. If they have been treating minors without parental consent that is a big deal.
Here is some information (Source below) for those who think that abortion is just a 'choice' that women should make without regard to anyone else;
http://www.12-12-12.org/diaryunbornchild.htm
Diary of an unborn child
September 19:
Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I shall love flowers.
October 3:
Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.
October 7:
My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: MAMA.
October 9:
My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire. It will stop, and then I shall die.
October 17:
I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before those little legs will raise me to my mother's arms, before those little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.
October 27:
Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.
November 4:
It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?
November 9:
My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Kathy. I am getting so big already.
November 24:
My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has?
November 27:
I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the World it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, mom!
December 8:
I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the World a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly: tup-tup, tup-tup. You'll have a healthy little daughter, mom!
December 12:
Today my mother killed me.
(Anonymous 1978)
@Sally
I see MANY personal attacks and instances of name calling from the "pro choice" liberal posters with no repurcussions...a suggestion might be to "get busy" and take action in order to retain some semblance of moderating skills...interesting isn't it
Uh, Roy? Fetuses cannot type. There is a not insubstantial chance that what you posted was entirely fictional...
wlee-950886
All the "Collapsed/Deleted" comments are the ones that really tell the truth about the Left/Democrats: Do it our way, or we will collapse/Delete/ or, in other words, just the usual SHOUTING DOWN opposing comments and thought.
This is how the Left is allowed to bastardize the Constitution once again, by eliminating any FREE SPEECH that opposes them, but, does allow for THEM to state their F*&^ed-up ideas that AAmerica should be absolutely the same as the Lennin/Stalin era.
Read some 1920's to 1980's era Russian Politics, and you will see just exactly what the Left/Democrats want to do to our Nation. Search out the ENGLISH version of "Die Welt" as it is published daily in Europe. They express total disgust and fear of the way ObamaGod and the Liberals have eroded our Nation, putting them in Danger.
If you want to see how they, the LEFT/DEMOCRATS, will implement thier "Plan" to ruin America, just vote the Obama regime and the Democrats back into Power in Nov 2012. Then you will see the same thing that happened under Clinton, only much, much faster, there would be no longer any Checks and Balances, only their way, not the peoples, and their way is total Socialism/Communism, and Open Borders for all comers from ALL nations, no passport, no problem, and automatic Citizenship for the Illegal Social Bleeders here already.
Want to see the "Collapse/Delete" button activated VERY FAST? Just watch my post and see just how biased and lethal the Left is by collapsing this post!!!!!
No, lefties, I don't do drugs, anti-depressants, drink, or have a closed mind such as all of you have. I am one of the people you, the LEFT hate, because we real Americans, still believe in free speech, and not being Censored because it Offends your delicate immiture Brains.
I am NOT young, I do believe in America the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I also know that the Constitution cannot be changed by Litigation only, it must be PROPERLY AMENDED as set forth in that wonderful document. Hence, any and ALL Laws that have changed even one word of our Founding Documents are null and void, unless they have gone through the LEGAL AMENDMENT PROCESS. Please remember also, that just because YOUR Teachers didn't tell you, NO STATE LAW CAN OVERPOWER ANY FEDERAL LAW, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT CHANGE, ALTER, VIOLATE, ABRIDGE, OR CHANGE ANY RIGHTS GIVEN SOLELY TO THE STATES CONSTITUTIONALLY.
Example: If California wants a full STATE FUNDED Welfare Society, the Federal Government is not required to equally fund the law. period!!!!!!
However, I have fought for, and nearly died, fighting for the U.S. Constitution, and hence am 100% Disabled by the Veterans Administration due to injuries received doing so. I am no better than anyone else, except that I, and Millions upon Millions more Real Americans support our founding.
Do I feel the Left has a right to their "Opinion?" ASOLUTELY!!!!! Does the Left have the "Right" to change the Constitution without legally amending it? NEVER!!!!! Both sides have the RIGHT to state their opinions and views. Neither side has the RIGHT to CENSORSHIP by "Collapse/Delete".
I will be collapse/deleted very quickly, however, the comments against me because I allow my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and those that disagree with me shall be loud, nasty, ugly, and fully supported by the Leftist Party of Peace and Love. See how far that goes!!!!
#1.120 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM EST
Komen needs to FIRE KAREN HANDEL she is responsible for this whole mess, it was her mission to defund PPH, sorry Karen it backfired, now its time for you to go!
Ray: Looks like you missed your meds today. Your post hints of some sort of grand conspiracy. Take the ideological blinders off and see the light. I am a raging centrist, a flaming moderate, a guy caught between a rock and a hard place. It's all you guys on the extreme fringes (of both parties) that need to come off the ledge and help to reach a consensus. You are the reason this country is broken. Pointing fingers and laying blame yet not doing anything about the problem. You claim to be 100% disabled yet are railing against the so-called socialist government that now has to completely take care of you. Aye carrumba...
Yet again we've got the "right" pressuring and trying to make everyone follow their beliefs, except now it will claim woman's lives. I hope the Komen organization can be proud of their lack of back bone.
I for one will not donate / use / promote / or participate with ANY business / charity or group that decides against woman's issues in this way. Women should have access to health care, ALL HEALTH CARE, not just the type that a certain "group" or "political association" deems "proper". We had come a long way only to now see any and all gains erased by the few against the many. Shame on all of you, and you call yourselves Christians? What would JC do and say about this? Wasn't He associated with the less, the disenfranchised, the poor and the sinners? How dare you decide for the rest?
Never again! I will not remain silent and will use any and all my powers to bring others to my side of the street. We need MORE social services not less..... BOO!
I used Planned Parenthood in college and then I first started working and had no health coverage because they were affordable (you paid based on a sliding scale). One thing I do remember is that they were adamant that you use a reliable form of birth control if you were sexually active. And when will the so called "pro-lifers" (like those of us that are pro-choice are anti-life) wake up and face the fact that making abortion illegal isn't going to stop them from being performed, they will just be done by back-alley butchers with coat hangers.
I can honestly say I will support breast cancer research from organizations not affiliated with SGK from this point forward.
Abortion is not related whatsoever to the issue of breast cancer - the core of the mission of SGK.
Birth control and abortion are not true medical procedures -- they are LIFESTYLE and ethic choices -- as biologically, there is no reason for a medical doctor to prevent the nature, healthy processes in a human body. Birth control and abortion destroy the normal, healthy actions internal to a woman's body.
Big deal. Bloomberg gave a donation. SGK was losing involvement, I one of them, when I learned they gave away money (under the promotion of breast cancer research, etc.) to an organization known to scrape out uteruses and knowingly end developing human lives.
A woman may have the right to do with her own body, AS LONG AS IT IS NOT KILLING THE developing human in her womb. We all know "that mass of cells" is destined to be a human baby -- otherwise why would the baby-hating, liberal woman what to kill it and rid her body of the "problem"!?!?!
I had intended to use the local 'Curves' franchise in the winter months. Then I discovered their grand poo-bahs had ceased donating to SGK. Needless to say, 'Curves' did not get 1 penny from me.
The same will now be true of SGK and any company who donates to or supports SGK. With some, like Yoplait, this will be easy. Others, like Microsoft, present a challenge.
I encourage everyone to google SGK corporate sponsors to how you can effectively protest to them.
"baby-hating, liberal woman" stereotype much?
Stop trying to impose your moral beliefs upon individuals that do not believe abortion is murder.
Here's something for you, StopBS:
Not an accurate statement. Birth control is used for MANY things other than birth control - treatment of PCOS, endometriosis, regulate irregular cycles, severe PMS, etc., etc. After 10 years of using birth control, it reduces the risk of ovarian cancer by 80% and reduces the risk of ovarian cancer by 40% if used for less than 10 years (of course, this has to be done with low estrogen birth control, as high estrogen birth control increases risk of breast cancer - so there is a balance there). It also reduces the risk of endometrial cancer by 50% (endometrial cancer is the #1 gynecological cancer). Abortion is also a medical procedure - one that terminates a pregnancy (and there are a variety of reasons for terminating a pregnancy, some of which include medical necessity).
Furthermore, and more on point with this issue w/ SGK and PP - the monies that SGK provided to PP were for breast cancer screening (NOT birth control or abortion).
Stop the Bullsh1t
You are intentionally and deliberately naive, or perhaps have a simple and trusting view of the world, if you think conservative women do not practice birth control or get abortions. They do what they need to do, just like the rest of us.
Sadly, pressure generated by and from other aspects of their personal lives limits their courage to speak out and defend the very resourses and laws that they access.
Convoluted and self-serving individuals, mostly males with patriarchal philosophies, strive to circumvent personal CHOICE, and there are women who have given up their own voice for reasons only they know.
You have the right of it easydoesit!
Stop the Bullsh1t,
I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that you have also complained about "wellfare moms", bitch about the working poor neglecting their children (usually because both parents are trying to feed and cloth their families), moan about providing healt care for the uninsured, etc, etc, etc.
So which is it going to be: provide the uninsured with the ability to deal with or avoid an unplanned pregnancy or force folks to breed unsustainably large families? Can't have it both ways dude/dudette, whichever your case may be.
By the way spare me your abstinence bullsh!t. Biologiy makes you horny, your brain let's you plan for the consequences thereof.
PS: "baby-hating, liberal woman"? I wasn't aware that PP checked your political afiliation in order to provide you services.
The diff between the wealthy and the poor is the wealthy go over sea's for abortions.
Scorpions Fan,
There's a much bigger issue out there with the anti-choice crowd, much much bigger than back alley abortions. You give up the right to choose, then the government can come in and tell you the choice now is forced abortions for all. Never give up your right to choose. Like your right to choose not to buy a private service from a crooked health insurance company. If I want to self insure myself, then it shouldn't be the government's right to mandate me to purchase it and jail/fine me for making the choice not to. People don't seem to understand the slippery slope that we're going down.
Well with all these new donations to PP,they shouldn't need to get Taxpayer funding ? That be a goal for a PP to be Privately Funded and less on Federal Funds.
JM what a load of garbage "(usually because both parents are trying to feed and cloth their families)" Its obvious you haven't met many welfare recipients, either that or you are one of them. I am not technically supposed to say these things but from my "personal records" I have found these traits to be most common among them, 1 being the most, etc etc.
1. Never finished high school.
2. Became pregnant or having multiple kids while never holding a job or having one of very low income/low hours. (the same applies for men fathering children while never having job/etc.)
3. Never having a job during entire lifespan.
4. Having no spouse or one that does not hold a job.
5. Having a spouse that also never finished high school.
I have also found that usually a person will have a family history of 1 - 2 generations living on welfare.
Bottom line is it is stupidity and laziness that creates welfare slobs, and they just keep on reproducing.
Am I the only one who finds that fact that anyone is discussing the morality of using contraceptives (in 2012) bizarre? Where is the rock that this issue just climbed out from under? Birth control helps to prevent abortion, poverty and child abuse and neglect, not to mention global over population. How can we be talking about this? I made a donation last night to PP (a fraction of a percent of the Mayor's) and will make another one tonight.
The SBK foundation may as well have come out and said, "we hate poor people". What a douche she is.
Bill,
First, I think you missed the crux of my statement which was that you can't have it both ways.
But for the sake of argument, let's say that all of your points are valid. Given that, why are the republicans in congress and conservatives at large so intent on defunding planned parenthood? Even if it's for the abortion issue (which is my understanding comprises less than 3% of PP's "business" and is paid by private funding), shouldn't your ilk be supportive of an organization that lessens the likelihood of more "lazy, stupid, welfare slobs"?
Can I ask you two questions?
1) What is it with conservatives that are so concerned with who, what, when or where other people are f#@king?
2) Where will conservative women go when they screw the pooch and need an abortion?
Years from now, this fiasco will be taught in marketing classes aside the example of the introduction of New Coke. Susan G. Komen Foundation has done irreparable harm to their brand. I was already on the fence about them because so little of their funding actually goes to services. Now, I will be sure never to donate or assist with any of their work again. So, I know there are lots of donors like me who needed just a push to end our affliation with SGK. Bad move.
Bill...you are a truly despicable human being. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Just more Faux lies being spewed. First of all, my husband and I were (temporarily) welfare recipients. We are both not only HS graduates, but have college degrees as well. We both had jobs. We had 4 kids and were living in Chicago. We decided that we wanted to move closer to where our family lived, so we moved. A month after we moved, because we lost healthcare benefits and therefore affordable birth control, we discovered that I was pregnant. While I was pregnant, I lost my job. Shortly after the baby was born my husband lost his. We had no other choice than to apply for welfare. We looked for work the entire time. As soon as we were employed, we stopped stopped receiving the assistance. I have known several people in the same situation. Your stereotyping is not appreciated and it explains alot. I hear this too often from the conservative bunch. You put down those that are receiving "entitlements" because we MUST be lazy, but say nothing when other "conservatives" are receiving them. I LOVE (insert sarcasm) when my "conservative" friends complain about "lazy liberal welfare recipients" then go on later to complain about their unemployment check being late or wondering if they qualify for food stamps. Secondly, for StopBS...I have known 2 women who have admittedly had abortions. Both were Republican and both terminated the pregnancy because they didn't want the inconvenience of having a baby at that time. Perfectly normal, healthy baby/pregnancy, they just didn't want the baby. Please stop spewing your uneducated hate. You, obviously, do not know of what you speak.
Prior the the legalization of abortions, safe abortions, performed by MDs, were available both overseas and in the U. S. -- if you had the cash and the connections. How do I know this? My Republican grandmother, who grew up with money.
So you admit that those pregnancies were normal and was not the result of rape or incest? Kinda fuels the point about providing funding for someone's libido, doesn't it?
ROE vs WADE says it all. It is a womans right. Ask how Netflix made out with all the bad publicity.Donate your money where you want it to go. If Komen losses donation it proves they made a bad decision. Bloomberg proves some of the rich have common sense. PP helps the poor. I am a man who believes in woman rights.
Bravo, Corvair66! We need more guys like you!
Here is the page where you can send email to Yoplait/General Mills to tell them you will no longer buy their products unless they redirect their charitable giving AWAY from SGK: http://generalmills.com/en/ContactUs.aspx
Sherrie, have you seen how many corporate partners Komen has? You're going to boycott them all? Good luck with that...I think I'll wait and see how many withdraw their support first. In the meantime, I'm donating to PP.
Unhappy - your name really says it all about you, doesn't it? If a woman goes to PP for an abortion, she pays for it herself. No taxpayer dollars involved. Get it through your thick head! Tax payer dollars are NOT USED FOR ABORTIONS!!!! Get it?? Get it??
So who pays for the abortions for the "poor", who can't afford an abortion, or apparently a condom which would have kept her away from PP in the first place. I would also like someone to use some facts to back up a previous posters claim that abortions are performed mainly for Rape, incest or bodily harm to the mother. I would stand to guess that the majority of abortions are not meeting either of these three criteria. I am pro-choice, however i do not believe abortion should be used in place of intelligent thinking on the part of both partners involved. A lot of this comes down to simple intelligence and too many times abortion is used to fix the problem after the fact when it should be addressed before a pregnancy develops. Yes biologically, humans have a need to procreate but with all the science and information we now have, to continue playing ignorant for the sake of convienence in removing a "problem" to that person is ignoring the problem all together. Why has the country seemed to give up on educating people in moral standards and instead has simply thrown up their arms and said Abortion is the only option?. Abortions, while necesary, should be partially stigmatized as it is not pleasant for anyone involved and shouldn't be the first option.
Roy goes right for the JUGGLAR AND TELLS THE TRUTH!
SAYS IT ALL!
Great Post!
Roy's post was completely ineffective. Except for dimwits such as you. you guys are in a perpetual circle jerk. lol
solution seems pretty obvious:
Show Karen Handel the door.
Roy, honey, have you ever had an unwanted pregnancy? If you have, then you know that, heart-wrenching as your little essay is, there is much more complexity involved than you want to admit. Good people choose abortion for a variety of compelling reasons. It is never an easy choice and you are wrong to make it seem so. You have no right to judge.
Thank you Roy. That punched me right in the gut. It is sad that everyday this is happening around the world to little Kathy's and Billy's. The many women who have had abortions are probably crying inside everyday to know they killed their child or multiple children because they were thinking of themselves at the time. I have heard their stories. My pregnancy wasn't "planned" either but I "chose" not to kill the baby growing inside me. That was bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh in every sense of the word- how could I keep my child? I'll tell you why, because I wasn't thinking of myself or what other people would say, or how I was going to take care of him. He has not suffered for lack of anything for one day of his life. I brought him into the world and it has been our responsibility to take care of him. We have done that even though we are not rich or have a whole lot of the best of life.
By the way, rape or incest and the subsequent pregnancy isn't "planned" either, but I know a beautiful little girl who is a result of rape and she is precious to her family and friends. She is very loving, kind, and has a bright future. People should stop justifying abortions - murder is wrong, so say it's wrong. Most women who get abortions are not poor anyway. Poor women usually have their children because they either don't want to abort, or don't have the money for it.
Holy - or should I say Holier-than-thou,
I am glad that you are happy with the choice you were able to make. I had an abortion 25 years ago and I am also happy with the choice I was able to make, and grateful to this very day that I was able to do so.
What gives you the right to take away my choice to have or not have a PERFECTLY LEGAL medical procedure? Could it have something to do with your name? I don't think you should be able to foist your religious beliefs on me, or any other woman.
My turn to agree with you Lucky... well said...
Holy, you have your beliefs and are absolutely entitled to them. But, so am I, and I disagree with your views. I spent my fair share marching in the lates 60s, early 70s in support of a woman's choice, and I don't regret 1 step. This was my right, and though think there are cases that abortion is used like personal birth control and find that a disgrace, am glad this is a LEGAL procedure, note the word LEGAL. I recall a time when it was not legal, and also know of many women who were killed, maimed, and disgraced because choice was not legal.
I have said it many times before; when those protesting against abortion, outside the clinics especially, hand a young woman a legally binding, signed contract that they will raise that child to age 18, and take sole custody, do not interfere with my legal rights.
Dom -
The right wing of this country has given up on teaching anything practical at all -- science, ethics, civics, sexuality. This way they can blame the parents, the child -- anyone but the powers that be, like the Texas Textbook Commission, like the harridans that screech if sexuality is mentioned in classrooms.
Abortion is very rarely a "first option." It's failed birth control, or inaccessibility of birth control. (By the way, LOTS of times those condoms you're pushing DON'T WORK) Why stigmatize a woman further when she has made one of the most difficult decisions in her life? Nobody wants abortions. Everybody wants fewer abortions. Even physicians who provide the (perfectly legal) service would be overjoyed if suddenly NOBODY need an abortion. But the fact is, sometimes an abortion is needed. For whatever reason. It's the law. The woman shouldn't have to prove anything -- but now when the states step in, with these new horrible, nightmarish laws that force an already-stressed woman to undergo an ultrasound, be lectured and treated like a criminal, when she is perfectly within her rights to ask for an abortion.
I think it's all about power over women. These radical right-wing authoritarians that are constantly obsessing over refusing a woman's right to choose, even, now, to utilize contraception -- what sick freaky syndrome is that?
Comment # 2.26 deleted. ROY WILSON-336103, don't post a chain letter as your own material.
Block quote, cite, read the CoH.
Well, guys, when a fetal heart starts beating and when its nervous system starts forming have nothing to do with religious beliefs. The fact that even the blastocyst and the embryo have completely different DNA from the mother has nothing to do with anyone's religious or moral beliefs. All of that is pure science. For some reason the science seems to get ignored, however, and the subject gets constantly reframed as one of a woman's choice over her own body. How are cells with different DNA part of the woman's body? Why would a woman object to seeing an US of her own cells before they were removed in a surgical proceedure as would not be uncommon if they were a cyst or something (leaving cost out of the equation)? Why would it be such a difficult choice to get rid of her own cells? Yet everyone knows that abortion is a difficult choice.
I believe the answer is that many people have had abortions. How can you look at the debate objectively if you or someone very close to you has had an abortion? Would you be inclined to call those cells a human being if you had already aborted a bunch of cells just like them at some other point in your life? I doubt it. In the field of psychology the principle of cognitive dissonance refers to the process whereby a person changes their beliefs to fit their behaviors. To me that explains why the abortion debate has become about "a woman's choice over her own body" even though it is clearly not about her own body. You can debate about when that cluster of cells becomes human, but its different DNA shows that it is definitely not part of the woman's body.
I am not trying to judge anyone. I realize that many people who have become pregnant unexpectedly can face a number of hardships-I volunteered for a few years with an organization that helped women in such situations and saw the situations they faced. I have also known a number of women who were healing from emotional pain due to their abortions (an issue that is rarely, if ever, discussed). I am only trying to bring some science and some objectivity into the discussion.
I was reading a hypocritical post above and not to offend and violate our code of honor I thought to respond with a borrowed vignette that speaks to the zombies the sheeple that seek to impose relegulous views over our private rights. I speak as a father of daughters I only seek to maintain what freedoms they have and as a free people should be allowed this is pure cultural wars and mixing of politics not separation of church and state lets get back to our laws. This is my answer to our ever so pious poster that has some secret communication known only to themselves the calling they cannot resist just as the Taliban to impose their will on free people. Here the answer your tyranny of minds.
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.
MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.
PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!
NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.
EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!
Here is some information (Source below) for those who think that abortion is just a 'choice' that women should make without regard to anyone else;
Source http://www.12-12-12.org/diaryunbornchild.htm
Diary of an unborn child
September 19:
Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I shall love flowers.
October 3:
Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.
October 7:
My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: MAMA.
October 9:
My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire. It will stop, and then I shall die.
October 17:
I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before those little legs will raise me to my mother's arms, before those little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.
October 27:
Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.
November 4:
It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?
November 9:
My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Kathy. I am getting so big already.
November 24:
My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has?
November 27:
I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the World it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, mom!
December 8:
I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the World a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly: tup-tup, tup-tup. You'll have a healthy little daughter, mom!
December 12:
Today my mother killed me.
(Anonymous 1978)
Roy Wilson.... That is certainly a moving sentiment. Unfortunately, it is only one made up perspective. There are three choices women have if they become pregnant. They can choose to have a child and raise that child to adulthood....they can choose to take care of their bodies through a pregnancy and delivery to offer their child to parents who cannot have children....or they can choose to terminate a pregnancy. This is America after all...women have the right to hold their own power over their bodies. They have a right to choose and regardless of your sweet/sick pros they do have to live with their decisions.
This is why women must have the opportunity to choose how to live with their own reproductive system. Now having said that I also believe that if a woman has a right to choose she also must have the responsibility to pay for that choice....if it is raising a child....if it is assuring that prenatal care is taken...if it is living with the decision to terminate. See this is something that a man has no scope of experience with because it is doubtful there would be any issue over termination if it were men working through nine months of gestation.
So when it comes to procreation....women hold all the power....her body, her choice.
you sir are one sick mind.. are you telling everyone you never masturbated? take your poem or what ever you call it and go away. Women will not go silent, we will not be made into cattle made to only bear children and we will not tolerate men like you! So already your wasting you precious sperm!
I like the liberal mantra "women have the right" and "don't give up the right"...but yet they don't belive in someones "right to work"...interesting
The Komen foundation didn't promise to fund Planned Parenthood in the future with today's announcement it was only a vague apology for cutting of the funding.
quote-"
the Susan G. Komen foundation just released an "apology" for its decision to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood breast cancer prevention programs. However, Komen is still refusing to commit to future grants to Planned Parenthood, so nothing has really changed.
The right-wing crusade to shut down Planned Parenthood continues unabated. Not only are future grants from Komen not guaranteed, around the country, state governments controlled by Republicans are cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood as part of their war on women.
In order to make sure that Planned Parenthood can continue providing essential health care services for low-income women, including breast cancer screenings and prevention education, we have to give them our direct support.
Please, chip in $5 to Planned Parenthood.
Keep fighting,
Kaili Joy Gray, Daily Kos
unquote.
I will never donate another dollar to Komen because they chose to politicize breast cancer. .
Harry, you are being just a tad disingenuous. You and I both know what "right to work" means. It means that an employer has the right to fire you over anything or nothing and you have no recourse. I know I know ... quick change the subject ........ look over there they are trying to take away our "right to work"!! Get a life and a clue dude.
To view Censorship at it's Socialist/Communist best, open up Comment #1, collapsed "By the Community" to view ALL the opposing comments attached to that one comment. Yep, shout out anything but the Leftist Opinion. Isn't the LEFT wonderful? Agree with us, or we shut you down. Our way or the highway, no discussion. Are comments from the LEFT collapsed? Nope, just the RIGHT, Liberals view of "Free Speech" as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Are all the opposing comments correct? NO!!!! BUT, just as the LEFT, they have the absolute RIGHT to post their view.
Collapse/Delete start now, lefties.....
nice bit of diatribe and drivel TiredVoter...but not a convincing argument , and wrong...most people do good work and have no trouble keeping their jobs , you seem to be projecting your past work experiences , kinda lack luster performance?
txmom32 "...they can choose to take care of their bodies through a pregnancy and delivery to offer their child to parents who cannot have children....or they can choose to terminate a pregnancy."
I'm obviously not a woman, but I know which 'choice' I would make, and not feel that I killed my baby for my own 'convenience', which would haunt my conscience for the rest of my life.
PS - The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, had some rather strange reasons for starting the program;
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
Killed your baby? Do fetus able to think? I don't think so, nor do they feel pain. The diary seems teary, but that is pure fiction since fetus can't think.
You people who hate Middle East and Muslim, yet you are acting like one, subject women to have as little rights so you can follow yours belief. Those conservatives who against abortion, how are you different from Muslim who want to control theirs women? Not much since you guys are the same.
@Ray103,
You might want to understand basic political science before you go spouting off about something that you know nothing about. Communism and socialism are economic theories and makes no statement, positive or negative, about the rights that the citizens enjoy such as free speech. The word the you are looking for is authoritarian and it can apple equally to communism, socialism, democratic, conservative and capitalism. Does the USA PATRIOT ACT mean anything to you because that draconian piece of legislation that was passed and then added to by the Bush43 administration and it negated large portions of our free speech and other rights but evidently you don't think that is possible.
The opposite of authiortarian is civil libertarian, and that ideal is what American liberals endorse, unlike anti-choice social conservatives who want the government to control the private lives of others.
@Unhappy...you obviously did not read my post. I was commenting on the post insinuating that abortion seekers are all liberals. I was stating the opposite. I oppose abortion as a means of birth control. My opinion is that if a pregnancy occurs after consensual sex, abortion should not be the way to go. Unfortunately, if you limit access to only in instances of rape, incest and danger to the mother, you will get alot of false rape charges out there. As a liberal, I do not appreciate the stereotyping that we are all lazy, loose welfare recipients who do nothing but watch tv, eating junkfood (paid with food stamps) and aborting our bastard children...like it's a freaking hobby! I, as a liberal, am not fond of guns. I do, however, realize that it is a Constitutional right for gun ownership. Thousands of people die or are injured from gunshot wounds every year. I understand the conservative position of being pro-life, but isn't it also a right of the mother to be able to terminate her pregnancy? Whether you like it or not, it too is a Constitutional right. You need to stop being so judgemental of these women. Until you have been in her shoes, you have no idea what it's like. If God deems abortion murder, then He will punish these women eternally. It's not for you to decide...only Him.
CuongDNguyen "Killed your baby? Do fetus able to think? I don't think so, nor do they feel pain. The diary seems teary, but that is pure fiction since fetus can't think."
You seem to be very cold and callous, but for someone that 'can't think', a baby certainly seems to be able to learn a language within just a few months, with absolutely no language comprehension to begin with.
Most adults couldn't do nearly as well when it comes to learning a new language, even when they have their native language to use for perspective.
@ROY WILSON-336103
I can't think? It seems that you are the uneducated one who can't even distinguish the different between a fetus and a baby.
You are using your example as a baby who are already born and failed to understand a fetus =/= baby, but forming into one. There are differences, it like you are telling me a chicken egg = a chick.
I know more about what a baby can do than what you said, but again you brought out facts that clearly too advance for you to understand. We all know killing a already born baby = murder, that's a fact. However, against a fetus or forming fetus are different since the nerve network isn't complete, so everything you said doesn't work on fetus.
Again, my point is conservatives are more like Muslim than they think, both are obsessed over the control of women's rights by using their belief. Tell me how are you guys and Muslim different again in this?
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tx mom stop your lying. Your need to turn off Fox News. Your statement doesn't make sense at all Acorn has nothing to do with any of this.
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Not correct.
ACORD was an umbrella organization for numerous social services agencies, a few of which engaged in voter registration every few years. But to ignorant racists it is perceived as AN agency that serves only African-Americans. Their goal in destroying ACORN was to prevvent servvice provisions to African-Americans.
A significant perccentage of anti-abortion zealots -- including Stormfront and other Neo-Nazi organizations -- base their opposition on the paranoia that the white race isn't producing enough babies to offset the birth rates of the races they perceive as being insufficiently white.
And most opponents hide behind a fake, pro-violence -- supports death penalty, and wars, so long as the victims of themm are perceived as being those who are insufficiently white -- "Christianity". Despite the fact that their "God" wrote the Commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," they nonethelless for murdering those who hold idfferrent vviews, or presumably perform aborrtions. That's why the lie that Planned Parenthood clinics, which provide the full array of women's health care services, that instead Planned Parenthood is an "abortion clinic".
I, as a liberal, am not fond of guns. I do, however, realize that it is a Constitutional right for gun ownership
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That's the NRA -- and radical right-wing SC faction's -- lie. The presmise of the Second Amendment was NATIONAL DEFENSE, and the decision to rely for that not on standing army but militia.
The only "individual" right -- "PEOPLE" is PLURAL, as in, "We the people"; it is not, "We the individual," or, "I the people" -- debated concerning that amendment was conscientious exemption from militia duty. The right NOT to bear arms.
See "Creating the Bill of Rights," edited by Helen E. Veit, et al., for the words of those who actually WROTE the amendment.
JN...I agree with you that the Second Amendment is completely outdated and really was meant that people had the right to bear arms in case of war. However, the NRA does like to use it to their benefit whenever we talk gun control. That said, if they want to use the Constitution as a basis for their "rights" be my guest. They then have zero reason, as far as I'm concerned, saying that a woman's right to choose isn't equally as constitutional.
Roy Wislon
Roy...because you are not a woman you really cannot say for sure. Again, you do not and never will have that scope of experience. Not all women desire to have children or carry them in their bellies for nine months. It isn't that it is an inconvenience...for some it could be I suppose..for some it could be health issues for other it could be that they cannot provide for a child and for other still it could be that they are addicted and what they do to their own bodies will affect their fetus to unimaginable heights. There could be any number of very personal reasons.
Because you do not have a uterus you really cannot say for sure what you would do.
I have three beautiful, wonderful and fabulous children. I would give my own life for any of them and I work tirelessly to make sure they grow to be honest and honorable people. I am certainly blessed that my darling dear one and I can offer them a very good life and provide for all needs and some adventures to help them grow. But then again I am fortunate that I have a wonderful partner and we can go together in life. Not all women are so fortunate.
So here is the thing....I am Christian and I am a Conservative. I don't agree with a late term abortion...I believe the standard that are set by the medical industry are reasonable to protect a woman's health both physically and mentally. I believe that a fetus becomes a child when that fetus is given a soul by our creator...I also have no idea when that miracle happens I don't think it is at conception though because many women miscarry in the first trimester. So Mr. Wilson if you can tell me when a child is given a soul I might change my mind. As a Conservative I believe we are all accountable for our actions and the responsibilities of our decisions...this is why I do not believe tax dollars should go to fund abortions or to support massive aid for children with parents. I do not wish to be in anyone's bedroom but I do not wish to support the consequences of their private and personal choices either.
This is why the cut of of funding is an issue and I am not even going to dignify the abortion issue with a response because it propaganda.
To walk into a GYN office for a OV and a PAP its over $200 a pop. Add a mammogram and it can go to $400. I know I see the bills every day from all over the country. Now add to that the millions of women who have no health care in a crap economy. Or young women who are still at home, too old to be on their parent's insurance and experience problems because they have a myriad of other issues. The costs can get astronomical! Or a woman who is hitting menopause, has endometriosis, uterine fibroids, ovarian cysts or abnormal menstral cycles. There are all conditions that strike millions of people that are not related to risky sexual behaviors but can be detected by a exam. Women can to to PP and have that detected, non require abortion, some may require a prescription, minor surgical intervention or even a referral. PP does all of these services.
Now is OK to deny the innocent of these? I challenge someone who has any of these conditions to skip medical treatment and see how they last.
Remember women have the right to chose based on the ruling of the supreme court in Roe V Wade. If you want to flip your nose at that law, we may as well flip our noses at other laws such as your Miranda rights, so you don't have the informed right to shut up when a cop speaks to you MIranda V Az. In our schools, separate is not inherently equal Brown V Bd of Education. Korematsu V US we cannot just throw any person who may be of the same ethnic group as a country we are engaged in an act of war with and toss them in internment camps.
Where is the line drawm?
So Kayless....regarding womens health issues...planned parenthood is not necessarily the only option for women to receive preventative or diagnostic care. Most clinics have options for payment and for those who are low or no income there is medicaid. But honestly a woman knows that she should get an annual pap and should be prudent enough to plan for the expense. Perhaps more women should plan for the priorities in their life. Paying for the goods and services an adult uses is just part of being a responsible adult.
@txmom. Not all private physicians accept Medicaid due to reimbursement rates nor do all Americans qualify for medicaid. To qualify in many states you must be so ridiculously below the poverty level that its hard to qualify. Now are you also saying a person should perhaps not pay rent, feed their kids, have their power turned off so they can pay out $400 for a PAP and Mammogram? Its easy to armchair quarterback someone else's life when one has creature comforts, health insurance and money in the bank. I see these people day in and day out. I see what happens when people do not get care and bad things happen. I have also lived in 3rd world countries where women do not have access to preventive health care and die young. Maybe you would like to volunteer to skip yours and pay for another person's medical care? I have more than once. Compassion, its amazing what happens when you show an ounce or two of it once in a while.
Is an unborn child a bunch of cells or a separate living being? I am a woman. I have had three children. Trust me, those little bodies growing inside me were living beings, not just cells. They kicked and squirmed. They responded to voices and music (and seemed to have different tastes in music before birth). Science has shown they can feel pain long before birth. They were each unique from each other at birth. The cancer I found out about a couple of weeks ago is a bunch of cells. It will not result in new life, but without treatment would result in death. No comparison!!!
CuongDNguyen "@ROY WILSON-336103 It seems that you are the uneducated one who can't even distinguish the different between a fetus and a baby."
I suppose you would also call a child that is a victim of 'partial birth abortion' just a 'fetus' as well, because that's the justification for delivering its head first, sucking out its brain while still alive, and then delivering the rest of the 'fetus' to discard.
A thousand years ago, a man was considered to 'own' his wife and children and could do whatever he wanted with them. A hundred and fifty years ago, a man was considered to 'own' his children and could do whatever he wanted with them. Perhaps in the near future society will decide that a woman does not 'own' her unborn child to do whatever she want with it.
txmom32 " So Mr. Wilson if you can tell me when a child is given a soul I might change my mind."
As a Christian, you might consider that a fetus was considered to be a 'soul', and the death of a fetus, even by accident, warranted the death of the person causing the the fetus to die (soul for soul) - See Exodus 21:22-23.
Cuong, does a fetus feel pain? You might be interested in a scientific opinion.
from ceaccp.oxfordjournals.org in an article about fetal surgery
Kayless... I am not suggesting anyone forgo paying their rent, electricity or feed their children...but I think you and I both know that a woman who wishes to get care can, in the United States. There are any number of charitable health programs that are funded by donations and the benevolence of Dr.s that if someone chooses to find care they can. It isn't as if PP is the only one. Many hospitals in metro areas will also provide care for families in need.
bunnyb7
you don't get to "decide" what the 2nd amendment means...the Supreme Court of the United States gets that honor...and they already decided...nice try though
good to know and good bye bloomberg.
Brilliant. What a good right-wing tool you are...
Not everyone is a right-wing "nut job" who is anti-abortion. What a jerk you are already tossing names at people who have the right to choose to like or not support the mayor of NYC.
Jerk? Seriously? The jerks are the trolls that come on these boards and spew their hate. Few people are "pro-abortion" - your labels are crap.
do you mean tossing names like you just did STB?
"baby-hating, liberal woman" ring a bell, real classy
Leftwing, I love it when people complain about others calling names while doing the exact same thing. brehmy, what exactly do you call aborting a baby, isn't it the same as killing it?
Yeah Blooming Dale is a Pomp Ass Egotistical Idiot.
How's that?
You mean "Pompous"
Stop the B:
"What a jerk you are already tossing names at people who have the right to choose to like or not support the mayor of NYC."
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Wlee
We can call "killing aborting" as long as you insist on calling zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses "babies".
Left Wing Nut Job, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
I guess one way to reduce breast cancer is to abort female babies.
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You people who hate Middle East and Muslim, yet you are acting like one, subject women to have as little rights as possible so you can follow yours belief.
Those conservatives who against abortion, how are you different from Muslim who want to control theirs women? Not much since you guys are acting in the same manners. What next? Women should stay at home and stick to the kitchen like in the past? Muslim will root for you.
Okay...this calling ALL abortions murder has to stop. Would you tell a woman who had to have a medical procedure to terminate her ECTOPIC pregnancy a murderer??? Ectopic pregnancies are quite common and have an almost 0% chance of going full term. Technically, these women are having an abortion. They are removing a fertilized egg from their body. What a woman does with her body is NONE OF ANYBODY'S BUSINESS!!!! If she decides to have a abortion, that is between her and God. God will punish her if He deems it. If He considers it murder, she will spend eternity paying for her crime.Unless you are God, back off already!!!
@bunnyb7
You are talking to deaf ears here, conservatives are just like Muslim, they are using their belief and their religions to control what a women can and can't do. In a sense, they are limited the rights of women just like Muslim. You can think of them as a lite version of Muslim, using religion to justify their actions and from that control others.
Btw, it funny how all the foodstamp or parasites as they say are something they hate, yet they are trying to creating more because w/o abortion, we will see more young single mother.
Conservative only care about fetus, as soon as it takes shape as a baby, they will stop caring and will condemn them and theirs mother as garbages to the society.
I now have the utmost respect and admiration for Michael Bloomberg. WAY TO GO MAYOR!!!!!
Agreed - he is willing to back up his principles with his own money.
The Komen grants supported 4-1/2% of the total number of Planned Parenthood mammograms. It seems obvious that the increase in donations to Planned Parenthood will quickly surpass the drop-in-the-bucket previously received from Komen. Much of it will probably be donations transferred from SGK to PP.
Planned Parenthood is probably better off with funding from unrestricted private donations, rather than money-with-strings from institutions like government or Komen.
mailman , then why are you whining about Komen?
I too agree, shenlee... Kudos for Mayor Bloomberg. If I had 250K, I'd give it to MY favorite charities as well.
What I find most interesting, and hopeful, is that because of the backasswards views of SGK foundation, more and more people wrote, sent emails, and gave hard cash to PP in protest. Add to this the Occupy Wall Street, 99% movement, and I see a definite trend. We are pretty damn tired of being silent, walking around like sheep, and with a perpetual "deer in the headlights" look. We dont like something, we speak up and loudly!! Good!! It's about time the silent majority was no longer silent.
I aqree, Maine. And now that the cat is out of the bag, there is lots more to learn about Komen:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/01/1060885/-Behind-the-Pink-Curtain-Komens-Political-Agenda
It seems that their attack on PP is not their first foray into politicization of women's health. I admit I have not been paying attention to Komen. I think that the source of outrage among women is because we thought they were to be trusted and now we find out they are not.
NHL, people in general didn't pay attention to what Komen was really about, because it was a 'cause' (breast cancer) they believed in. The shame comes from Komen going off the path itself from where it all started, being unbiased no matter what political party, and what the true intentions the Susan G Komen for a Cure was for. They only backed off of what happened today, because they saw their 'profit' walking out the door, period, end stop.
I just put my money where my mouth is! Sorry to my friends doing the SGK walk this year you can count on my moral support but not my financial support - my charitable contribution just went directly to Planned Parent hood.
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I just want to throw in a reminder here that the American Cancer Society is not affiliated with Susan B. Komen. Give your charitable breast care dollars to Planned Parenthood or the American Cancer Society. They have great breast care programs.
Every woman should have the right to breast cancer screenings, not just anti-choice conservative Christian women. Shame on Komen and kudos to Bloomberg.
You're right -- to have access to BREAST screenings...my money and efforts to SGK is for BREAST CANCER issues -- not sanctioning or underwriting other organizations that kill developing humans in the womb...
@Stop, then you must really be ticked that much of your SGK donation does not go towards womens health at all, but to pay their lawyers to intimidate and destroy other competing cancer organizations.
Other than what Cameron Ford posted, I would add that the monies SGK gave to PP were used for BREAST CANCER SCREENINGS.
You won't get Bull to believe that Summer. ALL the money PP ever gets goes to abortion according to most pro-lifers I've ever talked with.
If you read Komen's standards, it clearly states they must cut off donations to any charity under investigation for mis-use of funds. Add to this that the stated mission of Komen is to get women to have regular mammograms, and the fact that Planned parenthood does not do mammograms, is sufficient in it's self. Add to that the fat that Planned parenthood is using federal money to pay for abortions - in direct conflict with the law that says no federal money may be used for abortions, you have a major conflict. The left wing is using this to hurt a charity? How noble of them let's take away the funds that komen uses to help women. Let those women who rely on Komen fend for themselves. how dare they not agree with Pelosi., and that upstanding Boxer.
I SAY WE ABORT STOP THE BS
Wasted tissue if you ask me
I am returning my susan Komen card to BofA as we speak...
Oldman, your defense of SGK would be commendable, if it were not for the fact that they give money to other organizations that are ALSO under investigation. If this is, in fact, "Komen's standards" then why are they not cutting off funding for those organizations as well??? Nice try though...
Stopthebull@!$%#, your name is utterly ironic. Mammograms at a discounted or free price must come from a referral from a clinical breast exam (CBE) that show sufficient evidence she requires a mammogram.
The breast and cervical program I worked for partially funded by Komen and CDC those reasons were, the woman is over the age mammograms would start if she had regular access to health care, is high risk age-it used to be over 50, and/or had symptoms found during a CBE (clinical breast exam) which PPH does do.
Without that referral from PPH that mammogram would never take place. A CBE also takes place during a pap smear that ensures the woman is also not at risk for cervical cancer.
The reason she needs that referral is to save tax payer dollars so before they refer her, they want to be sure she is symptomatic of breast cancer. Unfortunately, clinics often have to enroll in programs to provide these mamms (and follow ups as needed) and are only allocated so many spots for women based on available funds. If these funds disappear from a mandatory referring clinic they won't be able to see as many women to give them free CBE's and subsequently refer her to a mammogram.
These follow up clinics that provide mamms cannot take them for free without that referral.
Cameron can you supply sources to back up your ridiculous claim?
So far, Komen has identified and filed legal trademark oppositions against more than a hundred of these Mom and Pop charities, including Kites for a Cure, Par for The Cure, Surfing for a Cure and Cupcakes for a Cure--and many of the organizations are too small and underfunded to hold their ground. So, in effect, wlee, Komen is spending millions in legal fees to to keep other people from doing charity work because they use 'CURE.' I guees the band The Cure should sue Komen for infringement rights, eh?
Fantomdog, how about changing the name, that's not exactly stopping them.
First and formost there is no Cure. Cancer is never going to be cured. Cancer is the largest money maker in the world so you can see why they won't "find" a cure anytime soon if there even is one.
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You people who hate Middle East and Muslim, yet you are acting like one, subject women to have as little rights as possible so you can follow yours belief.
Those conservatives who against abortion, how are you different from Muslim who want to control theirs women? Not much since you guys are acting in the same manners.
What next? Women should stay at home and stick to the kitchen like in the past? Muslim will root for you.
SKG should be ashamed of themselves for playing political games with women's health.
Nonsense. SGK remains involved with women's (and mens) breast cancer research and issues.
There's no reason for a breast-cancer foundation to publicly promote themselves as "breast cancer fighters" to actually be funding and supporting abortions serruptitiously.
to Stop the BS: Good heavens. They weren't funding abortions, they were donating to an organization that provides breast screenings and mammograms to low income women. Then they decided to stop. After reading your inane posts, I guess you want women to get pregnant every time they have sex. And then you want to deny health care to these women. I'd be willing to bet you don't want to fund any WIC, welfare, foodstamps, daycare services, or Headstart programs for low income women and children either, do you? All you tea party conservatives who think everyone should have to suck it up and stand on their own two feet. Pregnant with a minimum wage job and one or two at home already. You need to do some serious soul searching, mister. Cause Jesus is not liking what's in your heart.
look you retarded psychopath- planned parenthood can do more than 1 thing at a time (unlike your mind apparently) when i was poor and fresh out of college i found a lump in my underarm and more lumps in my right breast. i went to planned parenthood and had that checked out - at no cost to me. no one had an abortion, in fact the center i went to dosent even perform them at all, what i got was care for what could have been breast cancer. i ended up being fine but where will women like me go now if planned parenthood is gone? thats where the money goes, not abortions or the abortion boogeyman it goes to low income womens healthcare, std testing, cancer screenings , prenatal care routine gyno exams lots things other than your own personal hang up. people like you make me want to abort a million times more fetuses just to piss you off half as bad as you cheese me.
Yeah...Komen gave a whopping 17% of all the donations they received in 2009 to actual breast cancer research... Meanwhile their CEO makes $500,000 per year in annual salary not counting all of her luxury travel, bonuses and golden parachute plus the millions they spend every year on lawsuits against small charities that have the temerity to use the "for the cure" slogan that Komen so carefully trademarked. Some charity you've got there. Komen's really involved in breast cancer research: a whole 17% of their attention goes to it!
I just wonder if all the probably billions of dollars they have made over the years had actually been used to research cancer, shouldnt cancer have been cured by now? I think that most of these "cancer" and "disease" charities are set up by the pharmaceutical companies to keep us sick and the illness "controlled" by their drugs.
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DH-1294801 If they got married before they had three kids to two different baby daddies then maybe they wouldnt need all those social programs. Also what makes you think Komen stopped funding womens cancer screenings? Has it ever occured to you that maybe they just redirected their funds to another charity that offers the same program. Komens a private charity. Their not obligated to do anything. And really? Jesus supports planned parenthood specifically?
aggrevatedofficeworker- You seriously want to kill a million otherwise healthy fetuses who could become real human beings just to anger people who are against abortion? StoptheBS isn't the retarded sociopath. You are. And the fact that that got nine likes doesn't say anything good about the society we live in.
We live in the real world Jonathan, and if the republican party EVER showed any compassion or humanity to people after they are born I might actually feel for them and have some respect. However its past the gestational period, as far as republicans are concerned children are on their own. Don't tell me about adoptions, too many women will have them, abuse and neglect them until they are in and out of the system until they are eight and then the damage is done. Show me how the republicans plan to pick up the slack on the already over taxed system.
Breast screening and mammograms have nothing to do with planning parenthood. Whats up with that donation in the firs place?
I can just see Stop the BS in a number of Scenarios:
McDonalds:
Order Taker: Sir what would you like today?
Stop the BS: Ban Abortions
Order Taker: Sir I don't understand, do you want to order?
Stop the BS: Ban Abortions
Order Taker: Uh OK Will you have Fries with that?
Stop the BS: Save the Unborn!
At the Sports Bar:
Sportsfan: Hey who do you want for the Superbowl?
Stop the BS: Babykillers!
Sportsfan: Uh It is the Giants and the Patriots who are playing....
Stop the BS: Pro-Life is Gods Way!
Sportsfan: Uh God? Well TIm Tebow is out of it
Stop the BS: Abortion is a sin!
Sportsfan: So is Pass Interference
In Bed:
BS Wife: Can we have some nookie?
Stop the BS: No Abortions!
BS Wife: We'll not if you wear that condom
Stop the BS: Protect the Fetus!
BS Wife: Uh Don't have one in there...got rid of it last week at the clinic
Stop the BS: Save the Babies
BS Wife: Well it wasn't yours anyway, thank God for the Pizzaboy
Stop the BS: Roe V Wade must be overturned!
BS Wife: Damn you are clueless, I guess I will get out the Vibratron again
Shel Rama- do some research. You clearly have no clue what Planned Parenthood does.
I think frankly true is retarded...possibly the dumbest post on here.
Here is the problem with the Pro-lifers...as far as they are concerned, even if PP only provided ONE abortion a year, they would still be baby killers. They do not care about any other services that are provided that could save lives, because they are baby killers. There is a reason why PP is the #1 abortion provider in the country...all the other providers have either been murdered or have closed their doors. I have had it with the pro-life hypocrisy. You say you are pro-LIFE, but are for capital punishment. Wouldn't that just be a mid life ABORTION???? You cannot be both pro-life AND be pro death penalty. Hypocrites.
Frankly True- You nailed it. Stop the BS and his ilk are pathologically single minded. It seems like a form of mental illness... I'd actually feel sorry for them if they weren't such freakin hypocrites!
When I see these guys sitting out in front of my local PP with their pictures of fetuses, I have to restrain myself from flipping them the bird.
happy
I will consider the source
And ignore you
molly - you keep saying that all doctors are required to do breast exam when examining patients. You seem to be under the impression that all women go in for regular check ups. I'm not clear why you would think that poor women go in for regular exams. They will, however, go to PP.
traveler what makes you think you are any different then stop? You have an opposing view what makes yours right and his wrong? bunny who says all conservatives favor the death penalty? I have conservative views, don't believe in abortions, but don't believe in denying women the right to choose, it's their decision. Maybe you should think twice before jumping into bed, then you wouldn't have to worry about an abortion.
aggrevatedofficeworker, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
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Wiee...I do not appreciate the inuendo that I am a slut. I am a happily married woman with 5 children. I have had a tubal ligation so I do not have to worry about getting pregnant...it's called being responsible. I have NEVER judged anybody for having an abortion. It's their decision. Not mine. I am talking Pro-life POLITICIANS that are wanting to overturn Roe v Wade, but have no problem with the death penalty, ie Rick Perry and Rick Santorum. What about the Pro-lifers that go around the Country stalking abortion providers, and in many cases murdering them. Pro-life? Hardly. I apologize if it seemed like I was lumping ALL Conservatives in with that bunch. Clearly there are pro-choice conservatives out there, just like there are pro-life liberals.
So many here with the impression that PP is either abortion or birth control. You should all learn the list of services offered first.
I used to go to Planned Parenthood for my annual pap smear. They do alot of WONDERFUL things for women.
You're absolutely right bunny
Indeed. Thank goodness its there for young women and uninsured that otherwise have no other viable option for affordable cancer screenings and other medical services.
I am surprised at Bloomberg's humanity.
I am not surprised by the infiltration of the Reichwing into Komen, and every other private aspect of Americans' lives.
If you read Komen's standards, it clearly states they must cut off donations to any charity under investigation for mis-use of funds. Add to this that the stated mission of Komen is to get women to have regular mammograms, and the fact that Planned parenthood does not do mammograms, is sufficient in it's self. Add to that the fat that Planned parenthood is using federal money to pay for abortions - in direct conflict with the law that says no federal money may be used for abortions, you have a major conflict. The left wing is using this to hurt a charity? How noble of them let's take away the funds that komen uses to help women. Let those women who rely on Komen fend for themselves. how dare they not agree with Pelosi., and that upstanding Boxer.
oldman so why did they donate $7.5 Million to Penn State which is under investigation, as is every grantee partner listed on their site? As well as many of their corporate sponsors?
All under govt investigation.
Abortion in the USA today usually is not the choice of the mother of the aborted child. There are exceptions, of course, but in the greater majority of cases, if the mother is quite young she is dragged to the abortion facility by her mother, grandmother and/or other relatives and they do it primarily to avoid scandal, not for the benefit of the mother. If she is married, her husband often bullies her into it. Yes, even if she in against it. Fairly often, it is the mother of the unborn's father who takes her to the facility. Just whose interest does anyone think SHE is thinking of and guarding ??? When the father browbeats the mother into the procedure or votes with his feet, she is often left with the feeling that she HAS NO OTHER CHOICE. Counceling at the facility is supposed to educate her about ALL her options and put her in touch with those who can and will give her the help she needs. But, most such counceling consists of a high pressure sales job. Abortion makes money---LOTS & LOTS of money. Abortion alternative clinics spend lots of money on those who come to them for help. It is true that in America today there is strong abortion choice. But, the choice is not made by the mother most of the time. It's easy to say that if she doesn't want the abortion, all she has to do is say NO. But, the pressures put on her by persons close to her at the most vulnerable time in her life are extremely coercive.
Hey, oldman young eyes, knock off the repetitive posts. You're pasting in the comment over and over and over.
It's irritating, it's abusive, and it's a violation. Stop it.
Oh my gosh Matilda, what sad cult are you a member of? What a load of brainwashy crud. Being a member of the "liberal elite" as I am, I've known several women over the course of my existence who have had abortions. In every case it was completely their choice. Never a carefree choice, but certainly their choice.
The silence is deafening...
I personally will donate to NEITHER of these groups.
1) If I want to donate for Breast Cancer than I will do it where more than 24% of my money actually goes to research. (Komen's figure is really that low!)
2) I wouldn't donate to planned parenthood EVER. Their own founder was a huge rasicst that wanted to clear the country of inferior people (whom she thought happened to be all darked skinned) - and look at where they put their so called clinics. Have you been in one, seen how they counsel girls and woman? I have and they won't be getting any money from me.
Neverstop, so if the rightwing shouldn't influence them then should the left?
oldman young eyes, you only need to post your comment once. Don't comment spam, please.
Reichwing meqans group wing, so it doesn't make any sense. Look it up.
HShaver...neither does "Compassionate Conservatism."
Look it up.
My humble admiration and respect for Mayor Bloomberg for doing the right thing.
I have to reassess this man. He is to be commended!
I may have to rethink my opinion of him. Whether the donation was politically motivated or not I have to thank him for choosing to side with women's rights. Well done, sir...well done.
Next week Bloomberg will do something the left won't like and then they will go back to hating him again.
How about all of you that support Planned Parenthood just anti up your fair share. Oh that is right. We already are giving federal money.
One can never get enough of hating Bloomberg. He is a rabid, radical leftist who advocates the extreme leftist causes. He even is in complete denial of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and has tried to organize mayors across the country to take away our guns. Why is he so scared of private ownership of any firearm (remember Cambodia)? Many mayors were defeated in 2008 and 2010 when the citizens found out they were part of Bloombergs organization. I will never be surprised at anything this guy comes up with. How did he get his billions? Interesting question. Maybe we should just tax his assets (not his income) at a 99 % level and give it to people who don't work?
He got his money from a Business and stock information service...the best in the financial world. If you took 1 second you could have found out that there is a Bloomberg Financial Terminal on any stock brokers desk.
Oh yea and he was the Republican Nominee every time he won
Frankly True, you are frankly false here. Bloombucks was a lifelong Dem before he ran as a Republican to gain his first term (basically riding on Giuliani's coattails into the Mayor's office). He ran again as a Republican for his second. Then he ran as an independent for his third after manuevering himself around the term limits law that was voted for by the citizens of NYC. The man changes political affiliations more frequently than a supermodel changes clothes at a fashion show. Is he philantrhopic? Yeah. But self-interest is his primary motivation.
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I am so glad this congress is devoting it's time to jobs creation just like they promised in the 2010 election...oh wait...
This is just like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football and Lucy always pulling it away. Why oh why do people think Republicans will change?..They always have and always will be more interested in policing your bedroom than in governing this country.
Not in my name you don't. I'm a life long Republican and pro-choice (sorry Santorum but that rules you out). Been fighting the Bible thumpers ever since they invaded the party 20+ years ago, now they've moved their sights to the Tea Party but that's another discussion.
It has been pointed out many times the irony of the party for less government is at the same time trying to regulate our private lives.
Most Republicans I know agree with me however are too timid to stand up the bullying tactics that the bible thumpers bring to caucuses, county and state conventions. We just have to keep fighting the good fight.
Good for Bloomberg!
They're also trying to police women's uteruses (uteri?).
You got it - hit the nail squarely on the head! Thanks
Good on you, Stu! I am fiercely Independent but have driven away from Republican candidate due to their tendency to cave in under pressure from the Bible thumpers.
It's reassuring to know that life-long Republicans, too, are fighting the good fight.
The problem is that there is no room in the Republican party for people like Bloomberg. Same for a lot of the other moderates. It's all rabid red-meat-eaters like Gingrich now.
It's strange how the party of "no government regulation" is all for regulating people's private lives......
And that's what scares me most about the GOP candidates. Not a one of them will stand up to the party doctrine; they will all bow and scrape to the fringe nut jobs and the rest of us will slowly but surely lose our rights to their brand of moralizing do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do-ism. I wouldn't trust a republican in the oval office if my life depended on it right now and that's sad because I don't entirely disagree with some of them (Newt not included!).
It's fairly obvious the regulations they want made smaller are for home loans, manufacturing and building safety (both online & end user), banking, and oh, can't forget about all those lovely pharmacutical regulations.
And they are VERY sure Americans are all too busy viewing reality TV to know that.
My father is a retired USAF officer and a life-long Republican. I guess some might call him a RINO. He is an OLD SCHOOL Republican, not one of the currently visible rabid social policy Republicans.
When I was almost 16 I got pregnant. My mother who grew up as a Democrat told me I was going to carry the pregnancy to term. My father told me I was going to terminate the pregnancy ... I miscarried at about 6 weeks so there was no need for any decision to be made.
My point is that the REAL Republicans do not blindly follow the party just for party sake. My father has rarely voted a "straight ticket". I am an Independent and I also have rarely voted a straight ticket.
What is this? We can increase pain and suffering far beyond anything we have now by forcing poor women to have even more babies. At the same time we can cut health care for the poor and allow post birth abortions by starvation. THAT is cruel!
Stu the dog the bible thumpers did not invade your party as you say they are AMERICAN citizens with beliefs they hold true. I thought this was America where we are free to believe what we want to. That they are acting politically on their beliefs is their right. You have that right and so do they. If a religious institution builds a hospital or a child adoption agency you can't expect them to violate their beliefs on site. If you try to force them to they will just drop that service to everyone rather than violate their code and more people will suffer. Maybe Catholics should just restrict their services to Catholics and refuse government money. This of course in some areas will lead to no services for some areas since the major hospital in Texarkana Ar. is St Michaels and serves all the Baptists in the east Texas area and western Arkansas area and serves more Baptists than Catholics. So maybe y'all better get busy and raise money to replace those services. I stand with my church in not providing services we consider mortal sins.
LOL now that was funny lone. the church and all their charity. the CATHOLIC church and all their charity. Bwaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Sally, I had to chuckle ....... yeah the Catholic Church. That self same church that protected child abusers, that self same church that won't say a word about that infants that were quietly sent to heaven after having been born to a nun, that self same church that would kick a young woman out of school for being pregnant, but not one word of support or counseling to help her.
I am not just whistling about what I think the Catholic church does. I KNOW, I grew up in the "Church" and I know a lot of things that they would rather others did not know!! Hypocrites all! And yes that child was born and is an adult and I raised her!!!!
""Politics have no place in health care. Breast cancer screening saves lives and hundreds of thousands of women rely on Planned Parenthood for access to care," Bloomberg said in a statement."
What in the world is Obamacare?
Where is the connection? SGK is a charity providing a service. Obamacare deals with insurance. Know of what you are speaking before you post such a statement.
Mighty Mike was referring to Politics.
Obamacare is political.
did you know that obamacare is forcing the Catholic Hospitals to pay for abortions and the pill
Get a life - reveal the facts behind something BEFORE you make an ass of yourself!
No. "Obamacare" is forcing hospitals to provide access to healthcare and saying that ideology cannot stand in the way of that. THAT is what it's doing.
NoMad, thanks for showing your true colors. Go after PP because they help people that may not be as well off as others and throw in Obamacare (I happen to think that is a GREAT name for it, so you righties just keep flinging it around) when it has the same purpose in mind, to ensure that everybody can get proper health care. You people are greedy tools that seemingly enjoy the pain and suffering of others yet act as though abortion is so awful. Yeah, save the unborn, but screw everybody else. Genius.
By the way, tell us all about this forcing hospitals of any ilk, Catholic or otherwise, to do anything.
Catholic Hospitals do not provide abortions OR the pill. My friend is an RN at Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland OR and she pays out of pocket for birth control pills. They are not covered by their Catholic-biased insurance plan.
Why must you blatantly lie?
yes, government is forcing a religion to do something they are against.
a libs view: you can not have religion on government property, but you can have government tell a religion what to do. what bullshyt!
Mikers you are a lost child.
@ skeptical-1619418
You are correct as of now. but the White House scrambled Thursday to explain its requirement that church-affiliated employers cover birth control.
Skeptical, you are misinformed and can't grasp the point made. The Obama administration indeed has cut funding to Catholic hospitals based on the fact liberals know a Catholic organization will not offer or counsel a women to kill her fetus.
Fact. Regardless of the good a Catholic hosptital does for all citizens in the community, Obama's thugs make it fully political by preventing health monies to a hospital because they have the right of assembly to choose not to perform or condone abortions.
@ Mikers
That ideology, is ran by the Catholic Church.
You maybe an atheist so you see no problem, as you have no responsibility but to yourself.
NoMad, you are simply lying. Try telling the truth instead of letting your hate throw lies around. Same for you, Stop.
@ Left Wing Nut Job, BYA
Under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law, most employers and insurance plans will have to cover birth control free of charge as a preventive service for women. The administration had already ruled that churches and houses of worship do not have to follow that requirement, but officials recently announced that many religious-affiliated institutions such as hospitals, colleges and charities must comply.
The ruling only applies to public hospitals and clinics that employ non-Catholics and offer services to the general public. Those are NOT religious institutions.
@ RealAmericansFirst
I guess you would have to take that up with the Church that runs them.
Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre, N.Y., called the birth control coverage requirement "a radical incursion on the part of our government into freedom of conscience." Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh, wrote that "the Obama administration was essentially saying 'to hell with you,' particularly to the Catholic community by dismissing our beliefs, our religious freedom and our freedom of conscience."
"No, there's not a debate. ... We want to work with organizations for the next year to help them deal with the implementation of the policy but the decision has been made, and it was made after careful consideration."Carney responded:
Should non-Catholics working at those institutions be forced to live by the rules of Catholicism? That's not on the employment application.
@ RealAmericansFirst
Does your company that you work for give you rubbers on Fridays, or pass out the pill?
I have not seen any non-Catholics working at the hospital. If they did it was by choice.
SoMad, I guess at your hospital everyone walks around holding crucifixes? How the hell do you know they are all Catholic? Oh wait, you don't.
I actually know a couple of non-Catholics that work at Catholic hospitals. I can't be the only one so there must be more than two of them.
Most insurances are forced to provide viagra for men, why shouldn't they provide contraceptives for women? If a religious hospital is a for profit organization then the church should keep it's religion OUT of the operations of that hospital and it should conform to government regulations as any other for profit business does!
If they dont wont to work at a Catholic Hospital QUIT!!!! it is what it is NORA
Those hospitals that NoMad keeps talking about accept tax dollars. My tax dollars. They are public institutions and accept patients of all faiths or no faith. If they want to forego those tax dollars, they can refuse to offer medical care to their employees, including contraception. I'm not even talking about the ridiculous tax exempt status these religions get.
These religious fundamentalists certainly are doing their best at taking our country back--back to the 19th Century when women were barefoot and pregnant and dying in childbirth.
If the Catholic institution that will be effected by the Obama administration's ruling were not public corporations, then I think we would not be having this discussion but, then again there would also be fewer legal options provided for protection from the wrath of the molested. If they want to be players in the secular, business world, then they should have to play by the same rules as other companies.
I used to work at a Catholic Hospital, so did my husband. Neither of us are Catholic and most of the employees were not Catholic. I had no problem paying for birth control out of my own pocket. I don't see what the problem is there. For the record, giving emergency contraception to a rape victim is NOT an abortion. To deny a victim of rape this service just because it is a Catholic Hospital is only further violating the victim. The Affordable Care Act is NOT forcing ANY hospitals to provide abortions. STOP SPREADING THE LIES!!!!!
government is forcing a religion to do something they are against.
Oh, gee; we can't have that! All religions should be free to practice any and all tenets of their faith. Let's bring back polygamy, slavery, human sacrifice...
Yeah, the regigious right's deadset against Sharia law, but wants to impose their own version on everyone.
Severed Brain aka Head in a Jar,a perfectly fitting discription!
Oh yeah learn how to spell R E L I G I O U S !
NoMad from Hawaii - Let me get this straight, you are against having employers insurance cover birth control; are totally against abortion under all circumstances; and want programs for the poor cut out. You want women to be forced to have children no matter what then you just say well "it's you fault - take care of them?" Typical GOP - why do you hate women so much????
To all you people who say they are forcing religion down our throats, lets see I haven't been forced to say a prayer at any meal I've eaten, been watching football on Sundays no one has forced me into going to church, yep there are other channels on my TV, no they don't have a key to my house, alcohol and tobacco are still being sold, plenty of porno sights, if anything they are killing me with all these negative political ads 365 days a year every year.
Not restoring # 12, political derail.
Gloria
Typical argument losers comeback. You cant argue the point so you bring up a typo (severed head can spell) to cast doubts on someones intellect. What did he (or she) say that wasnt true? Bring a real discussion to the table or dont play.
Good Job Komen institute ....Planned parent hood helps but also hurts ...It enables people to to make bad decisions in life by knowing they can get any help they need without consequence
I come from your perspective. I hate abortion but PP does help a lot of low income people. However the flaw in your argument is that as much as you hate abortions that fact that PP "enables people to make bad decisions" is a constitutional right. Don’t you know what freedom protected under the constitution is!! I don’t like but it’s a right people have. So instead of trying to groups trying to prevent women from their constitutional right, why don’t people like Us that are pro life go after a different strategy. Let us persuade these woman to not have an abortion by creating a comprehensive support system for pregnant women. A program that can allow them to still succeed and have a child, some churches do it but not enough.
Like making abortion illegal is going to stop it. If you don't want to have one that's fine, but you have absolutely no right to tell someone else that they can't. Abortions are a very small part of what Planned Parenthood does (hint, it's in their name).
BINGO! Thanks for your voice!
it enables people to acquire birth control until they are ready to be a responsible parent, or not to breed at all. It enables people with FULL TIME JOBS that provide NO INSURANCE to get basic health care. It enables women with life threatening issues to terminate a pregnancy that they agonize over. How dare you imply that going to Planned Parenthood equals being an irresponsible slut.
So I guess that you're against SGK providing funding for curing breast cancer of people who make bad decisions (e.g., smoking)? #FacePalm
"Good Job Komen institute ....Planned parent hood helps but also hurts ...It enables people to to make bad decisions in life by knowing they can get any help they need without consequence."
Francis946: how on earth does providing basic medical care (NOT ONLY ABORTIONS, ALL YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE WHO KEEP SAYING THIS) to poor and/or uninsured or underinsured woman help them to make "bad decisions"?? Your statment shows just how stupid and short-sighted you are. If PP hadn't been around and available to my youngest sister when she needed diagnosis and treatment for cervical cancer she would have died at a very young age. They were the only medical professionals who would see and treat her. I am proud to be a supporter of PP, I USED to be a supporter of Komen. No more, all the money I used to donate to Komen now goes directly to PP.
Tina --- There are more abortion alternative clinics in the USA than abortion facilities, despite the fact that abortion facilities make BIG BUCK$$$$$ and abortion alterantive clinics spend a lot of money helping the women who come to them for help.
Interestingly enough, when abortions are illegal, there are more of them! I don't know anyone who is pro-abortion but I know many who are pro-choice. It should be the woman's choice - it's her body. The GOP needs to stop hating women and wanting control over their lives. It's sick!
Who cares and why is this news.
because the libs want more free stuff and have someone else pay for it.
why bother to comment then?....BUSTED!!!!
And the "cons" want a new banjo, and some teeth.
See, NoMad has nothing to actually contribute, he just hates people that do not share his view of the world. Even though there are plenty of people that are NOT liberals that support choice, as opposed to dictatorial edicts from the intolerant. Thank, NoMad.
LOLOL Dave!!
Nomad got a real purty mouth ain't he? I bet he can squeal like a pig.
Left wing wrote: "NoMad has nothing to actually contribute, he just hates people that do not share his view of the world"
Really Left Wing? look at the rest of these comments on this thread. Lots of unnecessary slamming of other's beliefs. I personally agree with No Mad. My choice.
Since everyone is preaching choice....let SGK choose who they want to support. If they don't agree with the cause d/t politics, morals, misuse of funds or whatever. i support them. Plenty of free/low income clinics out there that offer these services that are more comprehensive health care and don't have the abortion issue wrapped into this.
If folks want to support PP...go right ahead. It's your choice.
I still wish I had the "choice" to order carmel with my apples at McD's but some health nut decided it was too unhealthy to offer to children. I also wish I didn't have to wear a seatbelt. It should be my choice and it would be only me I'd hurt. Some decisions are made to protect us from ourselves and our "choices" We just have to live with difference of opinion and try to all get along without insulting others.
@newsjunky
NoMad hates all liberal/progressives and all they believe in. Note his comment above, which has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.
I know conservatives who are pro-choice, and liberals who don't believe in abortion.
Severed head, one could say the same about a lot of Liberals on this vine, so why do you pretend to notice only conservatives?
Michael Bloomberg for PRESIDENT!
I'll second that!!
He beats the heck out of what the GOP has running now!
After living with this man as my mayor for the past 10 years (which should have been 8, except for the fact that he used his billions to weasel his way into a third term as mayor despite the fact that there were term limits enacted), the last thing I want to see is nanny-state enthusiast Bloombucks as president.
AP, so you're saying your vote can be bought?
Komen says they don't politicize... That's exactly what they've done. I'm no longer racing for any cure, running in any runs, donating, or sponsoring anyone in any of the above. All donations from this day forward are going directly to Planned Parenthood or a less right-wing cancer group for the great work they do.
I totally agree O'Duff. I really enjoyed the Race each year, but one must stand up for ones principles.
Try Avon Walks as an alternative.
I agree. Not going to support the couple of people who do the walk from my place of business. They may not be doing it this year after this.
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O'Duff, I wasn't aware there were left and right cancer cells, any money going to any organizations that helps in cancer research is ok in my book
Komen is warning that this controversy could distract attention from the struggle against breast cancer? Isn't their chasing small, "mom and pop" charities and filing trademark oppositions against them also distracting from the struggle against breast cancer? I'd be interested in knowing how much of their donated funds have been devoted to their aggressively protecting their ribbon, pink, and "for the cure" trademarks -- funds that could be used for breast cancer awareness and research.
I would have to say though, that they are probably right when they say that this move was not bowing to political pressure. Karen Handel had stated during her gubernatorial campaign in GA that she does not support Planned Parenthood, and some reports have her saying that she wanted to wipe them out. Since Ms. Handel is Komen's senior VP of Public Policy, then it's probably accurate that Komen did not succumb to political pressure -- you can't succumb to an outside force if you've already made the same decision from within.
One figure I saw (from SGK itself) was on the order of $1,000,000/yr. Ironically $300,000/ yr more that they were giving to PP.
I wish I had known someone like Handel was so high up in their organization and felt the way she does about PP. I would never have donated to them in the past! Planned Parenthood brought women out of the dark ages and gave them a chance to get an education and do something with their lives besides being baby making machines. Nothing has helped women more in the last 500 years. They deserve all our help and support!!
One of the best ways to support Planned Parenthood is to vote. Don't let the extreme right wing have control of the White House. You think the attacks are bad now, just let a Republican who has promised to wipe out women's rights into office. We have come to far to take a giant step back with the small minority of voices controlling our lives. I have no beef against religion, I am a preacher's daughter and believe in God, but considering how many babies, women, and children were slaughtered in the Old Testament, I can't believe God would have a problem with abortion. He ordered many of the slaughters himself. In the New Testament, Jesus taught compassion for your fellow man and spread his message with love. He didn't force his beliefs on others through hate and vile attacks. So, right wing, just because you believe abortion is wrong, does not give you the right to decide for my body or my family. You complain about abortions, but bitch when women use contraceptives to stop pregnancy. You complain about paying for welfare babies, yet you want to take away the services that might stop a few of those babies from popping out. You want smaller government, but you want government to step in where it doesn't belong. Your rights end, where mine begin. Unless the vast majority of Americans vote, yes, those who believe that women have the right to choose, these bigots may actually get back into office. The civilized world has moved way past your position and out of the dark ages.
Tired of The Bull, Jesus would be against abortion, first because he wouldn't condone sex before marriage. Yes he would forgive you after you repented, not sure of what slaughters in the New Testament you are talking about
tyry reading it.
Sally , try giving some references, and while you're at it ,try proof reading or is that your normal spelling?
Wlee
Two words: reading comprehension! The slaughters mentioned in Tireds post were from the Old Testament!
Wlee...yes, Jesus would be against abortion, but He would LOVE the mother anyway. He would comfort her, not criticize or ostracize her. Jesus was also a friend to prostitutes. I would have to assume they were unmarried, therefore having sex before marriage.
Let's begin with Jesus' words, as recorded in Matthew 21:31. Keep in mind that
Jesus was addressing the chief religious leaders of His day, namely, the
scribes, the Pharisees, the chief priests, and the elders:
Please refrain from trying to speak for Jesus. I think He can speak for Himself as to what He will or will not find acceptable.
Mayor Bloomberg should be commended for such a noble act. While I don't always agree with him, I respect him greatly for his openmindedness and ethical substance.
Thank you Mayor Bloomberg for you courage and ethical substance.
so abortion is ethical?
Who are you to decide if it is or not NoMad? I certainly don't recall granting you permission to make decisions about what is and isn't ethical for me or anyone else.
3% NoMad, 3%. But don't let facts get in your way. Hey, who cares if women have a place to go that might help them when others won't, when you can bang that drum of intolerance and holier-than-thou spew? Wow.
@ ScorpionsFan,
AVT said ethical substance. I just asked if abortion is ethical.
If it offends you, it must be an ethical problem to you.
@ Left Wing Nut Job,
women should see a doctor.
The people at Planned Parenthood are doctors. The women who go there do not have health insurance, such as college students, full-time workers at crappy jobs, stay-at-home moms, you know, all those undesirables.
@ skeptical-1619418
Funny, I have never called anyone "Undesirable".
I guess if I were told that enough time I would start to believe it.
I believe every American Has a choice to make. The Government is not there to tell me my choice.
The government is not there to take away your choice, either, NoMad.
The government takes away your choice everyday. Look at the food you eat, the toilet that you flush, the gas in your car. the light in your office. the government tells you what choice you have.
I am noticing is that right wingers are using government to take peoples rights away.
Republicans use government to take peoples right like a fascist government.
Democrats use government to give people right and prosper on their own merits.
NoMad feel free to not eat, use the toilet, put gas in your car or turn on your lights if you don't like it. You do have those choices. In the meantime maybe you could make a bit of effort to say something that's actually on the topic and doesn't sound insane. So far you haven't helped your cause with this kind of ludicrous rambling. Yeesh!
NoMad: Abortion is legal. If you think it unethical, then by all means, don't get one.
NoMad from Hawaii,
Yes abortion is ethical. The alternative is to force women into a form of indentured servitude. Ethics: "the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc."
Scorpion you are the bully here not NoMad. Your ethics are not the only belief system. I'm etenally greatful you were not the majority when my deadbeat father walked out on my mother or I wouldn't even be here. My mother did not think of me as a parasite as I have heard some people call little bastards like I was. And for your information I was raised and welcomed in the Catholic church. Not one nun or priest ever called me the names I've heard from supposed liberals on sites like this.
AP, Nomad asked if abortion was ethical, do you have a problem with comprehension?
Bloomberg Donating 250,000 would be comparable to my donating $2.50 as a percentage of wealth. Hello big spender!
So where's your $250,000?
But he did it and didn't have to. Kudos to Bloomberg.
Be Smart, Be Smart!
Look, if a private charity no longer wishes to support Planned Parenthood... so what? I am completely in favor of getting more mammograms for women, but that isn't the only thing Planned Parenthood does, is it? Komen should be allowed to send their money wherever they feel it is best appropriated! This has nothing to do with religion and nothing to do with right or left-- if Komen feels like their money should go elsewhere, it's their decision.
For the record, Bloomberg is worth $20 Billion-- $250,000 is pocket change for him. It's nice that he donated, but it would be ridiculous to see it as anything other than a political move. If he actually cared about Planned Parenthood, covering Komen's $700k/year donation would have been the move to make. He's a businessman and a politician, nothing more... there's nothing wrong with that, but you trolls shouldn't Bloomberg out to be a bigger deal than he really is!
So what? Because SGK is singling out PP, whether for policy or politics.
It's a bad policy, at minimum, to take funding away from organizations if such beneficiaries are being investigated, because it enhances the incentives for investigating (and prolonging the investigation of) such beneficiaries
It has been stated that other SGK beneficiaries who are "under investigation" have not lost their funding. If this is the case, then SGK is further singling out PP.
In any case, altering the policy to limit funding on those organizations that are guilty of misuse of funds--not just investigation for it--is much more sound.
daniel: exactly. They are a private charity and as a private charity are now finding out what happens when you take a far right extremist religious stance against the women of America. A whole lot of people are not going to be donating to them again and are now going to work very, very hard to make sure that any funding coming their way goes to organizations purely concerned with women, not the religious right who want control over women.
5 years from now SGK will be a mere blip on the radar screen. They doomed themselves.
$250,000 is a nice gesture, but I don't think it will cover the costs involved with many teenage girls in America getting knocked up. Maybe abstinence could be taught, morals and consequences of underage pregnancy at public school. Oh, I forgot America rolls out the red carpet called welfare. Never mind.
Why don't you ask Sarah Palin how well that abstinence teaching works?
Sara is just another parent who misplaced their moral compass..... Truth is all of us could use a moral tuneup... myself included.
Maybe you should ask God to stop making sex feel good.
Scorp and skeptical: You goobers didn't even read my comment....... Just named dropped God and Sara to feed the mob.... ridiculous.
I read your comment and read between the lines. You obviously hate sex and hate people who enjoy sex. Bummer for you.
skeptical - I think you might be lacking in the reading between the lines department.
I'm all for the abstinence teaching--along with the proper use of contraceptives.
And unfortunately your logic falls short with the welfare comment because anyone who wants to keep welfare costs manageable would support funding of contraception. Many republicans definitely don't support that.
Abstinence teaching has never worked.
FedUp...I'm guessing you have an older person somewhere who you might talk to about the birds and the bees? Seems you have gotten lost somewhere and think all those teen girls got "knocked up" by themselves--not to mention being a bit confused about "morals" and "welfare" (here's a hint: the fact you aren't a pregnant teenage girl doesn't mean you've earned any of that holier than thou moral superiority you tdisplay.) Aren't you a little young to be "FedUp"? Or do you just sound like a 12 year old boy?
Yeah, I live in Arizona and I see how well teaching abstinence works here....we have an incredibly, shamefully high rate of teen pregnancies AND corresponding school drop out rates. Abstinence is working well here, isn't it???? And go ask ol' Rick Perry how it's working in Texas......NOT!!!
Good for you Mr. Bloomberg, if I lived in NY I'd vote for you. Planned Parenthood has done what politicians can't/won't....they provide reproductive HEALTH CARE of all kinds for any woman who walks through their doors. For many poor, uninsured/underinsured women, it is the only medical care they can get. Isn't it weird...the christian right to lifers sure as hell want those kids to be born but damned if they're cared for after that....they have to fend for themselves!
Nora
abstinence works every time you try it.
What planet are you from? Abstinence as a one-size-fits-all policy has worked just about as well as Nancy Reagan's famous "Just say 'no' to drugs." (i.e. Not in the slightest.) The teen pregnancy rate has been dropping steadily, thanks in a great part to Planned Parenthood and contraceptive education. The teens who are getting pregnant now are the girls whose parents keep them out of Health Class over "moral objections," as well as those whose boyfriends convince them that stopping to put a condom on "ruins the mood." Just remember the famous adage: "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
Pfizer just recalled birth control pills - apparently they don't work either. And kudos on the "if men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacramant." And this issue should not be just about pro-choice/pro-life - this issue should be about PEOPLE - people who cannot afford healthcare and educating people to make choices and what is available to those people.
Sad day for Komen and ALL women and the men they may have in their lives. Looks like the Republicans have tarnished this American Icon too.
There are many Democrats down here that are pro-life. I am so sick of political parties its a classic case of divide and conquer.
Richard: You're a bit confused. This isn't about government...this is an issue about two private charities and whether they are acting int he best interests of women. People are voting with their hearts, minds, donations and everything else they've got to protest the politicalization of women's health issues. Divide and conquer indeed. Abortion is legal, so who exactly is dividing? Its those who insist that the constitution doesn't include women---(Being pro-choice IS not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice means you trust women...not the government...to make this very personal decision for each woman.)
I dispise the term "pro choice". Why don't you complete the term, the women's right to kill her unborn baby. The baby doesn't have a vote in the "choice"
Medman...possibly, the woman who was RAPED didn't choose to become pregnant either. The little girl didn't choose to become pregnant after she was molested. The expectant mother didn't choose to have a life threatening medical problem while she was pregnant. I do not like abortion being used as a method of birth control, but that is not the only reason women have them. Stop accusing ALL of these women of killing their babies because it just isn't true. They have enough to deal with. They don't need this hate you are spewing at them. Until YOU have been in their shoes...keep your judgements to yourself.
Women do not choose to have birth control fail, either. Women do not choose for their fetuses to have conditions that are incompatible with life. I personally know a young woman who got pregnant and was HAPPY to be pregnant - until the 20th week when she found out her fetus had no stomach, no brain apart from half a brain stem, half a kidney ... She couldn't get in to see her OB to discuss the ultrasound results because he kept canceling and she couldn't afford to go over state lines to terminate the pregnancy (she had no health insurance so she was going through the health department and had to get a REFERRAL to terminate at a lower cost). The OB was "pro-life" and even though her DAUGHTER would not live, he wanted to force this young woman to carry the pregnancy to term and feel the kicks KNOWING that it was not a viable baby. He wanted her to go into labor NATURALLY so that she could be forced to WATCH her baby die. To me, that's just SADISTIC.
In addition, the law in that state was a baby had to live for an hour before dying in order to receive a birth certificate. Lily lived for less than 45 minutes. The OB NURSES kept the doctors from going into the room until an hour and one minute after Lily was born - over 15 minutes after she died - so that the baby that this young woman was FORCED to carry just to watch it die would at least have a birth certificate.
AP, so Pro Life means you don't trust the women?
The Komen Foundation is not obligated to donate any money to Planned Parenthood just as you are not obligated to donate to the Komen Foundation.
If you do not like what they are doing, stop donating money to them.
But before you all decide they are abandoning breast wellness, perhaps someone might ask them if and how they plan to support mammograms in the future. Perhaps they have found a more cost effective way to provide the service.
Lots of accusations and finger pointing on all sides and very little conversation.
Given that Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of reproductive services in the US, serving between 3-5 million people per year, Komen would have to be doing something amazing to reach that many people more cost effectively than taking advantage of PP's existing network of 820 clinics across 50 states and DC.
Not only that, but breast cancer death rates are higher among low income population. 75% of Planned Parenthood's clientele are at or below the poverty line, so who better to help reach those people with screening and early detection so that that disparity can be erased?
Lastly, let's not be naive here. With all the fuss about this over the last couple of days, if Komen had a plan in place that would better provide as many women, particularly low income women, with breast screening and mammograms more cost-effectively than PP, you really think they'd keep it a secret?
dew--No they are not obligated to donate to Planned Parenthood any longer--- just as anyone supporting Komen in the past is not obligated to support Komen any longer. That's exactly what's happening. A whole lot of us aren't so naive as you to believe Komen JUST woke up to the fact Planned Parenthood is under attack from right wing extremists. I for one will never support Komen again and will support Planned Parenthood directly now. You bow to the right wing extremists and throw women under the bus, and a whole lot of us will care. (present company excepted obviously).
Agreed. Those of you complaining should donate your money to PP or donate your time to PP.
Of course SGK isn't obliged to give money to Planned Parenthood. I think the point they will finally get is: no one has an obligation to give money to SGK either. I'm gonna miss those pink ribbons.
Seems to me that this PP issue is a perfect example as to what we can all expect should Republicans get in as POTUS. Mitt and Newt said that people need to stop expecting safety nets from government. I suppose this can be translated into women's health providers as well. PP has a place in this US, providing breast health help for those who cannot otherwise afford it. Seems the Repubs would rather say, if you can't afford it, tough luck. Get your affairs in order because govt. isn't going to provide you with help. What nonsense!!
In my opinion, women should be in charge of their own healthcare decisions, and this includes abortions if they feel that's what's in order. It's THEIR bodies, THEY should have control over what the feel must be done. It really pisses me off that some groups would attempt to prevent women from doing what they feel they need to do, with intimidation, threats, etc.
Sad day for ALL women and ALL the others in their lives. Thank the REPUBLICAN PARTY for BULLYING Komen and tarnishing this American ICON forever!
Where does anyone say the Republican Party was involved? Does it just feel good to blurt that unsubstantiated crap out?
Let's see - right wing right to lifer is CEO.... Suddenly they stop funding PP - and claim the witch hunt 'investigation' being staged for Republican publicity in the house of representatives as the reason..
I don't have to be sherlock holmes to put together the connections there.
PC101:
Of all of the clients that enter the abortion clinic, half of them die.
EG: women are not going back to back alleys. Like it or not...the US Supreme Court says women are included in the US Cosntitution's right to privacy clause. That means your Taliban views hold no sway. Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. We don't "do" burquas here.
Bullying? As a woman, I have oftened questionned the disproportionate attention towards this charity. Yes, they have provided great benefit for this worthy cause, however, other charities have suffered. Their aggressive fundraising has drawn donations away from other organizations that are just as worthy. It had become trendy and stylish to support SGK over other organizations. I am hoping that there will be more balance going forward so that other diseases may also pursue a cure just as vigourously.
I'm a woman. Don't speak for me. Planned Parenthood is in the business of killing for money. They have been caught providing faulty birth control in order to increase the number of abortions. Look it up.
Seriously, get a brain. And provide documentation. You are a crazy person.
Veronica13, you are an idiot.
I see people are questioning if the Republican Party had a hand in this. Kohman is a registered Republican as well as the fact that not one Republican has spoken against this move is enough for most people with gray matter to say yes they did.
Teresa and Bonnie,
It is a fact! PP performs abortions! I will give you real life examples of females going into PP and the first thing out of the mouth of PP is "we can abort"! The girl was so devasted she left.
You both don't know what you are talking about. You should do your reseach in your town. Just stand out there and talk to people. Looks like you and all your buddies and the radical liberals above support murder!! Welsome to secularism and narcissism at its best.
PC101 - clearly you can type, so one assumes you can also read...so read before you flap your trap more.
Veronica, do you even listen to what you say?
Let me see if I got this right: PP provides women with placebos so they will go and get pregnant then have them come back to abort because they enjoy killing fetuses.
Did I understand you correctly? 'Cause if that's the case, your tinfoil hat is broken. You need a new one.
You do the research on that JM. Instead of spewing hate, why not investigate it yourself.
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Really? Are you that lost in one sided research that you expect others to find the same results?
The truth is found not in ones imparting their beliefs on others but by earnesty listening to the views of all...
@Veronica13
Look it up? Where.... on the Internet? Hah.
You do know that any crack pot in the world can make up a website and post any nonsense they want on there right? Just because you read something on a fancy looking website does not make it a fact. Just for giggles I looked up the crap you spouted, and it took me to whack job super conservative anti-abortion sites that spout the same crap but provide no proof at all.
Just becasue you can find someone as crazy (and stupid) as yourself who posts exactlly what you WANT to hear on a website does not actually make it fact. Instead of actually looking for proof, your happy to read what you want to hear and look no deeper. Your everything thats wrong with people in America today.
Theres nothing wrong with having a view, no matter how ancient and misguided. However, its not ok to post utter garbage and claim it as fact because some wacko somewhere put it on a website.
EDIT: A side note, the websites I found that mention the nut job conspiracies you point to also post laughably incorrect numbers reguarding Planned Parenthood. They are so wrong in fact, they are simply pulled out of thin air.... and thats where you get your info from? Good job.
First off one person (a congressman or comgresswoman as in single) opened an investigation. To my knowledge, they have not convinced a committee to actually do an investigation as in hearing witnesses, etc. therefore I question that there is really a congressional investigation underway. Secondly, not all congressional investigations result in finding anything wrong. Thirdly, many are political hack jobs - ala the McCarthy investigations of the 50's. Therefore, I strongly believe this was a "political" decision.
Secondly, at the age of 28 with a wife of 26 we lost our third child to an aggressive form of leukemia in 3 weeks time. My wife was 5 months pregnant with our fourth child at the time. I was extremely fearfully she could be damaging not only her health but also the baby via sleeping on chairs in the hospital, etc. I learned very quickly the dedication a mother has to ALL their children. For me to assume I can fully understand how a mother (or a pregnant woman) thinks about bringing a child into the world is pretty arrogant. Such decisions must be kept between that person and their religious beliefs and next between themselves and those extremely close to them. We; as a society, have no business getting into this and our constant attempts to do so are bringing us down as a country.
No, I am not for abortions at will. I am for the mother to be given as much counselling as possible, medical assistance where possible, being made aware of future adoption options, etc. However, the final decision is theirs. I am pro-life. Just not relating to pregnancy, but also taking care of those already born, abuse of unsuspecting children, people being sent off to unnecessary wars, etc. Women getting buthered in back alley abortion clinics because that is all that is available in Medevial!
rmedlock3 you don't speak for all women. I am a woman and I don't believe in abortion. If you have to say that what you are killing isn't a child to sleep at night thats you not me. The results of human reproduction are human children not some other beings. Abortion is legal murder nothing less and I stand with my church in saying this is an affront to God.
Why does Komen want to give funding to planned parenthood, the Nation's top abortion clinic? CDC study indicates that abortion is a causal factor in mental and physical after effects, including cancer. Women with any intelligence at all, sooner or later regret the murder of their unborn infants in the womb or while being born. DO NOT SUPPORT THE SUSAN KORMEN FOR THE "CURE" SCAMMERS!!!!
John S. where do you get your info from? Instead of calling people names , try responding rationally.
It's good I found out about this reversal before I sent the Komen fund any money.
Please be aware that if you support the Komen Foundation, you are also supporting the butchering of the unborn via Planned Parenthood, who, by the way ONLY provides MANUAL BREAST EXAMS, not mammograms. Manual exams are virtually useless in detecting breast cancer in its early stage. Planned Parenthood bundles its statistics so that it looks like they provide more health care than abortions-the sad truth is that they apply their health care stats to the women who undergo the abortions, by providing "family planning" counseling, and the MANUAL breast exams to those women. When they total it up, see? they can say they have provided two times more health care services than abortions.
BonnieJJJJJJJ, Theresa-289598, you are both suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
To view Censorship at it's Socialist/Communist best, open up Comment #1, collapsed "By the Community" to view ALL the opposing comments attached to that one comment. Yep, shout out anything but the Leftist Opinion. Isn't the LEFT wonderful? Agree with us, or we shut you down. Our way or the highway, no discussion. Are comments from the LEFT collapsed? Nope, just the RIGHT, Liberals view of "Free Speech" as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Are all the opposing comments correct? NO!!!! BUT, just as the LEFT, they have the absolute RIGHT to post their view.
Collapse/Delete start now, lefties.....
Thank you Mr. Bloomberg
Way to buckle under pressure!! Either you take a stand or you are taken over by the stand against you.
Obviously Planned Parenthood doesn't need your money because they have new donations coming out of the woodwork.
Woodwork...isn't that where the rats live?!
Fire Karen Handel now.
I have donated to this charity for many years. With its decision to fund an organization that provides abortons, last year's donation will be my last.
It's too late for a reversal, Komen.
You should have never allowed the religious-right wingnuts to infiltrate Komen.
The pink is already in the trash.
Donations are now going to Planned Parenthood.
That's just fine, Fred. That is your CHOICE.
Unfortunately, women in poverty and/or the marginalized don't have choices. They have health needs just like everyone else but they can't choose to go to clinic A or B or hospital C or D. They rely on organizations who provide, if necessary, free exams, counseling etc.
The American people have spoken. SGK wisely listened.
TomU48...What kind of house do you live in? Rats live in the woodwork in your house? You had better do something about that quickly.
While it may not be to late for Komen, there are others organizations that had a part in this attempted lynching, and as far as I'm concerned they have burned their bridges.
I will now cut off my donations to Komen for reversing their decision. Planned Parenthood already gets public money to help run their business along with the public aid that some of its patrons get for going their which then helps them to have a building, place, and means to allows them to murder unborn children. If Planned Parenthood was about saving lives they would spin the abortion clinics they run off and let them be standalone so there wouldn't be any conflict of interest as there is now.
could be true, you are right on. many will hopefully agree with you, I sure do
Brinker is an ideologue liar.
Komen would do well to rid themselves of her and this problem as millions such a me will never support them again until that happens.